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Correct, mine are paired with SRAM brifters. Bill On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 1:27:21 PM UTC-8, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote: > > I just looked them up again (Yokozuna Motoko brakes) and realized they are > in fact "road" disc calipers and appear to use short pull levers, not long > pull/v

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You mention the steerer strength is between 1" and 11/8" threadless. Has anyone given any thought to possibly the superior strength of 1" steerer that Rivendell is possibly using that was not used years past? Both Grant Peterson in early Rivendell Readers possibly and for sure Keith Bontrager

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I just looked them up again (Yokozuna Motoko brakes) and realized they are in fact "road" disc calipers and appear to use short pull levers, not long pull/v brake levers. Didn't realize this initially but thought I'd mention it here for clarification. On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 3:38:33

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Thanks Bill, The shop owner that first mentioned them to me was pretty enthusiastic about 'em during our discussion but since that was last winter I cannot now recall whether he had already tried them and was pleased with their performance/set-up/etc. or was more excited about trying them.

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I just set up my first disc-braked bike using these brakes. Mine are branded Juin Tech (Yokozuna rebrands the calipers includes a set of their own cables, otherwise the same). They are dead simple to set up and adjust - attach the calipers loosely, install the cable, then tighten the caliper

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Anyone here have any experience using the Yokozuna cable actuated hydraulic disc calipers? If I understand correctly these have a sealed hydraulic system contained within the caliper only and use standard long pull brake cables/levers. These were mentioned to me by the owner of a local shop

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Those were sintered pads, but I'm not sure if the material would have mattered. I suspect that environmental conditions (rain, winter road glop) the back plate had been exposed to initiated corrosion deteriorating the surface to which the bond of the pad was adhered. Then I dinged the edge of

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In rainy Portland I wear out my front pads about once a season. So far my sintered disc pads are on track to wear out at about the same rate, perhaps a little faster. The difference is that with rim brakes I can check their status whenever I look down at a stop light. I know when they’re going to

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When was the last time you had to replace a pair of caliper brake pads on the road because you wore them out during a ride?  I usually get years-to-decades from mine. On 12/27/2017 06:19 PM, William Henderson wrote: Yikes! I keep spare pads in my patch kit because it’s hard to watch pad wear

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Yikes! I keep spare pads in my patch kit because it’s hard to watch pad wear so I’m paranoid about wearing a pair out during a ride. Now I have another reason to! Out of curiosity, what sort of material were the pads? I’ve broken resin-type pads while inserting them before but sintered pads seem

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Uh, I had a simple flat fix turn complicated when I replaced the front wheel in the fork, missing the gap between the pads in the caliper by a smidge and shearing the pad's braking material off the backer plate. That's not a roadside repair unless you carry a replacement pair in your bag.

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Patrick, in my experience (Avid BB7, Shimano something mechanical, TRP Spyke, and Shimano M6xxx hydros), the Shimano hydros never seem to have significant rubbing, while the Avids and Shimano mechs seem to end up rubbing quite often. Not much time on the TRPs yet to see where they land. Has

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I expect your difference in experience has less to do with the caliper (BB7s vs Klampers are similar designs) and more to do with your dropouts or perhaps your skewers. The problem is caused by slight differences in how the wheel is seated before and after you remove the wheel. With rim brakes,

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Love my disc brakes. Low level Deore Shimano hydros. I’ve never done anything to them except change the pads - they came on the bike and I’ve swapped bars and wheelsizes and forks an never had an issue. Definitely the best brakes for any sort of “terrain” riding. I’m very happy the hydros came

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Eric: question about hydraulics versus cable. I've read in more than one place opinions by experienced disc brake users that, when it comes to pad rub and adjustment to avoid it, there is little difference between hydraulic and at least the better cable systems (I include BB7s in this last

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I don’t have any disk-equipped bikes. I rode one a few times before deciding not to buy it (for reasons that had nothing to do with the brakes.) One downside that would affect me is that the wheels would not interchange with any of my existing bikes. I can move around wheels in my existing

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I think hydraulic disc brakes would address most of your concerns: - the pads basically stay centered, so wheel removal is easy - once they're set up, maintenance basically involves changing the pads when needed (this takes about one minute). Yes, I guess you could bleed them every year, but so

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Not me, not with discs, as long as you don't slam the pads when inserting the rotor, or bash the rotor against a convenient rock or tree, and bend it. I've had to adjust V brakes and cantis and single pivots more often in such circs than discs. This is my experience, and I've learned to insert the

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If your hands are getting dirty from the rims when you remove your wheels, then you are collecting a lot of aluminum dust on the rims -- not at all good! Even if the dirt were only road grit, still, that has obvious implications for you rims' life. I've probably fixed more roadside flats than any

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Do you have to adjust pads when you R the wheels? On 12/27/2017 02:52 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: I personally find removing and re-installing wheels roadside at least as easy with discs as with calipers or cantis or V brakes, perhaps easier. I'd call this one an easy draw. On Wed, Dec 27,

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I personally find removing and re-installing wheels roadside at least as easy with discs as with calipers or cantis or V brakes, perhaps easier. I'd call this one an easy draw. On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:32 PM, William! wrote: > Hard to say one is easier than the

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I *mean;* I see no reason why Rivendell shouldn't stick to rim brakes ... On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: [...] I see no reason why Rivendell might stick with calipers; -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

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I think it was you who shared with me the photo of your wonderfully repaired, disc-equipped, and repainted Atlantis -- as good as new and then some, IMO. I see no reason why Rivendell might stick with calipers; but I don't think at all that adding a disc brake off road model to their line would

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Hard to say one is easier than the other. Fixing a flat is harder with discs but gets your hands a lot less dirty (a big deal for me). Adjustments with discs are somewhat easier (with Klampers anyway) but you do it somewhat more often. Replacing disc pads is simpler but requires taking the

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Roadside maintenance easier on rim or disc brakes? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

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Apologies for resurrecting such a stale thread with a giant post, please feel free to ignore while I add yet another two cents to the discussion… The reason I've always been attracted to Rivendell bikes is their resistance to the general trend of making bikes more complicated then they need to

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

I feel much less finger, wrist and forearm fatigue with flatbar (i.e. albatross or choco) levers as compared to brifters. In spite of the fact that the road bike (campy Veloce brifters + caliper brakes) is 10 lbs lighter than my Riv (Albatross bars, cheap levers, cheap/horrible cantis), my

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Bill, like you I have a box of old parts, but I am old and the pile is starting to dwindle. If I don't have the right stem I can go get on the internet, ebay or whatevewhatever. The problem is I have a box of 20+ 1 1/8" stems that I could cull from for just about any other build I do! So, it's

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

I am going to throw in one more factor into this discussion (or at least I did not notice it in previous posts). On occasion I ride with a very experienced (past national champion) nearing 80 years old. He said as he has aged his hand strength has weakened and he must brake sooner into

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Very interesting. So, upshot, at least per Mitch's experience: if you have sufficiently wide tires, the discs, at least hydraulics, can stop easier -- and "better" in this sense -- on road bikes with aluminum rims by requiring less concentration and "technique" in hard slowdowns at high speed. I

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

The most amazing bicycle horror story yet... Glad you are OK. Clay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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On Sunday, July 2, 2017 at 3:15:02 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Speaking of discs versus calipers, I've read in more than one place that > discs are useful on racing bikes because they stop faster and therefore let > you go faster into a corner before you have to slow down, so that you

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

"In a study of Americans ages 20-34, occupational therapists found that men younger than 30 have significantly weaker hand grips than their counterparts in 1985 did. The same was true of women ages 20-24, according to the study published online by the Journal of Hand Therapy a few months back."

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Thanks Keith. Yeah I was a little banged up but amazingly nothing serious, definitely lucky. I'm 90% sure the frame is fine / not bent, but guess I won't know until I can ride it again (once I get a straight fork). Keep the rubber side down and watch out for aggressive trees man :) Matt On

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Jeesh, Matt! Hope you're ok, and hope it's just the fork that needs to be replaced. I guess I'd completely overlooked that part of the argument for less-stiff blades, but now it makes sense. Otherwise, I think this might be one of the few places where I disagree with Grant, and believe that

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Whoa, dude. You need to play Lotto. On Monday, July 3, 2017 at 8:14:29 PM UTC-4, Matt B. wrote: > > > > > > On the subject of fork flex, as Grant has often

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

The problem with carbon isn't money but heat. Alloy rims and discs operate best when cool, then fade as heat builds up between pad and braking surface on a long descent. Carbon is reversed: They're crap when cold, then come in as heat is generated by high-horsepower F1 cars or MotoGP bikes. A

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

On the subject of fork flex, as Grant has often pointed out, a good advantage of traditional disc (rim) brakes is that because a steel fork does not

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Thanks. Gawd, this all-over-the-field "discussion" makes me happy to be on the rbw list. Upshot of all the back-and-forth: discs (hydraulic? Not said) modulate better -- maybe. I'm mot convinced. (Note origonal question.) Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Garth

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Here is a good discussion about rim and disc brakes . http://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycling/1092227-braking-stopping-power-question.html Apparently carbon makes for a poor brake surface for any brake, unless you are an F1 team and have the unlimited funds to make some discs that do work well

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

The tour de France made history today with disc brakes... But my rosco Bubbe v2 has been great with caliper brakes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

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Speaking of discs versus calipers, I've read in more than one place that discs are useful on racing bikes because they stop faster and therefore let you go faster into a corner before you have to slow down, so that you can negotiate corners faster than with calipers. I daresay that hydraulic

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

There must be some fork bounciness, but it's hard to isolate the effects of forks, tires, wheels, weight distribution, and front-center dimensions when you're riding over bumps. Also, there's the tremendous but usually neglected in "technical discussions" effects of rider-joint-springs. It's

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That's not a bad article, though some of both the pro's and con's are nit-picky and not of real importance in real life -- eg, on the "pro" side, that you can slap reflective tap on your rims' braking surface. Sure, I choose my brakes based on reflective tape; and in fact, the light disc rims

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Here's another perspective on the pro/con . https://www.sheldonbrown.com/disc-brakes.html The more I acquaint myself with disc brakes pros and cons I can see where GP is coming from in not offering discs. For the intended uses and ride qualities of a frame of his design yeah, I can where

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I'd love to see a photo of your disc'd Atlantis. As for Jan's take on discs, I don't consider him a disc expert. Certainly, in my 50 years of riding all sorts of brakes, from rods to rod/Bowden hybrids, to Altenbergers, to mechanical discs, I deny that mechanicals with 160 mm rotors are not as

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Safety! Now there is an argument to upgrade the whole stable! ;-) On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 10:49:45 AM UTC-7, William! wrote: > > After almost 10 years of commuting and touring I wrecked my Atlantis when > a car pulled out in front of me. Besides taco'ing the wheel, it needed a > new fork

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Good points William. Now let's get a look at this resurrected Anlanti with discs. ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipeedemusings.com/ On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:49 AM, William!

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After almost 10 years of commuting and touring I wrecked my Atlantis when a car pulled out in front of me. Besides taco'ing the wheel, it needed a new fork and tube replacements. When I got it rebuilt, I decided to switch to disc brakes instead of staying with cantilevers. I'll start out by

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Oh, yes. DiscoHunq. Genius. Now they almost have to do it. Maybe a disco ball with a J. Travolta figure wearing Riv Spats as the headbadge... On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 1:50:22 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote: > > Mark wrote: " I would imagine if a disc Riv were ever to emerge, it could > be, like a

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Mark wrote: " I would imagine if a disc Riv were ever to emerge, it could be, like a Mark's Rack, a Bob's HunqaDiscar," "DiscoHunq"? Grant had said a rim is a rotor. Having never replaced a rotor on either of the two bikes I've had with disk, I find the argument that you don't have to replace

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I just read it. Good articles, and I agree with most of what he says. Still, disc brakes have their place, among the advantages is very light rims; that and not wearing out expensive rims quickly are the main reasons I like discs on my dirt road bike. On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Garth

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He goes into that in the second link Patrick. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

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the V-brake was the worst of both worlds really, but that's a whole different article Now why would he say that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

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Here is a perspective from Rodriguez Bikes who custom builds tandem, road, mtb and touring frames and bikes. http://www.rodbikes.com/articles/disco-fever/disco-fever.html http://rodcycle.com/articles/brakes.html And for those thinking they can just have some fittings brazed on to their

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Your colleagues' awkwardness with getting into and out of pedals makes me think of my younger self, some 25+ years ago, when I started using slotted cleats and early clipless systems -- Grafton! Sampson! -- I recall the (very carefully hidden) trepidation with which I approached every red light

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Written in this thread: *But I don't think discs would dilute his product; after all, isn't what most makes Rivendells to be Rivendells the ride and the feel? If not, if it's just rim brakes and retro styling, then they're just pretty consumer objects.* *Of all the niggling little things

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I use SPDs, or should I say I have mastered using them and have stuck with them I stay out of the clipless/platform conversations. This is an old habit and muscle memory I've had since rehabbing from injury/surgery. Had pretty serious neuropathy and proprioception trouble and kept my foot

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I know I'm sounding like a parrot here and I'll stfu after this, but Riv sells steel bikes and of the approximately 1,000,000 framebuilders in the United States (true, most of them are in Portland, but bikeflights is your friend) there are bound to be some are capable of and would happily put

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Someone else in this thread said why should it be one way or the other. There are many, many aspects of Riv bikes that I swear by - which is the reason I spend 3x the money (as compared to off-the-shelf choices I had considered) building one. Introducing discs doesn't make all the other

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Chauncey builds great bikes, but he doesn't build bikes that handle like Rivendells, and I'm not sure another builder to do so would be that easy to find, and certainly not at Chauncey's prices. I must say though that my hankering for a Hunq is a very light or modest hankering; I'm very happy

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Lol. The defect. Hahaha. I think your point of view is a little fiddly. You have a Matthews, which is a custom builder of frames. So presumably you could have built whatever type of bike you wanted which would have the ride characteristic you seek. You could have told Matthews I want a single top

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Canti brakes are not going away anytime soon. Of course "the industry" is pushing them because that is their business, to sell stuff and for no other reason. (Don't get me started on how the cassette wheel system is supposedly so superior to the fw system. ahahahahahaa!, and save the

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On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:16:46 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Jay Connolly prophesied what will happen if Rivendell doesn't make a > disc-brake single bike. > > I've prophesied that Rivendell is not going to make a disc-brake single > bike. > > *BUT*if they did decide to make

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The defect of this point of view is that one would not be able to get a bike that handles and fits and feels like a Rivendell, but that has disc brakes, short of taking your Hunq or Atlantis to a local builder. I'd swap my Matthews, as much as I like it, for a disc-brake Hunq! (But single top

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Andy: I take it that you are riding no-retention? Aside: interesting: I used MKS RX-1 track pedals on my gofast for a while, with clips and straps and strap buttons (very useful little doodads), and excessively kool old skool Rivats with leather soles and 2-bolt slotted cleats. I found it quite

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I think discs have been oversold in the bike market, and IME V brakes are ideal brakes if you want stopping power, wide tires, and ease of setup. But discs do have this advantage, that they allow you to use a very light rim -- practically tubular rim weight. The Velocity Blunt SS has a claimed

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

All very interesting comments. I see a Rivendell like I see a vintage volvo or vintage muscle car in regards to the enthusiast values the aesthetic of a different era of manufacture. This is why I would not expect Rivendell to change. They exist as a niche within the greater whole. If you want

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Jay Connolly prophesied what will happen if Rivendell doesn't make a disc-brake single bike. I've prophesied that Rivendell is not going to make a disc-brake single bike. *BUT*if they did decide to make a test run of disc brake equipped bikes, what would you have them build? In my

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Meant to say "often" the only ferrous framed rider present some weeks. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:53:47 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote: > > I don't see it as any battle against industry "progress", but rather the > preservation of options. Objectively it can be argued that

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I don't see it as any battle against industry "progress", but rather the preservation of options. Objectively it can be argued that something is better for whatever scalar you choose, that does not make me like it. Preference is very important when you have persisted in an equipment dependent

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I used only canti brakes a quite a while. Then I went ro discs. When I discovered v-brakes, I wondered why I had bothered with discs. For true MTBs, I think discs are an advantage in mud, and I prefer XT-level hydraulics, which have been faultless, for me. Most mechanicals are fiddly, though

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On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 1:16:58 PM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: > > For forks you gotta go back to Rivendell or go custom > If you want the Riv look, yes, but there are still plenty of third-party forks in the 1" steertubeway out there if getting a replacement is necessary and you can't

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You've gotta put a reinforcing rib on the back of the caliper-side fork blade; it's fussy, but it doesn't spoil the look of a riv fork NEARLY as much as jackknifing one of the fork blades. -david parsons On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 12:18:23 PM UTC-7, Peter White wrote: > > Oh, no! Put a disc

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My 2 cents: Three cheers for building weirdo frames around surplus forks. I have a Rosco V1 and am patiently awaiting my MMM (Medium Mountain Mixte) Disc brakes (and V brakes) are ugly and a pain to adjust. I have two bikes with discs (hydraulic) not counting the HHH. My Bike Friday has V

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Yeah, I don't think scarcity of parts would be on my list for worries with a Riv. Build quality, ride quality, and ease of maintenance has always been great with Rivendells for me. But, and this is just for me and my current riding life, Riv is unfortunately not making a bike for my riding

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The reality about parts is this: - you can fit a modern outboard bearing crank on a Riv. 68mm bb shells aren't going away. - rim brakes aren't going away. - seatposts? Always there - saddles are fine - quills stems are produced constantly by several makers - tires we have MORE of now than 10

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Steel frames are not going away. There are many large and small operations that do custom frames and repair. Here in Ohio for example is Jack Franklin who makes his own and repairs any steel frame. He also does Al and Ti makes of his own. By far he said he thrives on repairs, often fixing

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I have to agree that thoughts about parts becoming extinct or hard to find is becoming paranoia. Really, quill stems? There's nitto. But don't forget that kalloy and sunlite, chinese made stuff, still sell quill stems. Steel forks? Come on, as long as there are steel framebuilders, there will

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also to add, i don't think rivendell has ever made a choice based on saving themselves money, moreso saving the customer money. i rather like the quill stem even if for aesthetic reasons. never had a problem with them. OTOH i bought an old raleigh (before they moved production from UK), and

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masmojo said "it's getting hard to replace Rivendell parts". Let me know what Rivendell part you are having a hard time finding, and I'll try to help you out. If you are fretting about hypotheticals, I think that's a little bit unnecessary. Jones makes awesome bikes. I don't think it

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Correction it looks as though the new VO will have a quill stem after all. Strange. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Bill, part of my concern is also long term viability. As it stands it's getting very hard to replace Rivendell parts, because they are such throw backs. For forks you gotta go back to Rivendell or go custom & even custom might get hard to source at some point. It's doable now, but what about 10

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I have no dispute with your opinions, masmojo. It's totally fine to suggest them. It's admirable that the suggestions are motivated by goodwill towards Rivendell's business. My own stable has multiple bikes with 1-1/8" steerers, multiple bikes with hydraulic disc brakes, and multiple bike

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Yes, those 2 are the only one I have experience with. On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 12:12:53 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Good to know; the question is becoming clearer. Your experience is with XT > and SLX hydros which presumable have the sort of greater leverage Jeremy > spoke of. > > On

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Oh, no! Put a disc brake onto any Rivendell fork I've ever seen and after the first hard braking you'll have a severely bent left fork blade. Fork blades must be quite a bit stiffer to work with disc brakes. PJW In my experience, the fiddly bit of hydraulic brakes is the tubing; > otherwise

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 11:53:11 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote: > > >Then again, I hope Riv never ever makes a disc brake frame. As > been said, there are countless people who will make you a frame just the > way you like it. > > Also, try demanding a custom frame be designed in

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Good to know; the question is becoming clearer. Your experience is with XT and SLX hydros which presumable have the sort of greater leverage Jeremy spoke of. On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Clayton.sf wrote: > Patrick, > > To answer your last question. I have never used

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But perhaps not as Rivendell would make it -- which is the point here. On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Garth wrote: > >Then again, I hope Riv never ever makes a disc brake frame. As > been said, there are countless people who will make you a frame just the > way

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

Then again, I hope Riv never ever makes a disc brake frame. As been said, there are countless people who will make you a frame just the way you like it. Also, try demanding a custom frame be designed in a very specific way from any given builder , and questing that builder

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Patrick, To answer your last question. I have never used BB7, but my XT and SLX hydros have kept the pads away suffiently after setup. - with QR axles setup involves initial centering in the stand with a follow centering after a few miles on the trail. - with Thru axles setup involves

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Bill, it would be a stretch to say I want Rivendell to go more mainstream. If that were the case I wouldn't even be here. But, embracing classic design, materials & craftsmanship need not come at the expense of practicality or functionality. I could totally go either way with respect to disc

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One more thing. Thru axles so far have eliminated the second re-centering that used to be required after the first few miles of riding after wheel re-installment. Disclaimer: I am super sensitive to things. Other people may not notice or care to this degree. Clayton "Princess and the pea"

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For me, the bottom line is having the pads sufficiently far from the disc to prevent that frequent rubbing that comes from very small changes in the rotors' trueness, or from dirt or water on the pads; that's part 1. Part 2 is, to get this distance without compromising braking power *and* without

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"Fiddly" to me means: something needs a higher amount of repeated fiddling-with to achieve desired results than is reasonable to me. Example: Two wheelsets with the same rotor and hub that still require me to re-center the hydro disc caliper after each swap and then one more time after the

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

"If hydraulics are just a fiddly as, or even more fiddly" I guess I need a definition of the term 'fiddly'. When I hear the word 'fiddly', my brain hears "I'm not a mechanic, and I don't know how things work, and no matter how much random wrenching I throw at this subsystem of the bike, it

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

In my experience, the fiddly bit of hydraulic brakes is the tubing; otherwise they're about as well behaved as a good pair of rim brakes. And you don't pay the Spyre or Hy/rd premium for them (if you care at all about how single-piston brakes need to shove the disk into the other caliper.)

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

This is good to know. If hydraulics are just a fiddly as, or even more fiddly (depending on the make and model) than good mechanical discs, then I have no need for them. I suppose I'd want them for riding really steep technical stuff, but for my sort of riding, any good cable operated brake, disc

Re: [RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

What defines a Rivendell for me are: 1. Ride characteristics and quality. 2. Quality of build -- strength, but also appearance. 3. Aesthetics, or more simply, the way they look; but this is more general than lugs: even a tigg'd Rivendell would have a sober but not dull appearance with nice

[RBW] Re: Discs versus calipers

What resistance are you trying to break down? Are you trying to break down resistance at Rivendell Bicycle Works, and trying to convince them to make more mainstream bicycles? Or are you trying to break down resistance of readers of the RBW owners Bunch google Group? Rivendell offers bikes

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