[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-19 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
I love V.P. pedals until they start going bad, which is pretty quick in my 
experience. Needing to rebuild a pedal regularly gets in the way of my 
minimal maintenance schedule, so I decided to try these Fookers- 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NXPs7HwaAgJwDU8V9 because they’re 
cheap/disposable. To my surprise, they’re not disposable. They’re long 
lasting, totally great (and cheap!). Maybe not the most stylish, but I 
usually can’t see them…
-Kai

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Hi all.
> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>
> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
> there, long distances, when time allows.
>
> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many other 
> pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and why? 
> For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>
> Thanks.
> John
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-18 Thread John Bokman 
Yeah, they are pricey. Much more than a little marine grease, which is what 
I used to slather on the spindles of my VP Vice today. Turns out, when I 
look at all the pedals out there, mine are hard to beat, considering they 
are every day "just ride" pedals. About 100x100 square, not too heavy, 
plenty grippy, nice and thin, spin well enough (although admittedly not 
smooth), and inexpensive. I think I paid $45 for them many years ago. I 
can't really complain; they have been a good value, all considered.

(Thanks to Garth for reminding me to just throw some grease in them again.)



On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 11:55:53 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Man those are pricey but I love that they are about the same weight as 
> composite pedals, they look great and are made in America. I am going to 
> give those a shot sometime soon.
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:32:38 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Review of the Yoshimura Chilao pedals on The Radavist.
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/2021/10/i-cant-get-enough-of-these-yoshimura-chilao-mtb-pedals/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:34:48 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed, those look excellent. Definitely worth a hard look. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>>
 Does the Pedaling Innovations rebuild kit work for VP Vice pedals? It 
 looks like the axle and bearings are the same.

 Anyone know?

 Also a nice choice for a high-end pedal are these bad boys, made in the 
 USA:
 https://yoshimuracycling.com/products/chilao-performance-bicycle-pedal

 Michael

 On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:08:29 PM UTC-4 Joe in the Pay Area 
 wrote:

> Black Ops Torqlite UL platform pedals, now almost impossible to find.  
> And why does my reply have just a half line of height? Can baely see what 
> I 
> type!
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:38:42 AM UTC-7 George Rosselle wrote:
>
>> I have the Spank Oozy pedals on my Chameleon and like them a lot, 
>> metal, low profile, and availabe bushings that are easy to replace. Too 
>> bad 
>> you don't like composites, I also have Race Face Chesters on a couple 
>> bikes 
>> and find them to be just as good and much less expensive.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 
>>> 8.5 shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my 
>>> Redline BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. 
>>> They 
>>> have them in six colors. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down 
 the parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:

 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
 4. At least 100mm wide.

 Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick 
 some boxes.

 https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/


 On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so 
> of course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want 
> to go 
> there for a few reasons:
> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at 
> times, and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In 
> other words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst 
> calls for, 
> unless I'm mistaken.
> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long 
> is long enough?
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease 
>> to any pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and 
>> slide the 
>> body back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of 
>> Vice and 
>> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>>
>> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with 
>> the shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer 
>> platform 
>> would not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me 
>> about 
>> Pedal Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
>> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What 
>> they 
>>

[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-18 Thread Johnny Alien 
Man those are pricey but I love that they are about the same weight as 
composite pedals, they look great and are made in America. I am going to 
give those a shot sometime soon.

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 2:32:38 PM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Review of the Yoshimura Chilao pedals on The Radavist.
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2021/10/i-cant-get-enough-of-these-yoshimura-chilao-mtb-pedals/
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:34:48 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Indeed, those look excellent. Definitely worth a hard look. 
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>> Does the Pedaling Innovations rebuild kit work for VP Vice pedals? It 
>>> looks like the axle and bearings are the same.
>>>
>>> Anyone know?
>>>
>>> Also a nice choice for a high-end pedal are these bad boys, made in the 
>>> USA:
>>> https://yoshimuracycling.com/products/chilao-performance-bicycle-pedal
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:08:29 PM UTC-4 Joe in the Pay Area 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Black Ops Torqlite UL platform pedals, now almost impossible to find.  
 And why does my reply have just a half line of height? Can baely see what 
 I 
 type!

 On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:38:42 AM UTC-7 George Rosselle wrote:

> I have the Spank Oozy pedals on my Chameleon and like them a lot, 
> metal, low profile, and availabe bushings that are easy to replace. Too 
> bad 
> you don't like composites, I also have Race Face Chesters on a couple 
> bikes 
> and find them to be just as good and much less expensive.
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 
>> 8.5 shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my 
>> Redline BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. 
>> They 
>> have them in six colors. 
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down 
>>> the parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:
>>>
>>> 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
>>> 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
>>> 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
>>> 4. At least 100mm wide.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick 
>>> some boxes.
>>>
>>> https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>>
 Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so 
 of course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want 
 to go 
 there for a few reasons:
 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at 
 times, and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In 
 other words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls 
 for, 
 unless I'm mistaken.
 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is 
 long enough?

 On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease 
> to any pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide 
> the 
> body back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of 
> Vice and 
> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>
> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with 
> the shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer 
> platform 
> would not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me 
> about 
> Pedal Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What 
> they 
> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a 
> midfoot stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too 
> much of a reach despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a 
> little 
> better but still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. 
> swet spot of both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French 
> say back 
> in the day  soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a 
>> long while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from 
>> Speedplay Frogs.

[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-18 Thread David Person 
Review of the Yoshimura Chilao pedals on The Radavist.

https://theradavist.com/2021/10/i-cant-get-enough-of-these-yoshimura-chilao-mtb-pedals/



On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:34:48 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Indeed, those look excellent. Definitely worth a hard look. 
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> Does the Pedaling Innovations rebuild kit work for VP Vice pedals? It 
>> looks like the axle and bearings are the same.
>>
>> Anyone know?
>>
>> Also a nice choice for a high-end pedal are these bad boys, made in the 
>> USA:
>> https://yoshimuracycling.com/products/chilao-performance-bicycle-pedal
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:08:29 PM UTC-4 Joe in the Pay Area wrote:
>>
>>> Black Ops Torqlite UL platform pedals, now almost impossible to find.  
>>> And why does my reply have just a half line of height? Can baely see what I 
>>> type!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:38:42 AM UTC-7 George Rosselle wrote:
>>>
 I have the Spank Oozy pedals on my Chameleon and like them a lot, 
 metal, low profile, and availabe bushings that are easy to replace. Too 
 bad 
 you don't like composites, I also have Race Face Chesters on a couple 
 bikes 
 and find them to be just as good and much less expensive.

 On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:

> I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 
> 8.5 shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my 
> Redline BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. 
> They 
> have them in six colors. 
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
>> parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:
>>
>> 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
>> 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
>> 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
>> 4. At least 100mm wide.
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick 
>> some boxes.
>>
>> https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
>>> course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to 
>>> go 
>>> there for a few reasons:
>>> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at 
>>> times, and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
>>> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In 
>>> other words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls 
>>> for, 
>>> unless I'm mistaken.
>>> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is 
>>> long enough?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease 
 to any pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide 
 the 
 body back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of 
 Vice and 
 they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  

 I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with 
 the shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform 
 would not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me 
 about 
 Pedal Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
 "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What 
 they 
 neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a 
 midfoot stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much 
 of a reach despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little 
 better but still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. 
 swet spot of both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say 
 back 
 in the day  soo-play ... soo-play ! 

 On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Hi all.
> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a 
> long while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from 
> Speedplay Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my 
> commuter (Sam Hill).
>
> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally 
> feel gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've 
> recently used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. 
> These are 
> okay, but what I've discovered is that for

[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread John Bokman 
Indeed, those look excellent. Definitely worth a hard look. 

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 6:00:52 PM UTC-7 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> Does the Pedaling Innovations rebuild kit work for VP Vice pedals? It 
> looks like the axle and bearings are the same.
>
> Anyone know?
>
> Also a nice choice for a high-end pedal are these bad boys, made in the 
> USA:
> https://yoshimuracycling.com/products/chilao-performance-bicycle-pedal
>
> Michael
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:08:29 PM UTC-4 Joe in the Pay Area wrote:
>
>> Black Ops Torqlite UL platform pedals, now almost impossible to find.  
>> And why does my reply have just a half line of height? Can baely see what I 
>> type!
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:38:42 AM UTC-7 George Rosselle wrote:
>>
>>> I have the Spank Oozy pedals on my Chameleon and like them a lot, metal, 
>>> low profile, and availabe bushings that are easy to replace. Too bad you 
>>> don't like composites, I also have Race Face Chesters on a couple bikes and 
>>> find them to be just as good and much less expensive.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>>>
 I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 8.5 
 shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my Redline 
 BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. They have 
 them in six colors. 

 On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
> parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:
>
> 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
> 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
> 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
> 4. At least 100mm wide.
>
> Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick some 
> boxes.
>
> https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/
>
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
>> course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
>> there for a few reasons:
>> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at 
>> times, and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
>> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In 
>> other words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls 
>> for, 
>> unless I'm mistaken.
>> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is 
>> long enough?
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to 
>>> any pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the 
>>> body 
>>> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
>>> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>>>
>>> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with 
>>> the shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform 
>>> would not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about 
>>> Pedal Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
>>> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What 
>>> they 
>>> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a 
>>> midfoot stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much 
>>> of a reach despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little 
>>> better but still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. 
>>> swet spot of both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say 
>>> back 
>>> in the day  soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>>
 Hi all.
 I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long 
 while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from 
 Speedplay 
 Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter 
 (Sam 
 Hill).

 However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally 
 feel gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've 
 recently used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. 
 These are 
 okay, but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without 
 connection (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a 
 fairly large platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I 
 know 
 many of you enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways 
 models. 
 All of these appear to be taller, and

[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread Michael Morrissey 
Does the Pedaling Innovations rebuild kit work for VP Vice pedals? It looks 
like the axle and bearings are the same.

Anyone know?

Also a nice choice for a high-end pedal are these bad boys, made in the USA:
https://yoshimuracycling.com/products/chilao-performance-bicycle-pedal

Michael

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 7:08:29 PM UTC-4 Joe in the Pay Area wrote:

> Black Ops Torqlite UL platform pedals, now almost impossible to find.  And 
> why does my reply have just a half line of height? Can baely see what I 
> type!
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:38:42 AM UTC-7 George Rosselle wrote:
>
>> I have the Spank Oozy pedals on my Chameleon and like them a lot, metal, 
>> low profile, and availabe bushings that are easy to replace. Too bad you 
>> don't like composites, I also have Race Face Chesters on a couple bikes and 
>> find them to be just as good and much less expensive.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>>> I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 8.5 
>>> shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my Redline 
>>> BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. They have 
>>> them in six colors. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
 parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:

 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
 4. At least 100mm wide.

 Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick some 
 boxes.

 https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/


 On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
> course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
> there for a few reasons:
> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at times, 
> and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In 
> other words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls 
> for, 
> unless I'm mistaken.
> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is 
> long enough?
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to 
>> any pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the 
>> body 
>> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
>> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>>
>> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
>> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
>> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
>> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
>> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What 
>> they 
>> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a 
>> midfoot stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much 
>> of a reach despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little 
>> better but still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. 
>> swet spot of both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say 
>> back 
>> in the day  soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long 
>>> while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay 
>>> Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter 
>>> (Sam 
>>> Hill).
>>>
>>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally 
>>> feel gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've 
>>> recently used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These 
>>> are 
>>> okay, but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without 
>>> connection (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a 
>>> fairly large platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I 
>>> know 
>>> many of you enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways 
>>> models. 
>>> All of these appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. 
>>> And 
>>> yet...I wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully 
>>> padded and helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my 
>>> bike here and there, long distances, when

[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread Joe in the Pay Area 
Black Ops Torqlite UL platform pedals, now almost impossible to find.  And 
why does my reply have just a half line of height? Can baely see what I 
type!

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 9:38:42 AM UTC-7 George Rosselle wrote:

> I have the Spank Oozy pedals on my Chameleon and like them a lot, metal, 
> low profile, and availabe bushings that are easy to replace. Too bad you 
> don't like composites, I also have Race Face Chesters on a couple bikes and 
> find them to be just as good and much less expensive.
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:
>
>> I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 8.5 
>> shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my Redline 
>> BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. They have 
>> them in six colors. 
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
>>> parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:
>>>
>>> 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
>>> 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
>>> 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
>>> 4. At least 100mm wide.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick some 
>>> boxes.
>>>
>>> https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>>
 Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
 course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
 there for a few reasons:
 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at times, 
 and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In 
 other words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls 
 for, 
 unless I'm mistaken.
 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is 
 long enough?

 On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to 
> any pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the 
> body 
> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>
> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a 
> midfoot stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of 
> a reach despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little 
> better 
> but still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet 
> spot 
> of both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day 
>  soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long 
>> while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay 
>> Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam 
>> Hill).
>>
>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally 
>> feel gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've 
>> recently used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These 
>> are 
>> okay, but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without 
>> connection (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a 
>> fairly large platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I 
>> know 
>> many of you enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways 
>> models. 
>> All of these appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. 
>> And 
>> yet...I wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully 
>> padded and helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my 
>> bike here and there, long distances, when time allows.
>>
>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, 
>> and 
>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is 
>> your 
>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length 
>> of 
>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and 
>> Allways, 
>> for

[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread George Rosselle 
I have the Spank Oozy pedals on my Chameleon and like them a lot, metal, 
low profile, and availabe bushings that are easy to replace. Too bad you 
don't like composites, I also have Race Face Chesters on a couple bikes and 
find them to be just as good and much less expensive.

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:19 PM UTC-4 Paul Choi wrote:

> I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 8.5 
> shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my Redline 
> BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. They have 
> them in six colors. 
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
>> parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:
>>
>> 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
>> 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
>> 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
>> 4. At least 100mm wide.
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick some 
>> boxes.
>>
>> https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
>>> course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
>>> there for a few reasons:
>>> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at times, 
>>> and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
>>> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In other 
>>> words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls for, 
>>> unless I'm mistaken.
>>> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is long 
>>> enough?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to 
 any pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the 
 body 
 back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
 they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  

 I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
 shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
 not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
 Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
 "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
 neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a 
 midfoot stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of 
 a reach despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better 
 but still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot 
 of both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day 
  soo-play ... soo-play ! 

 On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Hi all.
> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long 
> while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay 
> Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam 
> Hill).
>
> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally 
> feel gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've 
> recently used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These 
> are 
> okay, but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without 
> connection (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a 
> fairly large platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I 
> know 
> many of you enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. 
> All of these appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And 
> yet...I wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully 
> padded and helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my 
> bike here and there, long distances, when time allows.
>
> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length 
> of 
> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and 
> Allways, 
> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>
> Thanks.
> John
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread Paul Choi 
I like the Blue Lug MKS XC-III pedals. Not too big and they hold my 8.5 
shoes well. They look like the bear trap pedals that I had on my Redline 
BMX bike back in the early 80's. I got mine from Hope Cyclery. They have 
them in six colors. 

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:39:05 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
> parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:
>
> 1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
> 2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
> 3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
> 4. At least 100mm wide.
>
> Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick some 
> boxes.
>
> https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/
>
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
>> course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
>> there for a few reasons:
>> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at times, 
>> and the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
>> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In other 
>> words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls for, 
>> unless I'm mistaken.
>> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is long 
>> enough?
>>
>> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
>>> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
>>> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
>>> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>>>
>>> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
>>> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
>>> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
>>> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
>>> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
>>> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
>>> stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
>>> despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but 
>>> still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of 
>>> both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  
>>> soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>>
 Hi all.
 I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long 
 while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay 
 Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam 
 Hill).

 However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
 gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
 used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
 but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
 (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
 platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
 enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
 appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
 wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
 helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
 there, long distances, when time allows.

 I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
 other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
 why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
 opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length 
 of 
 the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and 
 Allways, 
 for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 

 Thanks.
 John




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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread John Bokman 
Thanks for all the good suggestions, everyone. I'm Narrowing down the 
parameters, I think. So far, what I think I want:

1. Metal pedal body, not composite.
2. Rebuildable pedal (can rebuild parts be had?).
3. At least as long as the Vice (106mm, I think).
4. At least 100mm wide.

Does anyone have experience with the Xpedo Spry? it looks to tick some 
boxes.

https://xpedo.com/product/pedals/flats/spry/


On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:18:37 AM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
> course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
> there for a few reasons:
> 1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at times, and 
> the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
> 2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In other 
> words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls for, 
> unless I'm mistaken.
> 3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is long 
> enough?
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
>> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
>> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
>> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>>
>> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
>> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
>> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
>> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
>> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
>> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
>> stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
>> despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but 
>> still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of 
>> both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  
>> soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long 
>>> while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay 
>>> Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam 
>>> Hill).
>>>
>>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
>>> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
>>> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
>>> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
>>> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
>>> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
>>> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
>>> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
>>> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
>>> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
>>> there, long distances, when time allows.
>>>
>>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
>>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
>>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
>>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
>>> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread John Bokman 
Yes, I did grease theses once already.  Grease is inexpensive, so of 
course, I could regrease them.  As for the Catalyst,  I don't want to go 
there for a few reasons:
1. I already experience toe overlap (fenders on my 700c Sam) at times, and 
the length of the pedal is way longer than the Vice.
2. I don't like riding with my foot so far forward of the axle. In other 
words, I'm not an arch-pedaler, which is what the Catalyst calls for, 
unless I'm mistaken.
3. I'm not convinced I need something that long. Again, how long is long 
enough?

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 1:17:51 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>
> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
> stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
> despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but 
> still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of 
> both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  
> soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
>> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
>> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>>
>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
>> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
>> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
>> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
>> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
>> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
>> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
>> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
>> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
>> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
>> there, long distances, when time allows.
>>
>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
>> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>>
>> Thanks.
>> John
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread David Person 
I started with VP Vise when I moved to flat pedals 7 years ago.  A few 
years ago I've moved to Catalyst pedals (like Jay above).  They are made 
for Cycling Innovations by VP, but CI sells rebuild kits should the need 
arise.  I'm not a high milage rider, but so far no issues with the pedals.  
I like the shape of the platform.

David

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 6:32:06 AM UTC-7 John G. wrote:

> Someone on iBob recommended DMR Vaults for people with larger feet. I put 
> a set of them on my new Homer and I love them.
>
> On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:50:31 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I’ve not yet read all of the responses, so apologies if I am repeating. I 
>> have converted to flats exclusively and have not been attached to any bike 
>> for 5 or 6 years. Part of this was my interest in the catalyst pedal. I’ve 
>> still not tried the catalyst, but I have adopted the mid foot position - it 
>> really works for me.
>> All things considered my favorite “sticky” flat is the Kona WahWah 2. The 
>> composite version is under $50.00 & sticks like glue to my 5/10 shoes for 
>> serious MTB use. The metal version is beautiful and costs a lot more. What 
>> I love is how BIG it is! Almost as long as a catalyst but noticeably wider. 
>> I can stomp my size 9.5 shoe anywhere I want & am good to go. I also quite 
>> like the DMR Vault, but wish it were as big as the Kona.
>> That said, my current love affair is with the Simworks MKS “Bubbly” 
>> pedal. This is the pedal on my Clem Smith Jr. It is big enough, not 
>> particularly sticky, and looks & feels like jewelry on this bike. It works 
>> perfectly on the Clem for all of the riding I do on it. 
>> Hope this helps.
>> Ps; mid foot works for me on cranks ranging from 165 - 175.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2022, at 4:17 AM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
>> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
>> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
>> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>>
>>
>> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
>> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
>> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
>> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
>> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
>> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
>> stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
>> despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but 
>> still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of 
>> both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  
>> soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all.
>>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long 
>>> while (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay 
>>> Frogs. Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam 
>>> Hill).
>>>
>>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
>>> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
>>> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
>>> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
>>> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
>>> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
>>> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
>>> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
>>> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
>>> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
>>> there, long distances, when time allows.
>>>
>>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
>>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
>>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
>>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
>>> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread John G. 
Someone on iBob recommended DMR Vaults for people with larger feet. I put a 
set of them on my new Homer and I love them.

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 8:50:31 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> I’ve not yet read all of the responses, so apologies if I am repeating. I 
> have converted to flats exclusively and have not been attached to any bike 
> for 5 or 6 years. Part of this was my interest in the catalyst pedal. I’ve 
> still not tried the catalyst, but I have adopted the mid foot position - it 
> really works for me.
> All things considered my favorite “sticky” flat is the Kona WahWah 2. The 
> composite version is under $50.00 & sticks like glue to my 5/10 shoes for 
> serious MTB use. The metal version is beautiful and costs a lot more. What 
> I love is how BIG it is! Almost as long as a catalyst but noticeably wider. 
> I can stomp my size 9.5 shoe anywhere I want & am good to go. I also quite 
> like the DMR Vault, but wish it were as big as the Kona.
> That said, my current love affair is with the Simworks MKS “Bubbly” pedal. 
> This is the pedal on my Clem Smith Jr. It is big enough, not particularly 
> sticky, and looks & feels like jewelry on this bike. It works perfectly on 
> the Clem for all of the riding I do on it. 
> Hope this helps.
> Ps; mid foot works for me on cranks ranging from 165 - 175.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 17, 2022, at 4:17 AM, Garth  wrote:
>
> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>
>
> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
> stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
> despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but 
> still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of 
> both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  
> soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
>> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
>> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>>
>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
>> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
>> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
>> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
>> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
>> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
>> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
>> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
>> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
>> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
>> there, long distances, when time allows.
>>
>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
>> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>>
>> Thanks.
>> John
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread Richard Rose 
I’ve not yet read all of the responses, so apologies if I am repeating. I have 
converted to flats exclusively and have not been attached to any bike for 5 or 
6 years. Part of this was my interest in the catalyst pedal. I’ve still not 
tried the catalyst, but I have adopted the mid foot position - it really works 
for me.
All things considered my favorite “sticky” flat is the Kona WahWah 2. The 
composite version is under $50.00 & sticks like glue to my 5/10 shoes for 
serious MTB use. The metal version is beautiful and costs a lot more. What I 
love is how BIG it is! Almost as long as a catalyst but noticeably wider. I can 
stomp my size 9.5 shoe anywhere I want & am good to go. I also quite like the 
DMR Vault, but wish it were as big as the Kona.
That said, my current love affair is with the Simworks MKS “Bubbly” pedal. This 
is the pedal on my Clem Smith Jr. It is big enough, not particularly sticky, 
and looks & feels like jewelry on this bike. It works perfectly on the Clem for 
all of the riding I do on it. 
Hope this helps.
Ps; mid foot works for me on cranks ranging from 165 - 175.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2022, at 4:17 AM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body back 
> on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and they've 
> been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
> 
> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the shoes I 
> wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would not 
> necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
> neglect in their "science", is using short cranks along with a midfoot 
> stroke. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach despite 
> a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but still ... 
> nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of both midoot 
> power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  soo-play ... 
> soo-play ! 
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
>> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
>> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>> 
>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
>> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
>> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, but 
>> what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection (no 
>> clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
>> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
>> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
>> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I wonder: 
>> how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and helmeted, 
>> on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and there, long 
>> distances, when time allows.
>> 
>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many other 
>> pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and why? For 
>> what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your opinion of 
>> them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of the pedal 
>> is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, for 
>> instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> John
>> 
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread lconley 
I have several pairs of the VP "Thin Gripsters" in colors, many pairs of 
the MKS RMS "Sneaker" pedals (best bang for the buck in silver pedals and 
they have reflectors), tried and sold the Catalyst pedals a few years back, 
several pairs of Deity TMACs in colors, one pair of MKS Lambda "Grip 
Kings", one pair of Ergon PC2 Wide pedals, one pair of VO Sabots, one pair 
of Shimano Saints, one pair of Chromag Scarabs (polished silver on my 
Rivendell Custom), one pair of Speedplay Drilliums, and many others 
(Lyotard Berthet, MKS Urban, etc. in the parts stash).
I have short wide feet - 9  with very high arches (I am 6' tall), so 
width is the most important thing, but it is important that the width be at 
the ball of my foot, over the axle, that is why I have never been a fan of 
the MKS Grip King / Grip Monarch style pedals (narrow where I want wide) 
and have gravitated to the Deity TMAC and Chromag Scarabs. The VO Sabots 
have been workhorses also - the thinnest that still take reflectors.
When I was younger, I rode barefoot, 1st on "RatTrap" pedals (think MKS 
Touring, but sharper edges), then on Campagnolo Record, then on Phil Wood 
Platform pedals, all with toe clips and straps (still have at least one of 
all three). I got used to having the ball of my foot over the axle and that 
is my default position. The Ergons are best for barefoot followed by the 
Phil Woods.
Lately I find myself moving the ball of my foot farther forward (maybe I 
abandoned the Catalysts too soon). I may be doing this because I have 
started to lower my seat - partly to make it easier to swing my leg over 
the bike, partly to make it easier to mount the seat from a stop 
(step-through doesn't help on the mount from a stop). Thinner pedals also 
help with getting the seat lower.
Pedals are one of the three contact points with the bike along with the 
saddle and the handlebars, and just as important and just as personal of a 
choice.
The Ergon PC2s are very comfortable, the problem is that they are not 
silver and are ugly, ugly, ugly (and no longer made), but they are growing 
on me and starting to look better.
I have been wanting to try the Crust MKS Gorditos as something that may 
pass Eroica event rules - they look like large versions of the old RatTraps.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Hi all.
> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>
> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
> there, long distances, when time allows.
>
> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many other 
> pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and why? 
> For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>
> Thanks.
> John
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread Johnny Alien 
Crank Stamp 1 pedals are my absolute favorite after trying a bunch of 
different flat pedals. They are light, come in two sizes, are super grippy 
and have tons of great colors. Totally serviceable and affordable too. If 
you must have metal or a fancier version there are more expensive options 
in the stamp line but I really like the low end composite ones.

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 4:17:51 AM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
> pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
> back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
> they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  
>
> I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the 
> shoes I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would 
> not necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
> Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
> "supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
> neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
> stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
> despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but 
> still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of 
> both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  
> soo-play ... soo-play ! 
>
> On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:
>
>> Hi all.
>> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
>> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
>> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>>
>> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
>> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
>> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
>> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
>> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
>> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
>> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
>> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
>> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
>> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
>> there, long distances, when time allows.
>>
>> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many 
>> other pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and 
>> why? For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
>> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
>> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
>> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>>
>> Thanks.
>> John
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread Garth 
Do you add grease to your Vice pedals John ?  I always add grease to any 
pedal, open them up, slather some grease on the axle and slide the body 
back on the excess oozes out the axle side. I have 2 pairs of Vice and 
they've been flawless. Before these I did this with Wellgo MG-1's.  

I wear size 14 shoes and the Vice size and shape works great with the shoes 
I wear. I pedal near midfoot, not totally. A longer platform would not 
necessarily be any better. That's what always struck me about Pedal 
Innovations. I already pedalled mid foot, my feet were already 
"supported"...(as if any other pedal doesn't offer support !).  What they 
neglect in their "science", is using *short cranks along with a midfoot 
stroke*. With 185mm cranks it didn't work for me, too much of a reach 
despite a lowered saddle, awkward.  With 170 . a little better but 
still ... nope. Then I tried 152/150's.. ahhh .. swet spot of 
both midoot power and pedal speed.  As the French say back in the day  
soo-play ... soo-play ! 

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:24:43 PM UTC-4 John Bokman wrote:

> Hi all.
> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>
> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
> there, long distances, when time allows.
>
> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many other 
> pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and why? 
> For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>
> Thanks.
> John
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Flat Pedal Users: Favorite size/shape?

2022-03-17 Thread Ed Carolipio 
The Vice's are my favorite flat pedals so you've already identified the 
Superior Option. My impressions on other flat pedals I have now:

   - MKS Lambda - put these on my "street" bikes for the reflectors, the 
   bling, and to avoid the pedals rashes but as others have mentioned they 
   could slip when wet or with certain outsoles.
   - MKS Grip Monarch - definitely superior to the Lambdas with a broader, 
   more square platform and metal pins while still housing reflectors. I'd 
   recommend these pedals if you want to shop at Riv. (Currently in stock in 
   Silver and Black. Get a black and a silver one to create Panda/Adnap 
   versions.)
   - MKS RMX Sneaker pedals - Only reason to get them is they're silver. 
   I'd take the Clem plastic pedals (VP-538) for "sneaker pedals" over these.
   - iSSi Thumps with Molded Pins - a great value option for a low profile, 
   large platform, composite pedal. Molded pins are tall so grip is good even 
   in the wet but pedal rash isn't too bad since the pins are plastic. 
   Definitely feel stiffer than the venerable VP-538.

--Ed C.
On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 6:24:43 PM UTC-7 John Bokman wrote:

> Hi all.
> I've been riding VP Vice pedals for a few years now. It took a long while 
> (aprx. a year) to get used to riding flats, coming from Speedplay Frogs. 
> Finally, it took, and I'm happy on the flats for my commuter (Sam Hill).
>
> However, the Vice have developed play, rattle a bit, and generally feel 
> gritty, and I have been experimenting with different ideas. I've recently 
> used the old MKS Touring pedals, and RMX sneaker pedals. These are okay, 
> but what I've discovered is that for my riding,  flats without connection 
> (no clips/straps, powergrips) feel better underfoot with a fairly large 
> platform, and low stack height,  like the Vice. And yet I know many of you 
> enjoy the Riv-approved MKS Gamma, lambda, and Allways models. All of these 
> appear to be taller, and all are narrower than the vice. And yet...I 
> wonder: how big is big enough? I'm not racing downhill, fully padded and 
> helmeted, on a double boinger, like my neice. I just ride my bike here and 
> there, long distances, when time allows.
>
> I always want to support Riv when possible. But I am looking at many other 
> pedals that Riv does not sell. What are some of your favorites, and why? 
> For what use? If you use the aforementioned MKS pedals, what is your 
> opinion of them? Do you like the size/shape? I'm wondering if the length of 
> the pedal is more important than the width. The Gamma, Lambda, and Allways, 
> for instance, are all longer than the Vice, while being slimmer. 
>
> Thanks.
> John
>
>
>

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