Good luck, Larry. In my experience, if it requires ventilation zips it's
not breathable enough and if it requires a coating or laminate, it will
wear off and you have a wind jacket at best. In terms of cost, I fully
expect this jacket to last 30 years or more and still work as well then as
it
I have not climbed or hiked in Scotland, but the people I talked with
about the Grampians have told me it is a beautiful and difficult place. The
high latitude (think northern Canada) combined with winds from Atlantic
depressions makes for a difficult climate. That said, I want to get to the
Deacon, I wonder how the Wiggy's Ventile
Parkahttp://wiggys.com/moreinfo.cfm?Product_ID=193would compare to the
Hilltrek. Wiggy's is the sleeping bag brand that
Rivendell sells.
On Monday, July 15, 2013 5:14:29 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
The post finally arrived from Scotland with my
I talked with Mr. Wiggy (they are also in Colorado, so I tried to go with
them first). He doesn't offer the fur analogy liner that Hilltrek does, and
for me that was the deciding factor. I also looked into his sleeping bags,
but he's big on his manmade insulation and I greatly prefer down (or
Patrick,
I had great results with a Burley Rainrider,
http://www.dirtragmag.com/reviews/burley-rain-rider-jacket waterproof
with a good ventilation system. They were pretty popular. The waterproofing
stopped working as well as it use to, so I hung it up, in favor of a
Patagonia Torrent shell.
Indeed, Bob. What frustrates me is I've long asked local and national
experts about how to not get wet from sweat but stay dry. They all talked
up their systems of choice, but none of them actually work in use. The
hypothermia zone is especially dangerous from 25˚F - 60˚F. Add in wet at
those
Is Scotland's weather so unique a combination of cold and wet that
experienced climbers would not normally encounter similar conditions a
myriad of other places? Is seems to me the Scots are unique in the
ingenuity of their solution more than their weather. Of course I'm guilty
of being a
I think you are correct about the jacket being a bargain if it keeps you
warn and dry. In the mountains it is too easy to go from cold and wet to
real trouble.
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
Indeed, Bob. What frustrates me is I've long asked local and
I have not climbed or hiked in Scotland, but the people I talked with about
the Grampians have told me it is a beautiful and difficult place. The high
latitude (think northern Canada) combined with winds from Atlantic
depressions makes for a difficult climate. That said, I want to get to the
West
Wait a second...you actually didn't sweat under those garments? That is
amazing. First I have never heard of rainwear that actually keeps you dry
from both the rain, and your own sweat!
What were the temps you were riding in?
I have read that breatheable materials don't breathe unless
Did I sweat? Yes. Did the sweat have somewhere to go (both liquid and
vapor)? Yes. It breathes as well as a heavy cotton shirt. Because it's
cotton (yes, the stuff everyone says will kill you. They don't know about
ventile). The mechanism for how it works is completely different from the
There are limits.
In my closet rests the original Sierra Designs 60/40 parka. The lining is
ventile cotton. It is way cool.
There is no question that the Sierra Design parka exhausts moisture better
than my Arc'Teryx Gortex parka. Although they are remarkably similar
design-wise.
That
It is in the 80's - 100's here in MD with high humidity in the summer.
I am basically drenched in sweat when riding until fall, when it gets back
into the 50's. So I think that means no breatheable stuff will matter in
those conditions of summer.
It was around 100 I think on Saturday when
Capillary action of fur.
*Capillary action* (sometimes *capillarity*, *capillary motion*, or *
wicking*) is the ability of a liquid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid to
flow in narrow spaces without the assistance of, and in opposition to,
external forces like gravity
For 70+˚F and high humidity with rain, I would wear shorts and t-shirt.
Colorado's mountains don't get that combo. Storms drop us to 50-60 or
lower. So we may start out at 80, but cool down fast with the storm.
Scotland has used boiled, lanolined wool for hundreds of years at least for
In the 90s Americans climbing in Scotland were frustrated with their
mountaineering gear made for cold dry conditions. They were getting
drenched with sweat during exertion and then freezing when they slowed
down, They noticed that the Scottish climbers were using a very different
clothing system
Exactly, Bob. You are clearly ahead of my slow learning curve. I wish I'd
found this 15 years ago (when the Nikwax analogy first came out, though the
blending with the ventile is fairly new). Paramo make a nylon version of
the same concept if you prefer nylon (Hilltrek sells it, not sure if
Patrick - we learn together. When you are comfortable with constant rain,
back and forth, exert and sweat/rest, you are doing well. And when you can
do that in the difficult temperatures of 50 - 60 degrees I think you have
success. Bob
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Deacon Patrick
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