Re: [RBW] Rivendell Legos!

[James Warren]

Hey hey, it’s Lego. Not “Legos”


> On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> 
> It has been 16+ years since I bought my daughter little kid/big size Legos, 
> but I seem to recall that back in the old days (he said bitterly) that Legos 
> were simply standard shapes out of which the child could build whatever he or 
> she imagined. I know that 25 years ago or so my then elementary school age 
> nephew and a couple of friends built a whole civilization out of Legos that 
> lasted several years -- I seem to recall it was a mix of violent Viking 
> barbarism and Roman jurisprudence, with its own constitution and code of 
> draconian laws. They had not heard of Boxen. Is it all theme kits nowadays?
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:35 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>> https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/the-lord-of-the-rings-rivendell-10316?icmp=HP-SHH-Standard-VIP_Hero_10316_LOTR_Rivendell_VIP_Live_HP-PR-VIP-YZ0GDAOVIG
>> 
>> Someone has to build this! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[James Warren]

When a Mason-Dixon line needs to be established in CA, it'll be called the
Safeway-Vons line.

Quiz: for any major north-south freeway or highway, what are the two cities
that straddle the Safeway-Vons line?

Related question: King City: which store do they have?

Related Cliff Claven Trivia: when I was a kid growing up in Los Angeles and
San Diego suburbs, Vons and Safeway were two different stores. In 1989 they
merged, and all of our Southern California Safeways got renamed Vons. So
many of our suburban shopping centers ended up with two Vons's as anchors
on either end when it used to be Safeway at one end and Vons at the other.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 3:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> On an entirely unrelated note, I mentioned on Twitter last week that I
> finally noticed the name, Safeway..why is it called that?? I'm informed
> that back in the olden times before FDA it was a promise of safe food. So
> there ya go.
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 3:03:35 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> The San Francisco Randonneurs are notorious for using Safeways as
>> controls on their brevets. If you know the layout for a typical Safeway,
>> you can save a lot of time hunting for your favorite rest stop snacks when
>> you’re riding with SFR.
>>
>> --Eric N
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:59 PM, Piaw Na  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> This is hilarious. I'll pile on with my brother's story. He got rejected
>> by UC Berkeley and accepted by UCLA. Not to be deterred, he wrote an appeal
>> letter that stated: "Don't let me go to UCLA. After 4 years there I won't
>> know what a tree looks like." UC Berkeley reversed its denial and enrolled
>> him.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 2:50 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Southern California: Distance expressed in time (Anaheim is 45 minutes
>>> from here)
>>>
>>> Northern California: Distance expressed in miles (Folsom is 12 miles
>>> away)
>>>
>>> And yes, up here the cities have actual edges, where you’re out in the
>>> country on the way to the next city.
>>>
>>> --Eric N, Who Moved From SoCal to NorCal 25 years Ago and Has Never
>>> Looked Back
>>>
>>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:30 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> The differentiation for me when I moved north in 1988 is there's spaces
>>> between towns in Northern California. If you grew up in LA/Orange Counties
>>> you understood towns as different signs on the same vast concrete
>>> landscape.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 2:13:42 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 I thought the way you knew Northern from Southern California was if
 people named freeways with “The”:

 “This is the 101” = you’re in Southern California

 “This is 101” = you’re in Northern California

 “That was Highway 101” = you’re listening to a classic rock station



 On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 2:01 PM Philip Williamson <
 philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you have a Safeway, you're in Northern California.
> If you've got a Vons, you're in SoCal.
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif (born in SF)
>
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:17:22 PM UTC-8 freefo...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> The Bay Area isn't Northern California says the guy from Humboldt
>> County. We have way less traffic and better air. 
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 9:54 PM Luke Hendrickson <
>> phendr...@paulpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick
>>> wrote:
>>>
 At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of
 cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of 
 the
 "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos 
 posted
 by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling 
 up
 and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and 
 roads
 equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we 
 have to
 wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not 
 really.
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Re: [RBW] Anyone run 700x50 tires on a Sam Hillborne?

[James Warren]

Hi Brenton,

Big Ben 50s are the absolute limit of what fits on my 62 cm Hillborne. Bike 
rides great with them!

You might be able to go to the Riv site and see the actual width of those tires 
as read on calipers. I’ll bet it’s something under 50 mm.

- Jimmy


> On Aug 21, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Brenton Eastman  
> wrote:
> 
> I am running 700x47 teravails on velocity dyad hoops with a ton of room. 
> I've seen people running the 700x48 Rene Herse knobbies on my same frame. 
> Mine is a 57 and the brakes have more clearance than the frame. So I'm 
> tempted by the Soma Cazadero and or Gravelking SK in a 50. Anyone flown this 
> close to the sun?!?
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Re: [RBW] Canti-Rom - 63 cm - CA Delivery

[James Warren]

Yeah Mike,

Still on the road with me till around the 17th.
Great talking to you too!


> On Aug 11, 2022, at 10:12 PM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
> 
> Is said bike still traveling with you Jim?  I converted 88 cm to inches. 
> Having a 90.5 PBH, that leaves to little clearance for the uh, gentlemen, and 
> leaves me out of the running. Dang cool bike! Great talking with you on 
> Saturday and wish you good journeys on the remainder of your holiday.
> 
> Mike SLO CA 
>> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 12:15:48 PM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>> 
>> Bump: price listed includes delivery from me to California buyer in August, 
>> with no unboxing. I’d just hand over the bike. Or make offer.
>> 
>> I have additional photos sendable to anyone interested.
>> 
>> - Jimmy Warren
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:51 AM, James Warren  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> Hi Mike,
>> 
>>> 
>>> Standover is just under 88 cm with the Panaracer 700x37s on the bike.
>>> 
>>> - Jimmy
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jim
>>>> What is the standover height on this beautiful bike?  
>>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 4:05:43 PM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi RBW Forum Friends, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Photos show a bike that’s been in my large hoard that has always gotten 
>>>>> way too few miles. (I have a Ram and a Hunq and a Hillborne and an 
>>>>> Atlantis and about 12 other bikes, so the Rom has often sat in my 
>>>>> collection as “cool to own,” but it’s a great, versatile road bike that 
>>>>> needs to get out there. I’ve taken great care of it since 2006 (when I 
>>>>> got it via trade for a Heron touring on this forum), and the frame has 
>>>>> very few scratches and is in outstanding condition. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a 93 cm PBH, so this frame is about 1 cm too small for me. The 
>>>>> long and high Nitto stem in the photos shows how I addressed it and made 
>>>>> the frame size work for me.. I have many other stems if the buyer wants a 
>>>>> different dimension stem swapped in (but that would mess up the cork bar 
>>>>> tape.) The saddle height in the photos is probably a bit lower than my 
>>>>> usual 81 cm. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Asking $1500 which includes delivery to the buyer in California. Avoiding 
>>>>> shipping is my desire, and I enjoy CA road trips in the month of August. 
>>>>> Before August 11 or 12 would be ideal. PayPal or Venmo 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Components: 
>>>>> Dia Compe canti brakes 
>>>>> Tiagra drop bar brake levers 
>>>>> Nitto stem 
>>>>> Nitto Noodle handlebar - 44 cm 
>>>>> Riv Silver bar-end shifters 
>>>>> Shimano Ultegra headset 
>>>>> Suntour XC-Pro crank triple: 46-36-24 
>>>>> 12-34 SRAM 9-speed cassette 
>>>>> Dura Ace front derailleur 
>>>>> Deore rear derailleur 
>>>>> MKS sneaker pedals 
>>>>> Thomson seatpost 
>>>>> Seller San Marcos saddle 
>>>>> Panaracer Pasela 700x37 tires 
>>>>> Rear wheel is Lesnik-built: Alex DM18 with LX hub, 36 spokes 
>>>>> Front wheel is not a Lesnik: Sun CR-18 rim and a hub labeled “Shimano”, 
>>>>> 36 spokes 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If interested, email me at: 
>>>>> jimmac...@gmail.com 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you, 
>>>>> Jim Warren, long-time Forum member 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Photos, and I have more: 
>>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Canti-Rom - 63 cm - CA Delivery

[James Warren]

Bump: price listed includes delivery from me to California buyer in August, 
with no unboxing. I’d just hand over the bike. Or make offer.

I have additional photos sendable to anyone interested.

- Jimmy Warren


> On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:51 AM, James Warren  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> Standover is just under 88 cm with the Panaracer 700x37s on the bike.
> 
> - Jimmy
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jim
>> What is the standover height on this beautiful bike?  
>> Mike SLO CA
>>> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 4:05:43 PM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi RBW Forum Friends, 
>>> 
>>> Photos show a bike that’s been in my large hoard that has always gotten way 
>>> too few miles. (I have a Ram and a Hunq and a Hillborne and an Atlantis and 
>>> about 12 other bikes, so the Rom has often sat in my collection as “cool to 
>>> own,” but it’s a great, versatile road bike that needs to get out there. 
>>> I’ve taken great care of it since 2006 (when I got it via trade for a Heron 
>>> touring on this forum), and the frame has very few scratches and is in 
>>> outstanding condition. 
>>> 
>>> I have a 93 cm PBH, so this frame is about 1 cm too small for me. The long 
>>> and high Nitto stem in the photos shows how I addressed it and made the 
>>> frame size work for me.. I have many other stems if the buyer wants a 
>>> different dimension stem swapped in (but that would mess up the cork bar 
>>> tape.) The saddle height in the photos is probably a bit lower than my 
>>> usual 81 cm. 
>>> 
>>> Asking $1500 which includes delivery to the buyer in California. Avoiding 
>>> shipping is my desire, and I enjoy CA road trips in the month of August. 
>>> Before August 11 or 12 would be ideal. PayPal or Venmo 
>>> 
>>> Components: 
>>> Dia Compe canti brakes 
>>> Tiagra drop bar brake levers 
>>> Nitto stem 
>>> Nitto Noodle handlebar - 44 cm 
>>> Riv Silver bar-end shifters 
>>> Shimano Ultegra headset 
>>> Suntour XC-Pro crank triple: 46-36-24 
>>> 12-34 SRAM 9-speed cassette 
>>> Dura Ace front derailleur 
>>> Deore rear derailleur 
>>> MKS sneaker pedals 
>>> Thomson seatpost 
>>> Seller San Marcos saddle 
>>> Panaracer Pasela 700x37 tires 
>>> Rear wheel is Lesnik-built: Alex DM18 with LX hub, 36 spokes 
>>> Front wheel is not a Lesnik: Sun CR-18 rim and a hub labeled “Shimano”, 36 
>>> spokes 
>>> 
>>> If interested, email me at: 
>>> jimmac...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> Thank you, 
>>> Jim Warren, long-time Forum member 
>>> 
>>> Photos, and I have more: 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Canti-Rom - 63 cm - CA only

[James Warren]

Hi Mike,

Standover is just under 88 cm with the Panaracer 700x37s on the bike.

- Jimmy

> On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim
> What is the standover height on this beautiful bike?  
> Mike SLO CA
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 4:05:43 PM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:
> 
> Hi RBW Forum Friends, 
> 
> Photos show a bike that’s been in my large hoard that has always gotten way 
> too few miles. (I have a Ram and a Hunq and a Hillborne and an Atlantis and 
> about 12 other bikes, so the Rom has often sat in my collection as “cool to 
> own,” but it’s a great, versatile road bike that needs to get out there. I’ve 
> taken great care of it since 2006 (when I got it via trade for a Heron 
> touring on this forum), and the frame has very few scratches and is in 
> outstanding condition. 
> 
> I have a 93 cm PBH, so this frame is about 1 cm too small for me. The long 
> and high Nitto stem in the photos shows how I addressed it and made the frame 
> size work for me.. I have many other stems if the buyer wants a different 
> dimension stem swapped in (but that would mess up the cork bar tape.) The 
> saddle height in the photos is probably a bit lower than my usual 81 cm. 
> 
> Asking $1500 which includes delivery to the buyer in California. Avoiding 
> shipping is my desire, and I enjoy CA road trips in the month of August. 
> Before August 11 or 12 would be ideal. PayPal or Venmo 
> 
> Components: 
> Dia Compe canti brakes 
> Tiagra drop bar brake levers 
> Nitto stem 
> Nitto Noodle handlebar - 44 cm 
> Riv Silver bar-end shifters 
> Shimano Ultegra headset 
> Suntour XC-Pro crank triple: 46-36-24 
> 12-34 SRAM 9-speed cassette 
> Dura Ace front derailleur 
> Deore rear derailleur 
> MKS sneaker pedals 
> Thomson seatpost 
> Seller San Marcos saddle 
> Panaracer Pasela 700x37 tires 
> Rear wheel is Lesnik-built: Alex DM18 with LX hub, 36 spokes 
> Front wheel is not a Lesnik: Sun CR-18 rim and a hub labeled “Shimano”, 36 
> spokes 
> 
> If interested, email me at: 
> jimmac...@gmail.com  
> 
> Thank you, 
> Jim Warren, long-time Forum member 
> 
> Photos, and I have more: 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Riv Enthusiast at Midnight Oil show

[James Warren]

I plead guilty on all counts! Great to meet you outside the concert, Ben! Sweet 
Rammy!


> On Jun 8, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> 
> Wow, Mike!!!
> 
> Notwithstanding the legend of the RPV Oil/RBW superfan, I was **also** in SLO 
> over the Mem Day weekend (regrets, it was but a quick lunch stop), and lookie 
> what I spotted - who dis?!?
> 
> (bad bike-pile photo / am sure everyone here is capable of the quick forensic 
> reading to recognize "ONE OF US")
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:38 AM Mike Godwin  > wrote:
> Cool
> I was at the local Ace Hardware here in San Luis Obispo, and got comments on 
> my BMC Monstercross from Rivvy folks. So, yes I have a Riv too. Jarrod and 
> Ariel (howdy!) We chatted in the parking lot for a while, apparently standing 
> too close to a parking spot that a giant SUV with Texas plates was trying to 
> park in. Couldn't they have just moved 50 ft along and found one of the many 
> empty parking spots?  I digress, but it was nice running into some new folks 
> in town. And two blocks later, ran into Mitch B on his Atlantis (Hi Mitch). 
> Good Riv day in windy-as-heck San Luis Obispo.
> 
> Mike supposed to be at work in warm and windy SLO CA
> 
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:07:12 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> Hey Everybody!
> Last night I rode my Rambouillet to see Midnight Oil play in Los Angeles. 
> While looking for a safe place to lock up, a man in line approached me 
> because he was also a big RIv fan. We chatted, took pictures, but I can't 
> remember his name. I think he said he lives in Palos Verdes.
> 
> Anyway, Palos Verdes Midnight OIl superfan Riv dude. If you're here. say hi! 
> I've been meaning to try to make an L.A. area Riv enthusiast ride happen. 
> Maybe this is a good sign!
> 
> Cheers!
> Ben
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Re: [RBW] : Seatposts Most NEW - Nitto Shimano Salsa Suntour Enve Easton

[James Warren]

David, never mind. I don’t want black.

Sorry

And sorry whole list, I meant to send to David privately. That Reply command 
always gets me.


> On Nov 9, 2021, at 5:29 AM, David Hallerman  wrote:
> 
> Hello and good morning -
> 
> Here are 14 seatposts for sale, most either brand new or nearly new. Sizes 
> range from 26.8mm to 31.6mm Note that I do not have specified offset/setback 
> for the older seatposts, but the Shimano/Salsa/Suntour are offset by about 
> 20-25mm.
> 
> Prices include shipping in CONUS if buyer covers the Paypal fees. Photos 
> available on request.
> 
> Dave, who notes that the super rare XTR M910 seatpost is simply the classic 
> Dura-Ace 7410 seatpost but with a longer shaft and a different decal
> 
> Hudson Valley NY
> 
> P.S. The heads on both the Suntour and Salsa posts are among the best ever at 
> making it easy and accurate to adjust saddle angle.
> 
> 27.2mm
> 1. Suntour XC Pro 27.2mm silver/grey 300mm = $125 NEW
> 2. Shimano Dura-Ace (7410) 27.2mm silver 270mm = $150 NEW
> 3. Shimano XTR (M910) 27.2mm silver 270mm = $195 NEW
> 4. Easton EA90 27.2mm black 350mm 20mm offset = $75 NEW
> 5. Velo-Orange Grand Cru 27.2mm silver 300mm 30mm offset = $75 NEW
> 
> 26.8mm
> 6. Nitto S83 26.8mm black 300mm 20mm offset = $125 NEW
> 7. Shimano Dura-Ace (7410) 26.8mm silver 270mm = $150 excellent
> 8. Ritchey Comp 26.8mm black 400mm = $40 excellent
> 9. Salsa Shaft 26.8mm silver 250mm = $45 good
> 
> 31.6mm
> 10. RaceFace Next 31.6mm carbon 400mm 0mm offset = $55 excellent
> 11. Enve Gen2 31.6mm carbon 400mm 25mm offset = $185 NEW (clamp disassembled)
> 12. Velo-Orange Grand Cru 31.6mm silver 400mm 16mm offset = $45 NEW
> 
> 27.0mm
> 13. Suntour XC Pro 27.0mm silver/grey 300mm = $75 near-new
> 14. Salsa Shaft 27.0mm black 350mm = $95 NEW
> 
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Re: [RBW] : Seatposts Most NEW - Nitto Shimano Salsa Suntour Enve Easton

[James Warren]

David,

May I buy your Nitto S83 in 26.8?

- Jim

> On Nov 9, 2021, at 5:29 AM, David Hallerman  wrote:
> 
> Hello and good morning -
> 
> Here are 14 seatposts for sale, most either brand new or nearly new. Sizes 
> range from 26.8mm to 31.6mm Note that I do not have specified offset/setback 
> for the older seatposts, but the Shimano/Salsa/Suntour are offset by about 
> 20-25mm.
> 
> Prices include shipping in CONUS if buyer covers the Paypal fees. Photos 
> available on request.
> 
> Dave, who notes that the super rare XTR M910 seatpost is simply the classic 
> Dura-Ace 7410 seatpost but with a longer shaft and a different decal
> 
> Hudson Valley NY
> 
> P.S. The heads on both the Suntour and Salsa posts are among the best ever at 
> making it easy and accurate to adjust saddle angle.
> 
> 27.2mm
> 1. Suntour XC Pro 27.2mm silver/grey 300mm = $125 NEW
> 2. Shimano Dura-Ace (7410) 27.2mm silver 270mm = $150 NEW
> 3. Shimano XTR (M910) 27.2mm silver 270mm = $195 NEW
> 4. Easton EA90 27.2mm black 350mm 20mm offset = $75 NEW
> 5. Velo-Orange Grand Cru 27.2mm silver 300mm 30mm offset = $75 NEW
> 
> 26.8mm
> 6. Nitto S83 26.8mm black 300mm 20mm offset = $125 NEW
> 7. Shimano Dura-Ace (7410) 26.8mm silver 270mm = $150 excellent
> 8. Ritchey Comp 26.8mm black 400mm = $40 excellent
> 9. Salsa Shaft 26.8mm silver 250mm = $45 good
> 
> 31.6mm
> 10. RaceFace Next 31.6mm carbon 400mm 0mm offset = $55 excellent
> 11. Enve Gen2 31.6mm carbon 400mm 25mm offset = $185 NEW (clamp disassembled)
> 12. Velo-Orange Grand Cru 31.6mm silver 400mm 16mm offset = $45 NEW
> 
> 27.0mm
> 13. Suntour XC Pro 27.0mm silver/grey 300mm = $75 near-new
> 14. Salsa Shaft 27.0mm black 350mm = $95 NEW
> 
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Re: [RBW] 2014 Side Pull Sam Questions

[James Warren]

Ben,

I'd have to do some research to answer all of your questions, but first I'd
like to point out that my Sam is a 62 cm from 2014, and it just might be
bicycle perfection. I hope you enjoy yours, and I really think you will.

I do recall that circa 2013-14, some Sams were painted single-color, some
of which were greyish blue and then later sage. I thought they looked
pretty good. I seem to recall your single-color sage looked great.

Enjoy!
-Jimmy

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 6:13 AM Ben Mihovk  wrote:

> Good morning!
> I have purchased (and am picking up after work today) a 62cm Sage Green
> Sam and I am really excited about it! I used the Wayback Machine to double
> check what Riv would have sized me in (seller bought at the end of 2013)
> and I've read Grant's "Reintroduction of Sam Hillborne" a thousand times.
> I've done a BOAT LOAD of web searches and dug through this group and there
> are two things I can't seem to find out...
>
> 1. Why might the head tubes not be painted cream on some of the sage green
> bikes? The pictures I keep seeing seem to only picture the 62cm Sage
> without a cream head tube. The bike I purchased is the same (which made me
> think the bike was older than stated until I found those pictures).
>
> 2. Does the geometry I'm seeing for the 2017 Sams line up with where they
> were in late 2013-14? I'm 100% positive that I got the right size, just
> curious to poke around on Bike Insights.
>
> If you know more about either question, I'd appreciate anything you have
> to add!
>
> Thanks!
> Ben in Omaha
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Re: [RBW] Roadini or Homer

[James Warren]

Bones,

I have a Homer, Hillborne, and Rambouillet.

The Homer and Hillborne are closer to the same than the Homer and Ram are. My 
guess is that you didn’t overshoot. Homer and Hillborne are both country bikes. 
Let’s say I were to settle on two bikes and wanted one to be a light feeling 
“road bike.” If I had a Roadini, I’d have that covered, and Sam could by my 
country bike.

Enjoy,
Jimmy

> On Sep 23, 2021, at 7:38 AM, Bones  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my particular 
> situation:
> 
> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 
> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It serves 
> the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always felt a bit 
> too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding on roads with 
> light loads). 
> 
> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer would 
> be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, without 
> having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on Quills --> 
> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without using 
> P-clamps.
> 
> Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt for 
> me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be 
> losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain in 
> functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I just 
> want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I 
> experience with the Roadini.
> 
> Any insight is much appreciated!
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ride Report: 2021 Rivendell Bicycle Works Appreciation Pedalpalooza Ride

[James Warren]

The Jackalope!


> On Aug 22, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for sharing the photos and therefore letting us look in on this 
> fun event! I would have loved to attend - looks like you guys had a nice 
> turnout and a great time. Two Platypuses and a coral Hunq! Wow!
> 
>> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 9:21:50 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote:
>> This past Saturday, my partner Greg and I led the RBW Appreciation 
>> Pedalpalooza Ride in Portland, OR. Pedalpalooza is a regular summer event 
>> here and it's basically fun bike rides about anything, led by anyone. 
>> Usually it's only in June but this year it was June-August. It has been so 
>> fun this summer and a great way to feel connected to the bike community 
>> during COVID. It's meant a lot to me this year.
>> 
>> Greg  and I noticed there wasn't a Riv-themed ride like there had been in  
>> years past, so we decided to lead one! It was so hot and muggy on  Saturday, 
>> so we weren't sure how many people would come, but I was so  happy to see 
>> about 30 folks waiting for us at the start point in Creston  Park. After 
>> saying hi to people and admiring bikes, we had a round of  Riv trivia before 
>> heading to Coffee Beer for refreshments. Then we biked  along the Willamette 
>> River, with another trivia stop on the Esplanade.
>> 
>> Meandering  up to N Williams Ave, we had a shade stop at Dawson Park, then 
>> rode up  to Golden Pliers for refreshments and to visit our local Riv 
>> dealer.  Kevin and Becky are absolutely the best and they were so excited to 
>> see  all the bikes. I was super excited to cool off in the AC in the shop 
>> for  a bit!
>> 
>> At this point, we were down to about 10 people (as expected-we'd ridden 
>> about 9 miles in mid-90s mugginess) but we had our last round of trivia and 
>> then a few of us rode  to the Skidmore Bluffs to enjoy our drinks and hang 
>> out in the shade.
>> 
>> Overall  everything went so much better than I hoped! Riv people are really 
>> so nice, and this group was no exception. I got to meet a lot of folks IRL  
>> that I knew from online, and even the leader of previous Riv-themed  rides. 
>> Greg and I are already planning on doing another Riv ride in the fall and I 
>> really hope it will not be so hot so we can all wear our wool. :)
>> 
>> Link to check out photos of the ride!
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Heron Road Complete Bike - Dark Green

[James Warren]

Bike is sold.

Thank you, everyone.


> On Jul 25, 2021, at 12:35 AM, James Warren  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Long time forum member and Riv rider here.
> 
> This Heron Road has very low miles and extremely few scratches. No dents or 
> abuse. Close to pristine. The reason it's been so rarely ridden is I have a 
> LOT of bikes (quite a few great Rivs) and and having fun building this up,, I 
> never stopped riding my Rambouillet. This bike needs an owner that will ride 
> it, and my home needs space. It has less than 50 miles on it. Those Roly Poly 
> tires are what I mounted when built up the frame in early 2009. Then it’s 
> been stored inside, and the tires show low use.
> 
> The Heron frame was bought directly from Heron (when owned by Todd Kuzma,) 
> 2008.
> 
> Heron frame size is 64 cm. TT slopes up 2 degrees.
> 
> Heron complete bike includes everything in the photo except the water bottle 
> cages. I can include Shimano A520 pedals if interested. Those are Lesnik 
> wheels Mavic MA3 rims, DT, Rivendell Roly Poly tires, Ultegra hubs. Mavic 
> triple 110/74 BCD crank, XT rear derailleur with a 10-speed cassette (11-34), 
> a Suntour XC front derailleur, Nitto Soba handlebar, Nitto Tech deluxe stem, 
> Ultegra 10-speed brifters, Shimano 105 brakes. Price is $1500. The price 
> includes shipping or possibly direct delivery.
> 
> Thanks for looking,
> Jim Warren
> 
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[RBW] Re: 62 cm Appaloosa Frameset (Dark Green) and Seatpost and BB

[James Warren]

Frame is sold.

Thank you, everyone.


> On Jul 25, 2021, at 12:22 AM, James Warren  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Long-time forum member and Riv rider here.
> 
> This Appaloosa frameset has very low miles and extremely few scratches. No 
> dents or abuse. Close to pristine. (One photo shows two little white dot 
> scratches on the seat stay; all I can find so far.) The reason this has been 
> so rarely ridden is I have a LOT of bikes (quite a few great Rivs) and this 
> was an impulse buy that I never got around to putting heavily in the 
> rotation. It needs a home, and my home needs space. The frame has less than 
> 100 miles ridden as a built up bike.
> 
> This was bought directly from Riv in 2017.
> 
> Size is 62 cm.
> Price is $1300. The price includes shipping or possibly direct delivery. (It 
> also includes a Kalloy-like seat post, not shown in the photo and the bottom 
> bracket and headset.)
> 
> Thanks for looking,
> Jim Warren
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 62cm Hunqapillar f/f/hs + extras -- 1st gen, grey/kidney bean, $1,500

[James Warren]

Unsolicited chime-in here. I have a Hunq of that era, and sometimes I think 
it’s an extension of my body. Just a great, great frame. A huge number of 
activities of the past 8 summers have almost been defined by it.


> On Jul 6, 2021, at 12:29 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> Just bumping this. A lot of interest but no takers yet. To answer one common 
> question: my PBH, as best as I can remember (it's been about 10 years since I 
> measured it), is ~96cm, but I run my saddle lower than the Rivendell 
> recommendation. Let me know if I can answer any other questions!
> 
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
> 
>> On Sunday, June 27, 2021 at 12:31:23 PM UTC-7 Jeremy Till wrote:
>> I find myself with one too many bicycles and it's a last in, first out kind 
>> of situation. For sale is a 62cm Hunqapillar frame, fork, and FSA Orbit 
>> headset, and I will throw in the Thomson Elite seatpost and Velo Orange 63mm 
>> fluted fenders. I bought the frame/fork/headset used last summer, built it 
>> up and rode it occasionally for the past ~9 months. The seatpost and fenders 
>> were new as of last Fall. The fenders are basically installed, and include a 
>> hole in the front fender that lines up with the eyelet on a Nitto 32F front 
>> rack for more support. 
>> 
>> Stated geometry can be found here: https://flic.kr/p/7NnxMg
>> That also links to the Hunqapillar group on Flickr, which has a number of 
>> shots from the original flyer with other useful information. I suspect that 
>> the top tube is slightly longer than the stated geometry, just from 
>> comparing its fit against my other similarly sized bikes. Being a first 
>> generation, its tire clearance is more limited than the later generations. I 
>> would say it fits 700x52/29x2.1" without fenders, 700x45 or maybe slightly 
>> wider with fenders, depending on rim width. 
>> 
>> It's biggest imperfection is a large chainsuck scar on the drive side 
>> chainstay, which was preexisting when I acquired it. Before building it up I 
>> sanded it smooth and hit with some spray on clear coat to discourage rust. 
>> In my formerly professional opinion it's not structural concern, but like 
>> most things, good to keep an eye on. See picture at the link below below. 
>> Aside from that there are a couple of very small shellac drips on the top 
>> and diagatube, otherwise in really good shape.  
>> 
>> Pictures of what's for sale here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmW5Fche
>> Pictures of it built up: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmQUkEX8 
>> My saddle height is around 790mm for reference.
>> 
>> Asking $1,500 for everything pictured. I'm located in Sacramento, CA and 
>> would be happy to do a local exchange here or in the SF Bay Area. Can also 
>> ship at buyer's expense.  
>> 
>> Missed out on an Appaloosa? Curious about older, shorter-chainstayed, fat 
>> tire Rivs? Now's your chance. 
>> 
>> -Jeremy Till
>> Sacramento, CA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Ride Quality Difference between the Atlantis and Clem H?

[James Warren]

I’m an Atlantis owner and a family member of a Clem owner, which I have ridden. 
Disclaimer: that Clem is 2 cm above my ideal size.

If it were me, I’d save up and get an Atlantis, especially if pre-owned. A used 
one probably has less tire room, but still has a lot of tire room, and the 
newest ones, according to the Riv site fit 2.4”, which I think matches the 
Clem. And it rides better, more efficient. It’s all around a more versatile 
bike if you’re looking for a do-all with road-riding in mind as well as trails.

And even if you find one of the oldest models (mine’s generation 1 from 2000) 
the tire clearance will still be close to 2”. And the tire room only got better 
as the model evolved from 2000 to now.

I’ve used my Atlantis for every kind of riding I enjoy (which does not include 
steep downhill fast rocky mountain biking!)

Touring - amazing
Dirt road bike packing - amazing
Commuting - amazing
Cross country mountain biking and dirt climbing - amazing
Drop bar road riding - very good

- Jimmy W.

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 7:33 AM, max.c@gmail.com  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey all, I am a wannabe Riv owner. One day, when the mood of my wife and bank 
> account align...at least that's my hope. 
> 
> I browse a lot of used listings and sometimes will see a deal pop up that I'm 
> interested in, but feel like I don't have enough info to confidently 
> purchase. Looking for some insight especially from those who have ridden 
> multiple Riv models.
> 
> I have a special nostalgia for the Rivendell Atlantis -- the color, the 
> geometry; it just seems like my dream bike and I don't have a justification. 
> The price is steep, though. I have been curious what the difference in ride 
> quality is when compared with the Clem H, as that's more in my price range 
> and I see used ones come up for sale much more frequently. Obviously it's a 
> different look and I'm missing lugs, etc, but it does have those crazy long 
> stays. What's the difference in ride quality? Especially if I'm riding 
> upright.
> 
> A couple of notes: I live in very flat Dallas, I primarily use my bike as a 
> commuter (towing my HappiSack) with a 10 mile radius but would also like to 
> do some light touring. My preferred set up is riding upright.
> 
> If anyone else would care to weigh in with a comparison between the ride 
> quality of the Atlantis and other Riv models, I'd be interested in those too! 
> Just trying to arm myself with information in a market where I often am 
> shopping online and unable to try before I buy.
> 
> Thanks,
> Max
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Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne

[James Warren]

That's interesting, because the Rambouillet TT is also 60 cm. Whatever your
handlebar height is on the Poprad and JPWeigle, for the same stem, I'd have
to think it'll be a lot higher with a 64 cm Ram. In addition to it being a
bigger frame, Rams bring the handlebar up compared to level top tubes by
virtue of that 2 degree TT rise. Also, the head tube lug is vertically
extended, which adds even more height. Do the Poprad and JPWeigle have
level top tubes? Also, do you know your preferred saddle height. Saddle
height can be a great indicator of a Riv that fits.

Mine is 81 cm, and a 64 cm Ram is almost just right for me. 65 cm is
probably my ideal, but they never made that.

And my best size for a 6 degree Riv is 61.5 cm.

On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 3:40 PM bob saunders 
wrote:

> Wow...thanks for the help as it sounds like I need to do some homework. I
> have an offer of a 64cm Ram, but I am trying to equate the geometry to my
> other bikes...a 59cm Lemond Poprad and a 57.5 x 60 JPWeigle roadie. The
> Weigle’s top tube length is a better fit for me on longer rides.
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 5:29:19 PM UTC-4 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>
>> Ram: 2 degrees of TT upslope
>> Sam: 6 degrees of TT upslope
>>
>> At that frame size, every one degree adds 1 cm of head tube height. So on
>> paper, the handlebar height of a 60 cm Sam is about the same as a 64 cm Ram.
>>
>> The "new" sizing regime of Rivs with the 6 degrees of TT upslope was new
>> around when the Sams were introduced, maybe 13 years ago? Bombadil was also
>> the new bike bike around that time that pioneered the new greater TT angle.
>>
>> Before that, the models tended to be around 2 degrees. Ram was never made
>> again after the "expanded" frame geometry was unleashed, so Rams are all 2
>> degrees. (AHH's, on the other hand, have come in both styles, depending on
>> when made. And logic says the same is true of Atlantis, although in the old
>> days, the Atlantis was a wild one with 2.5 degrees (!) of TT upslope. For
>> AHH and Atlantis, the switch to Made In Taiwan is also the switch from low
>> angle to high angle.)
>>
>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:13 AM James Warren  wrote:
>>
>>> Eric is right. I've owned both a 64 cm Ram and a 60 cm Sam and both fit
>>> me.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 7:30 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think those two frames would fit very differently. The Ram has
>>>> traditional road geo, so maybe a 64cm Ram would be equivalent to a 60cm
>>>> Sam.
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, May 21, 2021, bob saunders  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello...I’m looking for a 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne...complete
>>>>> bike or frame is ok. Located in the PNW but shipping work too. Thanks
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Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne

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Ram: 2 degrees of TT upslope
Sam: 6 degrees of TT upslope

At that frame size, every one degree adds 1 cm of head tube height. So on
paper, the handlebar height of a 60 cm Sam is about the same as a 64 cm Ram.

The "new" sizing regime of Rivs with the 6 degrees of TT upslope was new
around when the Sams were introduced, maybe 13 years ago? Bombadil was also
the new bike bike around that time that pioneered the new greater TT angle.

Before that, the models tended to be around 2 degrees. Ram was never made
again after the "expanded" frame geometry was unleashed, so Rams are all 2
degrees. (AHH's, on the other hand, have come in both styles, depending on
when made. And logic says the same is true of Atlantis, although in the old
days, the Atlantis was a wild one with 2.5 degrees (!) of TT upslope. For
AHH and Atlantis, the switch to Made In Taiwan is also the switch from low
angle to high angle.)

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:13 AM James Warren  wrote:

> Eric is right. I've owned both a 64 cm Ram and a 60 cm Sam and both fit me.
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 7:30 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> I think those two frames would fit very differently. The Ram has
>> traditional road geo, so maybe a 64cm Ram would be equivalent to a 60cm
>> Sam.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Friday, May 21, 2021, bob saunders  wrote:
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>>> Hello...I’m looking for a 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne...complete
>>> bike or frame is ok. Located in the PNW but shipping work too. Thanks
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Re: [RBW] WTB 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne

[James Warren]

Eric is right. I've owned both a 64 cm Ram and a 60 cm Sam and both fit me.

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 7:30 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

> I think those two frames would fit very differently. The Ram has
> traditional road geo, so maybe a 64cm Ram would be equivalent to a 60cm
> Sam.
>
> Eric
>
> On Friday, May 21, 2021, bob saunders  wrote:
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>> Hello...I’m looking for a 60cm Rambouillet or Sam Hillborne...complete
>> bike or frame is ok. Located in the PNW but shipping work too. Thanks
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Re: [RBW] FOR SALE: Custom Rivendell Road Bike

[James Warren]

Hi Helen,

If the bike is still available, I’d like to buy it.

-James Warren
(310) 707-3637

> On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:24 PM, hm_w...@hotmail.com  
> wrote:
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> 
> -Curt Goodrich built Rivendell Road bike with custom paint by Joe Bell
> -Phil Wood hubs built to Sun CR18 rims
> -SHIMANO Deore XT m772 rear derailer
> -Deore XT cantilever brakes
> -Nitto handlebars and stem
> -Silver bar-end shifters
> 
> Immaculately cared for.  Stored in climate controlled garage.
> Located in Pacific Northwest.
> 
> Asking $2000, plus shipping if applicable.
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[RBW] Orange Roadini sighted Palos Verdes, CA, 4/24/21

[James Warren]

Great looking orange Roadini, drop bars, and bar end shifters. Near Malaga Cove 
Plaza on Palos Verdes Drive West. I was envious as I was in a hurry for 
something work-related, and I had to drive by wishing I was out riding. I hope 
the ride was good; a few good ones to be had in the area. This was Saturday, 
4/24.

- Jimmy W.

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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne frame size?

[James Warren]

Jim,

Before Riv started offering frames with 6 degree top tube upslope, the top tube 
upslope was roughly 2 degrees. This was the Riv norm from 1994 until whenever 
the Bombadil came along (’07, ’08?, I don’t remember the exact year.) Atlantis 
had 2.5 degrees, AHH had 1.5 degrees, many other models had 2 degrees.

With those 2 degree frames, my ideal size is 64 and 65 cm, and that’s what I 
rode before Bombadil and Hillborne came along with the 6 degree upslope.

Then in 2010, I got a 60 cm Hillborne, I found that I could make that size work 
well for me. When they started offering the frames with more upslope to the top 
tubes, they called it “Expanded Geometry.” It’s ended up being a really good 
thing, because I’m pretty sure it improves the dirt capability.

Enjoy your Hillborne! Amazing frames


> On Apr 17, 2021, at 9:06 PM, Jim McPherson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. It’s 60cm alright. Cheers
> 
>> On Apr 17, 2021, at 2:19 PM, James Warren  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Center of bottom bracket to top of seat lug
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Finnegan >> <mailto:mcp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How can I tell the size of the Sam Hillborne frame? I don't see any size on 
>>> the paint anywhere, the Riv website doesn't have specs for the size I'm 
>>> looking at (60cm--the largest Sam they offer in 2021, apparently). Could be 
>>> a 58 or 57 though, not sure.
>>> 
>>> I tried measuring the top tube length, but from where? Maybe the middle of 
>>> the seat tube to where the top tube connects with the head tube? Or to the 
>>> middle of the head tube too? Or just the length between the tubes? How long 
>>> should it be on the new 60cm frame?
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Riv pros. 
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne frame size?

[James Warren]

Center of bottom bracket to top of seat lug


> On Apr 14, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Finnegan  wrote:
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> How can I tell the size of the Sam Hillborne frame? I don't see any size on 
> the paint anywhere, the Riv website doesn't have specs for the size I'm 
> looking at (60cm--the largest Sam they offer in 2021, apparently). Could be a 
> 58 or 57 though, not sure.
> 
> I tried measuring the top tube length, but from where? Maybe the middle of 
> the seat tube to where the top tube connects with the head tube? Or to the 
> middle of the head tube too? Or just the length between the tubes? How long 
> should it be on the new 60cm frame?
> 
> Thanks, Riv pros. 
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Re: [RBW] Selling my Green Sam Hillborne

[James Warren]

Man, what a great bike! (Not my size)

Hillbornes ride so well, pavement or dirt. And cool original color and great 
lugs!


> On Jan 10, 2021, at 2:25 PM, Brendan Willard in SF  wrote:
> 
> This Sam has mixed it up in some terrain, but it’s good to go for many, many 
> more miles. Don’t expect perfection, but everything works as it should. It’s 
> a great bike, and it’s a little too small for me (5’11” & 86cm PBH). 
> 
> Pictures Here 
> 
> 
> Riv calls it a 51cm frame. 55cm effective top tube. 
> VO triple Cranks 170mm
> Deore RD
> Campy Mirage FD
> New KMC chain
> Rich Lesnik built LX to Velocity Synergy wheels
> Tektro CR 720 Cantis
> Dia Compe Tech 77 levers
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> Unknown bars
> NItto Technomic Stem
> Tange Headset
> Silver seatpost. 
> Sim Works Homage 650b x 43mm tires
> New shift cables and housing
> New Brake pads
> Sad Brooks included
> Crapform pedals included
> 
> I have a stupid huge pile of parts if you want to go another direction with 
> this bike, and we can add/subtract stuff as we haggle, but please know what 
> you’re looking for so we can keep it Rico Suave. 
> 
> Preference to local sales. Mask up if you’re coming to test ride.
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Re: [RBW] Hi & Questions...

[James Warren]

Philip,

If you don’t need tires bigger than 700x48, the Sam Hillborne can do anything 
and feels fastest of the Rivs I ride (Ram, Atlantis, Hunqapillar, Quickbeam.)

In theory, the Ram should feel fastest and maybe is, but my comfort with 
Albatross handlebar and the bigger tires for the mixed terrains has me happier 
for longer on the Hillborne. I might psychologically covert that to “feeling 
faster” over the long haul.

Hillbornes are amazing. But the question of tire size limitation is key.

-Jimmy


> On Dec 26, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Lester Lammers  wrote:
> 
> 
> I see that James at Analog Cycles, a Riv dealer, also has Kona bikes. Given 
> the images above, I'd email him before you decide. My 2 cents.
> 
> https://analogcycles.com/ 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:47:26 AM UTC-5 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> Still chewing on this cud! When I spoke to Riv they recommended the 
>> Appaloosa too, however isn't that more touring orientated (per Riv's own 
>> website)? Forgive the stock photos but these are the actual trails I will be 
>> riding in addition to the A roads thru farm tracks. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 1:34:11 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>> Welcome to the group, Philip!
>>> 
>>> Before I got my Appaloosa, I rode a 1985 Stumpjumper. The Stumpjumper was 
>>> the modern, big-boy version of my old Schwinn and rode like a sports 
>>> car--it was wonderfully responsive and nimble, and was perfect for someone 
>>> with a spirited style of riding, but as I got older I realized my riding 
>>> style had changed.
>>> 
>>> When I began researching bikes, I test-drove the Atlantis, the A. Homer 
>>> Hilsen, the Sam Hillborne, and the Appaloosa. The AHH and the Sam had a 
>>> light "road-and-town" country feel, while the Appaloosa and Atlantis felt 
>>> like heavier cruiser/touring bikes. I bought an Atlantis frame for a build, 
>>> but then I found a complete ride-ready Appaloosa so I sold the Stumpjumper 
>>> and the Atlantis.
>>> 
>>> I didn't fully appreciate the Appaloosa's design until I rode it 
>>> immediately after riding the Stumpjumper--of the two, I much prefer the 
>>> Appaloosa's cruiser-like ride to the Stumpjumper's dirt-bike quickness. The 
>>> Appaloosa's ride is perfect for my nearly-upright style of running errands, 
>>> and long-distance rides on roads and dirt. I'm also tall, with long legs, 
>>> so the Appaloosa's longer wheelbase and lower center of gravity are welcome 
>>> upgrades from the sporty bikes I rode in my younger days.
>>> 
>>> Ultimately I think you'll be happy with the Appaloosa, AHH, Sam, or 
>>> Atlantis for the rides you're describing. Please keep us posted, and send 
>>> photos--the west coast of Scotland sounds like a fantastic trip!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 3, 2020, at 6:03 AM, Philip Barrett  wrote:
 
 New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson bike 
 already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
 something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
 the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
 graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
 like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
 comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
 overnights.
 
 From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam Hillborne 
 or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also 
 recommended the Appaloosa.
 
 I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
 thanks in advance for any advice you can give.
 
>>> 
 
 
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[RBW] Switch from Brooks B17 to Brooks Cambium C17 - Does the seat slide further back

[James Warren]

Hi All,

I had a Brooks B17 (copper rivet nice one) on my Hunqapillar. I just
changed to a C17. I tried to measure to see if where I sit on the seat is
now further to the rear of the bike if both saddles are as far back on
their rails as they can be. But it's a little hard to measure in order to
be quantitative.

But when riding the bike, I feel like maybe I am sitting further back to
the rear now. Or is it an illusion?

Has anyone else had this feeling or experience or success actually
measuring this comparison?

Thank you,
Jimmy Warren

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Re: [RBW] How large of a tire will a Sam Hillborne actually fit

[James Warren]

Do you have the canti version? I have side pull, and I don’t think I could do 
fenders with Snoqualmie Pass tires. Fenders and Barlow Pass 38 is excellent 
though.

> On Nov 8, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Mark Allen  wrote:
> 
> For anyone interested in the max size with fenders, the 44mm Rene Herse 
> Snoqualmie Pass under Velo Orange 52mm Zeppelin fenders fit my 2018 Hillborne 
> perfectly, but I don't think I could go any larger for either component.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 10:03:19 AM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
> To repeat what others have said, 48-50 really is the comfortable limit on my 
> 18'. I'm running 43mm and the SKS fenders are TIGHT, especially on the rear. 
> I know normally bike brands normally pad the max clearance to prevent 
> warranty claims, but Riv hasn't on this model. It really can't go much 
> bigger. 
> 
> - Nathan
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Re: [RBW] How large of a tire will a Sam Hillborne actually fit

[James Warren]

Big Ben 50’s under sidepull brakes on a Hillborne. That is absolutely the 
limit. But it worked and rode great.

This is on a 2TT greyish blue 62 cm frame bought in 2014.

-Jimmy

> On Nov 6, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Ray Varella  wrote:
> 
> I’ve seen the limit listed as 47-48mm without fenders on the Riv site but I 
> suspect some of you have pushed the limits. 
> How fat did you go?
> 
> Thank you 
> Ray
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Re: [RBW] Sam Hillborne vintage

[James Warren]

Your Sam is from batch of orange when the head tube was not cream. It was the 
second color since Sams first came out.

And your Sam’s vintage is excellent. I used to have one until I replaced it 
with a newer Sam frame!



> On Nov 5, 2020, at 5:32 AM, Randall Rupp  wrote:
> 
> I have a Sam Hillborne that I got through this list sometime 2012, it's 
> orange with side pull brakes, but the headtube is not filled in with the 
> cream color like all the other one's I've seen.  It's just orange like the 
> rest of the bike.  Was that a one batch mistake or were the early ones 
> produced that way?
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Re: [RBW] Re: AHH max tire width and touring ability

[James Warren]

Ah yes, Bill advises well. What you can do for safety while you have this
rack is loop a strap from the rack to the stem and make sure it has
tension. (I use a John's Irish strap for this purpose.) Then if there is
any rack breakage, the rack won't move down and stop the wheel and cause a
crash.

And your bike photo is amazing. It makes me want to go ride. Your bike
model is what the Bike Snob has been enjoying for maybe a year now, and
he's done quite a few blog entries about it.

-Jimmy

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:53 AM Nathan Phipps  wrote:

> Good looking out, Bill. I picked up the bike on Friday and had to throw
> together a camping setup for Saturday, so there were some compromises - you
> know you have good bikes friends when you can source an M-18 and a basket
> in 90-minutes! That said, I would like a sturdier setup.
>
> Let me know if anyone is holding at sturdier rack!
>
> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 2:46:08 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Be careful with that basket setup.  The diving board on your front rack
>> is already sagging.  Run only really light loads in that basket, unless you
>> invest in a sturdier front rack.  That looks like a Nitto M18.  Something
>> like a Marks Rack could be run with 2 pairs of struts and would be much
>> much sturdier.  Something that attaches down low on the fork tips would be
>> even better.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 11:18:10 AM UTC-7 Nathan Phipps wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, photo for some attention ;-)
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_2061.jpeg]
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 12:05:41 PM UTC-4 Nathan Phipps wrote:
>>>
 Hiya. Long-time fanboy, first-time owner here.

 I’ve recently acquired a newer MIT A Homer Hilsen as my first Riv -
 very fun bike, and I suspect it will help me explore which Riv is for me -
 and maybe it’s the AHH. We shall see. I tend to prefer cantis, and all
 things equal, the Sam would likely be my choice, but I got a great deal, so
 I went for it.

 Query 1: In any case, I’m curious what tire/fender/brake combos folks
 are running to maximize tire width (I *think* it’s 42 w/ fenders) - I’d
 also be curious on max tire width without fenders (I’d guess a true 47mm).
 It’s got the 41.5 (or so) Fatty Rumpkins on currently, and I may just add
 some VO Zeppelins and go from there.

 Query 2: Have folks loaded their AHHs for touring? If so, with how much
 gear? The latest Riv catalog claims 40lbs as a the right max load (set
 against 55lbs I believe for the Sam). I did an S24O this weekend and had
 roughly 40lbs before I added firewood. Handled fine, and I know weight
 rating are generally conservative (though maybe not Riv’s?)

 Many thanks for the information.

 -Nate
 Ann Arbor, MI

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Re: [RBW] AHH max tire width and touring ability

[James Warren]

Nate,

You can do a huge range of things on that Homer. It's outstanding. And it
looks like you've already proven that with the firewood S240. Go for it.
And if you reach a limit, you'll know it* and find a solution when you
encounter the limit. (*Because, you've already indicated that you are used
to perceiving handling.)

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 9:05 AM Nathan Phipps  wrote:

> Hiya. Long-time fanboy, first-time owner here.
>
> I’ve recently acquired a newer MIT A Homer Hilsen as my first Riv -  very
> fun bike, and I suspect it will help me explore which Riv is for me - and
> maybe it’s the AHH. We shall see. I tend to prefer cantis, and all things
> equal, the Sam would likely be my choice, but I got a great deal, so I went
> for it.
>
> Query 1: In any case, I’m curious what tire/fender/brake combos folks are
> running to maximize tire width (I *think* it’s 42 w/ fenders) - I’d also be
> curious on max tire width without fenders (I’d guess a true 47mm). It’s got
> the 41.5 (or so) Fatty Rumpkins on currently, and I may just add some VO
> Zeppelins and go from there.
>
> Query 2: Have folks loaded their AHHs for touring? If so, with how much
> gear? The latest Riv catalog claims 40lbs as a the right max load (set
> against 55lbs I believe for the Sam). I did an S24O this weekend and had
> roughly 40lbs before I added firewood. Handled fine, and I know weight
> rating are generally conservative (though maybe not Riv’s?)
>
> Many thanks for the information.
>
> -Nate
> Ann Arbor, MI
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Re: [RBW] Just to be Clear ... (On Rivendell and Crazy Conspiracy Theories)

[James Warren]

Take Back Q!

> On Aug 10, 2020, at 11:49 AM, EricP  wrote:
> 
> Isn't the correct response "Pay attention 007?"
> 
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
> 
> On Monday, August 10, 2020 at 10:59:21 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> 
> 
> On 8/10/20 11:37 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>> I was riding my Quickbeam yesterday, and it dawned on me that the seat tube 
>> decal might lead some to an incorrect conclusion:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So, just to be clear: I am NOT a follower of “Q” or “Q Anon” or any of those 
>> related conspiracy theories.
>> 
>> Thanks. Just had to get that off my chest.
> 
> Isn't that exactly what you would say if you were "Q" himself?
> 
> 
> 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis on Tahoe singletrack

[James Warren]

Awesome!

I saw a grey and kidney bean Hunqapillar there 2 weeks ago. It was underneath 
me the whole time.

I went up Western States Trail and up The Wall from Squaw Valley to get to the 
Rim Trail. Someone on the trail, also on a mountain bike, said to me, “You’re 
doing great on that bike.”


> On Aug 2, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Brendan Willard  wrote:
> 
> Great shot!  I was just up there with my rigid Ti motobecane 29er on 2.55s 
> and it was great fun, but I was standing still next to the squish crowd (I 
> blame acclimatization ;)). I rode some of the Truckee River Bike Path and 
> Tahoe Rim Trail.  
> 
> 
> 
> Speaking in Thumbs 
> 
>>> On Aug 2, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Ryan M.  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Looks like fun riding; the Atlantis looks like it is in its element out 
>> there. It is such a great, versatile bike.
>> 
>> Rigid mtbs are fun and I've found a nice cushy set of grips helps a lot to 
>> smooth out the ride especially when riding over the smaller bumps like roots 
>> and rougher gravel. I have a Niner Sir9 setup as a rigid single speed mtb 
>> and I just love riding it even though I generally go slower and tend to ride 
>> not as far compared to a full suspension rig. 
>> 
>> Man, that place looks familiar even though I've never been but I just 
>> realized I follow a guy on youtube who does a bunch of dual sporting in that 
>> area and I'm sure that he has videos where he is riding the same stuff on 
>> his motorcycle. 
>>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 11:16:43 PM UTC-5 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>> Last week I stretched the limits of what I could do on my Atlantis on some 
>>> trails around Tahoe. The dirt roads were pure bliss, the steep chunky 4x4 
>>> roads were OK, the singletrack was a hoot, and the motorcycle trails were 
>>> impossibly steep. It eventually got too steep to ride, so I stashed the 
>>> bike in the bushes and hiked up to a lake near the Pacific Crest Trail for 
>>> a dip. The hiking was a nice change of pace.
>>> 
>>> I'm not an experienced mountain biker, but I have rented the latest and 
>>> greatest MTB's for a couple day trips in this terrain. You can just point 
>>> those machines downhill, stay loose, and let it rip. In comparison, on the 
>>> Rivendell you really have to pick the right line, like for any rigid bike.
>>> 
>>> If I could ride here regularly I'd prefer a rigid mountain bike. In 
>>> particular, I'd like a bike with wider, knobby tires, much lower standover 
>>> for when I have to hop off, a higher bottom bracket for less pedal strike, 
>>> higher handlebars for descending, and a tighter wheelbase to thread through 
>>> the granite boulders. Even though my big Atlantis lacks all these things, I 
>>> was fine riding it, as long as I stayed within my comfort zone.
>>> 
>>> I thoroughly enjoyed the solitude and lack of technical challenge on the 
>>> dirt roads like this one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm sure there are some heroes out there who could ride the boulders this 
>>> trail heads into. 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 68 AHH on Seattle CL

[James Warren]

John,

Two-part answer. If we are talking about the made-in-Japan or made-in-USA AHHs 
that one could see in the used market, the answer is:
No my guess is that you would likely ride a 65 cm AHH if you ride a 62 cm Hunq.

The AHH (Japan or US) has a more “traditional” top tube that slopes up 1.5 
degrees from seat lug to head tube. The Hunqapillar’s analogous angle is 6 
degrees. These extra degrees add a lot of handlebar height. My sizes in USA AHH 
and Hunqapillar are 65 cm and 62 cm respectively.

Part 2:
If you are looking at the new AHH that Riv sells, made in Taiwan, there is a 
good chance that its 61.5 cm frame will fit similar to the 62 cm Hunq. The made 
in Taiwan AHH has a top tube that slopes up 6 degrees from seat lug to head 
tube, like the Hunqapillar.

So if you’re ever looking at a Homer, make sure that distinction is clear.

The Homer is an amazing bike either way.

-Jimmy

> On May 1, 2020, at 5:37 PM, John Rinker  wrote:
> 
> 
> Follow up question: I have a 93 PBH and ride a 62cm Hunq. As such, would I 
> also choose to ride a 62cm AHH? 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, April 30, 2020 at 1:46:00 PM UTC-7, JAS wrote:
>> PSA:  For you tall folks!  There's a 68cm Hilsen on the Seattle Craigslist 
>> in that beautiful blue sporting racks, nice bags and a Brooks. (Again, no 
>> association with the seller).
>> 
>> --Joyce
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Re: [RBW] PSA: 68 AHH on Seattle CL

[James Warren]

It’s a beauty. Looks like a great bike. My guess is that it’s a 67 cm. Maybe a 
69 and they measured Center to Center and called it 68? But it doesn’t look big 
enough to be a 69.

I think those were always odd sizes in the big ones, so I doubt a 68 was made. 
But who knows for sure?


> On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:16 PM, Eric Floden  wrote:
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Here's the ad
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/petersburg-rivendell-68cm-ahomer-hilsen/7116450235.html
>  
> 
> 
> Bike located in Alaska
> 
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 at 13:46, JAS  > wrote:
> PSA:  For you tall folks!  There's a 68cm Hilsen on the Seattle Craigslist in 
> that beautiful blue sporting racks, nice bags and a Brooks. (Again, no 
> association with the seller).
> 
> --Joyce
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Re: [RBW] Tall Arm V-Brakes

[James Warren]

Sell that Nitto rack, get a Mark’s rack, and use the beautiful fork-crown rack 
mount point that it is visible in your top photo! That’s what it’s for. Like 
this:


> On Apr 23, 2020, at 5:14 PM, j.schwartz  wrote:
> 
> I have some old Tektro V's from the box that I put on my Clem since they were 
> laying around.
> I can not install my Nitto Front rack because the arms aren't tall enough to 
> clear the fork crown mount. ..see pic.
> So I took the rack off, but I think it's a less expensive project for me to 
> replace the front brake then find another rack solution.
> I know Riv is working on a V brake but that could be awhile...
> Who makes the tallest arm V brakes (Not Paul please) I want to keep this 
> pretty budgety.
> Should I look at newer Tektro's, Shimano's, anything else?
> See pics
> Thanks so much  
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Re: [RBW] Frame color!

[James Warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK7HJvmgFnM

> On Apr 18, 2020, at 10:55 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> I think you should pick a color you like. 
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Re: [RBW] What Is a Cheviot?

[James Warren]

A Mixte Tube Hillborne.

And I’ll tell you, sometimes I feel like my HIllborne is my fastest road bike.

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Bicycle Belle started this topic on another thread and I think it would be 
> interesting to dive into. I think it's a road bike or Country Bike like a 
> Homer, someone else said it was kinda equal to a Clem, and Will @ Riv uses 
> his as a 2-speed on dirt trails (but he's crazy!). What do YOU think a 
> Cheviot is? 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> Marin County CA. 
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Re: [RBW] Finally getting an actual Rivendell, and the anticipation is BRUTAL

[James Warren]

Hillborne!

You’re probably getting the best of all Riv models. 


> On Mar 3, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Nathan Mattia  wrote:
> 
> Tomorrow I’m going to be teaching my 8th grade students the blessings and 
> curses of Jacksonian Democracy, but all I’ll really be thinking about is my 
> orange Sam Hillborne currently under construction at my LBS.  How are the 
> wheels coming along?  Have the spokes arrived yet?  How will the light mount 
> to the front rack?  
> But the build questions are NOTHING compared to the ride anticipations.
> Where shall I take it first?  The usual loop around Forest Park?  Commute to 
> school?  Or will it be somewhere new, just between me and Sam?  
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Re: [RBW] Re: 69 cm A Homer Hilsen for $1100 on eBay (not mine)

[James Warren]

Reid, what you have there is one of the best bikes ever made.




> On Feb 3, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Reid Echols  wrote:
> 
> Well, it got here folks! Looks likely to be a Toyo frame, that I swear feels 
> lighter than my old Waterford Homer did (perhaps this top tube wasn’t 
> reinforced like the other one was). Some definite beausage but the parts seem 
> almost new—must have been recently rebuilt at a shop. Here it is as it 
> arrived, though it’s already having some swaps done. Looks to be a 65 by my 
> measurements, as I expected. Now for the difficult choice of selling the Sam 
> or the Rambouillet...
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Re: [RBW] 69 cm A Homer Hilsen for $1100 on eBay (not mine)

[James Warren]

Awesome. Can’t wait too see your good photos! There is little better than a 
FULLY LUGGED original HIlsen. And yours will be orange!

Outstanding buy. Have fun.


> On Jan 20, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Reid Echols  wrote:
> 
> Welp, I suppose I made a bad investment, then. Offer made and accepted...
> 
> If the 65cm size (ideal for me) winds up to be off, I can at least promise 
> better photos :) 
> 
> Reid in Austin 
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Re: [RBW] 69 cm A Homer Hilsen for $1100 on eBay (not mine)

[James Warren]

My guess is 65 cm.


> On Jan 20, 2020, at 7:39 AM, Bruce Curry  wrote:
> 
> Looks like a 64 to me. I reached out to the seller several times and have 
> yet to receive a response. Not sure how the seller has a 100% rating. 
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Re: [RBW] Gotta Hunqapillar question

[James Warren]

Diagatubes were standard on the largest two sizes, 58 and 62 cm.

Parallel double top tubes were never standard. They did exist on several 
prototypes, because parallel double top tube was almost the design. But late in 
the design process, Riv changed it to diagatube before officially releasing the 
bike.

Bombadils of the era (which predated Hunqapillar by a bit) did come standard 
with parallel double top tube. But eventually those too switched to diagatube 
as well (and included diagonal tubes in the rear triangle as well.)

-Jimmy

> On Dec 30, 2019, at 7:16 PM, Eric Grim  wrote:
> 
> 
> I was looking thru some old files at the Hunqapillar fliers/Reader excerpts.  
> Some illustrations show a double top tube in the larger sizes, like the one 
> on (for example) the Joe Appaloosa.  One, hiowever, shows an unpainted frame 
> with a diagonal tube between the top and down tubes.  I've never seen one in 
> the flesh, or even many pics.  Did the "diagatube" (Grant's word) make it to 
> production, and if it did, on what sizes?  Was the Hunqapillar a short-lived 
> model?  How do you pronounce "Hunqapillar", anyway?
> 
> Thanks, Eric Grim (Spokane)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

[James Warren]

I’m not saying you’re gonna get it, Joe, but you have to have an ideal.


> On Dec 7, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Really there's no "off topic" until the moderator says so. I've seen plenty 
> of Blahg-tangent discussions here because yes, Riv is Grant and Grant has 
> been an interesting figure in this business for over 30 years. I don't think 
> you're going to get "only the bikes and parts" here, it's not realistic. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

[James Warren]

No, paleo diets were not acceptable content. If people view them as such, they 
are off topic. My point is that this forum did remain much more On topic 
between its start and say, 2012 or so.

> On Dec 7, 2019, at 1:20 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> But that's not how it's been.  Paleo diets -- to cite one example -- have 
> been acceptable material for discussion on list because Grant wrote about 
> them in a book of his.  Likewise the "just ride" philosophy.   So if fried 
> pork rinds are in scope, I don't see why film cameras aren't as well.  
> They're certainly healthier for you than fried pork rind.
> 
> 
>> 
>> For much of a decade the forum was very well-focused and on topic. The topic 
>> degradation then got worse and that happened well outside of discussions of 
>> elected officials and their policies.
>> 
>> *Ride reports most likely from the types of rides that Rivs are optimized 
>> for (S24Os for example) but given it’s a ride report, some leeway was to be 
>> expected.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Discussing bike stuff is what we're here for.
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

[James Warren]

My understanding when this forum started was that “Discussing Riv products 
specifically and quality ride* reports” (ridden on other brands being OK if 
it’s a ride report) was what we’re here for. BOBish philosophies and Grant’s 
ideas about cameras would be OT. Unless Riv starts selling a specific camera.

For much of a decade the forum was very well-focused and on topic. The topic 
degradation then got worse and that happened well outside of discussions of 
elected officials and their policies.

*Ride reports most likely from the types of rides that Rivs are optimized for 
(S24Os for example) but given it’s a ride report, some leeway was to be 
expected.


> On Dec 7, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> Discussing bike stuff is what we're here for. 
> 
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Re: [RBW] QB 62 FOR SALE

[James Warren]

Not in the market since I have a 64, but FWIW, I did the same coldsetting of 
the rear of mine to 132ish (also for an Alfine.) I ended up not liking the 
Alfine and put the frame back to regular QB use with a single-cog rear hub. I 
just put a 130 threaded Phil FW hub back there, and all is fine.

So the differently spaced QB is fine, and I kinda feel like it’s more versatile.


> On Dec 1, 2019, at 6:49 AM, Tom Horton  wrote:
> 
> a little complicated but bear with me.  selling frame, fork, headset and 
> maybe wheels, my silver series 62 quickbeam, low miles, no chips or dents, 
> very good condition.
> 
> I bought it to build up with shimano's alfine 11 hub and a jtek shifter, for 
> all around use. but I got five other rivs now, including a qbeam 68 that is 
> more my ideal size, and I just don't use this bike.
> 
> to install the alfine I had a bike shop 'coldset' the rear triangle, i.e. 
> expand it, from 120mm to 132mm (pretty sure those numbers make sense). so if 
> you were to convert it back to single speed you might have to have it 
> reset/coldset to 120. local mechanics tell me that's no problem and would not 
> affect the frame adversely; or maybe one could use spacers? beyond my 
> expertise.
> 
> so: asking $750 for frame, fork and headset, plus shipping from my local ibke 
> shop in salisbury, md. I;d consider driving a couple hundred miles to meet a 
> buyer.
> 
> I'd consider throwing in the original qbeam wheels/hubs for, say, a hundred 
> bucks more if that's an inducement. the current front wheel is the original. 
> also throw in the schwalbe marathon supreme tires, 40mm or thereabout, no 
> charge.
> 
> SEPARATELY THE ALFINE:  if that has any appeal to this group, I'd sell hub, 
> which is build into an excellent 32 hole Mavic rim (AZ19 if says on the rim 
> sticker), plus jtek shifter for 350 bucks. it's silver, has maybe four years 
> and 500 miles on it. I just changed the oil in the hub for the first time. 
> rim brake.  so hub/wheel/shifter for 350.
> 
> how's it ride?  the alfine's gear range, for me, would cover anything but 
> fully loaded touring in hills...it's a little short on the 'easy' end there, 
> though maybe not true for a younger, stronger tourer. I've heard of these 
> hubs leaking oil, but that has not been the case for mine. the jtek shifter 
> is way more compact than the original trigger shifter that came with the 
> alfine, and it works perfectly.
> 
> pm me if interested. or txt/call   410 726 7282.
> 
> pix attached:   
> 
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Re: [RBW] Silver2 shifters have arrived!

[James Warren]

Yes, exciting. I tested them out at Riv the other day, and I like them a lot. 
Very nice under the bar positioning as thumbshifters.



> On Nov 27, 2019, at 7:45 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> The long awaited Silver 2 shifters have arrived, just in time for the 
> holidays:  
> 
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/shifting/products/kjalgjoihjga44451
> 
> The mounts for upright bars are delayed a bit but the shifters also work as 
> bar ends & down tubes.  Treat yourself to something nice; maybe buy a spare 
> pair "just in case".  Shifters sold individually so you can do all sorts of 
> crazy things.  See the website for which-goes-where.  
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

[James Warren]

Atlantis held up against the truck bed. Was part of the buying process almost 
exactly 9 years ago.

I’ll bet these practices are more common than we realize.


> On Oct 30, 2019, at 7:06 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
> 
> I wish I'd taken pictures of everyone around when I rode my bike to the 
> dealership where I bought my wife's last car. It was a CPO 328i X-Drive and 
> no one could cipher that I rode a bike there to purchase and drive a car 
> home. They probably couldn't cipher that it was a decision parameter either. 
> 
> I folded down the back seats down, put my 62 cm fendered Rambouillet right 
> in, collected my paperwork and drove away. 
> 
> Andy Cheatham 
> Pittsburgh
> 
> On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 10:33:51 PM UTC-4, LeRoy wrote:
> When I bought my Clem 59 in the Spring of 2018, I carried it back from New 
> Jersey to Michigan inside a very sub-compact Jeep Renegade, along with three 
> guys and enough luggage and gear for a long weekend. Granted, the Clem was 
> reduced to its smallest sub-units: frame, wheels, handlebar, fenders, seat, 
> racks, etc. But it all fit. Inside. And so did three grown men + gear. This 
> was all fine for a one-time transport but not conducive to regularly carting 
> the Clem around.
> Earlier this year, I did a trial fit of the Clem in my wife's somewhat bigger 
> Jeep Compass. With the bike's front wheel removed and the car's front 
> passenger seat all the way forward, the Clem was a very tight fit. Still 
> indoors, but human occupancy in the front passenger seat wasn't going to 
> happen. The result was one person and one bike safely on board. Clearly, I 
> needed a bigger vehicle.
> So, as I shopped for a replacement for the Renegade, I figured that moving up 
> the Jeep food chain one notch - to the Cherokee model - would result in a 
> better Clem-fit. Nope. Who would have thunk that the bigger-on-the-outside 
> Cherokee was actually smaller-on-the-inside? It would barely accommodate the 
> Clem! The bike fits less well in the Cherokee than the Compass. It's 
> certainly more difficult to load and unload. Of course, discovering this 
> occurred afterleasing the new Cherokee.
> The lesson is, apparently, to take one's bike along when car-shopping. Or 
> bring the test ride home long enough to test-fit the bike. Or, to borrow from 
> the old carpenter's adage, measure twice, buy once.
> Other than that, I really like both the Clem and the new Cherokee. But the 
> end result is that the Jeep will be getting a trailer hitch and the Clem will 
> be riding outdoors, on the back of the Cherokee.
> Anyone else run into a similar doesn't-quite-fit dilemma? ...or have a clever 
> solution that hasn't occurred to me?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Which Rivendell frame would you resurrect?

[James Warren]

Hugh, this is what a Hillborne is. At least the centerpull version.


> On Oct 19, 2019, at 12:39 AM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> 
> Saluki that can take a 47~48mm tire and keep the center pulls oh and dynamo 
> wire routing.
> 
> Hugh
> 
> On Tuesday, July 16, 2019 at 5:24:01 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
> The recent Bombadil sightings here and on Instagram have me thinking of all 
> the Rivendell frames I wanted and never purchased. So, let’s play (or replay) 
> the Rivendell Resurrection game: pick one discontinued frame you would like 
> to see back in production. If you really, really wanna name a MUSA version of 
> a current MIT frame, I guess that’s ok. 
> 
> Disclaimer: this is only intended to wax nostalgic at the ones that got away. 
> I’m not here to criticize the current lineup. 
> 
> My vote: the Legolas!
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Re: [RBW] Charlie H Gallop!

[James Warren]

I jump on Philip's idea and add my desire for lugs at the three points of
the main "triangle" and a cream head tube.

Philip's idea:
"Super Legolas.

Lightweight cross-ish bike that takes 55-60mm tires. Longish chainstays,
and adjusted front end to handle the tire upsizing. Sloping top tube. May
come with a Hite-Rite. SUPERMOTO style."

- James Warren

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 2:29 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Super Legolas.
>
> Lightweight cross-ish bike that takes 55-60mm tires. Longish chainstays,
> and adjusted front end to handle the tire upsizing. Sloping top tube. May
> come with a Hite-Rite. SUPERMOTO style.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[James Warren]

Outstanding!

I’d love to see it in person.


> On Aug 19, 2019, at 10:36 AM, André P  wrote:
> 
> Took it out for a second ride this weekend. This is my new Roadini, built 
> from the take-offs from my old Kona Jake the Snake that I hadn't ridden in 
> years.
> 
> On Monday, August 19, 2019 at 9:16:15 AM UTC-7, Mike Williams wrote:
> Great looking bike Reid! 
> 1) what size 
> 2) what size tire?  38c? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> > On Aug 19, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Reid Echols  > > wrote: 
> > 
> > Just finished my first commute on the new-to-me and newly built 
> > Rambouillet. So far, it’s precisely what I was hoping it would be: a 
> > spirited, but smooth ride. After splitting hairs with a couple of Clems, a 
> > Sam, and a Homer, I just might have landed on the ideal Riv stable for me: 
> > this and the Appaloosa. 
> > 
> > Reid in Austin 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 700x50 Cazaderos on a Sidepull Hillborne

[James Warren]

Update: taken on a real ride, I feel those 700x50 Cazadero TC’s will stretch 
and be too tight at the chainstay, and I doubt I’ll keep using them on the 
Hillborne.

But there’s a piece of data for Hillborne owners. The tire that is just on the 
cusp between fitting and not.



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> On Jul 30, 2019, at 6:00 PM, Tom Horton  wrote:
> 
> as long as we're on the subject of clearance, has anyone tried schwalbe g one 
> all around 57mm on a joe app (mine's a 62cm frame)?  the g one speeds are a 
> bit too tight for me, but the all arounds may be a tad smaller?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 1:19:57 PM UTC-4, Jimmy Warren wrote:
>> 
>> Tires haven’t stretched yet, but they fit and I think they will just fit 
>> after the stretching. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 700x50 Cazaderos on a Sidepull Hillborne

[James Warren]

The photos are mainly to show how nice the tires are. They don’t show the gap. 
There is space, but yes, this is certainly the closest one should get. I like 
when I find a bike’s clearance limit.

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> On Jul 30, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Kevin Mulcahy  wrote:
> 
> I don't think I'd be comfortable with those clearances, but I understand the 
> desire to test the limits in search of better traction and more fun. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Vintage Expedition vs. AHH and Atlantis

[James Warren]

The tire clearance issue is huge if there’s a chance you’ll tires that side 
(like above 40.)

With its ability to take Big Ben 50’s, even under sidepull brakes, and knobby 
Cazadero 42’s, I have used my Hillborne as a mountain bike. I feel like that 
bike doubles as uncompromised road and uncompromised mountain bike, which is a 
slightly different thing in my mind than all-rounder or hybrid.

If you don’t care about tires that large, then I can’t advise you, because I’ve 
never pedaled an Expedition. I can only say that Hillbornes and AHH’s both are 
versatile and efficient bikes that I really enjoy riding. (I have both, the 
former with Albatross, the latter with drops.)

-Jimmy W

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> On Jul 29, 2019, at 8:03 AM, Drw  wrote:
> 
> I briefly had an 84 expedition and older Sam hillborne at the same time. Not 
> an AHH, but I believe Grant said there are no functional differences in the 
> two, especially when they were both sidepull. 
> Anyway. I thought the expedition and hillborne were really similar. Hillborne 
> was a 2 top tube model and felt marginally stiffer. I think the 2 biggest 
> things I remember are that it was easier to get the bars where I wanted them 
> on the Sam, and tire clearance was greatly increased. 
> On my expedition I could fit 36’s and much less with fenders. On the Sam, I 
> could get 50’s in with Paul racers. To me that made a big difference, 
> especially how comfortably it handled trails. 
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Long Shot... Long Low 58cm

[James Warren]

Karl,

Less of a long shot but probably a very similar bike would be a Rambouillet. 
Those came in 58 and come up here and on eBay from time to time. You could even 
add the word Rambouillet to your subject line.

- Jimmy


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> On Jul 25, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Karl  wrote:
> 
> Anyone have an old Long Low frame or bike they would love to see go to a good 
> home? I would love to have one. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Karl
> Nashville, TN
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW at 25: The Fellowship of the Rigs

[James Warren]

Ah! Upon closer inspection, way in the back, Bill Rhea made the photo too!

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> On Jul 25, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Collin A  wrote:
> 
> So many sacks...
> 
>> On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 10:15:46 AM UTC-7, Jimmy Warren wrote:
>> 
>> My contribution to the pictures proving that it happened, Eight Rivs and 
>> Clayton (and cutoff Andre and Joe -sorry!) Shafter Bridge, southern end of 
>> the Cross Marin Trail:
>> 
>> 
>> And what a great weekend! So much fun seeing old friends, making new ones, 
>> riding familiar trails, and finding new ones. And I never veered out of the 
>> Olema-Fairfax dirt corridor!
>> 
>> - Jimmy W.
>> 
>> P.S. 3 Hunqs, 2 Atlanti, Legolas, Hillborne, Clem - wow!
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:49 AM, REC (Roberta)  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I already received my patch and it's as good a quality as you'd expect from 
>>> Philip, i.e.,  Riv quality.
>>> 
>>> On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 10:33:05 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also, I turned the RBWXXV patches back on in the Etsy shop, if anyone 
>>> missed out. https://etsy.me/2SyXP7j 
>>> I didn’t want to over-book at the campout, and I’ve saved some for 
>>> Rivendell staff. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW at 25: The Fellowship of the Rigs

[James Warren]

I am coming. Pine mountain on Saturday sound good!

I'd love to do Entmoot, but will probably have to do it in spirit and just
travel with one fully geared bike for those dirt climbs.

I can't wait to enjoy the outdoors with y'all.

-Jimmy

On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 3:01 PM Esteban  wrote:

> I shall attend, representing the great County of San Diego and the
> Borderlandz!
>
> I'm happy to include Pine Mountain on Saturday, and defer to my friends
> who know the trails and maps.
>
> Will this also serve as an Entmoot? I see at least one Quickbeam listed as
> attending. Maybe Sunday can include a gentleperson's Entmoot-inspired ride
> (or ride home), as we did 5 years ago.
>
> Looking forward to this!
>
> Esteban
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 2:43:20 PM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Chaingang,
>>
>> Coming up Real Soon Now is the RBW25 weekend at Samuel Taylor State Park
>> -
>>
>> Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 2pm Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 12pm PDT
>> Devil's Gulch Group Site 1&2
>> http://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com
>>
>> - And while we can thank Justin in Oakland for laying the groundwork
>> of the event (read: HE RESERVED US THE GROUP SITES), it's going to be
>> up to each of us to make it happen!
>>
>> So: Who is planning to attend? What level of riding are you hoping
>> for? What ideas or adventures would you like to have?
>>
>> Speaking for myself, I can only make it over for Friday (will stay
>> over in camp) and Saturday riding. I'd like to make a ride from camp
>> around the Pine Mountain Loop, and then either return to camp via
>> BoFax / Bolinas Ridge OR, down into Fairfax via Repack.
>>
>> I think it'll be "each-their-own" in terms of food, but it might also
>> be fun/nice to bring something to share for (either) evening?
>>
>> Let's hear some enthusiasm and make this happen!
>> =- Joe Bunik
>> Walnut Creek, CA
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Re: [RBW] Grant could have designed the Madone

[James Warren]

She’s wearing Da Brim!

http://www.dabrim.com/


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> On Jul 11, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Addison Wilhite  wrote:
> 
> Rumor has it this was Grant's early Trek Madone Time Trial Prototype when he 
> was considering working for Trek.  ;-)
> 
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>> Up very late or else very early, stumbled across this from a 2013 post by 
>> Gary Boulanger:
>> 
>> I once came across two letters from the presidents of Specialized and Trek, 
>> dated late 1994, letting Petersen know how much they admired his work at 
>> Bridgestone, and that he was welcome to work for their companies; all he had 
>> to do was name his salary and pick a title. He chose to launch Rivendell, 
>> and begin his long, happy journey upstream.
>> 
>> https://www.bikemag.com/pavedmag/5-reasons-why-hes-grant-petersen-and-youre-not/
>> 
>> I'm glad he started Rivendell.
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>> 
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>> A new road or a secret gate,
>> And though we pass them by today,
>> Tomorrow we may come this way
>> And take the hidden paths that run
>> Towards the Moon or to the Sun.
>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
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Re: [RBW] Closest geared Riv to QuickOne?

[James Warren]

Owning Ram, Atlantis, AHH, and QB, I say QB without a doubt is closest to AHH.


> On May 9, 2019, at 9:21 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
> 
> The SimpleOne up for sale (someone snatch it up!) brought up a question: 
> What's the closest geared Riv to the Quickbeam / SimpleOne? The Rambouillet? 
> Hilsen? Can anyone with experience comment on the ride quality between the 
> single (or double) speeds and the closest geared cousin?
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WT: 66cm Riv Ramboulliet for a 62-64cm Riv

[James Warren]

Tom,

Yes. The Rams started with the 64 cm and then the 68 cm sizes being offered. 
Then in the height of the golden age of Toyo Rivs, 66’s came along in Rams, 
some QBs, and I believe even Atlanti!

-Jim


> On Apr 15, 2019, at 6:55 PM, tc  wrote:
> 
> Hey Sean, 
> Was the Ram made in size 66 later on?  I ask because according to the Ram 
> brochure , they 
> were made in size 64 or 68, not 66.
> 
> Sheldon's Ram page  seems 
> to agree.  But maybe a 66 was made in the later years that I'm not aware of?
> 
> Regardless, curious, we're talking less than an inch of seat tube between a 
> 64 and 66, and I'd bet the same or less diff in top tube length.  Did you 
> have the seat post already slammed down?  It'd be a shame to give up that 
> bike over less than an inch!
> 
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] RBW XXV WHO’S COMING

[James Warren]

I want to come.


> On Mar 29, 2019, at 4:36 PM, Philip Williamson  
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> 
> Says “sale ended?”
> I’m coming, for sure.
> 
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Re: [RBW] 62cm Hunqapillar complete

[James Warren]

Sorry everyone, tried to send that just to the poster. Didn’t mean to clutter 
the forum with a private message.


> On Feb 25, 2019, at 5:32 PM, James Warren  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I know this is a long shot, but you are not by any chance interested in a 
> trade for a Rivendell (Rosco) Huge Mountain Mixte mountain bike, are you? I 
> have one, but I would prefer the Hunqapillar frame that’s the platform for 
> the bike you’re selling. The HMM has either a 64 (maybe 65) cm seat tube, 50 
> cm chain stays and an effective top tube similar to your Hunqapillar. The 
> tire clearances at least match the Hunq. To me, the fork crown seems to match 
> your Hunqapillar. The MIxte is a great bike, but I think I prefer a top tube. 
> If you had any interest, I could drive your way to make the trade, and if we 
> traded frameset for frameset, I’d assume that conditions being equal, the 
> Mixte plus some cash would equal the Hunqapillar. (Although, the Mixte has 
> this sweet pump peg on the left seat stay!)
> 
> Anyway, no pressure, just checking.
> 
> Regards,
> James
> 
> (Long time Riv Forum member)
> 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2019, at 6:55 PM, longdistancedays > <mailto:cuppajoes...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 62cm Hunqapillar 
>> 55mm Antelope Hills 
>> Pletcher rear, Soma front racks and Wald 137 basket included 
>> 
>> Everything pictured except pedals and bag.
>> 
>> 805-708-8501
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Re: [RBW] 62cm Hunqapillar complete

[James Warren]

Hi,

I know this is a long shot, but you are not by any chance interested in a trade 
for a Rivendell (Rosco) Huge Mountain Mixte mountain bike, are you? I have one, 
but I would prefer the Hunqapillar frame that’s the platform for the bike 
you’re selling. The HMM has either a 64 (maybe 65) cm seat tube, 50 cm chain 
stays and an effective top tube similar to your Hunqapillar. The tire 
clearances at least match the Hunq. To me, the fork crown seems to match your 
Hunqapillar. The MIxte is a great bike, but I think I prefer a top tube. If you 
had any interest, I could drive your way to make the trade, and if we traded 
frameset for frameset, I’d assume that conditions being equal, the Mixte plus 
some cash would equal the Hunqapillar. (Although, the Mixte has this sweet pump 
peg on the left seat stay!)

Anyway, no pressure, just checking.

Regards,
James

(Long time Riv Forum member)


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> 
> 62cm Hunqapillar 
> 55mm Antelope Hills 
> Pletcher rear, Soma front racks and Wald 137 basket included 
> 
> Everything pictured except pedals and bag.
> 
> 805-708-8501
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Re: [RBW] Riv is again advertising the Rodeo on the frames page

[James Warren]

When people complain about stuff like that, I like to say, “Make your own then.”


> On Feb 22, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> All the frame listings have a pic of a bike again, too, instead of 
> headbadges. Someone on the dreaded Paceline forum complained about the 
> badges. 
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Re: [RBW] Bosco bars grip suggestions

[James Warren]

Ergon!

With the bars titled down a bit. No bar-end shifter capability there, so
what I do is IRD stem mount shifters. Then my Bosco is free and clear for
much hand comfort. I'll try to find a photo later.

On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 2:33 PM OwenS  wrote:

> Hi all, I posted this before but I used an emoji so perhaps it didn't get
> approved?
>
> After some ideas on suggestions for grips for the bosco bars. Has anyone
> tried cloth bar tape on the bosco bar? Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Model/Size Recommendations for PBH 82ish -- In between sizes

[James Warren]

A Hunqapillar is an incredible bike.

> On Feb 19, 2019, at 7:01 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> You're not going to like the seatpost/stem extension on a 51 Appa if it 
> bothered you on a 52 Clem. 
> 
> I'm 80ish PBH, short arms and fit well on a 55 Cheviot. I think the fit 
> should work for you, but you're correct that it might be a little underbuilt 
> (maybe talk to Riv about it).
> 
> For a stout Riv with a tad more standover than your Sam, take a look at the 
> 54 Hunqapillar on Ebay. It's a nice bike. 
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Re: [RBW] Sugino 40x26 wide low double?

[James Warren]

It'll be the same as the Sugino XD-2 triple, which is 165 mm. Rivendell
calls that "Medium" on their website.

It's the same crankarm as the Sugino XD-2 set up as a triple. Just
different rings and a pants guard outer.

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 4:08 PM John Bokman  wrote:

> Any thoughts on this setup vs. the Sugino XD-2 tripple (46/36/24)? I know
> the double has a lower top end. I guess what I"m most curious about is the
> Q-factor. I can't find info on the Q of the Wide Low double.
>
> I've been riding doubles for a while, and like them, in general (VO 46/30
> and a mish-mash 44/30  Girvin MTB crank on my Sam commuter). I used to use
> the standard Sugino XD-2 46/36/24 on my Sam, and switched because I hardly
> ever (almost never) got into the granny and felt the gearing was redundant.
> But I really liked the 36 ring, and did almost all my riding it it alone.
> The 36 was so nice for almost everything. Curious about the Q of the Riv
> (Sugino) Wide Low 2x.
>
> All equal I want the lowest Q I can get, assuming I can get the gearing I
> want.
>
> Not sure why, but I just really dig the look of the Sugino 2X. I will
> admit I'd lose a little top end speed with this set up, but I've got
> another bike for the high end descents (46 tooth top ring).
>
> Winter musings, I guess, as snow flurries patter down in Portland, Oregon.
> (I just installed  Schwalbe Marathon Mondials to better deal with the
> snow/ice we probably won't encounter on my ride into work at 6 a.m.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini handlebar ideas

[James Warren]

Tom,
Did you have a bar on the Atlantis before? If so, what was it, and upon
switching to the Wavie, did you make a stem change?

Thank you,
Jim W.

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 7:42 PM tc  wrote:

> Thanks, Chip. I bought and mounted the Wavie on my Atlantis and love it.
> Still not sure what to do on the Roadini. I have an Albastache, and a 56 HT
> alum Albatross, and the Ahearne+Map that used to be on the Atlantis.
> Decisions, decisions!
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Help me build a Clem please!

[James Warren]

Sizewise, I can offer the following: I don't own a Clem, but a family member 
has a 65 cm one. I'm 6'4" with a 93 cm PBH, and the 65 Clem is absolutely too 
big for me, especially with 2 inch tires. A 59 cm one would work well for me.

-Jim W.
 

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>Sent: Feb 9, 2019 9:39 AM
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>Subject: [RBW] Help me build a Clem please!
>
>Have you looked at bike flights shipping costs? I am pretty sure that they’ll 
>be cheaper than what Rivendell uses, but I’d imagine you could buy the 
>bikeflights shipping and have the frame picked up from Rivendell. 
>
>Its really hard to know what stem length you’d want, without knowing what kind 
>of bars you plan to run along with a bunch of other factors. Also, are you 
>sure 52 is the right size? I’d imagine that at 5’11 your at least between the 
>52 and 59.
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Re: [RBW] Cost to have a previously offered model made

[James Warren]

For the All Rounder, my guess is you’re talking full custom. As for 
Hunqapillar, we can only speculate if we don’t work there. I think they need to 
call them for that.


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> On Feb 8, 2019, at 6:27 PM, tc  wrote:
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> Damn auto correct ...
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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[James Warren]

Thanks, Ron. When I first set it up in ‘05, I tried a standard tensioner, and 
it couldn’t do enough for the chainring differences I wanted. I really demand 
that granny/grandpa gear. So at that point, I went with derailleur and was 
lucky that the local bike shop had one that could clamp onto the dropout with 
no hanger.


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> On Feb 8, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
> 
> I like it. 
> Guess you're using RD just for chain wrap.  Curious whether there's a chain 
> tensioner with enough chain wrap to cover the ring range. 
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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[James Warren]

Patrick,

I love that you love that I love it.


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> On Feb 7, 2019, at 9:21 AM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> James, quirky, delightful, purpose-built, and hilarious. I love it that you 
> love it. Grin.
> 
> Joe, one way to achieve 3 freewheel or fixed cogs is a double (ENO freewheel, 
> Surly Dingle Cog) and third cog on a flip/flop hub. Manual shift, stop 
> required.
> 
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[James Warren]

Awesome, Joe!

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> On Feb 7, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> James, you probably saw both. Will did his Chev with a double crank but no 
> shifter, then he saw mine, then he added the shifty bits. As you say, it's a 
> great way to get the SS experience while still having a big hill option. 
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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[James Warren]

Awesome, Joe!

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> On Feb 7, 2019, at 9:39 AM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> 
> James,
> Why not leave shifting to your shifter bikes?
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
> 
>> On 2/7/19, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> James, you probably saw both. Will did his Chev with a double crank but no
>> shifter, then he saw mine, then he added the shifty bits. As you say, it's a
>> great way to get the SS experience while still having a big hill option.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[James Warren]

Kieran,
Thanks. I’m waiting for the 22T freewheel to come, which will be the norm. For 
the singlespeed experience while still having a great steep hill gear, as JB 
points out. Right now, it’s temporarily 18 back there. The setup is quite 
simple.

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> On Feb 7, 2019, at 9:15 AM, Kieran J  wrote:
> 
> What a wacky arrangement, I love it. How many tooths in the back?
> 
> KJ
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, February 7, 2019 at 8:48:52 AM UTC-8, James Warren wrote:
>> 
>> I first set this up this way in 2005. I recently made it better with a 
>> Suntour microdrive crank with chainrings of 42-32-20 and an old (AF) front 
>> derailleur, which in theory isn’t supposed to work with that crank, but it’s 
>> perfect. The rear derailleur is just an extreme chain tensioner, no cable in 
>> it. My bike set up this way was in RR36, but now with this crank, it has a 
>> wider range of gears. My thinking was to set up three distinct 
>> single-speedish modes. When things get challenging and I’m in the middle 
>> ring, I stand or push harder and try not to shift. And then I have the 20T 
>> option for the crazy or sustained hills (especially the dirt ones, which I 
>> live near and love to climb.) 
>> 
>> Anyway, I love this set up. Also upgraded with Bosco bar, excellent Sunrace 
>> underbar thumbie with fake clicks, which is perfect for the three rings. And 
>> over the years, I got an attractive downtube clamp-on cable stop. Quickbeams 
>> are so versatile. 
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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[James Warren]

Thanks, Joe. I think I saw that Cheviot and liked it. Or am I conflating it 
with Riv Will’s? Because he did this “By One” type deal as well.


> On Feb 7, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> James: I've always liked that bike. I double-ized a Cheviot with a single 
> rear cog, double front and fd based on your idea. 
> 
> Patrick: How would you get triple cogs on a singlespeed hub?
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Re: [RBW] Wide range 3-speed QB refurbished

[James Warren]

Because 20/22 is a lot less than 40/32, and I want a LOW lowest gear for steep 
dirt hillclimbing.

Also, the following is secondary and wasn’t thought of in the design phase, but 
it’s a lot simpler shifting the front since the bike has no derailleur hanger. 
That cable-less derailleur as shown would not be in the optimum spot if it had 
a cable and were used as a shifter. But as a tensioner, it’s just fine.


> On Feb 7, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> James: Why 3 rings, fd and rd instead of 3 cogs and rd, particularly since a 
> tooth in the rear gives more difference than a tooth in the front? Not 
> complaining, just asking.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:48 AM James Warren  <mailto:jimcwar...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
> 
> I first set this up this way in 2005. I recently made it better with a 
> Suntour microdrive crank with chainrings of 42-32-20 and an old (AF) front 
> derailleur, which in theory isn’t supposed to work with that crank, but it’s 
> perfect. The rear derailleur is just an extreme chain tensioner, no cable in 
> it. My bike set up this way was in RR36, but now with this crank, it has a 
> wider range of gears. My thinking was to set up three distinct 
> single-speedish modes. When things get challenging and I’m in the middle 
> ring, I stand or push harder and try not to shift. And then I have the 20T 
> option for the crazy or sustained hills (especially the dirt ones, which I 
> live near and love to climb.)
> 
> Anyway, I love this set up. Also upgraded with Bosco bar, excellent Sunrace 
> underbar thumbie with fake clicks, which is perfect for the three rings. And 
> over the years, I got an attractive downtube clamp-on cable stop. Quickbeams 
> are so versatile.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam angled dropouts - first principles?

[James Warren]

Awesome! Thanks, Jeremy.-Original Message-
From: Jeremy Till 
Sent: Feb 7, 2019 8:23 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam angled dropouts - first principles?

Yes, the end result should be the brake pads parallel to the axle adjustment path, but stay angles and lengths do matter (at least to the framebuilder) in that they determine the point on the rim at which the brake pads will hit and thus the angle between the ground (or a line drawn between axle centers) and a line tangential to the rim at that point, parallel to which the brake pads will be set.  Note that the QB concept of not having to adjust brake shoes between different axle positions is facilitated by the relatively large radius of 700c rims.  A smaller wheel will have a larger change in tangent angle at the braking point for a given change in axle position. I wonder if this was noticeable in the 650b bikes that came in the last batch. I expect it would be impossible with small wheels (e.g. 20" or smaller).On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 4:38:16 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:Nope. Just making sure. I know there were several prototypes on the angle, so "parallel to the brake shoes" may not be the whole story. Philip Santa Rosa, CA On Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 4:22:44 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:Philip-To argue the counter factual: can you think of any reason or way that they would matter? -J



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Re: [RBW] Re: MIT AHH reviews?

[James Warren]

Looks amazing. I'm guessing that this bike is awesome in a similar way to the sidepull Hillborne.-Original Message-
From: Drew Henson 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 3:13 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: MIT AHH reviews?

I've had one for a few months and I absolutely love it. Luckily the winter in Seattle has been very cooperative up until this week. A local shop, Back Alley Bike Repair, built it up for me. This is the first time I've purchased a frame and spec'd a build and it was a ton of fun. This essentially replaces a surly LHT that was a fine bike but also is a tank and I have no plans for a tour. The homer is the bike that drew me to Riv a few years ago, so I jumped at the chance for a more budget friendly version.The AHH splits commuting duties with an Elephant NFE and the ride between the two bikes could not be more different, but they compliment each other very well. My commute is between 8.5-9 miles one way and fairly hilly depending on the route I take. The AHH climbs well enough and I feel very confident bombing hills on it. I usually carry a change of clothes, lunch, coffee, and some tools. Maybe an extra layer depending on the day. I think on the Blug once Grant said he doesn't think a road-ish bike could ride any better than the MIT AHH and I'm inclined to agree. The bike is so smooth. I can barely feel a loaded up sackville on the back and it's not even cinched to the rack. Although I am careful not to overload the front basket or else the handling can be influenced in a way I don't care for. Partial build list:Brakes: tektro r559Brake levers: TRP RRL SRShifters: Shimano bar endCrankset: Velo Orange 46/30Rear Cassette: 8 sp 11-34Rims: velocity dyad machine builtHub: Shimano LX, dyno on frontTires: Compass loup loup pass 38mmHandle bars: Nitto RandoStem: Nitto technomic 90mmSaddle: Brooks B-17 (8 year old one I had lying around)pedals: shimano a530Fenders: SKS P55Cages: King cage & arundel looney binFront light: schmidt edelux ii (bought from riv)Rear light: toplight (i think? i wasn't to picky hear and the bike shop hooked it up)Front rack: mark's rackRear rack: pletscherRear bag: sackville mediumNot great iphone pics->Other thoughts:Sizing - This is a 58. I measure my pbh at 87 which is right in the middle on the size chart. It fits and I'm comfortable. That being said I probably could have gone with a 54.5 frame just as well.Handle bars - the Nitto rando has a ton of positions and is generally fine but I think the reach is just a hair long for me. I'll eventually probably swap them out for something more compact, but I don't think I'll go full upright yet. Tires - compass loup loups roll well but I've averaged a flat about every 3 weeks (more than once to a dinky little piece of wire). They are really the only thing i wish i'd spec'd differently on the original build. I'm swapping them out for some panaracer paselas on Will's advice. Hopefully these will be beefier.Brakes - levers are sweet, plenty of stopping power. I get disc brakes (my NFE has them) but in my [limted] practical experience they can be a pain. I might swap out for some pauls at some point just because i like the way pauls look not for lack of performance from the tektrosSackville medium - is awesome. I've commuted in pouring rain and stuff inside has stayed dry. There's plenty of room for my daily ride especially coupled with the front basket. I use a outershell foldable backpack as a stuff sack of sorts as the sackville stays on the bike.Aesthetics - The color is so nice in person, the web pics don't do it justice. I like, from a purely visual perspective, bikes with a flat Tt and shorter chainstays like the original Homer. But this bike still looks great and you can't argue with the ride quality.Saddle - replaced the old worn B17 with a Berthoud aspin. I couldn't get the tension on the B17 tight enough so it was time.It's a total cliche but this bike is versatile and so practical. I could see myself riding a century on it no problem or also loading it up for a s24o. I honestly don't understand why you don't see more talk about it on the group.



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Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[James Warren]

Exactly!-Original Message-
From: Drw 
Sent: Feb 5, 2019 8:57 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

The whole idea is ridiculous. even if this was a rip off (i don't think it is), hasn't riv introduced or pushed for enough things (to their own financial detriment) that other companies copy and sell cheaper years later, that they've earned the right?



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Re: [RBW] question of Compass tires

[James Warren]

My experience with Compass tires has been that the widest I can fit are my 
favorite.

So Barlow Pass were my favorite.
Then Snoqualmie Pass were my favorite.
And now Antelope Hill 55’s are my favorite.

And by favorite, I mean favorite of all tires ever.

-Jim W.


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> On Dec 9, 2018, at 3:17 PM, longdistancedays  wrote:
> 
> Hey all, I have an old atlantis and I have been running Compass 700C x 44 
> Snoqualmie Pass tires for a while , and was considering trying the Compass 
> 700C x 55 Antelope Hills
> 
> I was just curious has anyone gone from the Snoqualmie's to the Antelope 
> hill's and decided to go back to the Snoqualmie's? 
> 
> Wondering what other's experiences were. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Bridgestone MB-2 + Bruce Gordon HMF

[James Warren]

Golden Age Bridgestone


-Original Message-
>From: Joe Bunik 
>Sent: Nov 28, 2018 10:52 PM
>To: rbw-owners-bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Bridgestone MB-2 + Bruce Gordon HMF
>
>BUMP,
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/albums/72157703630407114
>
>… NOW, asking $350 for frame / fork / rack.
>
>If you aren't into the Bruce Gordon "High Mount Front" / mountain
>touring rack (see bottom of page:
>http://www.bgcycles.com/new-page-14/) -- I am happy to substitute a
>conventional BG front low rider. Or, just the frame/fork and no rack
>for $225.
>
>Thanks
>=- Joe Bunik
>Walnut Creek, CA
>
>
>On 11/17/18, Joe Bunik  wrote:
>> Hi BOB
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/albums/72157703630407114
>>
>> Up for offer is a nice, largest-size 1989 MB-2 frame with a (NOS)
>> Bruce Gordon "Rock 'N Road Expedition" 559 fork, and paired up with a
>> BG HMF rack. These MB's are great climbers, and with the integrated
>> front rack would make for an excellent adventure bike.
>>
>> Frame is in good condition, no dents or damage but some paint and
>> decal wear. Fork has minor wear and tear from a lifetime of living in
>> a box of forks.  Among unicrowns, the Gordon forks have an excellent
>> bend and are very well made. Forged plate-dropouts, with HMF-specific
>> rack bosses up top plus front/rear eyelets at the drops. The
>> drive-side top rail of the rack has been expertly repaired by an
>> experienced rack-builder (a new piece of tubing was internally
>> sleeved-in), paint retouched w/ rattle-can black.
>>
>> Asking $425 + actual Bikeflights shipping; please let me know if you
>> are interested or have any questions.
>>
>> Thanks for looking
>> =- Joe Bunik
>> Walnut Creek, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] PSA: 67cm A Homer Hilsen Double Top Tube

[James Warren]

The seller is a solid dude, and I think that bike's a good score for a very tall person.-Jim W.-Original Message-
From: Cody Bartz 
Sent: Nov 27, 2018 8:27 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] PSA: 67cm A Homer Hilsen Double Top Tube

Thought the tall folks may find this lovely beast of interest:https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/rivendell-ahomer-hilsen-67cm/6753590381.html



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[RBW] Everything is Tickety-boo

[James Warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrJHzpaxMOQ

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Re: [RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[James Warren]

I'm gonna quote a friend of mine on this forum, who can identify himself if 
wants to, who said, "Grant basically pioneered bikepacking before it was 
'bikepacking'." I agree with that, at least to some degree.


-Original Message-
>From: Joe Bernard 
>Sent: Oct 4, 2018 9:47 AM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of 
>influenceflat pedal resurgence
>
>Road bikes with tall headtubes, fatter-than-25mm tires and long-reach calipers 
>simply did not exist before Grant started churning them out. Tektro had to 
>make the brake just for him! 
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Re: [RBW] MIT 64cm Homer

[James Warren]

Lugged AND swoopy gets the big thumbs up from me.

New Atlantean!



-Original Message-
>From: Joe Bernard 
>Sent: Oct 1, 2018 4:10 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] MIT 64cm Homer
>
>This looks CRAZY. 
>
>https://www.instagram.com/p/BoaHaRvDFNl/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet=1rii54y083es6
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[RBW] Was “epoch of Rivster” - Now the Tech Immune Bike

[James Warren]

There is a great email today from Riv about the tech-immune bike.

That in a nutshell is why I’ve been a fan of Riv/Bridgestone’s/Grant’s approach 
for 27 years now. We may wring our hands over the details like whether the TT 
slopes 6 degrees or which frame joints have lugs or the number of top tubes. 
Such details may push us into Golden Age or 2TT subgroups. But however that 
goes, to me the value that spans all the epochs is the design that is centered 
around something that will work well and be easy to fix by not being locked 
into any one specialized or dedicated system. I remember a great explanation in 
the 1991 Bridgestone catalog about beating dedicated parts systems. They showed 
a photo of a bike with DiaCompe, Shimano, and Sugino and said “a combo you’ll 
only find on Bridgestones”. They explained how the thumbshifter is less 
vulnerable than Rapid Fire and gives more freedom to mix parts and can be made 
to work with any brand’s derailleur or freewheel as the bike ages.

The first phrase I read in The Bridgestone catalog that hooked me in 1991 was 
“Don’t chase technology.” That principle has guided Riv all along, and it’s why 
I’m here.

-Jim W.

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> On Sep 27, 2018, at 9:29 AM, Philip Williamson  
> wrote:
> 
> Precursor Era!
> 
> I have a 1999 Bontrager set up as you describe. 9/8 steerer, but still pretty 
> short headtube. It's my fastest bike, faster than the LeMond with 30mm 
> GP2000s, but can still get into the dirt. The only thing I'd change would be 
> to add a dropper post. I guess that would be a "cousin species" coexisting in 
> the Golden Age? 
> 
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-7, Daniel M wrote:
>> Prequel / Proto-proto / Embryo... There is nothing in Rivendell's current 
>> lineup that excites me nearly as much as my 1993 Bridgestone MB-1 that I 
>> converted to high flared drop bars (basically recreating the 1987 cockpit) 
>> and shoed with extralight Compass tires. If I were to try to improve on this 
>> design, I'd give it an up-sloping (and slightly shorter) top tube and a 
>> longer head tube so it wouldn't need such a tall stem to get the bars so 
>> high (NORBA geometry is long and low). I'd gladly accept TIG welds instead 
>> of lugs, and I'd frankly prefer 1+1/8" threadless, but these are minor 
>> nitpicks. The bike is athletic, lightweight, flexy in the right way, and 
>> wonderfully quick on rough surfaces.
>> If Riv were to re-design this bike today (they kinda just did), it would 
>> have heavier tubing, super-long chainstays, and 650b wheels, none of which 
>> would be improvements for me. There is something about the creative tension 
>> of the Bridgestone bikes (racing-driven market forces vs. Grant-driven 
>> practicality) that I love. It's why the Police and the Smiths are far better 
>> bands than any of the solo projects that followed.
>> 
>> Daniel M
>> Berkeley, CA
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[James Warren]

The Chica Warrior bikes!-Original Message-
From: Philip Williamson 
Sent: Sep 28, 2018 10:13 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

Aha! All those Roscos were pretty experimental, and cut across the strata in interesting ways. The Arcana or Enigmatic Rivs would also include Patrick Moore's 26" wheeled road bikes, the Mystery Bike, and the custom fixed-gear mountain bike that caused such a stir several years ago. Philip Santa Rosa, CA On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 7:16:20 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:Can we throw an 'Experimental' or 'Avant Garde' Epoch for the odd ball Rosco's and any other one off frames they've done ;) I love my Rosco Road.I was turned on during the AHH/Sam/Atlantis/Hunq days so that is where my heart lies, even though I don't have any of those (anymore). So a 2TTer. But I've always leaned toward the Golden Age and keep my eye out for an orange Ram (especially after seeing Evan's).



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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[James Warren]

I'd also like to suggest that 2TTer is a great name for the epoch whether one actually rides a frame with 2 two top tubes or not.-Original Message-
From: dougP 
Sent: Sep 26, 2018 7:54 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

Philip:I first hear of Rivendell when Adventure Cycling reviewed the Atlantis.  At that time I was researching touring bikes, finding bikes that needed changes to suit my needs.  The reviewer for Adventure Cycling wrote to the effect that "if you're looking for a purpose built touring bike with everything you need, this is it.  Rivendell allows the buyer to spec out lots of the parts so you can make it what you want."  That sold me.  The first time I saw a Rivendell in person was when I pulled my Atlantis out of the shipping box.  A half hour later, rolling down the road, I knew this was the bike.  15 years later it's still my ride 95% of time.  So to your question, probably Golden Age. How could you miss including the Atlantis in that group?  (insert righteously indignant huff here)dougPOn Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or aesthetic most appeals to list members? Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? Are you a "Proto-Riv" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and Herons? A "Golden Ager?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your favorites? Or are you a "2TTer," a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?A "Clemster" and a Rosco? Have you become a "New Atlantean?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, and a Gus Bootster? Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. Philip Santa Rosa, CA 



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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[James Warren]

Oh, sorry, I was presumptuous in suggesting to DougP that you had a typo. Sorry 
about that.

However, I do think Atlantis does belong in Golden Age.

AND also deserves to be the namesake of the New Atlantean Epoch. That's how 
special the Atlantis is. There was a time (99-2000) when it was almost the only 
game in town for that style of bike. In the larger sizes, Riv went ahead with 
it in 700C, and that scared some of us who worried about tire selection. "We 
want real 2-inchers, not weak 700C hybrid 'sort of fatties'". A "29er market" 
wasn't a thing that people said yet, but Riv went ahead anyway, saying "Hey, 
the 700C wide tire offerings will get better." Rivendell deserves a lot of 
credit for that. I think of the Atlantis as the start of the Golden Age. It's 
been over 18 years since it came out, and bikes have been incredibly fun in 
that time.


-Original Message-
>From: Philip Williamson 
>Sent: Sep 26, 2018 8:54 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?
>
>I left out the Atlantis because it spans epochs! Not so much the coelocanth as 
>an aurochs, only recently superseded. 
>
>Philip
>Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[James Warren]

(Doug, he wouldn't have forgotten Atlantis. I have a feeling he typed "Heron" with Golden Age, where he meant to type Atlantis, since Heron was already included with the protos.)Anyway, I'm a 2TTer. I had been a Golden Ager, but when I first rode my Hunq in early '13 with its Big Bens and swept back bars and found that I was just as swift on pavement and climbed as good as ever on dirt, there was no turning back. And the 2TT HIllborne might even be better.But if I were starting anew now, I'd get that new Atlantis with its lugs, curvy 2nd tube, Taiwan awesomeness and absolute beauty and not give it a second thought.-Jim W. (who was a Bridgestone nut since 1991 and joined Riv in year 1, but didn't get my first Riv bike until 2001 Atlantis)-Original Message-
From: dougP 
Sent: Sep 26, 2018 7:54 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

Philip:I first hear of Rivendell when Adventure Cycling reviewed the Atlantis.  At that time I was researching touring bikes, finding bikes that needed changes to suit my needs.  The reviewer for Adventure Cycling wrote to the effect that "if you're looking for a purpose built touring bike with everything you need, this is it.  Rivendell allows the buyer to spec out lots of the parts so you can make it what you want."  That sold me.  The first time I saw a Rivendell in person was when I pulled my Atlantis out of the shipping box.  A half hour later, rolling down the road, I knew this was the bike.  15 years later it's still my ride 95% of time.  So to your question, probably Golden Age. How could you miss including the Atlantis in that group?  (insert righteously indignant huff here)dougPOn Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of Rivendell bikes or aesthetic most appeals to list members? Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best? Is it the era you first encountered Riv in, or did you look back through the back catalog and say, "That's the one for me?" Or did you arrive early, travel into the future with Rivendell and love best what's happening now? Are you a "Proto-Riv" aficionado of Longlows, Allrounders, and Herons? A "Golden Ager?" Are Herons, Rambouillets, and Salukis your favorites? Or are you a "2TTer," a Bombadil, Hunq, and Sam Hillborner?A "Clemster" and a Rosco? Have you become a "New Atlantean?" A Swoop-a-tuber, Hill-biker, and a Gus Bootster? Are these fixed preferences, or have you been most into a different era before? Do you have shadings of more than one?  I first encountered Riv in the Proto era, looking at the All Rounder. Overall I'm a Golden Ager, but the New Atlantean age is looking pretty attractive. Philip Santa Rosa, CA 



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Re: [RBW] Problem with Roadinis?

[James Warren]

Are you considering getting the Roadini now anyway and using one of the longer 
pull brakes? That’s what I would do, because I use those brakes on another 
bike, and I think they’re good. And I’d enjoy the extra clearance.

Good luck,
Jim


> On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:28 AM, Alan H  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Looking for some feedback from folks here about the orange Roadinis.
> 
> Last week I placed an order for one of the new orange Roadinis in a size 50 
> (thanks to my darned 80 cm pbh). After a week without any news from Riv (and 
> having my cc charged), I called to find out when the bike would ship. I was 
> told that they had received a lot of orders and were running a light crew 
> because of Interbike and that my bike would pack and ship yesterday (Friday).
> 
> Yesterday I got a call from Vince saying that there was a problem. He told me 
> that the brake bridge on the orange Roadini frames was in the wrong place and 
> that standard road brake calipers wouldn't work. While he told me the frame 
> would work with longer pull brakes (like Tektros or Pauls), frames with the 
> correct brake bridge wouldn't be back in until December.
> 
> Needless to say I'm a little disappointed and frustrated, especially since I 
> logged on here today and saw folks talking about their new orange Roadinis. 
> Has anyone else gotten a similar story from Riv? 
> 
> On a related topic, since I'm apparently not getting a Roadini, does anyone 
> have experience with Soma's road frames? In particular I like the look of the 
> Stanyan  in 
> pearl white. It has a geometry similar to their ES model and is a fully 
> lugged steel frame at a very attractive price point. The Roadini was 
> obviously my first choice, but I wonder how the Soma stacks up in terms of 
> build and ride qualities.
> 
> Thanks in advance for you input!
> 
> -Alan
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thanks for Gus Grant. What's Next?

[James Warren]

Thank you, Marty.The Long Low was not part of the original trio (Road, All-Rounder, Mountain) in 1994. It came a couple years later, as something more sport-toury with better clearance than the Road Standard. I'd have to go home and pull out readers to see what the year was.Thanks,Jim W.-Original Message-
From: "Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA" 
Sent: Sep 18, 2018 11:07 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Re: Thanks for Gus Grant. What's Next?

Corrections anyone? Got these dates from one of the links above and a quick review of BLUG archives going back to 2010.  Some dates could be argued as to when announced vs when sold/delivered. 
 
  
 


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Road  1994

2.  
All Rounder 1994

3.  
Long Low    1994

4.  
Mountain Expedition    1994

5.  
Heron 1998

6.  
Atlantis   1999

7.  
Rambouillet     2001

8.  
Romulus 2002

9.  
Redwood     2002

10.  
Quickbeam  2004

11.  
Saluki  2004

12.  
Glorius    2004

13.  
Wilbury    2004

14.  
A Homer Hilsen    2006

15.  
Bleriot     2006

16.  
Legolas   2007

17.  
Bombadil 2009

18.  
Samuel Hillborne      2009

19.  
Hunqapillar  2011

20.  
Betty Foy    2010

21.  
Yves Gomez    2010

22.  
Roadeo   2011

23.  
Appaloosa   2012

24.  
Simpleone   2013

25.  
Cheviot    2014

26.  
Clem Smith (Clementine)      2014

27.  
Roscoe Bubbe 2016

28.  
Hubbuhubbuh   2017

29.  
L. Roadini    2017

30.  
Frank Jones Sr.    2018

31.  
Gus Boots-Willsen   2018


 
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Re: [RBW] FS: VP Gripsters Dark Grey Pedals

[James Warren]

Hi Eric,
I’m interested, snd $40 is a good deal.

-Jim Warren

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> On Aug 30, 2018, at 5:29 PM, Eric Karnes  wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the last few FS posts, but getting rid of a few parts in 
> preparation for a new build...
> 
> VP Gripsters (VP-001) in Dark Grey. Pretty much look like new. I've removed a 
> few of the pins from the front area on top and bottom, which kept them from 
> getting caught on my shoes when starting off. I'll look for the extra pins in 
> my parts bin. How does $40 shipped conus sound?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[James Warren]

I did once. Grey-blue Hillborne with two top tubes and tweed Nigel Smythe 
loafer on the rear rack. The commenter specifically referenced the bag in back, 
asking if Toto was in there. Not too jerkish though.

A jerk-toned comment once was, "Do you have a picnic back there?" My answer 
was, "I don't understand why you wouldn't it."


-Original Message-
>From: masmojo 
>Sent: Aug 27, 2018 12:27 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch 
>Subject: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks
>
>Mark, Ive gotten rid of bikes for no other reason except they were black, BUT 
>black Clementines look wicked sick!! If I ever got another it would have to be 
>black!
>Although, people already ask me where Toto is; does anyone else ever get Wiz 
>of Oz comments?
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Re: [RBW] 65 Homer Hilsen F/F/HS

[James Warren]

Yes, the top tube is quite long compared to other bikes in similar size that 
used drop bars. Mine needed a stem about 3 cm shorter than what I’m used to.


> On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:36 AM, David B  wrote:
> 
> According to charts (scroll down for the 'old' MUSA version), top tube is 
> 62.5cm.
> 
> 
> On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 9:21:54 AM UTC-5, Reed Kennedy wrote:
> Mind measuring the top tube, Ben? The 65cm isn’t listed on the current Riv 
> geometry charts. 
> 
> Also, what’s your location? Would you sell in person to someone nearby?
> 
> Best,
> Reed
> 
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:11 PM Ben Miller  > wrote:
> For your consideration, a 65 Homer Hilsen Frame/Fork/Headset made a 
> Waterford. $1000+shipping via Bikeflights
> 
> No dents or dings. Some beausage, lost paint chips from normal use. 
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZozAp9arDV1WVdw99 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant is asking us to not run baskets on Nitto Racks

[James Warren]

I genuinely appreciated the lecture, Collin.


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> you should be
> 
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 10:11:40 PM UTC-5, Collin A wrote:...
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry for the lecture,
>> Collin A
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Re: [RBW] Re: Visiting Portland this weekend: Rivish riding, Rivelo, VeloCult etc.

[James Warren]

:-(


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> On Aug 3, 2018, at 10:48 AM, Justin, Oakland  wrote:
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> Hopefully VeloCult is still open when you stop by. 
> 
> Sad what’s happening there. 
> 
> -J
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Re: [RBW] Re: Visiting Portland this weekend: Rivish riding, Rivelo, VeloCult etc.

[James Warren]

Nice! Thanks John! I’m stopping in for sure.


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> On Aug 3, 2018, at 7:51 AM, John A. Bennett  wrote:
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> Dear Jim, 
> 
> Would be great to see you at Rivelo (Saturday or Sundaywe're closed 
> Monday).
> 
> We generally have cold drinks in the cooler, and the long-awaited pizza place 
> just opened last month (next door).
>  
> https://mthoodbrewing.com/pdx-menu/
> 
> All the best,
> 
> John
> 
>> On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 7:55:54 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Portland friends, 
>> 
>> I’m visiting Portland with my all-rounder-style bike at least till Monday. 
>> If anyone wants to meet Sunday or Monday for any kind of ride or to just 
>> socialize and get a drink or meet at Rivelo or whatever, that would be fun. 
>> You can reply off of the forum. (Saturday is a also a slight possibility 
>> depending on what my siblings I’m visiting are doing.) 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> Jim W.
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