I had a pair of the original MUSA knickers, and they were pretty good:
perfect weight -- not too heavy, not too light; long enough to stay cinched
below knee, but IMO, cut too low in the waist, and had no fly -- I wanna
fly, unless I wear tights.
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Ron Mc
I'm not going to compare them to MUSA, because MUSA are perfect in my book.
.
I'll compare them to the Garneau, which don't stay below your knee. The
knee gusset in the Garneau is comfortable, but it actually causes them to
ride up , and the short velcro strap on the Garneau won't seal the
That would also be my question. I just took a pair of wool dress pants to
the tailor yesterday to be cut to knicker length, and for me, knicker
length is long enough so that when I raise my knee above my waist, the hem
can be cinched tightly just below the knee and just begin to bind. I
suppose
How is the sizing? I have some MUSA large pants and they are perfect. The
inseam sounds out of proportion to the waist sizing.
Cheers,
Patrick
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, John Hawrylak
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> Ron
>
> Does the Karpos knickers remain below your knee when
Ron
Does the Karpos knickers remain below your knee when riding??
John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 10:31:18 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
> I have a review on Karpos knickers, which I bought from Holland. Sat in
> customs for 3 weeks, but finally arrived this week.
> I
here's the link for the Karpos knickers
https://www.trekkinn.com/outdoor-mountain/karpos-casatsch-baggy-3-4/137009/p_post=542306_1_null=eng=210
On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 9:31:18 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I have a review on Karpos knickers, which I bought from Holland. Sat in
> customs
I have a review on Karpos knickers, which I bought from Holland. Sat in
customs for 3 weeks, but finally arrived this week.
I tried some Garneau knickers which are good, but these are much better.
They feel tight when you put them on, then they disappear.. They stretch
everywhere really.
No offense to Grant, but I can find merino elsewhere. It's MUSA pants,
shorts and knickers I can't find substitutes. (don't shorten the legs on
the pants, part of what makes them work for me - ha)
On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:27:53 PM UTC-6, BSWP wrote:
>
> I have worn out two pair of
I have worn out two pair of MUSA shorts, have one spare on hand, and wish I
could get more. I have a pair of MUSA pants, and long for knickers. I wear
size L, which quickly sells out, alas. But I do look forward to the next
run of 80 pants, and will jump when they're offered. Oh, and the thin
Yeah, me too. I've said it before and might as well say it again: if there
needs to be a commitment in the form of pre-orders, to make a run worthwhile,
I'm down for several pairs of knickers and a couple pair of shorts at a minimum.
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Big bummer. I love the MUSA stuff (especially the knickers) and am happy
to support the endeavor. I was hoping for another run of knickers and
shorts so that I could stock up for the next 20 years but it sounds like I
might not get the chance. I shall cling to what I have until it's
I have two pair of MUSA shorts of various vintage/shades of green, which I wear
pretty much every day for 3/4s of the year here in sunny (currently cold)
California. I'll pick up another in black if Size L ever comes in again.
I had the grey/blue pants for a while, but outgrew them (read:
I would like to thank Grant for trying so hard for 14 years to bring MUSA to
us. It is that ethos that in great part has kept me coming again and again to
Riv. His decision to pay his employees well and IIRC, for them to have a 401k,
and his support of charities is a business model that, were I
My gray/blue MUSA long pants have been great.
Glad to hear of more normal looking ones coming down the pike. Not having
Velcro and reflective stripe is a plus for meeting the wife at restaurants.
With the reflective stripes people may think either bike clothes or prison
clothes or road worker
Hey, Grant: I've owned enough of Rivendell clothing to confidently assert
that, in my own very personal experience, the pluses far outweigh the
minuses.
Here's an idea (puhleeze?): bring back some of the Wooly Warm stuff. I have
that Wooly Warm ragg-type over-jersey (4-or-so button plaquet, rear
Clothing companies with staff designers can please more people than bicycle
companies trying their hand at clothing, that's for sure. Making one style
and fit of anything and trying to fit the O's and I's, the short and tall,
the ones who like a tailored fit and the ones who don't, and that's even
Aye, Grant. I used to only wear a kilt. I quickly realized my aversion to
pants was all the rubbing they do. For a wimpy brain like mine, that's a
lot of neural input, and near a day's allotment in just an hour. That was
unsustainable. So was a kilt on a bike. Knickers are brilliant (I only
The MUSA wool undies are the best boxer briefs ever, IMO. $40 a pair for
undies is crazy for people who are used to buying undies at Walmart or
similar, but in my opinion life is too short to wash with boring soap and
life is too short to wear lame undies. If MUSA undies ever come back, I'm
Which pants are you referring to? MUSA?
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 6:16 AM, Garth wrote:
> The pants seemed a bit odd to me. For one, for a company that promotes
> wearing "normal" clothes the pants with the reflectors and large velcro
> straps reminded me of a fireman's
On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 10:46:16 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I just referred someone to MUSA shorts on another forum - now I can't find
> even knickers on Rivbike?
> What's us?
>
MUSA may be the longest-running flop in the RBW micro-empire. As anybody
who knows me knows, I am never
I have enjoyed the shirts that Rivendell sells, and still wear some old ones
-Viyella overstocks, Rockmount varieties - and newer ones branded MUSA. My
shorts and pants will outlast me (except maybe the boosuckers), but I'll miss
those shirts in a few years. I will order mass qtys if the chance
Garth,
FWIW, your assertion that knickers can ever look "normal" for everyday wear
strikes me as odd. I can only recall twice seeing someone wearing knickers
on the street. While they might be handy, they're hardly "normal" attire.
In addition, I found the velcro straps very handy indeed. I
Garth,
I didn't like the pants at first. A bit baggy, didn't like the look. I
didn't mind the reflectors, and my generation has zippers instead of velcro.
Over time, I have come to appreciate them for super casual uses: biking and
camping, mostly. And for that they are great. Super comfy and
Garth,
I didn't like the pants at first. A bit baggy, didn't like the look. I
didn't mind the reflectors, and my generation has zippers instead of velcro.
Over time, I have come to appreciate them for super casual uses: biking and
camping, mostly. And for that they are great. Super comfy and
I've never found anything to work significantly better than a pair of
dickies work pants with maybe a strap for the drive-side pant leg depending
on the size of the leg opening. I love the MUSA half-mitts though,
especially since they added the warm lining. I'd also be psyched if they
bring
I couldn't care less about the knickers, but I wear the pants and shorts
all the time. I hope they continue those. The only problem I've had is
the rear pockets tearing on several pairs I use commuting.
Marc
On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 8:25:40 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I live and ride
I live and ride in the shorts in summer, ride in the knickers all winter,
and live in the pants all winter.
The pants always get compliments
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The pants seemed a bit odd to me. For one, for a company that promotes
wearing "normal" clothes the pants with the reflectors and large velcro
straps reminded me of a fireman's pant, not a "normal" looking pant at
all. For comparison, he Compass knicker looks like a normal knicker
I thought of the Compass knickers, but Jan's description made them seem to
thin -- I don't want to be obliged to wear tights under them when it gets
cold.
I found an excellent deal on 2 pr of Endura "Urban" pants at an apparently
Spain-based vendor called "Bike Inn." The list is, IIRC, $98, but I
Patrick
again thanks for the explanations. Yes, Gen 2 was baggier and RBW seemed
to "crow" about it.
Compass has a nice pair, have you looked at theirs?? They do not seem to
be 4" below the knee from the pictures??? They are pricey, but in line
with Compass stuff.
John Hawrylak
Woodstown
John: I owned a pair of the first gen MUSA knickers and they were just long
enough to cinch under the knee and allow free movement; another inch would
have been good. Apparently the 2nd gen were as you say like long pants that
weren't quite long enough. They were also a lot baggier -- not my
Patrick
Ok, now I understand why the extra length is required. Thanks. I do NOT
remember any mention of why you need the extra length in the RBW
description of the longer knickers.
John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 2:15:30 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
> At least
Take a rubberband or strap and snug up your pants just below your knee
(squat as you do so, to allow for proper fit above the knee). Tuck your
lower pants into a tall sock. Move. Ride. No constant pulling of the pants
up and down the leg. Less energy. Less constant clothing motion. If needed,
Knicker socks, like those from Bicycle Fixations. More flexible than long pants.
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> On Dec 4, 2016, at 1:39 PM, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Why knickers in the first place?
>
> If it is warm enough for shorts, I'd wear shorts.
>
> Too cold for shorts?
Why knickers in the first place?
If it is warm enough for shorts, I'd wear shorts.
Too cold for shorts? I'd opt for full length pants for full coverage.
Why chill the olde shin bones with knickers?
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Aye. http://www.orvis.com/p/moleskin-breeks/4y47s
Most colors/sizes gone, as they are on clearence ($113, retail $250).
Riding with them so far they are good up to 50˚F and down to at least 10˚F
and 50 mph winds with no long johns under them. Followed the recommendation
to size up 2 sizes and
Patrick the Deacon: can you point me to the source for your moleskins?
I made several pairs of very nice riding knickers out of good quality men's
dress pants, simply by having them hemmed 6 or 8" below knee, and having
velcro straps added. I still have one pair, and I dearly wish I hadn't
Knickers, er, Breeches, uh, Breeks, are an old garment type and, as Patrick
of the Moore points out, they are supposed to extend below the knee when
unchinced so that when cinched above the calf there is room to move. My
traditional birding moleskin breeks I am using this winter come down to
Goes to show how hard it is to please everybody, i guess. I LOVED the longer
knickers, and i have shortish legs.
I'm talking out my a** now, but i don't think and didn't mean to suggest that
some design feature made them unpopular. My understanding is that the
manufacturer needs/expects to
At least 4" below knee. Please! Otherwise, when you cinch them tight just
below the knee, there is not enough slack to allow you to bend your leg
comfortably through the pedal stroke.
On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:11 PM, John Hawrylak
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> WRT Knickers, RBW would be
WRT Knickers, RBW would be better to stay with the traditional length, just
below the knees. The last run had a length just above the ankles and
looked like pants that were too short. I do not what they were thinking.
No wonder they languished on the shelf.
John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ
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