Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-04 Thread Garth
Yes ... 153 is not all that "radical" ! There are many triathletes that are using cranks as short as your kids !!! No Joke and they wouldn't be doing it if it didn't work for them !! You can get certain brands stock quite short, in a 110mm BCD. Origin8 goes to 140mm and a few go dow

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-04 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Working with Mark Stonich (Bikesmith) the other night on a Dimension/Andel 175 mm mountain double crank I bought for this project, I came away with some 153 mm cranks for the ladyfriend. We'll see how it goes. For a lot of cycling enthusiasts, conditioned to the notion that 5 mm of crank length

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-04 Thread Garth
I found my own answer ... lol.. Ritchey Quick disconnects is what they are !!! For brake and derailer cables. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-04 Thread Garth
That's Great Deacon Patrick !!! Barefoot riding . that's pretty cool . And Hugh, Yes it can take awhile to dial in your saddle height and fore/aft position, and of course some soreness my appear as your are changing and using slightly different proportions of muscles. But all

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-03 Thread Deacon Patrick
I've taken a solid year to dial in my saddle height, tilt, front to back position etc. I make sure to only change one thing at a time and see how it goes for a 5+ hours of riding, including one ride of at least 3 hours, then shift as needed. WIth a mid-foot position on the peddles, I like my sad

[RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-03 Thread hsmitham
Jim so interesting I was just thinking about crank arm length the other day! I suppose great minds think a like. Lol Really glad you brought this up. Hugh Sunland, CA On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 12:38:07 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > Not exactly a Riv-specific topic, but I th

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-03 Thread hsmitham
Well another great topic and one that applies to the well being of every cyclist as riding then having pain is counter productive. Thanks Jim! Now on to my non-scientific opinion, I'm 5' 101/2" with a PBH of 83.5 riding with a 170 mm crank arms. I used to ride exclusively with 172.5 cause that

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I get it. I'll have to try that with my new Decksters -- well, try pedaling with my arch: I'm not going to swap out cranks. I loved the comfort of boat shoes with MKS touring pedals and straps, except that I kept pulling my shoes out of the pedals (or foot out of the shoes) so went to back to slott

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Nick Payne
On 03/04/13 04:13, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I believe our perceptions are altered by the unnaturally narrow selection of crank options. In this world, 170 is the middle; 175 is long; and 165 is short. That is equivalent to mosf bikes being available in 55, 56, and 57 cm frame sizes.

[RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread bobish
Since you already know about Mark Stonich, I will just mention I've had cranks shortened by him for a recumbent and spoken with him on the phone. He feels that width is not the problem--length is. The general principle (and it has caught on with some recumbent riders as as some upright bike ride

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread justinaugust
I have noticed that when I pedal in the "sneaker position" (arch centered over pedal spindle) I feel like my cranks are longer too. I'm think that no matter what when the balls of our feet engage they go into the sprinters position. When the arch is flat on that's mostly impossible. This gives t

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread René Sterental
After years of foot pain, I finally discovered that the combination of flat wide and large pedals (DMR Vault - http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=40265 in silver) and placing the foot on its middle over the pedals completely eliminated all the pain, provided the sole is

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
Colorado Patrick here. Riding barefoot I quickly learned midfoot is most comfortable and yes, the difference in power is astonishing. I actually took your post to mean what you describe below, and was puzzled when other's didn't follow. That should likely scare both of us! Grin. With abandon, P

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Garth
Well Patrick, I was using 175's at the time and I started using a mid foot position over the pedal . It felt wonderful but it also felt like I was using really long cranks ! I used to use 185's and this felt longer . So that's when the short cranks came to mind. I found some people

[RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Leslie
Bike A: 172.5 DuraAce triple crank on my Ram. Bike B: 175 Sugino XD triple crank on my Bomba. 6'-tall, PHB of 87.6. I think I'd prefer the 17.5, maybe even a 170, on the Bomba... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubsc

[RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Rambouilleting Utahn
Very interesting observation and comments. I've often wondered if longer would be better for me. To make it more useful could posters include their PBH with their comments. blissfully ignorant at 6' tall spinning on 175s with a 94cm PBH -- You received this message because you are subscrib

[RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I believe our perceptions are altered by the unnaturally narrow selection of crank options. In this world, 170 is the middle; 175 is long; and 165 is short. That is equivalent to mosf bikes being available in 55, 56, and 57 cm frame sizes. Something for everybody! -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Mike Schiller
Another variable is femur length. It drives people to longer cranks and more seat setback to get a good hip angle. With longer than average femurs (from bike fit sessions) a longer crankarm is a better match, at least for me. I have 175's on all my bikes and prefer that for climbing. It may be

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Eric Platt
For some, the changes seem more important than others. When first getting back into riding I was determined to have 175's because that's what I had before my layoff. Since then, it's become less important. Both the current Rivendells have 170's and feel just fine. My LHT might have 175s on it.

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Kenneth Stagg
Small changes make a difference for me as well. 165's are sweet, 170's OK, 172.5's are hard for me to use. I've had occaision to forget what length cranks were on a bike only to look down and wonder just what was going on. Just me, though. -Ken On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Bruce Herbitter

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
And Garth, ever gnomic, uttered: "What would it feel like to have the leverage of long cranks yet still be able to spin like short ones ? Lo and behold ... this came to my mind to try and it's better than I even imagined !!! " O, unfathomable Garth: explain thyself to us of mere mortal ken: how,

Re: [RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Bruce Herbitter
I've tried 165, 170, and 172.5. Small changes can make a discernable difference on a bike. 170s work best for me (and I'm short with a 29" inseam) so that is what I stay with. On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Kelly wrote: > Garth, > > You and I are on the same page .. it's bunk for me. Then I a

[RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Kelly
Garth, You and I are on the same page .. it's bunk for me. Then I am not as sensitive to bike setup as many. I have 171 I think on the Ram and they are perfect.. those Rene Herse Cranks.. I have 175's on my AHH and 175's on my Bombadil with 172.5 on my Mountain bike I accidentally put 1

[RBW] Re: Experimenting with crank length

2013-04-02 Thread Garth
Experimenting on myself, all "formulas" for crank length are bunk ! lol lolYes, I said it !I followed them , like "they" say, and I have found using shorter ones to be absolutely prfect , for Me ! And yes I need please no one but me ... who else is there ? lol I use Sug