Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for the photos and report, Bill. I am delighted your trip went so well, 
and you got to meet a grizzly and a mountain lion. Wow!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

I had intended to do a detailed ride report but don't seem to be getting 
around to it and it would be too long.  The short - it was great, 
everything worked well and I would only make very minor adjustments if 
doing again.

I did, however, send an email to one of my road touring buddies and I'll 
post that instead.  Even it is probably too long.  Then there are some 
pictures here: 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/nSx6maRRN9NXXF4QA

Ah, you dare to ask me about equipment?  Overall, I had no complaints at 
all about my equipment choices and would take the Atlantis again without 
any hesitation at all.  There is a caveat, we had zero rain and I 
understand that can make a big difference.  Steve, our leader, had been 
over this same stretch of road just days before and said it was in MUCH 
better condition than when he road it earlier.  I did dismount once simply 
because the ruts in the road were so deep I didn’t think I could get 
through without dragging my panniers.  I had previously dragged both a 
front and a rear without consequence.  Other than the panniers, I would 
have stayed mounted but we are talking maybe 10 yards.




This picture shows the extreme range of bikes:


Phil’s bike is a Commotion coupled bike with 38mm tires.  He was VERY 
anxious about his tire width and complained the most about the rocky 
descents but he was consistently one of the earliest finishers.  Jim had 
like 4” tires and one kept looking for the motor on his behemoth.  Despite 
his wide tires he was the first to fall riding through mud and typically 
one of the last finishers.  I later fell going through mud but because I 
lost my line not because of traction.  I like to think it was because I had 
to negotiate my way around Jim, who had decided to walk the mud after his 
earlier fall, and that distracted me and broke my rhythm. As far as I know, 
we were the only two to take a spill.  There was only one flat on the trip 
that I know about, ironically - a staple!  I suspect I could’ve descended 
somewhat faster and more smoothly with fatter, lower pressure tires but I’m 
not sure I would have wanted to.  I pumped my tires to 40 psi at the start 
and didn’t touch them the entire trip.  If I really wanted smoother, I 
could have lowered my tire pressure somewhat but seem to have chosen not to.


Several people were riding 1x’s.  I don’t think anybody was riding a 2x.  
Maybe 50/50 between 1x vs. 3x.  I would estimate that I spent 1/3 to 1/2 my 
time on my 24t chainring, maybe 5% on the large chainring (46) and the rest 
on the middle 36t.  My cassette was 12-36 9 speed and I wouldn’t go out of 
my way for lower gearing unless I happened across a low priced cassette 
with a bigger cog.  I would guess I walked maybe 1-2 miles altogether and 
that I was on the low end.  I don’t think a lower gear would have decreased 
the walking but would have made a few stretches a bit easier.  I could 
imagine a 1x is best choice for highly technical mountain bike racing but 
of no advantage whatsoever for this type of ride.  I had no complaint with 
my triple or my gearing.


My cantilever brakes had plenty of braking power.  I did have to stop to 
rest my hands several times on descents.  I understand hydraulic disks 
require less hand pressure for the same braking power but I wouldn’t choose 
that setup anyway.  I don’t mind resting on tour and would prefer to keep 
things simple.  Disks are supposedly better in rain and mud but I cannot 
comment on that.  I’d go again with the cantilevers.


My baggage setup was probably the most traditional.  Many used “dry bags” 
strapped to their handlebars and/or a frame bag of one sort or another.  I 
think everyone used rear panniers.  I loved my setup and felt I could setup 
and tear down and be ready to go as quickly as anyone.  My bags probably 
rode lower or as low as anyones but, except for the 10 yards previously 
mentioned, I did not find my setup to be a disadvantage as compared to the 
more bike packing setups (though nobody was pure “bike packing” - which I 
don’t understand anyway as it seems to have a goal of getting one’s center 
of gravity as high as physically possible). Despite my handlebar bag 
(mounted on a decaleur front rack, NOT on the handlebars), I probably had 
the least amount of weight on the bars (my bear bell - which was useless as 
the bike itself makes plenty of noise, and a headlight).  Three people had 
pannier mounting failures of one sort or another - in each case the much 
raved about (which I have never understood) Ortliebs.  I did lose my 
sleeping pad off the back once when I hit a bump I did not see at speed.  
Probably rode a half mile before I discovered my loss and backtracked for 
it.  I also lost my rack mounted tail light somewhere - undoubtedly on one 
of the rocky descents.


At the end of the day, the finishing order of people, in my opinion, had 
just about zero to do with the bikes, the setups or the weight carried and 
everything to do with 

Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I bet your muscles don’t require a photo to know it happened! They’ll ride out 
well enough. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

Pretty sure I saw an orange rivendell cruising down 2nd ave in fernie just a 
bit ago. Atlantis performing very well so far. Took one spill going thru mud 
but fell into very soft moss. Nobody saw it so it didn't happen?

Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

Nice photos, Craig!

I started mapping everything out but then had to move stuff around for TSA. In 
the end, wasted effort as Alaska checked all bags and bike for free, I think 
anyway. Never gave him my card. Super nice and easy!

In Seattle now waiting for connecting flight to kalispel. Hopefully all arrives 
un damaged. 

Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

VGT works great in friction. Doubt it will work indexed. I've used in friction 
on 10 spd cassette as well. 

Bill

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

FYI, for anyone planning to ride various sections of the GDMBR, an email I just 
received from Adventure Cycling (and how thoughtful they emailed just because I 
bought the map in the last year or so):

***
I’m reaching out to you because you purchased a Great Divide Mountain Bike 
Route map or data in the last year. I suspect you may be on the road now or 
soon. I wanted to make sure you were aware of some closures on the main GDMBR 
that will require you to use alternate routes to continue on your way.  

This is what we know as of July 6, 2018:

GDMBR Section 2, Map A: A road 26 miles south of Helena is closed due hazardous 
tree mitigation. You must use the Boulder Alternate.

GDMBR Section 3, Map A: A portion of FR 532, 46 miles east of Moran, is closed 
due to slumping. You must use the Wind River Alternate. Potentially Brooks Lake 
Rd., just east of Togwotee Pass, may be closed for the same reason requiring 
you to continue on US 26/287.

GDMBR Section 5, Maps B & C: Extreme heat and lack of precipitation have led to 
high fire danger in the Santa Fe and Carson National Forests. At this time, 
they are closed. A detour is required. A shuttle is available to get around 
part of it.

For more information on each of these situations, visit our Temporary ACA Route 
Road Closure Forum discussion at: advcy.link/tempclosforum

All map sections: You may encounter smoky conditions throughout the summer 
anywhere on the route. At those times you may wish to reroute to avoid it from 
time to time. Road closures may also occur to accommodate emergency vehicles. 
You can view our interactive map showing the GDMBR and active fire locations 
together at: http://advcy.link/interactivefire 
***

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Curtis McKenzie]

Safe travels. Have fun.

Curtis

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018, 6:53 PM Tom Norton  wrote:

> I noticed that the spec's for the bike show a Suntour VGT RD. I did not
> think it would work with a 9 speed.
> Can someone educate me as I would like to to use one on one of my bikes.
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Tom Norton]

I noticed that the spec's for the bike show a Suntour VGT RD. I did not think 
it would work with a 9 speed.
Can someone educate me as I would like to to use one on one of my bikes.
Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Craig Montgomery]

I always draw a schematic of my panniers and where everything is packed 
before taking off on a tour. And then I end up packing it away somewhere 
and  forgetting where it is until the end of the ride. 

BTW Bill, I was up on the Route just south of the Wyoming border about a 
week and a half ago. It was hot. And I'm from Tucson. It was hot. Mr. Sun 
was pretty intense at that high elevation and it didn't get chilly at 
night. All I needed was a wool T and vest. Make sure you have your rain 
gear. 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/albums/72157695288433312

Craig in Tucson

On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 10:59:25 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Tell me about it!!  And where?  I had everything so organized but then 
> have to move stuff around to get thru TSA.  Front panniers will be carry on 
> so have to make sure nothing essential in there that TSA won't like.  I 
> sort of knew where I wanted everything when riding but now I'll have to 
> remember where it went for flying.
>
> Bill
>
> On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 10:46:42 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Everything’s tidy and compact and ready to go! Now you just have the 
>> challenge of “Did I really pack x and y? I KNOW I packed z. Didn’t I? Oh, 
>> and I meant to take out q and r. Did I?” Sardonic grin. Then, at camp, the 
>> explosion that happens and how much space all that compact stuff ends up 
>> taking up. Grin. Have a fantastic ride! 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[ascpgh]

Probably not a big problem there but I am amazed by the growth of materials 
to be packed when exposed to dew or humidity. 

Maybe things won't move smoothly against themselves or others when so 
exposed. How ever it happens, things feel like they won't easily fit. Felt 
it trying to repack bike luggage, backpacks, sleeping bags, stuff sacks, 
and anything  with a canvas cover or bag for it during my olive drab days 
(and nights).

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 1:46:42 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Everything’s tidy and compact and ready to go! Now you just have the 
> challenge of “Did I really pack x and y? I KNOW I packed z. Didn’t I? Oh, 
> and I meant to take out q and r. Did I?” Sardonic grin. Then, at camp, the 
> explosion that happens and how much space all that compact stuff ends up 
> taking up. Grin. Have a fantastic ride! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

Tell me about it!!  And where?  I had everything so organized but then have 
to move stuff around to get thru TSA.  Front panniers will be carry on so 
have to make sure nothing essential in there that TSA won't like.  I sort 
of knew where I wanted everything when riding but now I'll have to remember 
where it went for flying.

Bill

On Sunday, July 8, 2018 at 10:46:42 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Everything’s tidy and compact and ready to go! Now you just have the 
> challenge of “Did I really pack x and y? I KNOW I packed z. Didn’t I? Oh, 
> and I meant to take out q and r. Did I?” Sardonic grin. Then, at camp, the 
> explosion that happens and how much space all that compact stuff ends up 
> taking up. Grin. Have a fantastic ride! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Everything’s tidy and compact and ready to go! Now you just have the challenge 
of “Did I really pack x and y? I KNOW I packed z. Didn’t I? Oh, and I meant to 
take out q and r. Did I?” Sardonic grin. Then, at camp, the explosion that 
happens and how much space all that compact stuff ends up taking up. Grin. Have 
a fantastic ride!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

Craig, Steven - Seems like I’m not too far out of line.  Just got an email from 
our leader saying she saves 30% of her capacity for community stuff.  I think 
I’ll need the fronts.

I do like the Beckman’s.  Very solid and allow for some creative ways of 
packing.

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Craig Montgomery]

Your set up is great Bill. Gawd I love those Beckman's. I have a pair of 
NOS fronts a friend sold to me when he lucked upon a practically unused 
Bruce Gordon tourer from the early 90's. 

I'm going with front panniers also. But they'll be mounted high which helps 
a bit in the pushing department. My main concern was manhandling a heavy 
front load on steep jeep roads or single track. Or deep sand. Here's the 
Master at work. Ian Hibell: 




 So look at everything and ask Do I need it? and Is there someway I can 
lighten it? Ounces add up to pounds. And keep the light stuff up front. 
It's less wearing on you. And hope you don't come across a road like the 
one in your left hand photo. That's ugly. 

Craig in Tucson


On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 4:24:11 PM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Craig,
>
> I enjoyed browsing your photos.  It actually looks as though your setups 
> are pretty close to mine.
>
> I did take a S24O practice ride Friday to Saturday.  Only 15 miles to and 
> from campground but two gravel grades I couldn’t make without pushing.  I 
> can do both unloaded but I’m pretty sure now that both are hike a bikes for 
> me if I’m loaded no matter how I try.  Loaded rig weighed in at 75 but then 
> I added a book, windbreaker and some food.  Let’s say 80.  I’m 175 ready to 
> ride so even if I shave off 10 pounds of gear that’s not even 4% and I have 
> no interest in trying to do what the UL guys do.  My bike ready to roll for 
> everyday riding is about 38 or, say, roughly half of what I had on this 
> S24O.  That was about 5 lbs for each front bag and a not very well balanced 
> rear load of 7/12. The rest is the tent, pad and whatever the handlebar bag 
> was.  I do think that 10 pounds would make a much bigger difference when 
> pushing compared to when riding but I did manage.  I guess I didn't find 
> the front bags particularly annoying while pushing.  Had fun, learned a few 
> things and will probably do one or two more before my trip and will give 
> thought to doing one without the front bags to see what I think. 
>  Interestingly, ACA does highly recommend a front/rear setup and I have to 
> be mindful of allowing capacity for my share of community items.  My rear 
> bags do have massive capacity though so I might be able to do it rear only. 
>  I'll look at that. I do need practice with the tent!  I was horribly 
> inefficient setting up in wind.  Fortunately, it wasn’t raining but, much 
> to my surprise, I got some of what passes for rain in San Diego during the 
> night and in the morning.
>
> I will have a chain tool and enough other tools of my own to do most 
> repairs.  Somewhere in my materials I think is a list of the community 
> tools which I'll review.  Were I to be trying the entire GDMBR I would 
> probably expand the set of tools on board.
>
>
> If the pictures attach, one shows a hike a bike section of softball+ 
> gravel that is relatively level.  I tried to ride that once, fell and have 
> decided I’m too old for that.  The other shows the grade Saturday S-ing up 
> from the top of the trees in the center.  I think that is about where I 
> gave out.  The third is resting on my push up that same grade looking back. 
>  The angle of my bike might give some indication as to what the grade was 
> there.  I probably pushed somewhere between 1/4 to 1/3 mile on a 15%+ grade.
>
>
> One thing I’ve learned from my test rides is that riding a loaded up bike 
> is a great way to meet people!  They come over to talk in camp and riders 
> who would ordinarily blow right by me, slow down and chat for a while.  Of 
> course, I’m embarrassed to admit I’m not even 15 miles from home, haha.
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 10:26:27 AM UTC-7, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>>
>>  Yo Bill, as one 65 year old fart to another, you're gonna have a 
>> blast. I have to say that because I'm about to do the Colorado segment with 
>> another 65 yr old. We gotta stick together.
>>   I like the comments so far. Food for thought is wonderful when you 
>> have that hunger of anticipation. Patrick made a good point. If you've ever 
>> thought ultralight now's the time. And keep as much off the front as 
>> possible. It's much easier to push a loaded bike without awkwardly 
>> bulgeous  front panniers. There's less manhandling, which can be 
>> exhausting. If you can forgo the front panniers altogether do it.
>>   Which leads me to a suggestion. Get a Nitto lampholder 2-70 (SJS 
>> Cycles) and hang a Nelson long flap or Camper off of it. This makes pushing 
>> uphill much more manageable as your legs don't end up knocking into the 
>> panniers when the bike is being unwieldly. Here is a lampholder in action 
>> on the front of my Condor touring bike (with front panniers in this 
>> instance) and then my set up on the Dave Bohm in steep 

[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Mattt]

Wow.  You weren’t kidding about the rear bags being massive.  I am usually an 
overpacker. I would rather have it and not need then need it and not have it. 

Enjoy the travels. 

Matt

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Deacon Patrick]

Looks like you’re getting more comfortable, including with being uncomfortable! 
Grin. Great job! Baby-head sized rocks are never ridable short of an extreme 
MTB or fatbike set up. Fortunately, they are bikeable via LCG! Grin. Photos of 
steep bits always look wimpy. They never show the blood, sweat, and tears. I 
gave up trying, and just try to shoot the fun along the way.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Craig Montgomery]

 Yo Bill, as one 65 year old fart to another, you're gonna have a 
blast. I have to say that because I'm about to do the Colorado segment with 
another 65 yr old. We gotta stick together.
  I like the comments so far. Food for thought is wonderful when you 
have that hunger of anticipation. Patrick made a good point. If you've ever 
thought ultralight now's the time. And keep as much off the front as 
possible. It's much easier to push a loaded bike without awkwardly 
bulgeous  front panniers. There's less manhandling, which can be 
exhausting. If you can forgo the front panniers altogether do it.
  Which leads me to a suggestion. Get a Nitto lampholder 2-70 (SJS 
Cycles) and hang a Nelson long flap or Camper off of it. This makes pushing 
uphill much more manageable as your legs don't end up knocking into the 
panniers when the bike is being unwieldly. Here is a lampholder in action 
on the front of my Condor touring bike (with front panniers in this 
instance) and then my set up on the Dave Bohm in steep country:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/34136413404/in/album-72157684433492685/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/2619731131/in/album-72157605875983685/

 The Condor has small front panniers (Carradice Super C's) on this 
particular trip. Sometimes I like front panniers because I carry a lot of 
water here in desert country. Up there in the northern country water is 
less of an issue. Since you're going on an organized tour I'd ask one of 
the leaders what he/she thinks about this.  A light front end in rough 
country is handy.   

 As far as bears go I've not had any experience with bear spray but I 
have had experience with bears. I take a marine whistle. These things are 
killer loud and they make bears go away in rapid retreat. At least brown 
bears. You might just piss off a grizzly. At which point you'd probably 
wish you'd brought bear spray.  
https://www.campmor.com/c/harmony-tornado-t2000-marine-whistle

As you're on an organized tour you probably won't need these things but I 
always bring a chain tool, a headset/pedal wrench combo, and a crank 
wrench. Have never had a bottom bracket come loose but have had cranks 
loosen up. Have also had a loose headset or two. Weird things happen on 
rough roads. 

 I prefer rain capes to rain jackets. Don't care about wet legs. But 
that is a desert adaptation. You're less worried about warmth and capes are 
much cooler when riding. They also make a great mini-tent when you sit 
cross-legged and wait out a storm. 

Have fun.
Craig in Tucson

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Just received final confirmation (on my 65th birthday) from AC that our 
> tour from Banff to Whitefish on the GDMBR is officially a go. I have been 
> excitedly prepping myself and my Atlantis for this adventure. Hanging from 
> the frame will be:
>
>
> Bruce Gordon front and rear racks
>
> VO decaleur front rack
>
> 3 cheapo/clearance water bottle cages from Nashbar
>
> B17 saddle, very well broken in and so comfortable
>
> Sugino triple 46/36/24
>
> Shimano A530 pedals (spd one side, platform the other)
>
> Suntour Cyclone FD
>
> Suntour VGT RD
>
> Suntour bar-end friction shifters
>
> Shimano HG-400-9 12-36 cassette
>
> Crane Creek brake levers on Specialized 40mm drop bars (swapped from 
> stoker position on tandem for Albastache)
>
> Shimano cantilever brakes
>
> Deore LX 32/36 hubs laced by RL to Velocity Synergy 700C rims
>
> Schwalbe Mondial 50mm tires (measure at 47-48 @ 40 psi on the Velocity 
> rims)
>
>
> I’ve decided against fenders because clearance is so tight, I am not sure 
> I can fit them in the bike box, it will simplify break down and reassembly 
> (which I’ll be doing myself), and it will reduce toe overlap. I may decide 
> to borrow 40 hole, White Industries, Velocity Dyad front wheel from tandem 
> but probably not. I’ll box the bike myself in a Bikeflights cardboard box 
> and check for $25 on Alaskan Airlines.
>
> May opt for a smaller water bottle on the bottom - that’s pretty tight. 
> 40+ year old Kirtland handlebar bag, Beckman front and rear panniers. I 
> suspect there will be some modifications yet as I ride and fiddle. 
> Certainly, this is no UL rig but I can and have lifted it over obstacles as 
> much as 2 ft high.  Maybe I'll be lucky and get a "whatever it takes" 
> comment.
>
> I have plenty of touring experience but do not have a lot of off-pavement 
> experience. I have been doing some practicing here in San Diego to try to 
> get ready. I have successfully taken this unloaded up a about half-mile 
> 15-22% gravel grade but only made it up about half way on my one and only 
> loaded attempt. Pushing the rest of the way was no picnic. I will try again 
> doubtlessly. I’m a little concerned about climbs like this at altitude but 
> one way or another, I’ll manage. Interestingly (to me), I’ve found riding 
> loaded on gravel is easier for me (except for 

[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[John Rinker]

Thanks Bill. Another great ride close to home: The Kettle Valley Railway 
and Columbia Western Railway. Both are part of the Trans-Canada Trail 
.  BTW, all of those photos were taken with the 
Nikon AW130 I mentioned. Great results in a tiny, lightweight package. 

Cheers,
John


On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 1:46:17 PM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Love the bike and the other photos too!
>
> Bill
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 9:58:54 AM UTC-7, John Rinker wrote:
>>
>> Actually Bill, a buddy and I are leaving Banff on July 14 to complete the 
>> route and we have tossed the idea of bear spray around, but we've opted for 
>> bells and music to let the bears know we're in the area. 
>>
>> They look like nice bags and, you're absolutely right, nothing says you 
>> have to fill them. To a point, I think it's always better to have and not 
>> need rather than need and not have. Plus, a chain tool looks awesome as a 
>> necklace pendant!
>>
>> I love to take photos on tour and carry a Nikon AW130, a compact 
>> point-and-shoot that takes amazing photos, is waterproof and the battery 
>> seems to last forever.
>>
>> Here's a photo of my loaded bike from a tour through BC I did last Fall. 
>> My kit for the Great Divide will be the same except for an extra King Cage 
>> and a 64oz Kleen Kanteen which makes a very fine growler. 
>> Hunqapillar on the KVR 
>>
>> Oh, and I've put my Nitto Albatross bars back on because they're the bomb!
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 9:40:33 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, John.  So I need to add bear spray to my load?   
>>>
>>> I think my load probably looks heavier than it is, though it is by no 
>>> means minimal.  The rear panniers are Beckman “tandem” panniers which I 
>>> picked up 2nd or 3rd hand virtually unused and they are massive(hmm, the 
>>> reason for their being unused?).  I am trying to be mindful of not 
>>> “filling” them unnecessarily.  As previously noted, some of that “fill” is 
>>> my tent which ordinarily I’d have strapped to the rack.  I do really like 
>>> some of the features the Beckmans offer over my Madden panniers from AC so 
>>> I’m going to go with them even though they may be overkill. 
>>>
>>> Otherwise, one of my joys from cycling, whether touring or not, is the 
>>> idea of self sufficiency.  This gives me more satisfaction than low weight 
>>> and fast times.  I have only broken a chain once in my life many years ago. 
>>>  I did not have a chain tool with me and had to call for a ride.  Ever 
>>> since, I have always ridden with a chain tool and never needed it.  I’m 
>>> leaning towards carrying a spare tire even though I’ll probably/hopefully 
>>> not need it.  I also plan to be prepared for some extreme weather even if I 
>>> hope I’ll have carried some gear I never use.  And, how much camera 
>>> equipment to take?  I will say I’m questioning some of my thoughts on 
>>> weight (and listening to you and DP) with respect to hike-a-bike portions. 
>>>  I don’t mind weight while riding as long as I have the gearing but I know 
>>> I’m going to have to do some pushing!  How much pushing I have to do, I am 
>>> thinking though, will be as dependent on my limited off road 
>>> experience/skill as on the weight I’m carrying (ie I don’t think if I’m 
>>> 5-10 lbs overpacked it will make a big difference on how much pushing I do 
>>> but could make a big difference on how difficult the pushing is).   
>>>
>>> What I’m most sure of is that I’m going to learn a lot and have a good 
>>> time.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[John Rinker]

Hey Ed,

Going to use some Teravail Sparwoods 2.2 
. Although the WTB Nanos on the 
bike now are super comfy, big and bouncy; they're just a bit worn down. 

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 12:30:39 PM UTC-7, ed wrote:
>
> Slightly OT.
> Hi John, nice setup you have on your Hunqapillar. What tires you will 
> using on the GDMBR?
>
> On 24 May 2018, at 1:01 AM, John Rinker  
> wrote:
>
> Right on, Deacon! My father always told me: 'My boy, start out stupid 
> enough and you can learn something new each day.' I believe in Zen Buddhism 
> this is referred to as 'Beginner's Mind'!
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 9:52:08 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> “What I’m most sure of is that I’m going to learn a lot and have a good 
>> time.” 
>>
>> This, Bill. You’re ready. Go. Fret not between now and going. You can 
>> spin the intellectual wheels all you want (or not) between now and going, 
>> but until experience is your teacher, you can’t make any reasoned choices. 
>> Grin. In short, you have to be willing to be stupid to get smart. Grin. 
>> Enjoy! 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

John,

Love the bike and the other photos too!

Bill

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 9:58:54 AM UTC-7, John Rinker wrote:
>
> Actually Bill, a buddy and I are leaving Banff on July 14 to complete the 
> route and we have tossed the idea of bear spray around, but we've opted for 
> bells and music to let the bears know we're in the area. 
>
> They look like nice bags and, you're absolutely right, nothing says you 
> have to fill them. To a point, I think it's always better to have and not 
> need rather than need and not have. Plus, a chain tool looks awesome as a 
> necklace pendant!
>
> I love to take photos on tour and carry a Nikon AW130, a compact 
> point-and-shoot that takes amazing photos, is waterproof and the battery 
> seems to last forever.
>
> Here's a photo of my loaded bike from a tour through BC I did last Fall. 
> My kit for the Great Divide will be the same except for an extra King Cage 
> and a 64oz Kleen Kanteen which makes a very fine growler. 
> Hunqapillar on the KVR 
>
> Oh, and I've put my Nitto Albatross bars back on because they're the bomb!
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 9:40:33 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, John.  So I need to add bear spray to my load?   
>>
>> I think my load probably looks heavier than it is, though it is by no 
>> means minimal.  The rear panniers are Beckman “tandem” panniers which I 
>> picked up 2nd or 3rd hand virtually unused and they are massive(hmm, the 
>> reason for their being unused?).  I am trying to be mindful of not 
>> “filling” them unnecessarily.  As previously noted, some of that “fill” is 
>> my tent which ordinarily I’d have strapped to the rack.  I do really like 
>> some of the features the Beckmans offer over my Madden panniers from AC so 
>> I’m going to go with them even though they may be overkill. 
>>
>> Otherwise, one of my joys from cycling, whether touring or not, is the 
>> idea of self sufficiency.  This gives me more satisfaction than low weight 
>> and fast times.  I have only broken a chain once in my life many years ago. 
>>  I did not have a chain tool with me and had to call for a ride.  Ever 
>> since, I have always ridden with a chain tool and never needed it.  I’m 
>> leaning towards carrying a spare tire even though I’ll probably/hopefully 
>> not need it.  I also plan to be prepared for some extreme weather even if I 
>> hope I’ll have carried some gear I never use.  And, how much camera 
>> equipment to take?  I will say I’m questioning some of my thoughts on 
>> weight (and listening to you and DP) with respect to hike-a-bike portions. 
>>  I don’t mind weight while riding as long as I have the gearing but I know 
>> I’m going to have to do some pushing!  How much pushing I have to do, I am 
>> thinking though, will be as dependent on my limited off road 
>> experience/skill as on the weight I’m carrying (ie I don’t think if I’m 
>> 5-10 lbs overpacked it will make a big difference on how much pushing I do 
>> but could make a big difference on how difficult the pushing is).   
>>
>> What I’m most sure of is that I’m going to learn a lot and have a good 
>> time.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Steven Sweedler]

Bill, when I rode in 2016  I was made to feel I had to have bear spray and
you will see many warnings not to walk around without it.  I never did see
a  bear on my trip, enjoy the ride, its wonderful. Steve

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 12:40 PM Bill Schairer  wrote:

> Thanks, John.  So I need to add bear spray to my load?
>
> I think my load probably looks heavier than it is, though it is by no
> means minimal.  The rear panniers are Beckman “tandem” panniers which I
> picked up 2nd or 3rd hand virtually unused and they are massive(hmm, the
> reason for their being unused?).  I am trying to be mindful of not
> “filling” them unnecessarily.  As previously noted, some of that “fill” is
> my tent which ordinarily I’d have strapped to the rack.  I do really like
> some of the features the Beckmans offer over my Madden panniers from AC so
> I’m going to go with them even though they may be overkill.
>
> Otherwise, one of my joys from cycling, whether touring or not, is the
> idea of self sufficiency.  This gives me more satisfaction than low weight
> and fast times.  I have only broken a chain once in my life many years
> ago.  I did not have a chain tool with me and had to call for a ride.  Ever
> since, I have always ridden with a chain tool and never needed it.  I’m
> leaning towards carrying a spare tire even though I’ll probably/hopefully
> not need it.  I also plan to be prepared for some extreme weather even if I
> hope I’ll have carried some gear I never use.  And, how much camera
> equipment to take?  I will say I’m questioning some of my thoughts on
> weight (and listening to you and DP) with respect to hike-a-bike portions.
> I don’t mind weight while riding as long as I have the gearing but I know
> I’m going to have to do some pushing!  How much pushing I have to do, I am
> thinking though, will be as dependent on my limited off road
> experience/skill as on the weight I’m carrying (ie I don’t think if I’m
> 5-10 lbs overpacked it will make a big difference on how much pushing I do
> but could make a big difference on how difficult the pushing is).
>
> What I’m most sure of is that I’m going to learn a lot and have a good
> time.
>
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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

“You can spin the intellectual wheels all you want (or not) between now and 
going, but until experience is your teacher, you can’t make any reasoned 
choices. Grin. In short, you have to be willing to be stupid to get smart. 
Grin. Enjoy! “

Haha, yes, I might worry about overthinking the whole thing but that is part of 
the fun!

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Re: [RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Ed Fausto]

Slightly OT.
Hi John, nice setup you have on your Hunqapillar. What tires you will using on 
the GDMBR?

> On 24 May 2018, at 1:01 AM, John Rinker  wrote:
> 
> Right on, Deacon! My father always told me: 'My boy, start out stupid enough 
> and you can learn something new each day.' I believe in Zen Buddhism this is 
> referred to as 'Beginner's Mind'!
> 
> Cheers,
> John
> 
>> On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 9:52:08 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>> “What I’m most sure of is that I’m going to learn a lot and have a good 
>> time.” 
>> 
>> This, Bill. You’re ready. Go. Fret not between now and going. You can spin 
>> the intellectual wheels all you want (or not) between now and going, but 
>> until experience is your teacher, you can’t make any reasoned choices. Grin. 
>> In short, you have to be willing to be stupid to get smart. Grin. Enjoy! 
>> 
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[John Rinker]

Right on, Deacon! My father always told me: 'My boy, start out stupid 
enough and you can learn something new each day.' I believe in Zen Buddhism 
this is referred to as 'Beginner's Mind'!

Cheers,
John

On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 9:52:08 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> “What I’m most sure of is that I’m going to learn a lot and have a good 
> time.” 
>
> This, Bill. You’re ready. Go. Fret not between now and going. You can spin 
> the intellectual wheels all you want (or not) between now and going, but 
> until experience is your teacher, you can’t make any reasoned choices. 
> Grin. In short, you have to be willing to be stupid to get smart. Grin. 
> Enjoy! 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[John Rinker]

Actually Bill, a buddy and I are leaving Banff on July 14 to complete the 
route and we have tossed the idea of bear spray around, but we've opted for 
bells and music to let the bears know we're in the area. 

They look like nice bags and, you're absolutely right, nothing says you 
have to fill them. To a point, I think it's always better to have and not 
need rather than need and not have. Plus, a chain tool looks awesome as a 
necklace pendant!

I love to take photos on tour and carry a Nikon AW130, a compact 
point-and-shoot that takes amazing photos, is waterproof and the battery 
seems to last forever.

Here's a photo of my loaded bike from a tour through BC I did last Fall. My 
kit for the Great Divide will be the same except for an extra King Cage and 
a 64oz Kleen Kanteen which makes a very fine growler. 
Hunqapillar on the KVR 

Oh, and I've put my Nitto Albatross bars back on because they're the bomb!

Cheers, John



On Wednesday, May 23, 2018 at 9:40:33 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Thanks, John.  So I need to add bear spray to my load?   
>
> I think my load probably looks heavier than it is, though it is by no 
> means minimal.  The rear panniers are Beckman “tandem” panniers which I 
> picked up 2nd or 3rd hand virtually unused and they are massive(hmm, the 
> reason for their being unused?).  I am trying to be mindful of not 
> “filling” them unnecessarily.  As previously noted, some of that “fill” is 
> my tent which ordinarily I’d have strapped to the rack.  I do really like 
> some of the features the Beckmans offer over my Madden panniers from AC so 
> I’m going to go with them even though they may be overkill. 
>
> Otherwise, one of my joys from cycling, whether touring or not, is the 
> idea of self sufficiency.  This gives me more satisfaction than low weight 
> and fast times.  I have only broken a chain once in my life many years ago. 
>  I did not have a chain tool with me and had to call for a ride.  Ever 
> since, I have always ridden with a chain tool and never needed it.  I’m 
> leaning towards carrying a spare tire even though I’ll probably/hopefully 
> not need it.  I also plan to be prepared for some extreme weather even if I 
> hope I’ll have carried some gear I never use.  And, how much camera 
> equipment to take?  I will say I’m questioning some of my thoughts on 
> weight (and listening to you and DP) with respect to hike-a-bike portions. 
>  I don’t mind weight while riding as long as I have the gearing but I know 
> I’m going to have to do some pushing!  How much pushing I have to do, I am 
> thinking though, will be as dependent on my limited off road 
> experience/skill as on the weight I’m carrying (ie I don’t think if I’m 
> 5-10 lbs overpacked it will make a big difference on how much pushing I do 
> but could make a big difference on how difficult the pushing is).   
>
> What I’m most sure of is that I’m going to learn a lot and have a good 
> time.

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Deacon Patrick]

“What I’m most sure of is that I’m going to learn a lot and have a good time.”

This, Bill. You’re ready. Go. Fret not between now and going. You can spin the 
intellectual wheels all you want (or not) between now and going, but until 
experience is your teacher, you can’t make any reasoned choices. Grin. In 
short, you have to be willing to be stupid to get smart. Grin. Enjoy!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

Thanks, John.  So I need to add bear spray to my load?  

I think my load probably looks heavier than it is, though it is by no means 
minimal.  The rear panniers are Beckman “tandem” panniers which I picked up 2nd 
or 3rd hand virtually unused and they are massive(hmm, the reason for their 
being unused?).  I am trying to be mindful of not “filling” them unnecessarily. 
 As previously noted, some of that “fill” is my tent which ordinarily I’d have 
strapped to the rack.  I do really like some of the features the Beckmans offer 
over my Madden panniers from AC so I’m going to go with them even though they 
may be overkill.

Otherwise, one of my joys from cycling, whether touring or not, is the idea of 
self sufficiency.  This gives me more satisfaction than low weight and fast 
times.  I have only broken a chain once in my life many years ago.  I did not 
have a chain tool with me and had to call for a ride.  Ever since, I have 
always ridden with a chain tool and never needed it.  I’m leaning towards 
carrying a spare tire even though I’ll probably/hopefully not need it.  I also 
plan to be prepared for some extreme weather even if I hope I’ll have carried 
some gear I never use.  And, how much camera equipment to take?  I will say I’m 
questioning some of my thoughts on weight (and listening to you and DP) with 
respect to hike-a-bike portions.  I don’t mind weight while riding as long as I 
have the gearing but I know I’m going to have to do some pushing!  How much 
pushing I have to do, I am thinking though, will be as dependent on my limited 
off road experience/skill as on the weight I’m carrying (ie I don’t think if 
I’m 5-10 lbs overpacked it will make a big difference on how much pushing I do 
but could make a big difference on how difficult the pushing is).  

What I’m most sure of is that I’m going to learn a lot and have a good time.

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[John Rinker]

Awesome Bill! You'll be riding through the Flathead River valley 
wilderness- some of the finest that Western Canada has to offer- that teems 
with wildlife. The bike is perfect, and anyone who tells you that you need 
3" tires and suspension is just trying to sell you a new bike (Nothing 
wrong with new bikes!). From the looks of your luggage is appears as though 
you're planning on taking a lot of gear- maybe more than you need. I'm with 
Deacon in that 'lighter and tighter' makes for a more enjoyable ride/push. 
But as an experienced tourer you already know this. Enjoy the ride, be 
safe, and if you're very lucky you may encounter the grizzlies for which 
the Flathead River is famous! 

Cheers,
John

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Just received final confirmation (on my 65th birthday) from AC that our 
> tour from Banff to Whitefish on the GDMBR is officially a go. I have been 
> excitedly prepping myself and my Atlantis for this adventure. Hanging from 
> the frame will be:
>
>
> Bruce Gordon front and rear racks
>
> VO decaleur front rack
>
> 3 cheapo/clearance water bottle cages from Nashbar
>
> B17 saddle, very well broken in and so comfortable
>
> Sugino triple 46/36/24
>
> Shimano A530 pedals (spd one side, platform the other)
>
> Suntour Cyclone FD
>
> Suntour VGT RD
>
> Suntour bar-end friction shifters
>
> Shimano HG-400-9 12-36 cassette
>
> Crane Creek brake levers on Specialized 40mm drop bars (swapped from 
> stoker position on tandem for Albastache)
>
> Shimano cantilever brakes
>
> Deore LX 32/36 hubs laced by RL to Velocity Synergy 700C rims
>
> Schwalbe Mondial 50mm tires (measure at 47-48 @ 40 psi on the Velocity 
> rims)
>
>
> I’ve decided against fenders because clearance is so tight, I am not sure 
> I can fit them in the bike box, it will simplify break down and reassembly 
> (which I’ll be doing myself), and it will reduce toe overlap. I may decide 
> to borrow 40 hole, White Industries, Velocity Dyad front wheel from tandem 
> but probably not. I’ll box the bike myself in a Bikeflights cardboard box 
> and check for $25 on Alaskan Airlines.
>
> May opt for a smaller water bottle on the bottom - that’s pretty tight. 
> 40+ year old Kirtland handlebar bag, Beckman front and rear panniers. I 
> suspect there will be some modifications yet as I ride and fiddle. 
> Certainly, this is no UL rig but I can and have lifted it over obstacles as 
> much as 2 ft high.  Maybe I'll be lucky and get a "whatever it takes" 
> comment.
>
> I have plenty of touring experience but do not have a lot of off-pavement 
> experience. I have been doing some practicing here in San Diego to try to 
> get ready. I have successfully taken this unloaded up a about half-mile 
> 15-22% gravel grade but only made it up about half way on my one and only 
> loaded attempt. Pushing the rest of the way was no picnic. I will try again 
> doubtlessly. I’m a little concerned about climbs like this at altitude but 
> one way or another, I’ll manage. Interestingly (to me), I’ve found riding 
> loaded on gravel is easier for me (except for steepest grades) than 
> unloaded. I don’t have to concentrate so much on keeping my weight back or 
> worry about lifting the front wheel. The load also seems to smooth out the 
> rough a bit and the ride feels more stable to me. It is harder to correct 
> my line if I lose it though, especially climbing.
>
>
> As excited as I am, my wife is a bit peeved as I start on her birthday. 
> I’ve tried to explain that this is when the tour is offered so there really 
> wasn’t any choice and I’m getting to the point in life where I have to stop 
> dreaming of doing these things and just do them.
>
>
> Oh, and other RBW content, MUSA pants will double as my off bike pants and 
> rain/wind pants. My wife even gave me another pair for my birthday because 
> she knows I like them so much. Sorry for the length of post but I’m excited!
>
>
> Unloaded and loaded (projected) attached?
>
>
> Bill
>

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[nick b]

Yes!  So I actually decided to purchase my Appaloosa while riding from 
Banff to Whitefish last summer on a converted rig that blew out 3 spokes on 
the rear wheel about 40 miles north of the Canadian border.  Long story but 
it's incredible an incredible trip.  One of the best experiences of my 
life.  I'll ride the GDMBR one day.  I actually had been lusting after an 
Atlantis for well over 10 years but the Appaloosa was easier to swallow at 
the time so I went for it.  Had I known that they would make the chainstays 
longer and sell it for damn near half the price of the USA made one I would 
have waited for the Atlantis!  But oh well, I'm beyond happy with my 
build.  Enjoy your trip.  Make sure you ride Going-to-the-Sun Road both 
ways.  It's unbelievable.

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Jeffrey Arita]

Hi Bill,

Ah, got it on the ACA tourMy wife and I have never been up in the 
Canadian Rockies by bicycle so it will be a "first-time" experience for 
us.  From Mexico to Butte, MT we had the good fortune to see all the riders 
headed southbound.  We saw ALL kinds of bikes on the Divide.  Many of the 
Europeans brought their standard touring bicycles (front and rear racks 
with panniers) with relatively narrow Schwalbe touring tires.  They got 
along fine!  Have a great time!

Best regards,

Jeff

On Monday, May 14, 2018 at 6:39:26 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> First, I thought I posted a reply to everyone thanking for all the good 
> wishes but I don't see it.
>
> Second, Jeff, what I'm going on is one of ACA's organized tours from Banff 
> to Whitefish, MT.  I saw that about the route extension to Jasper for their 
> maps but I'm quite certain Jasper will not be our starting point on the 
> tour.  Maybe next time.  This is my first organized tour so I'm a bit 
> nervous about that.  I've always toured with friends or family but nobody I 
> know wants to do self contained camping anymore much less off road and I 
> don't want to make my first off road by myself, so...
>
> I have done Jasper to Banff on the Icefields Parkway back in 1982 and it 
> was spectacular.  Truly a can't miss ride.
>
> On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 8:34:10 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>> Hey Bill,
>>
>> Have a BLAST on the GDMBR!  Looks like you have prepped very well.
>>
>> Will the ACA allow you to start from Jasper, this being the 20th 
>> Anniversary of the GD?  The ACA is supposed to have the map section for the 
>> Canada portion updated to have the new terminus in Jasper (vs. Banff) by 
>> June 15th or so.  An additional 387 miles, through some of the most 
>> gorgeous scenery on the planet.  My wife called and their website says June 
>> 15 but verbally they are not committing to any specific date for public 
>> availability of the revised map section :(
>>
>> My wife and I are headed back up to Butte, MT late June / early July.  We 
>> are northbounders.  Last year we departed Puerto Palomas (alternate 
>> end/start) and made it to Butte before the first snows hit in 
>> mid-September.  We hit the pause button in 2017.  So, we are hitting the 
>> re-start button and maybe we will encounter you later this year?  When do 
>> you depart?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>>
>>> Just received final confirmation (on my 65th birthday) from AC that our 
>>> tour from Banff to Whitefish on the GDMBR is officially a go. I have been 
>>> excitedly prepping myself and my Atlantis for this adventure. Hanging from 
>>> the frame will be:
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Gordon front and rear racks
>>>
>>> VO decaleur front rack
>>>
>>> 3 cheapo/clearance water bottle cages from Nashbar
>>>
>>> B17 saddle, very well broken in and so comfortable
>>>
>>> Sugino triple 46/36/24
>>>
>>> Shimano A530 pedals (spd one side, platform the other)
>>>
>>> Suntour Cyclone FD
>>>
>>> Suntour VGT RD
>>>
>>> Suntour bar-end friction shifters
>>>
>>> Shimano HG-400-9 12-36 cassette
>>>
>>> Crane Creek brake levers on Specialized 40mm drop bars (swapped from 
>>> stoker position on tandem for Albastache)
>>>
>>> Shimano cantilever brakes
>>>
>>> Deore LX 32/36 hubs laced by RL to Velocity Synergy 700C rims
>>>
>>> Schwalbe Mondial 50mm tires (measure at 47-48 @ 40 psi on the Velocity 
>>> rims)
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve decided against fenders because clearance is so tight, I am not 
>>> sure I can fit them in the bike box, it will simplify break down and 
>>> reassembly (which I’ll be doing myself), and it will reduce toe overlap. I 
>>> may decide to borrow 40 hole, White Industries, Velocity Dyad front wheel 
>>> from tandem but probably not. I’ll box the bike myself in a Bikeflights 
>>> cardboard box and check for $25 on Alaskan Airlines.
>>>
>>> May opt for a smaller water bottle on the bottom - that’s pretty tight. 
>>> 40+ year old Kirtland handlebar bag, Beckman front and rear panniers. I 
>>> suspect there will be some modifications yet as I ride and fiddle. 
>>> Certainly, this is no UL rig but I can and have lifted it over obstacles as 
>>> much as 2 ft high.  Maybe I'll be lucky and get a "whatever it takes" 
>>> comment.
>>>
>>> I have plenty of touring experience but do not have a lot of 
>>> off-pavement experience. I have been doing some practicing here in San 
>>> Diego to try to get ready. I have successfully taken this unloaded up a 
>>> about half-mile 15-22% gravel grade but only made it up about half way on 
>>> my one and only loaded attempt. Pushing the rest of the way was no picnic. 
>>> I will try again doubtlessly. I’m a little concerned about climbs like this 
>>> at altitude but one way or another, I’ll manage. Interestingly (to me), 
>>> I’ve found riding loaded on gravel is easier for me (except for steepest 
>>> grades) than unloaded. I don’t have to 

[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[ctbiker]

>Are you taking a phone? If so, how will you charge it?

On my ACA Banff-Whitefish tour, we all charged our phones in the campground 
bathroom the first night. When we checked in the morning, ONE phone had 
been stolen, the leader's! It was the cheapest flip phone you could get but 
he had to go "without" for the entire trip (other than the SAT phone he 
carried) If you carry a power bank for charging, you should have no 
problems. There'll be opportunities to charge that battery.

Your trip will be tough but extremely rewarding -- enjoy!
Ray
Connecticut

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

BC, yes, I will bring a tent.  In that photo it is packed in the panniers and I 
think that is how I’ll travel with it.  I will also bring a phone and probably 
at least two backup batteries and hope to be able to charge here and there.  
I’m figuring I’ll have it in airplane mode to conserve power.

Bill

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[ctbiker]

>Are you taking a phone? If so, how will you charge it?

The first night at the Banff campground, we all put our phones in the 
bathroom where there was an electric outlet. One [ONE] 

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[BCDrums]

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
>
> Unloaded and loaded (projected) attached?
>
>
> Bill
>

Bill, best of luck on your trip, you seem very well-prepared. Are you 
bringing a tent? I don't see it on you photo, maybe it's blocked by the 
sleeping bag.

Are you taking a phone? If so, how will you charge it?

BC 

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Bill Schairer]

First, I thought I posted a reply to everyone thanking for all the good 
wishes but I don't see it.

Second, Jeff, what I'm going on is one of ACA's organized tours from Banff 
to Whitefish, MT.  I saw that about the route extension to Jasper for their 
maps but I'm quite certain Jasper will not be our starting point on the 
tour.  Maybe next time.  This is my first organized tour so I'm a bit 
nervous about that.  I've always toured with friends or family but nobody I 
know wants to do self contained camping anymore much less off road and I 
don't want to make my first off road by myself, so...

I have done Jasper to Banff on the Icefields Parkway back in 1982 and it 
was spectacular.  Truly a can't miss ride.

On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 8:34:10 AM UTC-7, Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
> Hey Bill,
>
> Have a BLAST on the GDMBR!  Looks like you have prepped very well.
>
> Will the ACA allow you to start from Jasper, this being the 20th 
> Anniversary of the GD?  The ACA is supposed to have the map section for the 
> Canada portion updated to have the new terminus in Jasper (vs. Banff) by 
> June 15th or so.  An additional 387 miles, through some of the most 
> gorgeous scenery on the planet.  My wife called and their website says June 
> 15 but verbally they are not committing to any specific date for public 
> availability of the revised map section :(
>
> My wife and I are headed back up to Butte, MT late June / early July.  We 
> are northbounders.  Last year we departed Puerto Palomas (alternate 
> end/start) and made it to Butte before the first snows hit in 
> mid-September.  We hit the pause button in 2017.  So, we are hitting the 
> re-start button and maybe we will encounter you later this year?  When do 
> you depart?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jeff
>
> On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>>
>> Just received final confirmation (on my 65th birthday) from AC that our 
>> tour from Banff to Whitefish on the GDMBR is officially a go. I have been 
>> excitedly prepping myself and my Atlantis for this adventure. Hanging from 
>> the frame will be:
>>
>>
>> Bruce Gordon front and rear racks
>>
>> VO decaleur front rack
>>
>> 3 cheapo/clearance water bottle cages from Nashbar
>>
>> B17 saddle, very well broken in and so comfortable
>>
>> Sugino triple 46/36/24
>>
>> Shimano A530 pedals (spd one side, platform the other)
>>
>> Suntour Cyclone FD
>>
>> Suntour VGT RD
>>
>> Suntour bar-end friction shifters
>>
>> Shimano HG-400-9 12-36 cassette
>>
>> Crane Creek brake levers on Specialized 40mm drop bars (swapped from 
>> stoker position on tandem for Albastache)
>>
>> Shimano cantilever brakes
>>
>> Deore LX 32/36 hubs laced by RL to Velocity Synergy 700C rims
>>
>> Schwalbe Mondial 50mm tires (measure at 47-48 @ 40 psi on the Velocity 
>> rims)
>>
>>
>> I’ve decided against fenders because clearance is so tight, I am not sure 
>> I can fit them in the bike box, it will simplify break down and reassembly 
>> (which I’ll be doing myself), and it will reduce toe overlap. I may decide 
>> to borrow 40 hole, White Industries, Velocity Dyad front wheel from tandem 
>> but probably not. I’ll box the bike myself in a Bikeflights cardboard box 
>> and check for $25 on Alaskan Airlines.
>>
>> May opt for a smaller water bottle on the bottom - that’s pretty tight. 
>> 40+ year old Kirtland handlebar bag, Beckman front and rear panniers. I 
>> suspect there will be some modifications yet as I ride and fiddle. 
>> Certainly, this is no UL rig but I can and have lifted it over obstacles as 
>> much as 2 ft high.  Maybe I'll be lucky and get a "whatever it takes" 
>> comment.
>>
>> I have plenty of touring experience but do not have a lot of off-pavement 
>> experience. I have been doing some practicing here in San Diego to try to 
>> get ready. I have successfully taken this unloaded up a about half-mile 
>> 15-22% gravel grade but only made it up about half way on my one and only 
>> loaded attempt. Pushing the rest of the way was no picnic. I will try again 
>> doubtlessly. I’m a little concerned about climbs like this at altitude but 
>> one way or another, I’ll manage. Interestingly (to me), I’ve found riding 
>> loaded on gravel is easier for me (except for steepest grades) than 
>> unloaded. I don’t have to concentrate so much on keeping my weight back or 
>> worry about lifting the front wheel. The load also seems to smooth out the 
>> rough a bit and the ride feels more stable to me. It is harder to correct 
>> my line if I lose it though, especially climbing.
>>
>>
>> As excited as I am, my wife is a bit peeved as I start on her birthday. 
>> I’ve tried to explain that this is when the tour is offered so there really 
>> wasn’t any choice and I’m getting to the point in life where I have to stop 
>> dreaming of doing these things and just do them.
>>
>>
>> Oh, and other RBW content, MUSA pants will double as my off bike pants 
>> and rain/wind pants. My wife even gave me another pair 

[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[Jeffrey Arita]

Hey Bill,

Have a BLAST on the GDMBR!  Looks like you have prepped very well.

Will the ACA allow you to start from Jasper, this being the 20th 
Anniversary of the GD?  The ACA is supposed to have the map section for the 
Canada portion updated to have the new terminus in Jasper (vs. Banff) by 
June 15th or so.  An additional 387 miles, through some of the most 
gorgeous scenery on the planet.  My wife called and their website says June 
15 but verbally they are not committing to any specific date for public 
availability of the revised map section :(

My wife and I are headed back up to Butte, MT late June / early July.  We 
are northbounders.  Last year we departed Puerto Palomas (alternate 
end/start) and made it to Butte before the first snows hit in 
mid-September.  We hit the pause button in 2017.  So, we are hitting the 
re-start button and maybe we will encounter you later this year?  When do 
you depart?

Best regards,

Jeff

On Friday, May 11, 2018 at 3:52:24 PM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> Just received final confirmation (on my 65th birthday) from AC that our 
> tour from Banff to Whitefish on the GDMBR is officially a go. I have been 
> excitedly prepping myself and my Atlantis for this adventure. Hanging from 
> the frame will be:
>
>
> Bruce Gordon front and rear racks
>
> VO decaleur front rack
>
> 3 cheapo/clearance water bottle cages from Nashbar
>
> B17 saddle, very well broken in and so comfortable
>
> Sugino triple 46/36/24
>
> Shimano A530 pedals (spd one side, platform the other)
>
> Suntour Cyclone FD
>
> Suntour VGT RD
>
> Suntour bar-end friction shifters
>
> Shimano HG-400-9 12-36 cassette
>
> Crane Creek brake levers on Specialized 40mm drop bars (swapped from 
> stoker position on tandem for Albastache)
>
> Shimano cantilever brakes
>
> Deore LX 32/36 hubs laced by RL to Velocity Synergy 700C rims
>
> Schwalbe Mondial 50mm tires (measure at 47-48 @ 40 psi on the Velocity 
> rims)
>
>
> I’ve decided against fenders because clearance is so tight, I am not sure 
> I can fit them in the bike box, it will simplify break down and reassembly 
> (which I’ll be doing myself), and it will reduce toe overlap. I may decide 
> to borrow 40 hole, White Industries, Velocity Dyad front wheel from tandem 
> but probably not. I’ll box the bike myself in a Bikeflights cardboard box 
> and check for $25 on Alaskan Airlines.
>
> May opt for a smaller water bottle on the bottom - that’s pretty tight. 
> 40+ year old Kirtland handlebar bag, Beckman front and rear panniers. I 
> suspect there will be some modifications yet as I ride and fiddle. 
> Certainly, this is no UL rig but I can and have lifted it over obstacles as 
> much as 2 ft high.  Maybe I'll be lucky and get a "whatever it takes" 
> comment.
>
> I have plenty of touring experience but do not have a lot of off-pavement 
> experience. I have been doing some practicing here in San Diego to try to 
> get ready. I have successfully taken this unloaded up a about half-mile 
> 15-22% gravel grade but only made it up about half way on my one and only 
> loaded attempt. Pushing the rest of the way was no picnic. I will try again 
> doubtlessly. I’m a little concerned about climbs like this at altitude but 
> one way or another, I’ll manage. Interestingly (to me), I’ve found riding 
> loaded on gravel is easier for me (except for steepest grades) than 
> unloaded. I don’t have to concentrate so much on keeping my weight back or 
> worry about lifting the front wheel. The load also seems to smooth out the 
> rough a bit and the ride feels more stable to me. It is harder to correct 
> my line if I lose it though, especially climbing.
>
>
> As excited as I am, my wife is a bit peeved as I start on her birthday. 
> I’ve tried to explain that this is when the tour is offered so there really 
> wasn’t any choice and I’m getting to the point in life where I have to stop 
> dreaming of doing these things and just do them.
>
>
> Oh, and other RBW content, MUSA pants will double as my off bike pants and 
> rain/wind pants. My wife even gave me another pair for my birthday because 
> she knows I like them so much. Sorry for the length of post but I’m excited!
>
>
> Unloaded and loaded (projected) attached?
>
>
> Bill
>

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[RBW] Re: GDMBR with Adventure Cycling

[tc]

Really love the Atlantis, Bill ... doing what it was made to do, eh?!  
Looking forward to hearing all about the trip!

Tom

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