date:20200808

I'm looking forward to it. Tbh I have no excuse to buy - I just got a custom 
and it's perfect! - but I've always wanted a Bombadil with that nifty 
double-tube and didn't have the cash when they were new. Now like those Roadeos 
discussed elsewhere they're not trading hands very often so...I'm in! 

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Re: [RBW] Electrified Rivendells

2020-08-08 Thread maxcr

700C

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on my aspiring Riv-style build?

2020-08-08 Thread Clark Fitzgerald

I think having a comfortable "beater grade" bike that you don't have to
worry about is an excellent idea. You just have to resist the temptation to
swap parts and upgrade! I've never been able to. ;)

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 8:47 AM Ray  wrote:

> @Clark I really appreciate the advice, and having already had several
> bikes come and go that just didn't quite fit the bill, I know you're right.
> I could certainly scrimp and save or add to a bike fund by flipping some
> vintage restorations as another user suggested, to pull the cash together
> for the dream bike. But I guess what I mean when I say that I'm not in a
> position to afford it isn't just that I couldn't get the money but that
> even if I did, there's no way I could bring myself to drive something so
> valuable through the salt and snow on my commutes or lock it up while I
> pick up groceries or go to the bar. I would just worry about it constantly.
> And since I really only have room for one commuter/all 'rounder at the
> moment I think I'm going to keep it something just nice enough that I enjoy
> riding it but not so nice that I'm stressed about it when out of sight.
> Maybe that's the wrong philosophy though? Would love to hear from others
> who do see their Rivs as commuters.
>
> And as for the dynamo wheelset, lol thanks for the offer but I already
> have a hub and light. I just need to get around to lacing it up. Maybe some
> time next week.
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 11:07:15 PM UTC-5 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> It sounds like you're on a budget, and you know what bike you *actually*
>> want. In 2007 I wanted a touring bike, but the Rivendell's seemed too
>> expensive. I've spent thousands of dollars going through 5-7 different
>> bikes and frames, wheeling and dealing, swapping stuff, upgrading
>> components, never really satisfied. Now in 2020, I bought the bike I should
>> have purchased in the first place. I wish that I would've just bit the
>> bullet and bought the right bike in the beginning. That money spent along
>> the way seems like a waste now, but it did help develop my tastes.
>>
>> If you do buy a bike I would get the one that has the most similar sized
>> components and geometry to your dream bike, so that eventually you can just
>> move the parts to a new frame. That's why I still have a very nice 26"
>> handbuilt dynamo wheelset. Wanna buy it? :)
>> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 2:56:11 PM UTC-7 Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> First time poster, but I've been lurking for a few weeks now and really
>>> enjoy seeing the community you have here and all of your beautiful bikes.
>>>
>>> I was hoping to gauge some opinions or get some suggestions from some of
>>> you on a Riv-style build that I am hoping to put together soon.
>>> Unfortunately, I'm not currently in a financial position to own a real
>>> Rivendell, but because I have such an affinity for the style of bikes and
>>> philosophy behind them, I'm planning on building something that can play
>>> the role until the day comes that I can have the real deal.
>>>
>>> Presently, I am choosing between two bikes that are listed for sale in
>>> my area: one is a 1983 Specialized Expedition and the other is a 1992
>>> Bridgestone XO-2.
>>>
>>> In one corner, we have one of the most well-renowned, production touring
>>> bikes ever made, and in the other, a brainchild of the man himself.
>>> Ultimately, I don't feel like I could go wrong with either, but I wanted to
>>> present this to you fine people to see if you have any thoughts or have
>>> experience with either or both of these bikes.
>>>
>>> Because I already have a road bike that I would be more inclined to take
>>> for longer, faster rides, the purpose of this bike would mainly be for
>>> commuting and more leisurely rides around town with my partner. It would be
>>> outfitted with racks, fenders, and a dynamo set up. Also, regardless of
>>> whether I decide to go with the Expedition or not, I am planning on using
>>> some kind of upright or swept-back bars. Basically this:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/35377964@N06/3337138600/in/album-72157614731857771/
>>>
>>> Given that both bikes are my size and both cost around the same price,
>>> my pro/con list looks something like this: for the Expedition, it was not
>>> designed to ridden as more of a hybrid and so might not handle the way I
>>> would like with up-right bars. The XO-2 was, but it doesn't have some of
>>> the feature that I like in the Expedition (internal wiring for the dynamo,
>>> loong chainstays, mid-fork eyelets for the front rack, and of course a
>>> lugged frame without a unicrown fork--looks matter!). For the XO-2, I like
>>> the wider tires even if they are 26'. It might mean going a little slower,
>>> but this bike isn't being built for speed, and the added comfort of the
>>> larger tires would be nice. And then of course, it was actually designed by
>>> Grant Petersen to do the kind of riding that I'm describing. If my goal is

[RBW] Re: CL outting: Bombadil

2020-08-08 Thread ted

Good plan Joe, I believe you will be glad you did. I'm sure pleased with my 
clearcoated 52.

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 7:30:07 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I shall throw this wild assertion out: I'm buying it. Money hasn't 
> actually changed hands yet (this is a 'no PayPal' proposition) but I got 
> the 52cm size confirmed and said "Yeah I'll take it!" Stay tuned for 
> updates as they develop. Or developments as they update, your choice. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on my aspiring Riv-style build?

2020-08-08 Thread Clark Fitzgerald

Shimano DH-3N72 Dynamo, Deore XT rear. Alex rims set up tubeless with
Compass Rat Trap Pass tires. Also a BM taillight and a Schmidt Edelux II
internally wired in a Pass and Stow rack. Everything is 1 year old. Make me
an offer.

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> Which hubs? ;)
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[RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

In looking for Toyo or Waterford Atlantis geometries, I happened upon the 
geometry for the first version of the Clem Smith Jr, which I have.
Geometry-wise it's pretty much the same as the Appaloosa with a couple 
minor differences. 
Pertinents below:
Clem (59cm first version)
HTA/STA - 71.5/71.5
Effective Top Tube - 64cm
Seat Tube - 59cm
Chainstays - 56cm

Appaloosa (60cm - current largest size)
HTA/STA - 72/71/5
Effective Top Tube - 64cm
Seat Tube - 60cm
Chainstays - 53.5cm

This now makes sense as to why my switch to drop bars on the Clem was easy 
and it rides comfortably with wide drops. And it has more tire clearance 
than the Appaloosa. So, Clem it is in the decision whether an Appaloosa 
would be worth the frame swap.
So, I guess now the real question is whether or not I sell my Redwood...
David



On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 12:59:32 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> I've had lofty goals to increase riding while working from home - those 
> were unrealistic with young kids - and I'm now leaning towards one 'nice' 
> bike as an all-rounder. I likely won't be doing road-exclusive rides, so 
> don't really need a 'road' bike, hence the sale of my Roadini.
>
> With a Roadini sale, I'll be left with the following:
> Riv Redwood, 650b'd and fendered - 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/B_yrQRyl3T6/
> Riv Clem Smith Jr., currently w/ drops - 
> https://www.instagram.com/p/B-99voyFx5D/
>
> What I'd really like is a bike that can take 2.1" tires and fenders and be 
> setup comfortably with either drops or albatross bars, and with geometry 
> angles somewhere between the Clem (71.5 hta/sta) and Redwood (73 hta/sta).
>
> I've been very attached to the Redwood, however I've been shifting to the 
> 'bikes are just bikes' attitude and am open to passing it along if need be.
> I say 'nice' as I have a lockup train station bike and a folding bike that 
> I'll be keeping.
>
> I see potential options as:
> 1. Sell Redwood, keep Clem and be okay with current setup
> 2. Sell Clem, keep Redwood and be okay with 47mm tires w/ fenders
> 3. Sell Redwood, sell Clem, buy an Appaloosa
> 4. Sell Redwood, sell Clem, buy a Black Mountain Monstercross
> 5. Ignore this desire and keep both bikes
>
> Note - this is not a feeler for selling either bike - if I sell the 
> Redwood it'll not be a bargain sale.
>
> Thoughts, suggestions, other options? Other options would need to fit 
> ~94pbh.
> Thanks,
> David
>

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[RBW] Re: CL outting: Bombadil

2020-08-08 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

Joe,
Welcome to the club.  I agree that the Bombadil’s fork is as good as any ever 
produced.  
As good as the Hunq is and beloved by many; I strongly prefer the Bombadil.  
That might only be because the 62cm Hunq lent to me for an extended weekend was 
slightly to small for me.  My 64cm Bomb is just that the bomb!  
Probably why I am still hanging onto a 68cm frame and fork also.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan 

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Re: [RBW] Pre-owned Roadeos - expected cost - complete

A similar datapoint. I knew that a 59 Roadeo would be perfect for me. At a time 
when I didn’t need it, a 59 very early Roadeo frameset came up on the list here 
for $1000, and I jumped on it. The seller claimed it had downtube shifter 
bosses but it turned out that what he meant was that it had downtube cable 
stops. For the miscommunication he gave me a discount. 

I proceeded to make room for that Roadeo in my stable. Today it would take a 
lot more than I paid to shake it loose. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: CL outting: Bombadil

APPROVE 

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Re: [RBW] Pre-owned Roadeos - expected cost - complete

2020-08-08 Thread Mike Godwin

Some data points for you:  sold a f/f/hs when I lived in the bay area, a 
59cm, for 1100 or 1200, whatever I paid for it from CL or list member.
Got a 61 cm complete bike locally for $1500 (Rich wheels, ultegra brakes, 
DA bar end shifters, fu -uh-ugly black 105 crank) noodles, Nitto bits. I 
thought it was a real bargain. Traded f/f/hs for 61 cm Atlantis f/f/hs. 

Mike SLO CA (by high or low, sell for same). 

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 5:51:07 PM UTC-7, Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>
> Roger that.  You have first right of refusal!
>
> On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:06 AM Scott Calhoun  > wrote:
>
>> That WTB was mine. No luck yet.
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[RBW] Re: CL outting: Bombadil

I shall throw this wild assertion out: I'm buying it. Money hasn't actually 
changed hands yet (this is a 'no PayPal' proposition) but I got the 52cm size 
confirmed and said "Yeah I'll take it!" Stay tuned for updates as they develop. 
Or developments as they update, your choice. 

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[RBW] Re: CL outting: Bombadil

I’ll throw this out there as a wild assertion without much support. 

The Rivendell Bombadil exhibits the most perfect fork bends of any Rivendell 
model ever. Nobody has a Rivendell with a better looking bend than Bombadil 
owners. Rivendells are consistently “good”. Bombadils are perfect.  

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 55cm or 56cm Heron

2020-08-08 Thread mikel66...@juno.com

i told my friend to post his 54cm Saluki and 55cm Heron Randonneur, both for 
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Re: [RBW] WTB: 55cm or 56cm Heron

2020-08-08 Thread Andrew Huston

Mike I’d be interested in that Saluki if you could pass along contact info. 

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[RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

78mm drop on the Redwood. Works fine with 47mm tires. Likely fine with 42mm 
and 170mm cranks. I wouldn't go with smaller tires than that though.

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5, Andy Beichler wrote:
>
> What is the bottom bracket drop on your Redwood? Was that built before 
> Rivendell started using 80 mm of drop for frames?  I have an 84 Paramount 
> touring with 80mm of drop and have played with the idea of putting 650b on 
> it.  I have never made any moves to make it happen due to the bb drop but 
> if it is the same as a Redwood, I might actually look into it.  
>
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 1:59:32 PM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>>
>> I've had lofty goals to increase riding while working from home - those 
>> were unrealistic with young kids - and I'm now leaning towards one 'nice' 
>> bike as an all-rounder. I likely won't be doing road-exclusive rides, so 
>> don't really need a 'road' bike, hence the sale of my Roadini.
>>
>> With a Roadini sale, I'll be left with the following:
>> Riv Redwood, 650b'd and fendered - 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/B_yrQRyl3T6/
>> Riv Clem Smith Jr., currently w/ drops - 
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/B-99voyFx5D/
>>
>> What I'd really like is a bike that can take 2.1" tires and fenders and 
>> be setup comfortably with either drops or albatross bars, and with geometry 
>> angles somewhere between the Clem (71.5 hta/sta) and Redwood (73 hta/sta).
>>
>> I've been very attached to the Redwood, however I've been shifting to the 
>> 'bikes are just bikes' attitude and am open to passing it along if need be.
>> I say 'nice' as I have a lockup train station bike and a folding bike 
>> that I'll be keeping.
>>
>> I see potential options as:
>> 1. Sell Redwood, keep Clem and be okay with current setup
>> 2. Sell Clem, keep Redwood and be okay with 47mm tires w/ fenders
>> 3. Sell Redwood, sell Clem, buy an Appaloosa
>> 4. Sell Redwood, sell Clem, buy a Black Mountain Monstercross
>> 5. Ignore this desire and keep both bikes
>>
>> Note - this is not a feeler for selling either bike - if I sell the 
>> Redwood it'll not be a bargain sale.
>>
>> Thoughts, suggestions, other options? Other options would need to fit 
>> ~94pbh.
>> Thanks,
>> David
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

Good to know! Thanks!

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 5:50:02 AM UTC-5, brendonoid wrote:
>
> I managed to fit 2.1 knobbies (smart sams) with fenders on a 58cm 
> Appaloosa just to help out here.
>
> On Friday, 7 August 2020 at 02:45:13 UTC+8 Ginz wrote:
>
>> Can the Appaoosa give you 2.1" tires plus fenders?  Or do you need an 
>> Atlantis for that?   The biggest question is can you setup one bike with 
>> both Albatross and drops and be happy? Will have to do the zero CM stem 
>> thing and will you be happy with that?
>>
>> If you can be ok with the 47mm tires, I'd keep the Redwood and get the 
>> bars you like. 
>>
>> Maybe pick the one bike, set it up how you want it and see how long the 
>> honeymoon lasts?  In other words, don't sell unless you've really tested 
>> your decision for a good while.
>> I, too, have a bit of identity crises among my bikes and am trying to 
>> figure it out.
>>
>> Ginz
>>
>> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 1:59:32 PM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>>
>>> I've had lofty goals to increase riding while working from home - those 
>>> were unrealistic with young kids - and I'm now leaning towards one 'nice' 
>>> bike as an all-rounder. I likely won't be doing road-exclusive rides, so 
>>> don't really need a 'road' bike, hence the sale of my Roadini.
>>>
>>> With a Roadini sale, I'll be left with the following:
>>> Riv Redwood, 650b'd and fendered - 
>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/B_yrQRyl3T6/
>>> Riv Clem Smith Jr., currently w/ drops - 
>>> https://www.instagram.com/p/B-99voyFx5D/
>>>
>>> What I'd really like is a bike that can take 2.1" tires and fenders and 
>>> be setup comfortably with either drops or albatross bars, and with geometry 
>>> angles somewhere between the Clem (71.5 hta/sta) and Redwood (73 hta/sta).
>>>
>>> I've been very attached to the Redwood, however I've been shifting to 
>>> the 'bikes are just bikes' attitude and am open to passing it along if need 
>>> be.
>>> I say 'nice' as I have a lockup train station bike and a folding bike 
>>> that I'll be keeping.
>>>
>>> I see potential options as:
>>> 1. Sell Redwood, keep Clem and be okay with current setup
>>> 2. Sell Clem, keep Redwood and be okay with 47mm tires w/ fenders
>>> 3. Sell Redwood, sell Clem, buy an Appaloosa
>>> 4. Sell Redwood, sell Clem, buy a Black Mountain Monstercross
>>> 5. Ignore this desire and keep both bikes
>>>
>>> Note - this is not a feeler for selling either bike - if I sell the 
>>> Redwood it'll not be a bargain sale.
>>>
>>> Thoughts, suggestions, other options? Other options would need to fit 
>>> ~94pbh.
>>> Thanks,
>>> David
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

That might just be the ticket! Anyone have a 66cm Toyo Atlantis?

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 10:20:22 PM UTC-5, Reid Echols wrote:
>
> Keep them all, and buy a 66cm Toyo Atlantis to boot. Or if you want just 
> one, the Atlantis is hard to beat. 
>
> Reid in Austin 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

The Clem certainly is the most versatile and I'd be more inclined to load 
up this one for camping trips vs the Redwood. I have 2.1" Thunderburts 
right now which are a pretty sweet spot, but lots of options.

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:57:22 PM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Those are some excellent examples there, Steve. Thanks for doing the work!
>
> I'm trying to eliminate bikes too. I kind of am, but they seem to be 
> getting replaced with Rivendells. All of the Hillibike variety, which I 
> feel is hard to come by anywhere else. I like the utility and the fun of 
> the Clems. 
>
> With the extra dough from selling the Redwood, you could get a nice passle 
> o' supple rubber:
>  
> 44 Snoqualmie (file tread)
> 55 Antelope (file tread)
> 29 x 2.2" Fleecer Ridge (knobbie)
>
> Or similar from other brands. Get a second wheelset for the Fleecers.
>
> With a slight saddle adjustment, you can get a smidge more seat angle 
> (really such a slight difference between 71.5 and 72 anyway.) Easily 
> handles the 2.1" with fenders, drops. Really a vintage mtb drop bar 
> conversion but way better, with longer stays and more stack. I've never 
> ridden a Redwood, but I have ridden bikes with the same geometry and wheel 
> size. In terms of versatility and fun, super hard to beat a Clem. When the 
> kids are older and you're having a midlife crisis, you can order up a 
> Roadeo.
>
>
> On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 3:13:40 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On 8/7/20 3:03 PM, Jason Fuller wrote: 
>> > While I should take my own advice when I say this, I think the 
>> > difference between 47c and 2.1" is almost all in one's head 
>>
>>
>> The difference between 47 mm ( "47c" is fingernails screeching on a 
>> blackboard) and 2.1" is a whopping 5.3mm.   5.3mm is more than the 
>> difference between a 23mm tire and a 28mm tire; more than the difference 
>> between a 28mm tire and a 32mm tire; more than the difference between a 
>> 38mm tire and a 42mm tire.  Those are non-trivial differences, and are 
>> instantly noticeable when riding.   "Almost all in one's head?"  I doubt 
>> it... 
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> USA 
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: 55cm or 56cm Heron

2020-08-08 Thread Rivcyclist

LBleriot go ahead and go for Mike's friend's rando. Those are typically 
more expensive with all the add ons, and I already have a nice unused set 
of Berthoud bags that I may install on a riv bike I have.  I'm looking to 
spend a little less.  The Denver craigslist lists the heron rando with a 
33" standover which is too tall for me, so I may narrow my search to a 55cm 
touring or a 54cm road.

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> Mike—I bought your Heron Road a few years back. I’d like to be second in 
> line to the OP for your friend’s Heron rando. 
>
> On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 7:29:12 PM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:
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>> My buddy in rhode island has 55cm saluki and heron randonneur for sale 
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[RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

I don't disagree with this in practice - and certainly 47mm is enough for 
trails - so I'm leaning towards trying out some semi-knobby 47mm 650b 
tires. This might be the first step and see which bike I prefer.

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:03:02 PM UTC-5, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> While I should take my own advice when I say this, I think the difference 
> between 47c and 2.1" is almost all in one's head and you'll be able to ride 
> either tire in basically any of the same situations and the bike will do 
> the job.  That Redwood looks great and seems like a perfect all-rounder 
> visually, but I know that for me 73 HTA is getting to be steeper than I 
> like. If it's stable enough for you, I'd continue to rock that, 
> personally.  If you're feeling the want for something more stable, what 
> about the upcoming batch of Hillbornes?  Hopefully they'll be canti, and 
> then you'll be able to fit the 47c and to me, that's a pretty ideal 
> all-rounder size. Among the multitude of great and versatile Rivendells 
> over the years, I struggle to imagine any being more versatile than the 
> Hillborne. 

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[RBW] Re: FS- 2 new Kenda Flintridge PRO 700x45 tubeless ready tires

2020-08-08 Thread Bruce Smitham

Tires are sold 

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 8:16:39 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
> For sale 2 new Kenda Flintridge PRO 700x45 tubeless ready tires. New and 
> never mounted. 
> 
> $75 plus shipping CONUS

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 55cm or 56cm Heron

2020-08-08 Thread LBleriot

Mike—I bought your Heron Road a few years back. I’d like to be second in 
line to the OP for your friend’s Heron rando. 

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 7:29:12 PM UTC-4 mike goldman wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Pre-owned Roadeos - expected cost - complete

2020-08-08 Thread Lyman Labry

Roger that.  You have first right of refusal!

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:06 AM Scott Calhoun  wrote:

> That WTB was mine. No luck yet.
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[RBW] Re: CL outting: Bombadil

2020-08-08 Thread Jim M.

Thanks Joe. Mine is a 56 Proto. 

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[RBW] Re: Personal 'Grip of the Gods' variations

2020-08-08 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

I don't like cushion or slippery grips, but I do like thicker grips than 
cotton alone. So I've settled for the past few years on a layer of cotton 
with a layer of leather. So far, very happy.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 55cm or 56cm Heron

2020-08-08 Thread Andrew Nussbaum

There's also one for sale on Denver Craigslist.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul's Racer-M, Grand Cru Brakeset, NOS Avocet O2 Air 40M Ti Saddle, Phil BB Rings, etc...

2020-08-08 Thread Jack K

Updated list of what's sold and what's yet to be sold ...

-Jack

- *(SOLD) NEW Avocet O2 Air 40M Titanium Saddle:* Bought as
new-old-stock 15-ish years ago and hoarded for the day the one on my RB-1
wore out, but it never did. Absolutely pristine, the ultimate saddle from
Avocet. If I wasn’t riding recumbents exclusively now there’s no way I’d be
selling this. *$120 + $10 shipping*
- *EC+ Silca Impero Pump + Campy Head:* Very nearly “like new”, white
frame fit body + steel Campy head. This is a smallish pump, tip of Campy
head to tip of handle with spring not compressed is 50 cm. With spring
fully compressed it's 43 cm. *$75 + $10 shipping*
- *(SOLD) NEW Four(4) Stainless Steel Bottle Cages:* New in packaging,
traditional style, Tallac brand tubular stainless steel, satin finish, 49
grams each. *$44 + $6 shipping*
- *Pair (2) Panaracer RiBMo PT *Folding* Tires 700x32C:* Came on a new
bike and ridden 15-20 miles before my preferred tires arrived in the mail.
Part of Panaracer’s Urban line this is a top-of-the-line commute tire with
Panaracer’s Protek casing and Mile Cruncher tread technologies. *$40/pair
+ $10 shipping*
- *NEW Hollywood Racks Fork Block:* New in packaging heavy-duty fork
block for mounting in truck bed or on a wood plank to create your own
custom bike transport system – this thing:
https://www.etrailer.com/Truck-Bed-Bike-Racks/Hollywood-Racks/HRT970.html
*$12 + $7 shipping*
- *(SOLD) Tandem Rear Wheel (all silver!):* 700c, 48 spoke, 140mm
spacing, Suzue Sealed-Tech bolt-on freewheel hub with drag brake mount, Sun
Chinook rim, stainless spokes of some ilk, brass nipples, high-pressure
Michelin rim strip installed. Came on my very early 90’s Burley tandem and
ridden several years before being retired to my garage. Very good
condition, but could use a bearing repack and adjust. Can get pic if
interested. *$25 + actual shipping via ShipBikes.com*
- *(SOLD) EC+ Paul’s Racer-M Center-pull Brakes:* Black, center mount
(recessed), installed and stored in my garage after a test ride, perfectly
clean and like-new except slight marks in the black finish where the brake
shoes bolted down (likely covered by your brakes shoes). Includes
everything except brake shoes. I’m including new-in-packaging upgraded
Tektro straddle cables & CNC’ed cable hangers. These brakes:

https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer-medium/

MSRP $300+. *$200 + $10 shipping*
- *NEW Velo Orange Grand Cru Brakeset:* New, never installed, but I
upgraded the VO pads to Kool-Stop Salmon and used an emery board to reduce
the mold seam in the center of the pad in preparation to install them.
Includes short and long fork bolts, plus hex wrench. These guys:

https://velo-orange.com/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes?variant=51591467783

MSRP $170 *$140 + $10 shipping*
- *NEW Phil BB Alloy Mounting Rings: *New-in-box, light!, English
threading. * $36 + $4 shipping*

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speedometer, wired or wireless recommendations.

Thank Jack, will look at it.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 6:31 PM Jack K  wrote:

> Although many folks are now using GPS based units or smart phone apps,
> there are still nice olde tyme wheel-magnet-counting cycling computers
> available -- to my eye anyway. My most recent cyclocomputer purchase was a
> Cateye Strada Slim which I like better than any other traditional cycling
> computer I've owned over the years. Very small unit with big display,
> lightweight (if that matters), wireless, batteries last multiple seasons.
>
> I also have Garmin Touring GPS based unit, which I like, but that's really
> a very different animal. If I need/want turn-by-turn routing, which I often
> do, then I'm grateful to have the GPS option. But if navigation or
> performance data for post-ride analysis isn't needed then the Cateye is way
> more convenient, smaller, lighter, doesn't need to be charged prior to each
> use and, well, just feels like enough computer tech on my bars for JRA.
>
> There are plenty of other options for a traditional cyclocomputer, but if
> you haven't seen the Cateye Strada Slim you may want to have a look at it
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> Cheers,
>
> -Jack K.
>
> On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 4:39:16 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I always loved my Cateye Astral, seems they are gone.  Researching leaves
>> me no real choices.  Looking for mph, time riding, total miles, no loss of
>> settings when changing a battery.  If I go by online reviews there seem to
>> be no very good choices.  Thanks
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Re: [RBW] Speedometer, wired or wireless recommendations.

Thanks Ryan.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 5:12 PM Ryan M. 
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> Garmin’s various computers or Wahoo’s gps units are what the world has
> moved onto. I have a wahoo element bolt that I like. Requires no sensors
> and the battery lasts a long time. It seems to not lose gps signal like the
> garmins I've had in the past. The biggest plus is a super easy to read
> screen that is simple to go from one data field to like 12 all on the same
> data page. Makes it easy to show exactly what you want to show.
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Re: [RBW] Speedometer, wired or wireless recommendations.

Thanks Patrick.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 5:52 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Cyclemeter for smartphones, the free version, and turn off update
> notifications. Good enough for me!
>
> Elapsed time, mph, average, odometer, cumulative miles -- week, month,
> year -- cumulative total and by bike; average speed; elevation gain and
> loss; calories expended,* popularity rating, chance of winning lottery.
>
> * ***FWIW***
>
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>> I always loved my Cateye Astral, seems they are gone.  Researching leaves
>> me no real choices.  Looking for mph, time riding, total miles, no loss of
>> settings when changing a battery.  If I go by online reviews there seem to
>> be no very good choices.  Thanks
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Re: [RBW] WTB: 55cm or 56cm Heron

2020-08-08 Thread mikel66...@juno.com

My buddy in rhode island has 55cm saluki and heron randonneur for sale

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Re: [RBW] Re: Speedometer, wired or wireless recommendations.

Carl, that sounds great. Let me know how much and paypal info.  My zip is
01028.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 6:27 PM tuolumne bikes 
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> If someone wants the throwback experience, I have three of these Planet
> Bike Protege 5.0s complete for free plus shipping. They take 2032
> batteries, none included. All have been stored since phones with GPS became
> cheap. They all light up with battery installed. Very simple, time,
> distance, speed, odometer. Could be handy for touring if phone charging
> gets spotty. Don't know if they keep total miles while changing the battery.
>
> Carl
> On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Speedometer, wired or wireless recommendations.

Thanks Jack, good information.  I don’t see myself using GPS or my phone on
the bike.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 6:31 PM Jack K  wrote:

> Although many folks are now using GPS based units or smart phone apps,
> there are still nice olde tyme wheel-magnet-counting cycling computers
> available -- to my eye anyway. My most recent cyclocomputer purchase was a
> Cateye Strada Slim which I like better than any other traditional cycling
> computer I've owned over the years. Very small unit with big display,
> lightweight (if that matters), wireless, batteries last multiple seasons.
>
> I also have Garmin Touring GPS based unit, which I like, but that's really
> a very different animal. If I need/want turn-by-turn routing, which I often
> do, then I'm grateful to have the GPS option. But if navigation or
> performance data for post-ride analysis isn't needed then the Cateye is way
> more convenient, smaller, lighter, doesn't need to be charged prior to each
> use and, well, just feels like enough computer tech on my bars for JRA.
>
> There are plenty of other options for a traditional cyclocomputer, but if
> you haven't seen the Cateye Strada Slim you may want to have a look at it
> --
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>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack K.
>
> On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 4:39:16 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I always loved my Cateye Astral, seems they are gone.  Researching leaves
>> me no real choices.  Looking for mph, time riding, total miles, no loss of
>> settings when changing a battery.  If I go by online reviews there seem to
>> be no very good choices.  Thanks
>>
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[RBW] WTB: 55cm or 56cm Heron

2020-08-08 Thread Rivcyclist

Looking for a 55cm or 56cm Heron Bicycle, Road or Touring. Thanks.

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[RBW] Good 700C Wheelset for Sale

2020-08-08 Thread Fullylugged

This hub/rim combo is an excellent one.

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[RBW] Good 700C Wheelset for Sale

2020-08-08 Thread Michael Hechmer

I have a really good 700c Wheelset that has been hanging up and collecting 
dust for a long time..  These were on my Ram, circa 2000 for a couple of 
years before being replaced with White Hubs and a couple of more spokes.

Shimano Ultegra Hubs, 9 speed
Open Pro Rims 28 front/ 32 rear.
Ultegra 9 speed cassette - 12/28
Built by a really good pro.

All in very good condition but missing rear QR.

$330. plus shipping.

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[RBW] Re: Speedometer, wired or wireless recommendations.

2020-08-08 Thread Jack K

Although many folks are now using GPS based units or smart phone apps, 
there are still nice olde tyme wheel-magnet-counting cycling computers 
available -- to my eye anyway. My most recent cyclocomputer purchase was a 
Cateye Strada Slim which I like better than any other traditional cycling 
computer I've owned over the years. Very small unit with big display, 
lightweight (if that matters), wireless, batteries last multiple seasons. 

I also have Garmin Touring GPS based unit, which I like, but that's really 
a very different animal. If I need/want turn-by-turn routing, which I often 
do, then I'm grateful to have the GPS option. But if navigation or 
performance data for post-ride analysis isn't needed then the Cateye is way 
more convenient, smaller, lighter, doesn't need to be charged prior to each 
use and, well, just feels like enough computer tech on my bars for JRA.

There are plenty of other options for a traditional cyclocomputer, but if 
you haven't seen the Cateye Strada Slim you may want to have a look at it 
-- 
https://www.bikeinn.com/bike/cateye-rd310-strada-slim/124645/p?utm_source=google_products_medium=merchant_producte=500126=us=CjwKCAjwmrn5BRB2EiwAZgL9orqIIzblpWn7DRF55PVWoPe_yHkSDUYZB_-EvULSbn7SbqYRWCV_xhoCfLgQAvD_BwE=aw.ds

Cheers,

-Jack K.

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>
> I always loved my Cateye Astral, seems they are gone.  Researching leaves 
> me no real choices.  Looking for mph, time riding, total miles, no loss of 
> settings when changing a battery.  If I go by online reviews there seem to 
> be no very good choices.  Thanks
>

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Re: [RBW] Speedometer, wired or wireless recommendations.

2020-08-08 Thread Patrick Moore

Cyclemeter for smartphones, the free version, and turn off update
notifications. Good enough for me!

Elapsed time, mph, average, odometer, cumulative miles -- week, month, year
-- cumulative total and by bike; average speed; elevation gain and loss;
calories expended,* popularity rating, chance of winning lottery.

* ***FWIW***

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> I always loved my Cateye Astral, seems they are gone.  Researching leaves
> me no real choices.  Looking for mph, time riding, total miles, no loss of
> settings when changing a battery.  If I go by online reviews there seem to
> be no very good choices.  Thanks
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[RBW] Re: CL outting: Bombadil

The bike in the Craigslist ad is the size Rivendell called 52cm. I rode a 56 
which had a 60.5cm top tube and an 85cm standover with max tires. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: CL outting: Bombadil

Jim, what size is your Bombadil? The numbers in that Craigslist ad don't look 
right to me, I'd like to compare it to your bike. Which is gorgeous!

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Re: [RBW] Electrified Rivendells

2020-08-08 Thread Dave Redmon

Joe, where can I see photos or renditions of the Platypus bike?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020, 1:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I think the Clem L is a great platform for the juice, but as Dave alluded
> to it can be tricky to fit a battery on the toptube (where the bottle cage
> bolts are) because they're often the longer than the amount of real estate
> there. An ePlatypus would be great.
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[RBW] Speedometer, wired or wireless recommendations.

2020-08-08 Thread Ryan M.

Garmin’s various computers or Wahoo’s gps units are what the world has moved 
onto. I have a wahoo element bolt that I like. Requires no sensors and the 
battery lasts a long time. It seems to not lose gps signal like the garmins 
I've had in the past. The biggest plus is a super easy to read screen that is 
simple to go from one data field to like 12 all on the same data page. Makes it 
easy to show exactly what you want to show.

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Interesting flat bar brake levers

2020-08-08 Thread Dan McNamara

Hi John. I believe I have a set of those levers originally purchased to go with 
a build that is now going to use v-brakes. I’ll dig them out and PM you. 

Dan



> On Aug 8, 2020, at 10:52 AM, John H.  wrote:
> 
> Hey bunch -- My search for the trustworthy silver Shimano BL-550 levers that 
> Riv used to sell (and Shimano discontinued) has turned up nothing. I'm new to 
> the flat bar brake lever domain, but if you've got something cool or 
> interesting kicking around your parts bin that would work with cantilever 
> brakes give me a shout and I'll be happy to take them off your hands.
> 
> 
> -John
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird handlebar idea

2020-08-08 Thread Jim M.

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 8:53:11 AM UTC-7, Zack Medow wrote:
>
> So I maybe didn't describe this well enough. Just imagine a mustache bar 
> but with the brake hoods in the standard position for a drop bar. So it's 
> like a normal dop bar, but all parts of the bar are on the same plane. The 
> idea is to have a normal hoods position, plus a swoop back part of the bar 
> that's on the same level with the drops. 
>
>>
>> I've been intrigued by Velo Orange's Crazy Bar, though I don't know if 
you can put drop levers on those horns: 
https://velo-orange.com/collections/handlebars/products/crazy-bars-1 




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[RBW] Speedometer, wired or wireless recommendations.

I always loved my Cateye Astral, seems they are gone.  Researching leaves 
me no real choices.  Looking for mph, time riding, total miles, no loss of 
settings when changing a battery.  If I go by online reviews there seem to 
be no very good choices.  Thanks

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul's Racer-M, Grand Cru Brakeset, NOS Avocet O2 Air 40M Ti Saddle, Phil BB Rings, etc...

2020-08-08 Thread Jack K

Update on items sold and not yet sold ...

-Jack

- *(SOLD) NEW Avocet O2 Air 40M Titanium Saddle:* Bought as
new-old-stock 15-ish years ago and hoarded for the day the one on my RB-1
wore out, but it never did. Absolutely pristine, the ultimate saddle from
Avocet. If I wasn’t riding recumbents exclusively now there’s no way I’d be
selling this. *$120 + $10 shipping*
- *EC+ Silca Impero Pump + Campy Head:* Very nearly “like new”, white
frame fit body + steel Campy head. This is a smallish pump, tip of Campy
head to tip of handle with spring not compressed is 50 cm. With spring
fully compressed it's 43 cm. *$75 + $10 shipping*
- *(SOLD) NEW Four(4) Stainless Steel Bottle Cages:* New in packaging,
traditional style, Tallac brand tubular stainless steel, satin finish, 49
grams each. *$44 + $6 shipping*
- *Pair (2) Panaracer RiBMo PT *Folding* Tires 700x32C:* Came on a new
bike and ridden 15-20 miles before my preferred tires arrived in the mail.
Part of Panaracer’s Urban line this is a top-of-the-line commute tire with
Panaracer’s Protek casing and Mile Cruncher tread technologies. *$40/pair
+ $10 shipping*
- *NEW Hollywood Racks Fork Block:* New in packaging heavy-duty fork
block for mounting in truck bed or on a wood plank to create your own
custom bike transport system – this thing:
https://www.etrailer.com/Truck-Bed-Bike-Racks/Hollywood-Racks/HRT970.html
*$12 + $7 shipping*
- *(SOLD) Tandem Rear Wheel (all silver!):* 700c, 48 spoke, 140mm
spacing, Suzue Sealed-Tech bolt-on freewheel hub with drag brake mount, Sun
Chinook rim, stainless spokes of some ilk, brass nipples, high-pressure
Michelin rim strip installed. Came on my very early 90’s Burley tandem and
ridden several years before being retired to my garage. Very good
condition, but could use a bearing repack and adjust. Can get pic if
interested. *$25 + actual shipping via ShipBikes.com*
- *EC+ Paul’s Racer-M Center-pull Brakes:* Black, center mount
(recessed), installed and stored in my garage after a test ride, perfectly
clean and like-new except slight marks in the black finish where the brake
shoes bolted down (likely covered by your brakes shoes). Includes
everything except brake shoes. I’m including new-in-packaging upgraded
Tektro straddle cables & CNC’ed cable hangers. These brakes:

https://www.paulcomp.com/shop/components/brakes/center-pull-brakes/racer-medium/

https://velo-orange.com/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes?variant=51591467783

MSRP $170 *$140 + $10 shipping*
- *NEW Phil BB Alloy Mounting Rings: *New-in-box, light!, English
threading. * $36 + $4 shipping*

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird handlebar idea

2020-08-08 Thread Patrick Moore

I laugh at this question (in nostalgic exhilaration, not scorn) because
I've had the same dilemma for dirt surface bikes. I want a low, narrow
cruising position for tarmac, and a wide, closer-up position for dirt.

What all this reminds me of is: the original issue Moustache Bar. Though I
tried close and high, I didn't like it, and always went back to low and
far; IOW, set them up much like road drop bars. This gave me a narrow,
long-reach position on the hoods (set up per Grant's original suggestion),
and a much wider and closer position by sitting up and holding on to the
ends of the bar.

These 2 positions are very good, but -- and this is me, only -- my left
palm is so sensitive that only the ramps and hoods of a road drop bar setup
(I tried 6-7 different, wide, flared offroad drops and hated them all) is
comfortable for more than a few miles, thus ruling out the M-bar for
anything ridden for over 10 miles.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Stevens 
wrote:

> https://surlybikes.com/parts/truck_stop_bar
> https://www.crustbikes.com/products/wide-load-bar/
> https://bikepacking.com/news/ride-farr-supa-wide-handlebar/
>
> I guess the way I'm reading it is you want a narrow road position and a
> wider upright position. The general trend in backpacking has been to widen
> the bars and to include upsweep from the stem so that its a riser bar with
> a wide drop position, so that inverts what I perceive to be your preferred
> position, but this trend seems much easier from an engineering standpoint.
> I just got those Ride Farr bars: they are wide, but as they are short
> reach, with a shorter stem, they feel very natural, and nowhere near as
> wide as the widest bars out there nowadays.
>
> You could also go the Jones route, and ride in the "aero" position:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGwBvzvIhhs
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 10:48:51 AM UTC-5, Zack Medow wrote:
>>
>> Ok so for me the perfect road handlebar would allow me to run drop bar
>> break levers in the typical way for “endurance” riding, then with back
>> sweep to allow me to sit up and change my back angle. Basically I’m
>> visualizing this as an albastache bar but with the break levers vertical
>> instead of horizontal. Or like a dirt drop, but with all the hand positions
>> existing on the same plane.
>>
>> I could see how you’d do this by bending the tubes down in the way you
>> typically would on a drop bar, and then sideways and back for the sit-up
>> position. Has anyone ever seen a bar like this? Is this a very stupid idea?
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[RBW] Re: What role does your Joe A. fill?

2020-08-08 Thread Mark Roland

And yet, I just rode in the pouring rain the other day with my centerpull 
brakes, equipped with vintage 35-year-old pads, and stopped just fine. I 
also ride frequently with a buddy who has a Cosmic Stallion (in the sharp 
black/white/gold colorway), and I stop just as quickly as he does.

Rim brakes have been safely stopping bikes for billions of miles. It will 
be a while before discs catch up to that record. Not to start a disc vs rim 
thing, we've been there. Just pointing out that rim brakes are not "less 
effective." Maybe you like the feel of your particular set of disc brakes 
better than the particular rim brakes you've used. But there are all kinds 
of disc brakes and all kinds of rim brakes, so it's kind of silly to make 
generalizations, never mind ones with no factual data. I would not call rim 
brakes "retro" just yet, though that is subjective.

On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-4, Johnny Burrell wrote:

> I've often wondered the same about a Cosmic Stallion type bike vs a Riv 
> Joe A.  I'm tempted to sell the herd and simplify...  How's braking vs. 
> disc?  Rim brakes are just so retro and less effective than disc, 
> especially in wet weather.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on my aspiring Riv-style build?

2020-08-08 Thread Patrick Moore

This is the story of my life, circa 1990 until circa 2012 (tho' the bike
building begins far earlier; built my first bike from scratch -- bought
frame and scavenged parts in high summer -- Nov/Dec, southern hemisphere!
-- 1970). Buy cheap, upgrade at huge cost, sell cheaper, repeat until you
have spent a great deal of $$ and the lesson has sunk in.

Now I am in the enviable position of owning only bikes that are customs or
ones selected and refurbished according to my own wishes. It would have
been cheaper to go custom from the beginning -- except for the fact that I
learned what I want by making all those mistaken upgrades in the first
place.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 9:06 AM Surlyprof  wrote:

> ... I went through bikes by Surly, Bianchi and SOMA trying to outfit them
> as Riv-like country bikes.  I spent a few thousand dollars upgrading parts
> on each bike and never achieved the ride quality I had experienced test
> riding Rivs.  I eventually sold all those bikes at a substantial loss and
> finally bought the Hillborne I should have bought initially.

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Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions on my aspiring Riv-style build?

I know one person who thinks you should ride a Riv through salt and snow and 
lock it up outside the bar, it's Grant. He designs them to be used and is 
famously appalled to see an older one in showroom condition. 

Forget dumping money into an old Bridgestone or Specialized, find a new or used 
Clem, Hillborne, Appaloosa or Atlantis and ride it everywhere!

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Re: [RBW] Electrified Rivendells