[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
Thanks, Michael. If I understand correctly, you're saying to try to find an albastache bar that mistakenly had the wrong collar installed - not to find a smaller collar alone, to swap. ( I guess that's the only way it would work, so of course that's what you're saying.) I'll ask Riv, but I won't push them if it's really a time sink. I might take the opportunity to ask if there are plans for bars in the other size though. I find it kind of curious that they would have chosen the 26.0 if there was going to be only one option. There are currently three Nitto moustache bars in rotation in my household, and they're all 25.4. And several dirt drop stems, all in 26.0. Sometimes they get used together with shims, but more often not. It's sure nice to have the flexibility of multiple options. On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 10:50:49 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: A call to RBW might yield the odd 25.4 collar for 'ya if someone is nice enough to sift through the stock and see if NITTO sent them an odd one. Preposterous!?!?! - you say? In 2013, I bought an advertised 26.0 NITTO Moustache from RBW and it actually had a 25.4 collar - yet it was the correct Nitto road bike 'stache, not the NITTO MTB 'stache (which is 25.4, but the curves are different, I think). One must have been mistakenly shipped to them along with the regular 26-ers from NITTO. Me and them were both puzzled about this, but there it was, stamped into the collar and calipered to show it. *The folks at RBW were very, very nice to me* and let me exchange it for another bar. I would not alter your bar. Doesn't sound safe at all. Maybe others could chime in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
Not to be rude, but why do you need to keep your 25.4 stem besides cost? Could you get away with the Nitto Technomic, which is still a nice enough stem? I definitely think that taking material off the Albastaches is a bad idea. Or maybe someone has a 26.0mm stem that would work for you. I might have a 3TTT in 26.0mm in the parts bin that I was going to put on my Peugeot PX-10 w moustache bars, but it was way too low so I went with a Nitto Technomic deluxe. Ryan in Winnipeg, MB On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:29:54 PM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote: I've been building up a really special bike project this winter, but just hit a snag. It was intended to serve somewhere in the space between a mountain bike and a road bike, for fast rides on bumpy roads trails, more mountain than road. Having *finally* dialed-in and become completely enamored with the original moustache bars on my road bike last year, I thought that Albastache bars might be the perfect thing for this build: wider, less reach, and less drop. But, as I prepared to order them from Riv, I discovered (as most of you probably already knew) that they only come in 26.0 clamp diameter. Darn it! I really need to keep my 25.4 stem. Has anybody ever had or heard of in success reducing the diameter of the clamp area on a bar like this? They have the extra aluminum sleeve, so I don't think the bar integrity would be compromised. But I don't have any idea how to do it evenly so that there's still a nice round section. Probably just file and sand, I guess? My stem is welded steel, so it could conform to a slightly irregular shape better than a forged one could. Re-sale-ability be damned, is this a bad idea? Likewise, has anybody heard rumors of Riv eventually releasing these in both clamp size options? Thoughts appreciated... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
Not rude at all. Probably hard for most to understand my reasoning, though. The bike is a really rare, Ritchey softtail. It has an almost as hard-to-find 1 steerer suspension fork, that requires a threadless headset. And I have the period-correct Ritchey-labeled, threadless, nitto-built stem, that would have put the bars exactly where I wanted them. I know I can get plenty of newer stems that would work, but I really wanted it to look right, being such a special bike. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for the offer of the stem, in any case. Much appreciated! I'll probably just have to use flat bars in the end. On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:39:15 AM UTC-7, Ryan wrote: Not to be rude, but why do you need to keep your 25.4 stem besides cost? Could you get away with the Nitto Technomic, which is still a nice enough stem? I definitely think that taking material off the Albastaches is a bad idea. Or maybe someone has a 26.0mm stem that would work for you. I might have a 3TTT in 26.0mm in the parts bin that I was going to put on my Peugeot PX-10 w moustache bars, but it was way too low so I went with a Nitto Technomic deluxe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
OH..I .see what you mean. That is a problem. Albastache bars would be nice but...I guess it's down to flat bars or maybe with a slight rise in 25.4? I know in the Bstone era there were 25.4 M-bars made by Hsin Leung which were not exactly the same as the Nitto-built 26.0 on the X0-1's. Maybe a pair of those could be found on fleabay or craigslist? They are not the jewelry that the Nittos are, but if Grant specced them on the midrange models , they're not crappy either A lot of internet bobbers are on this list, but perhaps you could try posting on internet-bob, too. Good luck with your search; sounds like a neat bike. (I am a big fan of Moustache bars myself; I have them on 3 bikes and I have 2 NIP just in case. 1 pair is going on my Peugeot, though as its bars are the stock ones that came off my X0-1. A good idea to replace them after 20 years, I think) On Thursday, February 27, 2014 10:09:35 AM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote: Not rude at all. Probably hard for most to understand my reasoning, though. The bike is a really rare, Ritchey softtail. It has an almost as hard-to-find 1 steerer suspension fork, that requires a threadless headset. And I have the period-correct Ritchey-labeled, threadless, nitto-built stem, that would have put the bars exactly where I wanted them. I know I can get plenty of newer stems that would work, but I really wanted it to look right, being such a special bike. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for the offer of the stem, in any case. Much appreciated! I'll probably just have to use flat bars in the end. On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:39:15 AM UTC-7, Ryan wrote: Not to be rude, but why do you need to keep your 25.4 stem besides cost? Could you get away with the Nitto Technomic, which is still a nice enough stem? I definitely think that taking material off the Albastaches is a bad idea. Or maybe someone has a 26.0mm stem that would work for you. I might have a 3TTT in 26.0mm in the parts bin that I was going to put on my Peugeot PX-10 w moustache bars, but it was way too low so I went with a Nitto Technomic deluxe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
Would anyone else suggest installing the 26.0 bars in the 25.4 quill? I've done it a couple times and have lived to tell about it. If you spread the clamp as you install you won't even scratch the bars. Kevin Chicago, IL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
In my pre-Atlantis days, I did not know about road vs MTB stems bar diameters. To get the bars on my UJB road bike up higher, I picked up a cheap MTB stem off the bargain table at my LBS and spronged it open to shove my existing drop bars into it. Had to a bit of prying futzing to get the bolt to line up, but assumed all the fuss was because it was a poorly made stem. Rode that set-up for thousands of miles several years without incident. Now that I know better, I try to do things right, but it's interesting what you can do when you don't know you can't. :-) dougP On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:55:58 AM UTC-8, Kevin Mulcahy wrote: Would anyone else suggest installing the 26.0 bars in the 25.4 quill? I've done it a couple times and have lived to tell about it. If you spread the clamp as you install you won't even scratch the bars. Kevin Chicago, IL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
I was thinking of doing a kickstarter for a new product that I think has a real market in the bicycle industry. I want to develop negative-space antimatter handlebar and seatpost shims. Using my -0.6mm thick bubbashim you could shim down a 26.0mm handlebar to fit into a 25.4mm stem clamp. What do you think? On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:09:35 AM UTC-8, iamkeith wrote: Not rude at all. Probably hard for most to understand my reasoning, though. The bike is a really rare, Ritchey softtail. It has an almost as hard-to-find 1 steerer suspension fork, that requires a threadless headset. And I have the period-correct Ritchey-labeled, threadless, nitto-built stem, that would have put the bars exactly where I wanted them. I know I can get plenty of newer stems that would work, but I really wanted it to look right, being such a special bike. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for the offer of the stem, in any case. Much appreciated! I'll probably just have to use flat bars in the end. On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:39:15 AM UTC-7, Ryan wrote: Not to be rude, but why do you need to keep your 25.4 stem besides cost? Could you get away with the Nitto Technomic, which is still a nice enough stem? I definitely think that taking material off the Albastaches is a bad idea. Or maybe someone has a 26.0mm stem that would work for you. I might have a 3TTT in 26.0mm in the parts bin that I was going to put on my Peugeot PX-10 w moustache bars, but it was way too low so I went with a Nitto Technomic deluxe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
Is the Nitto stem an open face, 2 or 4 bolt design ? If so, you could likely use the Alba's without a problem. If it's not open, surely you can find another stem that can offer the same bike position. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:55:58 AM UTC-5, Kevin Mulcahy wrote: Would anyone else suggest installing the 26.0 bars in the 25.4 quill? I've done it a couple times and have lived to tell about it. If you spread the clamp as you install you won't even scratch the bars. Kevin Chicago, IL To which I reply: PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT I have seen a number of aluminum handlebars fail, usually catastrophically, often ending in horrible scenarios. (Full disclosure, 3 or 4 times, once horribly, always scary.) 100% of the time it has been due to a mismatch in handlebar sleeve diameter to stem bore diameter. A classic (pardon the pun) situation is the dude who thinks his old (sorry, super cool vintage) Cinelli or TTT (26.4mm) stem is close enough to his fancy 26.0mm handlebar or vice versa but it is analogous to trying a 26 in a 25.4 stem. Yes, you can get it to fit. The issue is that in order to get it tight enough not to rotate you've got to torque the sh*t out of it. That results in the bar going ever so slightly out of round, which creates two big stress risers smack in the middle of the bar. Aluminum really doesn't like this. Next time you are riding, particularly out of the saddle, try to imagine how much force is applied due to the leverage from your hands (and all your body weight) at the end of those bars to the junction of the stem and bar. The reason we all love Nitto so much is because of their (real, implied, imaginary?) higher standards of quality control. By jamming a handlebar into a mismatched stem you will be defeating everything that Nitto's engineers designed and putting yourself in real risk of serious injury. Sorry to yell, but this is a really dangerous idea and I can't address it without envisioning the specter of my buddy's f*cked-up face after he hit the ground due to forcing the wrong sized bar into a stem. His bike looked wicked retro-cool though!!! -Mike in frigid Htfd, CT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
iamkeith, They sent me a 'stache with a collar that said 25.4 stamped on it. I measured the clamp area, and found it to be smaller than the 26.0 stamped stache I already had at home. Maybe NITTO made a 25.4 and sent RBW one by accident in their regular 26.0 shipment. I would never alter any handlebar. I am not saying look for a collar to swap. I don't even think that would work or could be done anyway. That would be altering the bar. Just see if NITTO made a 25.4 and sent it to RBW by accident in their regular shipments of 26.0 bars. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
You could certainly use a 1-1/8 with a shim. I wouldn't worry about a new stem being strong enough , or using a shim on the steering tube. I know it goes being attached to certain ideas and all lol... but this is not really a big deal , once you decide what you want the most. I was all set against anything threadless , let alone threadless quill adapters . Then I said ... that's just stupid ... and now I use them . Angst over nothing. I would leave the current stem alone. Leave the bars alone. Don't force anything, don't modify anything. The parts you need to fit together exist, and they will come to you and all this will seem like dream. Done Already :) On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:55:52 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote: Stem is a traditional one-bolt. If this wasn't a mountain bike, I'd probably at least *try* to stuff the bar in. I think this stem might actually be better than a modern, forged, removable face-plate design, because it could conform to the stem kind of like a band-clamp - as long as the bolt aligned. But I'm not willing to try, in this case. If I feel limited with a flat bar, I'll probably just end up using a newer stem, even if it's not quite right. Thanks for all the thoughts... AND concerns! On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:42:12 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote: Is the Nitto stem an open face, 2 or 4 bolt design ? If so, you could likely use the Alba's without a problem. If it's not open, surely you can find another stem that can offer the same bike position. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
Nitto 100% definitely without-a-question made the original moustache bars in 25.4. I owned a pair and sold them to a fellow member of this group. They are out there. Would not be suprised if the made the albastache in 25.4- at least a few and maybe just prototypes- but just speculating. Cheers! Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: 25.4 Albastache?
A call to RBW might yield the odd 25.4 collar for 'ya if someone is nice enough to sift through the stock and see if NITTO sent them an odd one. Preposterous!?!?! - you say? In 2013, I bought an advertised 26.0 NITTO Moustache from RBW and it actually had a 25.4 collar - yet it was the correct Nitto road bike 'stache, not the NITTO MTB 'stache (which is 25.4, but the curves are different, I think). One must have been mistakenly shipped to them along with the regular 26-ers from NITTO. Me and them were both puzzled about this, but there it was, stamped into the collar and calipered to show it. *The folks at RBW were very, very nice to me* and let me exchange it for another bar. I would not alter your bar. Doesn't sound safe at all. Maybe others could chime in. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
