Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Eamon Nordquist]

Damn, Bill! That's going to be a dream bike. Maybe you've already covered 
this and I missed it, but I'm curious whether you went with a  threaded or 
threadless fork?

Eamon
Seattle
On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 8:06:19 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Here is the Flickr album where I will post my photos.  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/
>
> There are several shots of the raw frame set in there now.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 7:13:08 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> I absolutely will be hoping for RivSister approval of my color way.  In 
>> my convo with Grant, he asked to photograph a number of the projects I've 
>> been working on or recently completed, like he may Blagh about it, and 
>> since this Canti-Roa is a relatively unique thing, I was going to give them 
>> first shot at the actual reveal.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, Ca
>>
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 5:17:12 AM UTC-8 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love seeing someone else's bike dream fulfilled! Congratulations on 
>>> your new bike day and what color did you paint your bike??! (I 
>>> promise you all your RivSisters want to know...) 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:19:18 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Since starting this thread, I did spring for a fancy new wheel set that 
 I'm pretty excited about.  I like the people and products at HED, and I 
 appreciate their vestigial commitment to rim brakes.  They offer a premier 
 rim treatment called RA black.  The rim is machined rough, and then hard 
 anodized to give a super high friction braking surface.  It's supposed to 
 be premier braking, and I'm excited to try it out.  

 Mocking up the weights of things, I may be able to pull in a full build 
 at 18.5 pounds without rack and fenders, and maybe (just maybe) at 
 19.99lbs 
 with rack and fenders.  We'll see how it turns out...  it will not be red. 

 BL in EC

 On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:23:07 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> Can hardly wait to see it built up! Long wait but worth it I'm sure 
>
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 9:57:15 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:
>
>> You gonna stick with the default red/white Roadeo color scheme or 
>> choose something else?
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 8:45:33 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> ...and 20 months later, it has arrived!  Rivendell received my 
>>> Cantilever Roadeo from Nobilette this week, and it's off to paint.  I 
>>> paid 
>>> them a visit and gave it a look over.  It looks very nice and I'm eager 
>>> to 
>>> see it painted, and built up.  
>>>
>>> On my visit I had a very nice chat with Grant about various things, 
>>> and a few of the familiar old faces were there, so it was a pleasant 
>>> visit 
>>> all around.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 John

 I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  
 Rene Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For 
 kicks 
 I'll probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  

 I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use 
 fenders.  I don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  

 I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are 
 super light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is 
 that 
 they can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and 
 fork 
 with those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd 
 trust 
 to execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  

 I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue 
 is indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and 
 Nobilettes.  I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he 
 is 
 charging what he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the 
 price 
 I've paid.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Bill
>
> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with 
> it.  The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well 
> worth 
> the cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   
> I'd 
> vote for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color 
> looks 
> best.
>
> 4 questions
> What size tire will you use??
> Sounds like you plan on 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Eamon Nordquist]

That’s going to be quite a bike. It’s almost exactly what I would ask for 
if I had the dough. I’m excited, and it’s not even my bike!

Eamon 
Seattle 
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 11:15:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> John
>
> I will definitely run my current Roadeo wheelsets.  27mm tubulars.  Rene 
> Herse Stampede Pass (622-32) and Bon Jon Pass (622-35).  For kicks I'll 
> probably check how Barlow Passes look on the bike (622-38).  
>
> I don't plan on using fenders.  I plan on being able to use fenders.  I 
> don't have a width or model in mind at the moment.  
>
> I am considering using Rene Herse Cantilevers.  Those brakes are super 
> light, super minimalist, and very not-adjustable.  My opinion is that they 
> can only work great when a master builder builds the frame and fork with 
> those brakes in mind.  Weigle and Nobilette are the two who I'd trust to 
> execute that, because both have done it dozens of times.  
>
> I expect to take delivery about a year from now.  Nobilette's queue is 
> indeed deep, and it contains other Roadeos, Riv customs, and Nobilettes.  
> I'm happy that Nobilette has the steady work, and hope he is charging what 
> he needs to keep the lights on.  I was happy to pay the price I've paid.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 9:41:52 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> Bill
>>
>> The canti-roadeo sounds great and I wish you the best of luck with it.  
>> The rear brake bridge is smart idea for canti's or CPs.  Well worth the 
>> cost to eliminates the cable hanger and all of it's problems.   I'd vote 
>> for red with cream head tube, just think a darker main color looks best.
>>
>> 4 questions
>> What size tire will you use??
>> Sounds like you plan on using fenders.   What width are you planning on??
>> What brakes do you plan on using??
>> What is the lead time??   I thought the last Blaugh talked about closing 
>> the custom order book for a time and then starting again something like 1 
>> year later
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:12:10 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a 
>>> Rivendell Custom
>>>
>>> Yes, it's a Roadeo.  It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo 
>>> graphics, and is not a custom.  I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm 
>>> Roadeo in my cart and paid for it.  Over email with Mark A, I specified a 
>>> bunch of details.  They included:
>>>
>>> -threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost options)
>>> -DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are no-cost 
>>> options)
>>> -canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there will be an 
>>> upcharge)
>>> -a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown.  Holds the fork blades 
>>> a tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement.  Will not change the A-C 
>>> fork length
>>> -I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on rear housing 
>>> stop.  I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm braze on like is pictured on 
>>> one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he said OK.  I don't know what 
>>> I'll pay for that
>>> -Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low and 
>>> off-center from 6 o'clock.  Legolas slotted cable guides are at 12 o'clock 
>>> for two cross-racing reasons.  I asked for mine off center up top, biased 
>>> to the non-drive side
>>> -fender attach points (no cost option)
>>>
>>> BL in EC  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full custom?  Threaded 
 or threadless? Can't wait to see it!

 Toshi


 On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Mike
>
> You are right that there are gatekeepers.  In this case, the 
> gatekeepers are Grant and Mark A.  Grant's main thing is if you buy a 
> Roadeo, and they put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo.  I asked them 
> about the concept in principal back in 2020, and I was only like 60/40 
> that 
> they would say yes, but they said OK at that time.  This week, I gave 
> Mark 
> A my full list of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so I paid for 
> it.  Now I'll wait and ride the other bikes in the stable...  
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:12:39 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> That sounds really neat Bill. I was always under the impression that 
>> a canti-roa may not fly with gate keepers at Riv. But since it is a 
>> custom 
>> from Riv and you are staying with the Riv design principles then it is 
>> go. 
>> Can't wait to see it.
>>
>> Mike SLO CA 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Bill - sounds like the bottom line is that we basically agree with 
>>> each other, though coming at it from slightly different 

Re: [RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Eamon Nordquist]

With that tire clearance, I would prefer that both bikes had cantilever 
posts, but I don't really mind the braking on long reach brakes. Disclaimer 
- I don't weigh that much (140-145 pounds), and even camping loads are 
usually pretty light for me. I just like that cantilever brakes allow you 
to maximize your fender clearance. 
The new Roadini sounds like it will be more of a bridge between the Roadeo 
and the Homer Hilsen.
Eamon
Seattle
On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:45:19 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

>
> It's brake hole to rim center you gotta get right. A medium-reach caliper 
> won't reach the rim as the Gallop is currently configured. 
>
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:14:28 PM UTC-8 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> Is there any reason why one couldn’t just use medium reach brakes with 
>> skinnier tires on this new model? I’m starting to wonder if the new VO 
>> Randonneur might not be a better option, or if I should just keep an eye 
>> out for an older Roadini/Rambouillet. I already have a BMC monster cross I 
>> use with 42mm tires. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 12:59:29 PM UTC-7 Scott Calhoun wrote:
>>
>>> Count me among those with no enthusiasm for 55-73mm long reach caliper 
>>> brakes. IME, much worse performance than medium 47-57mm reach brakes. In 
>>> the medium reach format, one has several high quality brake options: Velo 
>>> Orange Grand Cru, TRP 957, and Paul Racer M. In long reach calipers, 
>>> especially now that the Paul Racer regulars have been discontinued, there 
>>> are no high performance options to my knowledge.
>>>
>>> I would have prefered sticking with the medium reach, or going to canti 
>>> posts if wider than 38mm tires is a must.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:38:54 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was excited for a Charles H Gallop too, but no v-brakes means I’m 
>>>> out. Wish I could snag that prototype, because that is just an ideal 
>>>> setup. 
>>>>
>>>> But the Sam Hillborne also started with long reach brakes (like mine) 
>>>> and eventually made its way to canti/V-brake posts so hopefully CHG goes 
>>>> the same way and sooner than later. 
>>>>
>>>> Abe
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 09:38:06 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I was really looking forward to the CHG, but the long reach 
>>>>> brakes kill it for me. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022, Johnny Alien  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am a little shocked that they are apparently bringing that change 
>>>>>> over to the Charlie Gallop too. Instead of the V-brake/cantilever setup 
>>>>>> that the previous prototype had. Since they are designing their own V 
>>>>>> brakes that look to be quite nice it seems that they would push the 
>>>>>> bikes 
>>>>>> toward that. The only reason I can think that they would make that 
>>>>>> change 
>>>>>> is because sidepulls are a little more common on road style bikes. But 
>>>>>> making a decision based only on aesthetics seems counter to how 
>>>>>> Rivendell 
>>>>>> normally does things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm so glad I bought my Roadini frame before this change! The 559 
>>>>>>> brakes do not work for me: poor power in dry conditions and unusable in 
>>>>>>> wet. I find that 33mm tires have plenty of cush and 42's would probably 
>>>>>>> create toe overlap on a 50 size frame. I'm grateful to have found a 
>>>>>>> Rivendell frame that works for me. 
>>>>>>> [image: DSC00040.JPG]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 9:46:12 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed 
>>>>>>>> for R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far 
>>>>>>>> as I’m 
>>>>>>>> concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
>>>>>>>> coming in grilver, 

[RBW] Re: New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Eamon Nordquist]

>From the latest email update:
“The Gallop is a roadish bike that'll take a puffy tire and has the 
standover drooptube benefits of the Susie/Gus. If you want a functionally 
similar bike sooner - get a Roadini; They don't have the drooptube but are 
now designed around Tektro R559s and will clear a 42mm tire easily. They're 
coming in __* in Mermaid and orange.”

Eamon
On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 11:01:21 AM UTC-8 BobW wrote:

> That's great to hear!  Where did you see this announcement?  I did not 
> notice anything on the Riv website???
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:46:12 AM UTC-5 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>> I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed for 
>> R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as I’m 
>> concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
>> coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. That 
>> may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 80’s 
>> Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.
>>
>> Eamon
>> Seattle 
>>
>

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[RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Eamon Nordquist]

I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed for 
R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as I’m 
concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. That 
may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 80’s 
Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford A. Homer Hilsen 61cm $2,500

[Eamon Nordquist]

Totally understandable, Max! I misunderstood your previous post about 
interest for the wheels, racks, etc.and thought you had decided to part it 
out. It’s totally okay to want to sell the bike as a complete.

Eamon
Seattle 
On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 10:39:40 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> Hi Eamon,
>
> I've had a few direct inquires about this. Tbh, I want to give it at least 
> another week to see if anyone is interested in the whole bike. I know it's 
> an expensive build, but it's an awesome bike and I would hate to take it 
> apart. Also, I don't have the tools, knowledge or time to reduce the bike 
> to F/F/HS, so at the very minimum it would have to include the drivetrain 
> and with that the brifters and probably derrailleurs.
>
> This is what I've come up with, but I don't know if I'm way off:
>
>- F/F/HS + drivetrain, including brifters & derailleurs & cables (I 
>should probably include the rear cassette but I don't know how to remove 
>it) -  $1,600?
>- F/F/HS/DT including brifters & derailleurs & cables plus brakes, 
>nitto stem (not the Analog one) and handlebar: $1750?
>
>
> I'm open to offers if someone wants the bike without the wheels/lights and 
> racks but as you can see I'm having a hard time pricing the bundles 
> myself.
>
> I hope that's understandable.
>
> Max 
>
> On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 12:58:02 AM UTC-4 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>> How much for frame and fork, or same plus drivetrain/brakes/bars?
>>
>> Eamon
>> Seattle 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:10:49 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:
>>
>>> I have someone interested in the wheels, racks and lights... anyone 
>>> interested in the frame + drivetrain and maybe brakes + handlebars?
>>> Max
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 6:50:51 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Following my previous downsizing posts, here are the details of my AHH 
>>>> that's up for sale.
>>>>
>>>> Price is $2,500 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA)
>>>>
>>>> 61cm AHH Waterford build, amazing ride and great for road / light 
>>>> touring.
>>>> I'm the second owner and this was my commuter bike when one used to go 
>>>> to an office... the build / tune up was last done by James at Analog 
>>>> Cycles. 
>>>>
>>>> A couple of things to note: 
>>>> -Since we changed a few things (stem, basket, etc) I feel a subtle 
>>>> vibration when the road is very smooth, I believe the Compass tires are to 
>>>> blame, but who knows? Is there a resonance issue with the frame and the 
>>>> generator hub? I'm very picky with these things so I wanted to point it 
>>>> out. 
>>>> -The front brifter some times gets stuck and won't shift to the big 
>>>> plate. I'm not sure if this is simply lack of adjustment, but it might as 
>>>> well be.
>>>> -James recommended changing the rear free hub body, so please take that 
>>>> into consideration as well.
>>>>
>>>> The frame is in great condition but it does have some beausage with a 
>>>> few scratches and a couple of spots that I'll try to photograph tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is 
>>>> 80.5cm
>>>>
>>>> Custom Built DT competition Spokes Velocity Dyad Rim 700c 36H
>>>> Front has a Schmidt Dynamo SON 28 Polished 36H with dynasnaps
>>>> Front Light: Schmidt Edelux 2 polished, Schmidt rear
>>>> Compass Barlow Pass 700x38
>>>> SKS P45 (I can include the original Berthoud 50mm Fenders With Mud Flap 
>>>> which are a bit scratched but still usable)
>>>> Ultegra 12-27 Cassette
>>>> Shimano Deore XT
>>>> Sugino XD2 Crank with 175 mm cranks and 46/36/24 chainrings
>>>> IRD Compact Front Derailleur
>>>> Deore XT Rear Deraulleur with JTEK Shiftmate
>>>> Analog w(Right) Stem
>>>> Co-Misirlou Bar, 45cm Silver with brooks bar plugs
>>>> Campagnolo Centaur 9 Speed Shifter/Brake Levers
>>>> Silver Sidepull Brakes
>>>> Campagnolo Centaur 9 Speed Shifter/Brake Levers
>>>> Nitto R14 Rear Rack
>>>> M1 / Mark's Rack with two struts  and Wald Basket Medium (not sure if 
>>>> shipping the basket will make sense)
>>>> MKS GR-9 Pedals
>>>> 2 x King Bottle Cages
>>>> Cateye Micro Wireless Computer (sometimes it doesn't work, maybe needs 
>>>> a new battery)
>>>>
>>>> *not included in the sale: Andrew's Saddlebag Holder, Nigel Smyth Bag, 
>>>> Fairweather Bottle Bag, bell
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you have questions.
>>>> Max
>>>> [image: image (4) 2.jpg]
>>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Waterford A. Homer Hilsen 61cm $2,500

[Eamon Nordquist]

How much for frame and fork, or same plus drivetrain/brakes/bars?

Eamon
Seattle 

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 1:10:49 PM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:

> I have someone interested in the wheels, racks and lights... anyone 
> interested in the frame + drivetrain and maybe brakes + handlebars?
> Max
>
> On Saturday, August 14, 2021 at 6:50:51 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Following my previous downsizing posts, here are the details of my AHH 
>> that's up for sale.
>>
>> Price is $2,500 + packing & shipping (or local pickup in MA)
>>
>> 61cm AHH Waterford build, amazing ride and great for road / light touring.
>> I'm the second owner and this was my commuter bike when one used to go to 
>> an office... the build / tune up was last done by James at Analog Cycles. 
>>
>> A couple of things to note: 
>> -Since we changed a few things (stem, basket, etc) I feel a subtle 
>> vibration when the road is very smooth, I believe the Compass tires are to 
>> blame, but who knows? Is there a resonance issue with the frame and the 
>> generator hub? I'm very picky with these things so I wanted to point it 
>> out. 
>> -The front brifter some times gets stuck and won't shift to the big 
>> plate. I'm not sure if this is simply lack of adjustment, but it might as 
>> well be.
>> -James recommended changing the rear free hub body, so please take that 
>> into consideration as well.
>>
>> The frame is in great condition but it does have some beausage with a few 
>> scratches and a couple of spots that I'll try to photograph tomorrow.
>>
>> I'm 5'11" with a 91 pbh (I have long legs) and my saddle height is 80.5cm
>>
>> Custom Built DT competition Spokes Velocity Dyad Rim 700c 36H
>> Front has a Schmidt Dynamo SON 28 Polished 36H with dynasnaps
>> Front Light: Schmidt Edelux 2 polished, Schmidt rear
>> Compass Barlow Pass 700x38
>> SKS P45 (I can include the original Berthoud 50mm Fenders With Mud Flap 
>> which are a bit scratched but still usable)
>> Ultegra 12-27 Cassette
>> Shimano Deore XT
>> Sugino XD2 Crank with 175 mm cranks and 46/36/24 chainrings
>> IRD Compact Front Derailleur
>> Deore XT Rear Deraulleur with JTEK Shiftmate
>> Analog w(Right) Stem
>> Co-Misirlou Bar, 45cm Silver with brooks bar plugs
>> Campagnolo Centaur 9 Speed Shifter/Brake Levers
>> Silver Sidepull Brakes
>> Campagnolo Centaur 9 Speed Shifter/Brake Levers
>> Nitto R14 Rear Rack
>> M1 / Mark's Rack with two struts  and Wald Basket Medium (not sure if 
>> shipping the basket will make sense)
>> MKS GR-9 Pedals
>> 2 x King Bottle Cages
>> Cateye Micro Wireless Computer (sometimes it doesn't work, maybe needs a 
>> new battery)
>>
>> *not included in the sale: Andrew's Saddlebag Holder, Nigel Smyth Bag, 
>> Fairweather Bottle Bag, bell
>>
>> Please let me know if you have questions.
>> Max
>> [image: image (4) 2.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brevets on Rivs -- 2021 Dillon Beach 200k

[Eamon Nordquist]

My idea of a dream semi-custom Roadeo would be pretty much the same - canti 
brakes and the fender/tire clearance of a Sam or Homer. Then it could 
always have 38mm tires, whether it had fenders on or not. Roadeos are 
already kind of a dream bike though… ;)

Eamon
Seattle 
On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 10:27:32 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I noted that I wished my 32s were 35s at the end of the ride.  Austin 
> responded that his Roadeo takes 35s
>
> I did not mean to suggest my Roadeo doesn't take 35s.  I have the same 
> brakes you have (Velo Orange Gran Cru).  I only meant that's what I was 
> wishing at the end of the ride.  I considered putting the 35s on pre-ride, 
> and didn't.  Perhaps next time I will.  Please do show off if you can fit 
> Barlow Passes into your Roadeo.  My Barlow Passes are sitting on another 
> bike in another location, so I can't do that test.  My Barlow Passes are 
> plump, more like a true 40mm - 41mm.  
>
> My "dream Roadeo" would be a frame that has the light tubing of a 
> Roadeo/Legolas, geometry of a Roadeo, but the clearances of my Hillborne 
> which takes 38s plus fenders.  That's why I think cantilever brakes would 
> be ideal.  The fact is that I have a Roadeo, and a Legolas, and a 
> Hillborne, so it's kind of dumb for me to imagine the combination of all of 
> them.  :)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 9:26:03 AM UTC-7 Austin B. wrote:
>
>> @Bill,
>>
>> My 2014 Roadeo takes 35mm Bon Jon EL's just fine (mounted to H Plus Son 
>> Archetype rims) and the ride is sublime. See photos of clearance 
>> below--maybe a different brakes would help? Or perhaps RBW adjusted the 
>> clearances at some point.
>>
>> I've got 38mm Barlow's on my BMC Monstercross which I've been thinking 
>> about trying on the Roadeo to see if they fit (I'm due for new tires soon 
>> so I'm curious).
>>
>> Austin
>>
>> [image: IMG_8105.jpeg] [image: IMG_8106.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-4 Adam wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the report.
>>>
>>> I'm curious to hear about your and others' nutrition strategies. I've 
>>> not ridden a 200k yet but plan to soon. On rides longer than 100k or so, I 
>>> find that I need eat way more than you describe. I totally over ate on a 
>>> century a few months ago and got a bit sick post ride(no more pizza!) Since 
>>> then I've not had time to do another century, but on 50-70 mile rides I've 
>>> been trying to snack throughout the ride, esp early, and that works for me.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions from folks when doing rides long enough to require a 
>>> meal?
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 16, 2021 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Yesterday was brevet day, and it was my 29th career 200k brevet, but my 
 first on a "road bike".  From the start I've always had one or more "rando 
 builds" from which to choose, and so I've always ridden one of those 
 machines.  I always had mixed feelings towards those randos who strap a 
 bunch of afterthought bags to their carbon road bikes.  Are they cheating 
 on a race bike?  Will they be suffering because of their skinny tires?  
 This time, with the weather warm, the pavement decent, and the course not 
 too hilly, I decided to give the whole road bike brevet thing a try.  

 The field was tiny, allegedly 8 riders.  I only saw five of them at the 
 start; the Escape From Alcatraz Race occupied the parking lot where we 
 intended to start and the volunteer who takes the sign ins couldn't get 
 there in his car.  The six of us were prepared to collect EPP (Electronic 
 Proof of Passage) and started our GPS units and headed out.  Bless his 
 heart the start control volunteer later found me on the route and took my 
 signature there, explaining I wouldn't get credit without having signed 
 the 
 waiver.  

 The weather was in the mid 50s and foggy at the start as we crossed the 
 Golden Gate Bridge.  The cross winds that would continue all day were very 
 light in the morning and would be far stronger in the afternoon, which was 
 advantageous.  The course headed mainly into a headwind while the winds 
 were weak and returned with a tailwind while the winds strengthened.  I 
 did 
 most of the ride solo, and I believe I was probably the second finisher.  
 One rider who went out fast on the first climb of the day, I passed buying 
 mangoes at a fruitstand late in the afternoon.  One rider who blew past me 
 was on a current A Homer Hilsen, and he cheerfully said "Nice Bike!" as 
 his 
 youthful strong legs propelled him down the road.  

 My early vintage Roadeo did exceedingly well.  I had a slight panic 
 when I realized that I did not pack gloves, so it was also my first 
 barehanded 200k.  The only inconvenience that ended up causing was it give 
 me another place to apply sunscreen, and with no 

Re: [RBW] Re: A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[Eamon Nordquist]

That's officially/unofficially known as Category 6 racing! :)

Eamon
Seattle

On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 2:30:04 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Doug, this is my favorite part: 
>
>  "When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and smile at him 
> so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his eyes but he does 
> say hi."
>
> That's a stone cold assassin right there. Obliterated him! 
>
> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 2:24:03 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>
>> I'll bet that guy doesn't share the story with anyone.  Oh, the shame, 
>> the shame.  He will probably order some titanium chainring bolts to prevent 
>> a repeat.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 11:11:44 AM UTC-7 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Love this story.  You show 'em and with class!
>>> Kate
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 12:27:51 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ha! Thanks, Ed. It might be better in the storytelling than real life. 
 

 Oh, I found a pic of Baby Bear on his bike, in case anyone was 
 wondering...


 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 14, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Ed Fausto  wrote:

 

 I can almost visualize the scene.
 How I wish I was there to witness :-)

 On Monday, March 15, 2021 at 11:41:36 AM UTC+8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:

> [image: 269F6687-1E73-4DC9-ABC6-A84D0D1AE0A9.jpeg]Today Baby Bear 
> (he’s 12) accompanied me on a ride. We were just beginning our ascent of 
> Killer Hill when we noticed a roadie up ahead. He was on the path, and 
> not 
> the road, and his Lycra was rather tight. He had the glasses, the carbon, 
> the kit - he was telling the world he was LEGIT. I wasn’t buying it. I 
> looked at my son, who was looking at me and mirroring my expression. 
>
> “Let’s get him,” I said.
>
> Now, let me set this scene for you. My son is about 60 pounds. He’s 
> piloting a 45 cm Clem H with a large Nitto rear rack and basket, and a 
> couple of handlebar bags. Huge 2 inch Kenda tires on those heavy stock 
> Clem 
> wheels. His bike weighs half his body weight, I’ll bet. And worse, he’s 
> out 
> of practice. He used to dance up that hill, but he doesn’t negotiate 
> Killer 
> Hill much these days (my kids are in virtual school so no bike 
> commute)...but facts be darned, we’ve decided. 
>
> Baby Bear has a strong start, and I follow behind. He rings his bell 
> to alert the roadie to our presence. The roadie is NOT expecting anyone 
> else to be climbing this hill on a bike, and especially not passing him, 
> so 
> it doesn’t compute and he misses it. I give him two pretty Spurcycle 
> dings 
> and an “on your left” and then he knows. We shoot past him at a higher 
> speed than we’d ever normally take and again, exchange looks, this time 
> worried ones. Our incline is rapidly increasing and we are going too 
> fast. 
> We have 3/4 of a mile to go. Baby Bear is standing on his pedals and 
> breathing hard.
>
> “Well, we’re committed now,” I tell him. And I mean it. I can’t slow 
> down even if it kills me. I’m going to ride my raspberry racing Platypus 
> up 
> Killer Hill with my Saddlesack and unicorn Platypus pin and if I go into 
> cardiac arrest at the top it will have been worth it. 
>
> I don’t realize I’ve dropped my kid. When I do, I see that he has been 
> passed by the roadie after he (OH COME ON) stopped to take a drink of 
> water. The roadie and his unfortunate Lycra are now in the middle of a 
> Peterson sandwich. 
>
> I’m separated from my son; I can no longer see him, and it worries me. 
> I can see the roadie clearly, though, and he’s still coming. Mother of 
> the 
> Year here, I have a tough choice to make. 
>
> And I make it.
>
> Breathless and exhausted, I stop at the top of the hill and watch the 
> roadie approach. He will know I’m waiting for my son now and that I have, 
> indeed, won.  When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and 
> smile at him so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his 
> eyes but he does say hi. After a long while, Baby Bear comes into view. 
> He 
> is sheepish about being bested after such a strong start but he also 
> doesn’t berate me for ditching him. He knows I had to do it. He’s glad I 
> upheld the family honor; we get each other, Baby Bear and me. If he 
> couldn’t do it, he knew I was gonna have to. 
>
> Anyway, Baby Bear is going to take on that hill more often so he can 
> smoke roadies on his QuickGrilver Clem next time.
>
> Leah 
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Re: [RBW] Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Eamon Nordquist]

Okay, I just received mine. I am between 5’11” and 6’, 140lbs, and normally 
wear a medium. I don’t like baggy clothes, but per Riv’s recommendation 
(and picture of Will wearing one), I sized up to a large. The fit is 
perfect for wearing on a bike. The ribs keep it fitted, but the sleeves and 
back are plenty long for not riding up when on the bike (even with drop 
bars). I love it!
Eamon
Seattle 
On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 12:37:49 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Alex: Does this sweater have rear pockets? I'd guess not, otherwise they'd 
> show them.
>
> Also -- long shot question -- is the gauge as thick as the original Wooly 
> Warm version from years ago, and is the weave tighter? The WW was 
> heavyweight, but had a rather loose weave or knit. It was a very nice outer 
> layer over a merino base and perhaps an Ibex wool middle layer, but let too 
> much wind through on blustery days.
>
> I'm tempted, but I expect that the weight and weave are not warm enough 
> for my uses (again, outer layer, down to mid 20s over several other layers).
>
> I sometimes wish I hadn't sold my Wooly Warm, but there are similar 
> sweaters out there that are thicker and tighter in weave that still breathe 
> but block wind better.
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:35 AM Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles <
> 482...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater 
>> available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan
>>
>> This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck, vest 
>> and now cardigan).
>>
>> Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome 
>> garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.
>>
>> Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business Saturday" 
>> AKA every day.
>>
>> Have a great weekend everyone!
>>
>> Alex in Rochester, NY
>>
>> (Essential sweater weather is here ❄)
>>
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Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Eamon Nordquist]

I thought the MIT Homers use a 27.2 seatpost. I could be wrong - the 
description doesn’t say, as far as I can tell.
Eamon
Seattle  

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 11:30:35 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> And you could discuss that bike on the SOB* list!
>
> *Surly Owners Bunch
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:17:23 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>
>> I think I'll buy a Surly Bridge Club frameset and save myself $3400 vs a 
>> custom.
>>
>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:22:34 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> A custom would certainly do the trick. Mine was built to a spec similar 
>>> to if you put the toptube lower on an Appaloosa, and it uses a 27.2 post. 
>>> Solved! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 3:07:17 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 I think you mean get a section of 26.8 tubing. Yes, I suggested a 
 custom based on his favorite seat post. 



 On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:59:48 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> I would not recommend milling the inside of the seat tube. You'd be 
> weakening the structure of the frame and the milling would be difficult 
> and 
> more expense than it's worth.
>
> Instead, find a local fabricator and request the following:
>
> 1: Get a section of 27.2mm tubing and cut it to length (300mm or 
> thereabouts)
> 2: Cut the tube from the seatpost you want
> 3: TIG-weld the 27.2mm tubing to the base of your seatpost
>
>
>
> On Nov 27, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
>
> Well, as I said above, I'm not an expert in suspension posts, so I 
> haven't seen the testing labeling one or another brand far superior, one 
> that many people love, and therefore rendering my point into a straw man. 
> In 50 years of riding, with clubs, for transportation, being involved in 
> many ways, I've never ridden with someone who purposely rode with a 
> suspension post. Caveat--I am not a mountain biker so don't have a lot of 
> experience in that world, though I understand there the whole bike is 
> usually suspended. The ones I've come across in the wild were on hybrids, 
> cheap mtbs, (now extinct ?) "comfort" bikes, and tandem stoker posts.
> I guess my point was more if you really want a certain Riv model, you 
> can probably find a way to get a seat post that will work for you. Maybe 
> you could get .2mm milled off the post and .2 reamed out of the seat 
> tube. 
> Or just be thankful the Hillborne takes a 27.2 and call it a blessed day.
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 1:58:42 PM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
>
>> We're basically just bickering at this point but I can't help 
>> myself... the suspension posts posted on eBay above are all awful 
>> compared 
>> to the market leading suspension posts from Cane Creek and the like. 
>> They're not even really the same thing from a functionality perspective. 
>> Linking to them is a total straw man. 
>>
>> Cane Creek's design has been around for 20+ years, and is a well 
>> proven, tunable, and serviceable technology. Lots and lots of people 
>> love 
>> them and I suspect that's what OP was hoping to use.
>> On Friday, 27 November 2020 at 09:52:58 UTC-8 bfd...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My bad, the Op did ask about suspension posts. Someone else asked 
>>> about dropper post. Still, it does make you wonder what Grant is 
>>> thinking 
>>> going to a 26.8mm seatpost on his frames?! 
>>>
>>> Good Luck!
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 8:53:01 AM UTC-8 Brewster Fong wrote:
>>>
 The question I have is are these "suspension" post that you refer 
 to the same a dropper post that he OP is seeking?!  The dropper post 
 is the 
 latest thing for gravel/mtbs as it allows you to adjust the saddle 
 height 
 with the press of a button. These posts aren't cheap a they start at 
 like 
 $200 and go up! I think Sram's wireless post is $800+

 Good Luck! 

 On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 3:59:09 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland 
 wrote:

> Here are a bunch of 26.8 suspension posts on eBay 
> 
>  right now. Should last a lifetime of Rivs!
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 6:48:44 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes. Tubing diameter and thickness generally dictates seat post 
>> size. In that sense, the sizing is part of its functionality. A 26.8 
>> seat 
>> post size is not exactly unusual, and before 27.2 became dominant, 
>> was 
>> fairly common. I have several bikes, other than my recent Rivs, that 
>> use 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Wooly Warm Cardigan, Official Fan Boi Status

[Eamon Nordquist]

I went with their recommendation to size up one size, but am worried it 
will be too big. I don’t like baggy clothing, but they made it sound like 
ordering your normal size would be too small.
Hmmm...
Eamon
Seattle 

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 11:24:14 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> I'm 5' 10-",  165-170, got a medium in the vest and a large crewneck, both 
> fit well. It's a stretchy wool, I think you would be fine with a small, a 
> medium would be good too if you like a looser fit. 
>
> Too many sweaters to get the cardigan. I will wait for the henley next 
> year.
>
> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:25:11 AM UTC-5 Addison wrote:
>
>> Anybody get a smaller size?...debating on what size to order at 5'6" and 
>> 145 lbs.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>>
>> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>>  
>>
>> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>>
>> Portfolio and Blog 
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 7:11 AM Mark Roland  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh Yeah. Definitely Sweata Weatha. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 9:35:54 AM UTC-5 Alex Wirth- Owner, 
>>> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>>
 In case you missed the email update, Riv has a new Wooly Warm sweater 
 available on their site.  So far all sizes look to be still available


 https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/woolywarm-six-button-high-neck-cardigan

 This is my third Wooly Warm and I am officially a fan boi (crewneck, 
 vest and now cardigan).

 Easily the most complemented sweaters I've ever donned, a very handsome 
 garment.  Also thin enough to not "cook" you indoors.

 Thought I would throw this out to the group on "Small Business 
 Saturday" AKA every day.

 Have a great weekend everyone!

 Alex in Rochester, NY

 (Essential sweater weather is here ❄)

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Eamon Nordquist]

I think I am done dealing with this new format. It's too difficult and 
annoying for me to read. Later, folks!

Eamon

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 3:05:03 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:

> Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.
>
> Eamon
> Seattle 
>
> On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks like 
>> it's history.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in settings 
>>> you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and it gives you 
>>> Classic view in mobile.
>>>
>>> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>>>
>>> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
>>> instructions also.
>>>
>>> IanA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Cold Weather Gloves PSA

[Eamon Nordquist]

Have you any time idea how they hold up in the rain?

Eamon
Seattle 

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 7:44:08 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I've brought these up in another thread, but thought I'd share again for 
> the good of the group.
>
> Raber Gloves are made in Winnipeg...and the only reason I can find them as 
> far south as Nebraska is that my favorite LBS gets in an order every 
> winter. I have links to the gloves below where you can buy them from my 
> favorite local place, but if you see these gloves for sale in person or on 
> another site and you need good gloves, buy them.
>
> Garbage Mitts
> http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/garbagechopper-mitt
> These are insulated leather gloves with cuff that is stretchy, snug, and 
> comfy. I wore them on my ride today (18 degrees) and did not even need wool 
> liner gloves. I think I could go below zero with these gloves + wool 
> liners. They're not 100% windproof, but I'd say maybe 85-90% windproof. 
> They're called Garbage Mitts because trash collectors in the Great White 
> North use them.
>
> Piggyback Gloves
> http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/raber-gloves
> I love these gloves for cool weather. Low 50s down to mid 30s maybe. With 
> a wool liner, lower (but you can't beat the Garbage Mitts for low 30s and 
> down). Just little easier for shifting and braking than the mitts. 
>
> I'd happily answer any questions you have about them. Just thought I'd 
> share my favorite accessories with the group. I could easily see Rivendell 
> selling these (if it ever got cold enough in the Bay Area). 
>
> Have a great weekend!
>

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[RBW] Re: new Google Groups question

[Eamon Nordquist]

Same here. It’s unusable on my iPhone.

Eamon
Seattle 

On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:40:34 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> Switch back to classic view has disappeared from my settings. Looks like 
> it's history.
>
> On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 12:21:19 pm UTC+11 Ian A wrote:
>
>> I'm still using classic. On Android on desktop mode and then in settings 
>> you can switch back to Classic and then reload mobile view and it gives you 
>> Classic view in mobile.
>>
>> On the PC just go into settings and switch select switch to Classic.
>>
>> A Google search on switching back to Classic view should list the 
>> instructions also.
>>
>> IanA
>>
>>

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[RBW] 58cm Quickbeam build

[Eamon Nordquist]

I’m curious what decaleur you’re using. Does it mount directly to the stem, or 
sandwiched into the stack at the top of the headset?

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: 60cm Green Quickbeam, 62cm Orange Quickbeam FS

[Eamon Nordquist]

Depends on the era of Coleman. My older Coleman stove and lantern are (and 
always were) a much less blue shade of green than newer ones.

Eamon
Seattle 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Eamon Nordquist]

That’s a great looking bike! Sorry, Clem(entine), there’s a new sheriff in 
town, Raspberry Sparkle. I expect you’re going to really love that sweet ride.

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] BRP

[Eamon Nordquist]

Bill said:
“Their announcement makes me more likely to spend more of my money at Rivendell 
Bicycle Works.”

I agree.

Eamon
Seattle 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Eamon Nordquist]

Is the Roadini discontinued, and the Charlie H Gallop it’s replacement? If so, 
I guess I understand why they may have chosen to go with caliper brakes over 
canti/v-brakes. I suppose I’m not 100% against the change. It is an interesting 
bike either way.

Eamon
Seattle 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Eamon Nordquist]

Dang, I really wanted to get one of these, and hoped to be gainfully employed 
again by the time they are out. I’m no really interested anymore if it’s going 
to be made for long reach calipers. I don’t understand that change, but wish 
them well. Being able to run cantis was what was sealing the deal for me. It’s 
really a great design otherwise, but with big tire clearance, I really want 
cantis.

Eamon 
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[RBW] Re: A Long Low In The Wild

[Eamon Nordquist]

Is that little rack the Dia Compe one? I have a bike with the  e? I have a bike 
with the Dia Compe 610 brakes and thought about it as a headlight mount and a 
place to stow a raincoat or something, but I worry about stressing the brake 
bolt.

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: New Roadini day + request for a good looking crankset recommendation

[Eamon Nordquist]

The IRD triple is great too. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Eamon Nordquist]

I love that silver, although it’s partly because it reminds me of the early 
80’s Treks, with their great Imron paint jobs. Mostly, I am just really loving 
that bike. I have to stop looking at it, as I currently have no job :( and the 
pandemic is going to make it harder to get one, so the last thing I should be 
doing is fantasize about buying a bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Eamon Nordquist]

I love it. I’m not sure what size tires are on that, but they look pretty fat, 
and there still appears to be plenty of room for fenders. It looks like it 
would make a nice light all road bike. I agree with Bill’s Roadini comparison.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 559 X 42-46 mm tires -- suggestions?

[Eamon Nordquist]

My Paselas in 26x1.75 (both wire and folding) have been right at 42mm on Rhyno 
Lites.

Eamon

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[RBW] Can I fit J. App. or AHH in back of Civic or Impreza with back seat down?

[Eamon Nordquist]

With the chain stays on the Appa, it may not fit with both wheels on, based on 
what I can fit in my Hyundai Accent hatchback (a bike with 46cm chainstays is 
about max with the back wheel still on). If you don’t have fenders, you’re 
probably good.

Eamon 

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[RBW] PSA: Bleriot on Seattle Craigslist 61cm

[Eamon Nordquist]

Oh man, I would love that bike, and it’s local too. Too bad I don’t have a job!

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[RBW] New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

[Eamon Nordquist]

Getting back to the original topic, what is the old color being brought back 
for the new batch if Hillbornes? I would guess by the wording that it’s not a 
color that was previously used for Hillbornes. There’s been some nice greens in 
the past - as dark one that some Simple Ones had. That would look great. I’ve 
seen a copper/cream color on some Homers and Legolas models over the years. 
Might be my favorite Rivendell color ever. I think the black/cream and sage 
ones were the best colors the model has come in so far. There’s been a lot of 
blue and orange variations over the years, but who knows?

Eamon 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

[Eamon Nordquist]

Clayton, I'd probably need the zero offset stem to fit noodles on the 
current 59 Atlantis. Obviously, the 70 degree head angle can get the bars a 
lot closer, but only by having the bars much higher than I want). Yes, it 
could be done for me, but only just. The 55 Atlantis, with its 59cm top 
tube would fit easier, but I would only want that much standover if I was 
setting it up more like a mountain bike (it'd be great with a dirt drop and 
wavie bars).

For uprights, it would really depend on which bar I chose. They have such 
varying amounts of rise, drop, sweep, and forward extension (or lack 
thereof).

In any case, I'm not arguing that no one can put drops on these and be 
happy (just not me). I'm saying that it's obvious that they are meant for 
swept back bars, especially for someone who only just fits the pbh range 
for their size. There's nothing wrong with that, and if some folks like 
their short reach bars and ultra short stems, more power to you. There's 
also nothing wrong with the rest of us.

Eamon

On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 6:47:12 PM UTC-7, Clayton Scott wrote:
>
> Eamon,
>
> What stem length and which upright bars would you run on the 59 Atlantis?
>
> What top tube length and stem length would you need on an Atlantis to run 
> Noodles?
>
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

[Eamon Nordquist]

Clayton, most people I know, if changing from drops to upright bars on the same 
bike, would use a longer stem for the uprights. That’s not an emotional 
decision. For myself, if on a 59 Atlantis with its 64cm top tube, I’m not 
running anything but upright bars on it. I bet it’s great too, but it’s not an 
emotional decision that I wouldn’t want drops on that bike, especially my bar 
if choice - noodles. Maybe bars like the one James from Analog showed, but they 
are personally an aesthetic and ergonomic abomination to ME. I fully understand 
many people like them.

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[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

[Eamon Nordquist]

To each their own, but if that is “making drop bars work”, it’s not for me. I’m 
not afraid of short stems either. But, hey, it’s all about what works for each 
individual. I just think the new longer bikes are designed for swept back bars, 
and if you are near the bottom end of the pbh range for a given size, most 
folks are going to consider it a compromise or worse to try running drop bars 
on them.

I’m interested to see what the new Hillborne color will be. The black/cream 
ones were great.

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[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

[Eamon Nordquist]

The newest MIT Atlantis models do seem to have gotten even longer than the 
first round. I personally wouldn’t be able to fit dropbars to one without it 
going a size too small, and having way more stem and seat post than I would be 
happy with (short stem notwithstanding). I do hope the new Hillbornes haven’t 
gotten longer. The roster is pretty chock full of long bikes. Could be what 
others want, though. Who knows?

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[RBW] FS feeler 68cm Atlantis

[Eamon Nordquist]

Good price for a nice bike. It's definitely too big for me, but based on the 
saddle height in that picture, it doesn't look to big for you. Obviously, you 
know better than me if it doesn't fit, but out of curiosity, what about feels 
too big? Not enough standoff height?

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Eamon Nordquist]

Here in Seattle, I'm out and about on my bike, but wouldn't ride in close 
quarters. As to whether warmer temperatures will cause this virus to go away 
for now, we do not yet know. One thing we DO know is it is currently spreading 
in Singapore and Australia, so that could mean it's not going anywhere soon.

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: MIT AHH vs Canti Sam

[Eamon Nordquist]

If I had a Homer, I wouldn’t hesitate to use it for 1-2 night camping trips 
and/or gravel rides. I think that falls right in with the “country bike” 
description. A Sam is probably capable of heavier loads, but I think they’re 
probably two sides of the same coin.

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[RBW] New ROADEO

[Eamon Nordquist]

That bike is the business. Love it with the Rene Herse tires and crank. Only 
thing I’d add if it was mine is a dynohub. I can’t afford any bike right now, 
but that’s a good price for a Mark Nobilette made bike.

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[RBW] Can we talk about long wheelbases?

[Eamon Nordquist]

There is a point at which a bike that is long enough that it becomes a 
specialty bike similar to a tandem or a long tail cargo bike. Very useful but 
at the same time limited. If a bike is difficult to park in places I need to 
park it, or is too long for my car or public transportation, then it’s 
usefulness is limited to me. I wish it were otherwise, as a 59 Clem (my size) 
looks like a fun bike to ride, but it is a BIG bike. I almost bought a Clem 
anyway, but changed my mind because of the impracticality. I know a lot of 
supporters of these long bikes think that people who hesitate just need to ride 
one, but that’s not the issue for many. They are simply too long to be 
practical fir some people, in some cases only realizing this after buying one.
For ME, a new Homer is pushing the limits of how long a bike I can practically 
use. I wish Rivendell well with these bikes, especially as they seem very 
committed to exploring how long they can go, but I hope they keep some bikes 
with more Roadini like dimensions in their stable.

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[RBW] Switching Appaloosa from 700 to 650b

[Eamon Nordquist]

Going from 700c (622) down to 650b (584) would require getting a framebuilder 
to move the canti brake posts down. The existing brake posts would be too high 
to reach the rims. Given similar width tires, you would gain a 19mm drop in the 
height of the bike.

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Eamon Nordquist]

Another quote from Grant’s reddit ama:
“The next one is Charlie H. Gallop, and it's a high-clearance, v-braked roadish 
bike that'll fit to 50mm.”

Eamon
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[RBW] Silver2 shifters on downtube?

[Eamon Nordquist]

Yeah I have both, and I think the original Silvers are the best choice for the 
downtube. I'm sure the 2's would work fine, but they seem intended as thumb or 
bar and shifters.

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Roadini/Roadeo official tire clearance uprated?

[Eamon Nordquist]

Matt said, "So what should I believe?"
Believe it all. There just isn't one answer that fits everyone's situation. 
Yes, someone has fit 38's in a Roadini, despite Rivendell recommending 35mm 
as the max. That doesn't mean Rivendell was too conservative, it just means 
someone was willing to fit a 38 in there with very little clearance for 
debris, out of true rims, etc. (the pictures I saw showed a TIGHT fit). 
It's all about how little clearance you're willing to accept (or how much 
risk). On frames with that brake reach, 28mm with fenders and 35mm without 
are always going to be the safe bet. 32mm with fenders can probably fit 
too, but probably only with well setup fenders and no venturing offroad 
(where debris might get caught between fender and tire, causing a lockup). 
I've had a front fender get jammed, and when that fender accordions up to 
the fork crown, you are over the bars faster than you can imagine.

There are a lot of factors to consider if you want 32mm tires and fenders. 
Do your brakes hang down low enough that you can't get your fenders snug up 
against the fork crown and chainstay? For most sidepulls, the answer is 
probably yes, and it's safer to stick with 28's. Centerpull brakes are your 
friend here, as they typically leave more clearance. My vintage Trek with 
similar clearance will fit 32's and fenders using Dia Compe 610 centerpull 
brakes, but no modern dual pivot sidepull I tried left enough room (at 
least with clearance I was comfortable with). The type of fenders can make 
a difference, and tire width/height varies from manufacturer to 
manufacturer, plus the rims the tires are mounted on can change the 
dimensions.

Eamon
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[RBW] A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[Eamon Nordquist]

This is the root of why I can’t have a long chainstay Rivendell bike. Without 
getting a much larger vehicle with much worse fuel economy, I cannot ever 
transport a bike that long (especially with fenders). I have an 89cm pbh, so 
I’m definitely in the large size range. A 59 Clem is not feasible on the public 
transportation here either.

I am sure they ride great, and almost got a 59 Clem anyway, but realized if I 
couldn’t put it in the car ever, or the racks on local buses/trains, it would 
seriously limit my usage.

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Roadini Clearance

[Eamon Nordquist]

My ‘83 Trek is theoretically the same brake reach as a Roadini, and I ran 
Tektro 539’s for a while. 35mm Paselas on CR18 rims were very tight for me 
without those brakes. Closer than I was comfortable with, while the original 
single pivot Dia Compes fit no problem, and probably could have taken a 37 or 
38. I like the 539’s as brakes, but they do encroach on tire/fender clearance 
more than a lot of other brakes.

Eamon
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[RBW] Roadini Clearance

[Eamon Nordquist]

If it does fit, it’s likely to have the best clearance with a centerpull brake 
like the Dia Compe 610 or one of the Pauls. I have seen someone fit 
Compass/Rene Herse 38’s, but it was very tight. I know they fit 35’s without 
fenders, as does my similar brake reach ‘83 Trek. I suspect to some degree, it 
may come down to how little clearance you’re willing to accept, and how 
accurately sized gravel king 38’s are on your rims. The fork crown and rear 
brake bridge are probably where it will be tightest.

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[RBW] FS: 61 Atlantis F/F/H - Custom Cranberry Color (MUSA)

[Eamon Nordquist]

Oh man, that’s my size! Unfortunately, I’m not working right now, so good deal 
or not, no bike buying for me.

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[RBW] fresh Riv content on the Radavist, plus TOP TUBE PANNIERS

[Eamon Nordquist]

I love the top tube panniers, and I think my top tube is long enough to keep my 
knees away from them, but I wonder how much they would mess with my downtube 
shifters. Downtube shifters were the norm for derailleur equipped bikes when 
those were designed, so maybe I should just get out a tape measure and see. The 
Rough Stuff folks seemed to like them. They look like they would be good for 
snacks, small camera, etc.

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Looking for a replacement for the old MUSA short sleeved merino wool jersey

[Eamon Nordquist]

Thanks, Will!

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Looking for a replacement for the old MUSA short sleeved merino wool jersey

[Eamon Nordquist]

I'll be curious to hear how you Kucharik fits. It's just about impossible to 
find a picture of one actually on somebody. I fear they might be too baggy for 
my bony slim body, but would love to be wrong.

Eamon
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Re: [RBW] RBW Seattle bike shops!

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If you're in Ballard, I'd just go to Free Range in Fremont. They're super 
close to you, and were at one time a Rivendell dealer. They are also super 
nice people there, and definitely won't mock you. No "bike shop dude" 
mentality there - in fact it's a woman owned business.

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 10:17:29 PM UTC-7, Anthony Childs wrote:
>
> Nice, a lot votes for back Alley.  I live in Ballard and I’m familiar a 
> lot of the bike shops mentioned.  I feel like most places just think it’s 
> weird that I don’t want/have disc brakes.  Back alley is a new one for me 
> though! 
>
> Anthony Childs 
>
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[RBW] Re: Good Problem to have? FS/FT

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I would build up the MIT one as an old school style MTB with Wavie or 
Bullmoose bars, and the Waterford as a drop bar all-rounder. Unless you 
can't afford to keep both, I bet you wouldn't regret it!

Eamon
seattle

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 8:34:14 AM UTC-7, Anthony Childs wrote:
>
> I've wanted an atlantis but,  now I have two!  
>
> I bought a new MIT Atlantis 53cm frame. soon after I came across a 56cm 
> waterford complete at a good price, so I bought it... I don't really need 
> an extra frame and I'm not sure I can return it, nor do I want to 
> (understanding the struggle of a small business) 
>
> Do I sale the new frame (in box)?
>
> OR! I would be willing to trade for a different Riv. Cheviot would be a 
> great different style or a complete clem L
>
>  Another option would be to build the MIT Atlantis and sale it complete??
>
> What do we think?
>   
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[RBW] Re: RBW Seattle bike shops!

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I second both Back Alley and Free Range. I also recommend Counterbalance (along 
Burke Gilman near U-village). Recycled Cycles in the U-district has good used 
parts bind to scavenge.

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Roadini fendering at 32mm?

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I am currently running a pair of R539 brakes on my '83 Trek, and at least 
in the front, they are the limiting factor in fender/tire clearance. Dia 
Compe 610's offer several millimeters of additional clearance over the 
539's. I think if you want maximize clearance with that kind of brake 
reach, you need to go to centerpulls (or have canti posts brazed on).

I have had a front fender accordion on me before, so I like conservative 
clearance with fenders. Others may be more comfortable pushing the limits.

Eamon
Seattle

On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 6:24:28 PM UTC-7, Matt D wrote:
>
> My 61 Roadini is set up with 17mm Alexrims G6000 rims, Panaracer 
> Gravelking 32c tires (which run true to size), and *Tektro R539 brakes*. 
>

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[RBW] One month on the Roadeo

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Looks great. Based on my 89 pbh, it looks like it would be just my size. :)
Roadeos and "not Legolas" customs are my dream bikes.

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[RBW] Re: Drop Bar Fans: anyone tried the 50cm So Bar?

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I wonder if they are actually any wider than a 48cm Noodle. They state 50cm 
c-t-c at the ends. Noodles are 48cm c-t-c at the lever clamps - with the 4 
degree flare, they must be close to 50cm at the ends. The other 
measurements seem very close to the Noodle as well. I wonder if they aren't 
just a SimWorks branded 48cm Noodle.

Eamon
Seattle

On Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 8:59:09 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> If 48cm Noodles are just not wide enough, there's this:
>
> https://www.sim.works/products/so-bar?variant=12605701783653
>
> Comes in black and silver, obviously, I'd be interested in the silver 
> version.
>
> Anyone tried it?  It's a little more traditional and less bendy than a 
> Noodle.  But still, looks interesting.
>
> Jim
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[RBW] Re: Dear Riv, please make a wider Noodle

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If you mean the Nitto RM-013 Dirt Drops, the listed size is measured at the 
ends, where the Noodle sizes reflect the width at the hoods. The RM-013 
flares at the ends of the drops a little more. I think a 48cm Noodle is 
actually 48cm at the hoods, where the 52 RM-013 is closer to 46cm at the 
hoods.

Eamon
Seattle

On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 8:00:14 PM UTC-8, Mark Schneider wrote:
>
> I see Analog cycles has a dirt drop Nitto bar tha's 52mm wide, and in 
> black (hubba hubba). I've come close to buying it several times recently. 
> Wonder if anyone tried them.
>
> Mark
> Loma Mar
>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Silver Legolas on the blug

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Those look like the Compass 700c x 38mm Barlow Pass tires.

Eamon
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[RBW] Silver Legolas on the blug

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That is a great looking bike. If I could afford a custom, it would be very 
close to a Legolas.

Eamon 
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[RBW] Re: Fun random happening at RBWHQ

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Thanks, Bill. I’ve been considering putting different bars on my ‘87 Trek 
Antelope. I’ve been waffling between Bullmoose, Albastache, and Chocos. The 
Chocos look good on a bike like that. The forward curves look like a nice spot 
to grip.

Eamon 
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[RBW] Re: Fun random happening at RBWHQ

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Bill, by chance were the bars on that Atlantis the new “wavie” bars they’ve 
been working on? Atlantis looks good as a hilly bike.

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 thumb shifters on the Blahg

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I’ll be getting a set!

Eamon
Seattle 

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[RBW] 61.5 Homer on a beautiful December Day

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Nice! I didn't think I was a fan of that blue until seeing it in person several 
months back when I stopped by Rivendell. It is really quite striking in person.

Eamon
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[RBW] Will 700x38 Gravelking SKs fit on my Ram?

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I suspect that what brakes to see using will be part the deciding factor. 
Centerpulls typically help maximize clearance at the crown and bridge as 
compared to dual pivot sidepulls, but they're not all the same. How much space 
do you have between the top of your 32mm tires and the brake?

Eamon
Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

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Bullmoose bars look proper on that bike. Looks like fun will be had!

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Anyone ridden both 26"/700c Atlantis'?

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If you look at the geometry charts, Grant does use slightly different 
geometry for different wheel sizes (especially noticeable is differing HTA 
and fork rake). I think he tries to tune the handling feel nearly the same 
regardless of wheel size. Obviously, acceleration might feel different with 
smaller wheels, but I bet they handle pretty similar otherwise.

Eamon

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 1:23:32 PM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>
> I have a 56cm, 26"-wheeled Toyo Atlantis that I've recently realized is 
> too small for my 89cm PBH body (I know, way off). I've struggled with bike 
> fit all 8-9 of my cycling years and didn't really think the "Riv fit" would 
> work for me when I picked this frame up this summer. More recently, I 
> bought a 61cm Bleriot on the list and it fits like a glove! I'm still 
> happily riding the Atlantis, but can't help but feel like a 61cm frame 
> would be even better.
>
> I really love the Atlantis and have it build up exactly as I like it. I'm 
> quite sure the fit would be an instant improvement but worry that the 
> quickness I like about the smaller wheels would be lost with the 700c 
> wheels. I know their not fashionable and tire options are limited, but I 
> think the small wheels work really well on this bike.
>
> Anyone ridden both wheel sizes and have thoughts on the difference? More 
> likely to find someone who's ridden the 56 and 58, but maybe a 61, too?
>
> Darin
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[RBW] FS: 2014 Atlantis 56cm demo

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Damn, that's a proper looking Atlantis. Luckily, it's too small for me!

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet fender clearance thread. List yours!

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I don't have a Rambouillet, but I think your experience is about what to 
expect from any bike designed for 57mm reach brakes. Under best case 
scenario, you might fit 32mm tires and fenders, but clearance will be 
tight. I think the intention is for 28mm max tire size with fenders, and 
35mm (maybe 37 in some cases) without fenders.

Eamon

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 1:55:39 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Just for fun and reference. Put your info here too for others to see as 
> this is discussed sometimes. Seems like different iterations have different 
> clearances.
> I have been wrestling with 700 x 40mm Berthouds to get them installed and 
> to fit with 700 x 32mm tires.
>
> *My Ram's frame iteration *(I think) one of the later ones*:*
> I have a blue 54 Rambouillet with Hilsen lugset/barrel eyelets on 
> seatstays/one eyelet per dropout (for iteration description).
> 132.5 dropouts.
> Frame features are like the green iteration. I have never seen an orange 
> or other blue like this.
>
> *Fenders and frame fit (700 x 40 stainless Berthoud Fenders):*
> Rear fender end at chainstay bridge needed to be squeezed a little  so it 
> would fit between stays. No spacers needed for bridge.
> Fenders cleared all frame points fine everywhere else front and back.
> Both fenders mounted to Problem Solvers fender nuts for easy on-off, and 
> maximum clearance without daruma hardware protrusion.
> All other fender bolts mounted with heads inside the fender and nuts 
> outside for same.
>
> *Fender fit over 32mm tires:*
> Front fender over tire went on easy.
> Rear was tough to get right, but now is on fine. 
> Nothing rubs but clearances are very tight. Nothing bigger than a 32 will 
> fit with fenders for sure.
> Too tight for my taste. I like better clearances.
> So I am hopefully getting some Cerf 28mm to put on it.
> Those tires I hope will have massive clearance after having mounted the 
> fenders for 32mm clearances.
>
> *650b conversion with SKS P45 fenders:*
> Massive clearance for 650 x 42mm tires with SKS P45 fenders on this bike. 
> Fenders fit good all around. Rear fender flexible enough to smoosh a little 
> between chainstays at chainstay bridge.
> No spacer needed.
> Tried P50 Honjos. Would need to be cut or shaped to fit around chainstays 
> at chainstay bridge on this frame. No spacer needed.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Recommend 700 x 28c tire, please.

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I’ve never had more than 75psi in my Chinook Passes, but I only weigh 140 
pounds. I have the extra light version, and am a little over 1000 miles in, 
with no flats. I do find them noticeably nicer riding than the 28mm non-belted 
Paselas they replaced, but not necessarily dramatically so. I chalk that up to 
the unbelted Paselas still being a really nice riding tire for the money. My 
only gripe with them is that the tread pattern picks up debris in the rain, and 
it slowly works its way in, causing flats. In a decade or more of riding them, 
almost every flat I had (not many) was in November and December (first 2 months 
if Seattle’s rainy season). After December, it seems it’s rained enough to wash 
most of the debris off the roads. If it was less rainy here, I’d probably still 
ride them in 28’s. I do still ride 26x1.75 Paselas on my old mountain bike. 

Eamon

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[RBW] Recommend 700 x 28c tire, please.

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You can't go wrong with Compass Chinook Pass, or Gravelking 28's. Schwalbe 
probably has something comparable. 

Eamon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

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Yes, Doug, I only meant that this discussion group is not a direct line to RBW, 
and that any message to them should go directly to them. They obviously read 
SOME posts here, but they don’t host or moderate this group.

Eamon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

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Doug, this group is about Rivendell bikes, but not run by them. Try emailing or 
calling them.

Eamon

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[RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

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Personally, I would consider the extra clearance a plus. That's commonly a spot 
where fender clearance is reduced by brake interference. I understand not 
wanting that if you don't plan on ever fendering the bike, or don't want to 
maximize tire size, but I'd personally only consider it a problem if it had 
REDUCED clearance.

Eamon
Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Hilltrek Ventile Cotton Analogy Sale

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John, please do post some pictures when your Greenspot arrives.

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: Best brake fork crown clearance calipers?

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Aha! I guess I always think about buying brakes as a pair (front and rear), 
but the original post did specify best fork crown clearance, so maybe the 
search is just for a single brake.

- Eamon

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 12:51:49 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Right now (Sunday 9/16 3:47pm ET) ebay has one single NIB silver Paul 
> Racer brake for a "Buy it now" price of $90.  See it here 
> 
> .
>
> There are several other new Paul Racers on ebay for barely over $100.  
>
> Tom
>
> On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>>
>> Used Paul Racers?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Best brake fork crown clearance calipers?

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Do people actually sell Paul's for under $100, even used? I'm asking, not 
disagreeing. I've never seen them for that price, but I've also never 
really shopped for any used other than casually searching.

Eamon

On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 10:24:06 AM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> Right, Eamon, that's why I said "Used..." :)
>
> On Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 12:38:57 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist 
> wrote:
>>
>> Paul's are a lot more than $100...
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Riv Mountain Bike

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I love all the little musical instrument decals - hope they stay.

Eamon
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[RBW] Re: Best brake fork crown clearance calipers?

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Paul's are a lot more than $100...

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[RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

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It doesn't really strike me as a "step through" - it's just a curvy/droopy 
dropped top tube that gives more standover clearance. As said earlier, a bit 
like a Jones spacecraft in that regard. Either way, I love it.

Eamon

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[RBW] Best brake fork crown clearance calipers?

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Centerpulls are going to be your best bet as far as minimizing brake 
interference with fork crown clearance. I think you'd have to go used to find a 
set under $100, although the new Dia Compe dc610's are worth it.

I currently run Tektro r539's on my '83 Trek 520, and they DO reduce my 
available clearance. I have plenty of clearance for 28mms tires with fenders, 
but it would be too tight for my taste with 32's.

These IRD brakes are in your budget and claim good fender and tire clearance, 
and the shape of the arms looks promising, but I guess it also depends on how 
far below the bolt they hang.
https://store.somafab.com/irdb57brakes.html

Eamon
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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

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I would suspect that with the huge frame sizes he rode, Jobst wouldn’t have 
likely ever chosen 650b for himself, regardless of tire size. I guess we can’t 
ask him anymore to know for sure .

Eamon 
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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

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I did notice bison could be found in there, and wondered if it was indeed part 
if the name. Seems appropriate fir a mountain bike.

Eamon 

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

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The Jones LWB shows a long wheelbase can be successfuly used on a mountain 
bike. I bet it will at least be long in the rear center - I’m curious what the 
front end geometry will be like. I would bet that Grant will want to balance 
the stability and “in the bike” feeling of a longer rear with some nimbleness 
in the front. It will be interesting to see how much of that comes from head 
tube angle and how much from fork rake.

Regarding the name, all I came up with were dumb nonsense names that surely 
aren’t correct. Someone else will have to figure it out!

Eamon

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Looks like it’s going to be a cool bike :) The tubular fork crown reminds me of 
a fancier version on some old Raleigh fork crowns.

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Looks properly TUFF and wide!

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[RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

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I would think Choco or Albatross bars would work great on a Clem. Perhaps 
the combination of how high and far back the Boscos come could be why 
you're feeling they aren't wide enough? I would think a bar that got a 
little closer to the stem would feel better.

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[RBW] Re: Would it be fun to have an all SILVER group?

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Not to change the subject, but have you ever posted pictures of your Rivendell 
Mountain? They seem to be rare beasts, and I've only ever seen a few pictures 
before.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] Sackville BagBoy

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Looks great to me. Love it!

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[RBW] Re: What tires fit good on 700c Sun CR18 rims?

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Seconding this. I've used CR18's (and previously Sun M13's as well) for 
years. Most tires have been no problem, although some were a little tight 
with cloth rim tape. Switch to something thinner like tubeless tape and you 
shouldn't have a problem.

Eamon
Seattle

On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 11:26:53 PM UTC-7, CMR wrote:
>
> Not a tire, but try putting tubeless tape on there if you haven't done so 
> already. Gives more of a groove to fit part of the bead in while you pop 
> the other side on.
>
> -Chris
> Berkeley, CA
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone installed Guidonnet style levers on Choco's?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Similar feelings here. I also had a set mounted on VO Porteur bars. I found 
that if you grabbed the curved end portion hard in an emergency braking 
situation, the levers could rotate on the bars, causing the lever to bottom 
out against the bars. This led to a very scary near crash for me. I 
couldn't seem to tighten the band clamp enough to make them feel safe and 
secure to me.

Eamon

On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 8:01:14 PM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> I've used them on the VO Porteurs which are similar to the Chocos. Wasn't 
> a fan. They have lots of flex and sit very far away from the bar with no 
> adjustment (though Kai's smartly-rigged set might fix the latter). 
>
> Eric
>
> On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 10:11:29 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I have a new Dia-Compe set I've been meaning to use for, like, 3 years. 
>> The chances of this ever happening seem to be nah so if anybody wants them 
>> I figure 20 bucks shipped. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA AHH on Ebay

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I wonder if a it's a repaint with the correct decals applied...

Eamon
Seattle

On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 12:17:15 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Odd paint, too. It looks legit with correct decals, but there isn't a 
> single cream lug window to be seen. 

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[RBW] Re: MIT Homer pre-order

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I'd say probably EVERY Rivendell bike, with the exception of maybe the 
Roadeo, has longer chainstays than the Elephant NFE. The NFE has 43.5cm 
stays in all sizes. With the NFE's low trail geometry, every Riv is going 
to feel quite a bit different, not just the new long chainstay models (not 
a knock on the NFE or the long bikes).

Eamon
Seattle

On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 10:32:37 AM UTC-7, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> The longer chainstays will give you what you want. The AHH stays are 
> 47.5cm. I have a 53 MIT Atlantis with 52cm stays. Cushy ride but still 
> responsive.
>
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 1:22:07 AM UTC-4, Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>> I (pre)ordered one the other day. I’ve been wanting an an AHH for a while 
>> now but the MUSA frames were just out of my budget, so I jumped at the MIT 
>> version. Admittedly I’d prefer the more horizontal top tube and shorter 
>> wheel base, but what can you do.  My only bike now is an elephant Nfe which 
>> is low trail and pretty “lively” and a lot of fun to ride, but I think the 
>> AHH will make an awesome partner for days* I want something more stable 
>> and comfortable.* That’s the plan anyway. 
>>
>> Side note: I’ve seen a guy lately cruising around West Seattle and 
>> downtown Seattle on an Atlantis with double tt. Looks awesome.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MIT Homer pre-order

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I'd say probably EVERY Rivendell bike, with the exception of maybe the 
Roadeo, has longer chainstays than the Elephant NFE. The NFE has 43.5cm 
stays in all sizes. With its low trail geometry, every Riv is going to feel 
quite a bit different, regardless of chainstay length.

Eamon
Seattle

On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 10:32:37 AM UTC-7, Lester Lammers wrote:
>
> The longer chainstays will give you what you want. The AHH stays are 
> 47.5cm. I have a 53 MIT Atlantis with 52cm stays. Cushy ride but still 
> responsive.
>
> On Wednesday, August 8, 2018 at 1:22:07 AM UTC-4, Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>> I (pre)ordered one the other day. I’ve been wanting an an AHH for a while 
>> now but the MUSA frames were just out of my budget, so I jumped at the MIT 
>> version. Admittedly I’d prefer the more horizontal top tube and shorter 
>> wheel base, but what can you do.  My only bike now is an elephant Nfe which 
>> is low trail and pretty “lively” and a lot of fun to ride, but I think the 
>> AHH will make an awesome partner for days* I want something more stable 
>> and comfortable.* That’s the plan anyway. 
>>
>> Side note: I’ve seen a guy lately cruising around West Seattle and 
>> downtown Seattle on an Atlantis with double tt. Looks awesome.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: (Belated) New (to me) Bike Day: Rambouillet!

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That is a great color green! What a good looking bike - not as adorable as 
I'm sure your new baby will be, but still...!

Eamon
Seattle

>
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[RBW] Re: MIT Homer pre-order

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I just saw the samples in person. I was killing time waiting for a flight back 
to Seattle this evening, and took BART out to RBW, since I wanted to pickup 
some new Dia Compe 610’s.

Will showed me the new Taiwan Homers, and they look great! A little more 
upslope, and longer, but proportional to size chainstays. Will did say they 
take 27.2 seatpost. These look like a hell of a bike for the money. I am 
seriously thinking of getting serious about saving, selling stuff, whatever I 
need to do to get one. I didn’t think I’d like the color, but was completely 
won over in person. Don’t think there’s any corners cut by being made overseas 
- these are beautiful bikes.

Will offered me a test ride, but it was very smoky today, and I have lung 
issues, otherwise I expect I’d be telling you how great they ride. I’ve always 
wanted an Atlantis, but I may have converted that desire to a Homer. 

Eamon
Seattle 

p.s. the new orange Roadini color looks great, as do the canti Sams.

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[RBW] New Dia Compe 610s on Redwood.

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Looking good. I'm hoping to visit Rivendell soon, and think I'm going to pickup 
a set myself. I'm going to put them on my '83 Trek 520. I've had my old 610's 
in there in the past, but like how much nicer the new ones look, and also like 
the idea of smoother lighter action.

Eamon
Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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No need to be sorry - nobody claimed a HiteRite is everything a modern 
dropper is. I just said I think they work better than some might give them 
credit for, and I don't think anyone else said or implied much different. 
Happily use your dropper judgement free - I bet their fun to use!

On Friday, July 27, 2018 at 9:18:08 AM UTC-7, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> ... So, I've concluded that in the areas I ride to get me to use a dropper 
> it needs to be easily actuated without me thinking too much about it, and 
> I'm sorry to say that Hite Rite wouldn't make the cut. 
>
>

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[RBW] Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

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Your Bombadil looks really good! I am generally not super big on that light 
silvery blue color, but the contrasting dark blue heartburn wins me over. I 
would take one like that in a heartbeat. It's funny how such a small detail can 
change your while impression of something.

Eamon
Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

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Hite Rites are kind of awesome low tech wonders. Yeah, modern droppers have 
more functionality, but Hite Rites work better than I bet a lot of people would 
expect.

Eamon
Seattle

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[RBW] New to me Roadeo

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Damn, that's a good looking bike!

Eamon

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[RBW] Re: The "One Bike" for a featherweight?

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I don't have one, so can only speculate, but Sam Hillbornes are supposedly 
somewhere in between the Homer and the Atlantis on the stoutness scale. Now 
that they're offered with canti/V brake posts, they supposedly clear 48mm 
tires too. They also build up great as touring, trail, or road bikes.

I feel you on the featherweight thing. I'm between 5' 11" and 6 feet, at 
about 140 pounds or less. Most bikes my size these days are way sturdier 
than I need, even loaded. I wonder what people take with them touring. I've 
never brought more than 30 pounds, even in the mountains for 5 days. I 
guess cans of beer add up pretty quick!

Both my bikes are standard diameter tubing. A 1983 Trek 520, with 
.09/.06/.09 Reynolds 501 tubing, and a 1987 Trek Antelope with Tange 
unbutted .09 tubing. They feel pretty right to me, and I like the look of 
skinny tubes too.

Eamon
Seattle

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