[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters on Shimano barend pods

[Bones]

Thanks for the input. I’ve never used either much, and I’ve been riding single 
speed an awful lot the past few years, so I think I’d lean toward downtube 
shifting for the simplicity of it.

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters on Shimano barend pods

[lambbo]

Bones, I just took the front bar-end silver shifter off the bar (Shimano) 
and put it on the down tube, where the front shifter already was...it 
honestly feels like it shifts better, for whatever reason, and it's just so 
nice on the Roadini to have the bars less messy.  My vote is downtube!

On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 12:04:21 PM UTC-4, Bones wrote:
>
> Semi-related: anyone have any luck mounting the new silver 2 shifters to a 
> quill stem shifter mount? When I called Riv they weren’t sure, I guess they 
> haven’t tried that yet. They mentioned that the older silver shifters work 
> fine that way though. I’m contemplating doing downtube shifters or quill 
> mount on my new Roadini when it comes in...
>
> On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 6:52:01 PM UTC-4, Mike Blackwell wrote:
>>
>> I'm replacing the worn out circa ~2000 Shimano barend shifters (DuraAce I 
>> think) on my Redwood with Silver 2's. I was thinking I could keep the 
>> Shimano bar pods and just swap out the shifters, but now I'm not sure sure. 
>> I've attached a picture of what I have (Silver 2 on top, Shimano on bottom).
>>
>> Looking at just the left side - the Silver 2 comes with a smaller normal 
>> flat washer and a larger flat washer with a square hole and a tab sticking 
>> out. The old Shimano shifter has a spacer with some intricate internal 
>> structure.
>>
>> To get the spacing right, so the Silver 2 shifter cable exit aligns with 
>> the bar pod cable retainer it seems like I need to use the Shimano spacer. 
>> The big Silver 2 washer (with square hole and tab) doesn't seem to fit 
>> anywhere, I assume that's just for the Silver 2 pod. Not sure if I need the 
>> smaller Silver 2 washer, but it seems like I might to keep the pressure 
>> across the shifter face even.
>>
>> The internal structure of the Shimano spacer seems to be the biggest 
>> problem - it prevents things from nesting together the way it ought to (I 
>> think). Maybe I need to remove some of that internal material?
>>
>> So - before I start irreversibly filing and Dremelling - am I on the 
>> right track here? If anyone's done a similar swapout I'd love to hear about 
>> it!
>>
>> Thanks!  Mike Blackwell
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters on Shimano barend pods

[Bones]

Cool thanks Bill.

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters on Shimano barend pods

[Joe Bernard]

Mike: Yeah, it didn't look right to me when I first tried to put it all 
together, either. I didn't find a washer for you but I'm glad I could steer you 
in the right direction. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters on Shimano barend pods

[Bill Lindsay]

I run XO shifters on the IRD quill stem mount.  They work just fine.

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 9:04:21 AM UTC-7, Bones wrote:
>
> Semi-related: anyone have any luck mounting the new silver 2 shifters to a 
> quill stem shifter mount? When I called Riv they weren’t sure, I guess they 
> haven’t tried that yet. They mentioned that the older silver shifters work 
> fine that way though. I’m contemplating doing downtube shifters or quill 
> mount on my new Roadini when it comes in...
>
> On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 6:52:01 PM UTC-4, Mike Blackwell wrote:
>>
>> I'm replacing the worn out circa ~2000 Shimano barend shifters (DuraAce I 
>> think) on my Redwood with Silver 2's. I was thinking I could keep the 
>> Shimano bar pods and just swap out the shifters, but now I'm not sure sure. 
>> I've attached a picture of what I have (Silver 2 on top, Shimano on bottom).
>>
>> Looking at just the left side - the Silver 2 comes with a smaller normal 
>> flat washer and a larger flat washer with a square hole and a tab sticking 
>> out. The old Shimano shifter has a spacer with some intricate internal 
>> structure.
>>
>> To get the spacing right, so the Silver 2 shifter cable exit aligns with 
>> the bar pod cable retainer it seems like I need to use the Shimano spacer. 
>> The big Silver 2 washer (with square hole and tab) doesn't seem to fit 
>> anywhere, I assume that's just for the Silver 2 pod. Not sure if I need the 
>> smaller Silver 2 washer, but it seems like I might to keep the pressure 
>> across the shifter face even.
>>
>> The internal structure of the Shimano spacer seems to be the biggest 
>> problem - it prevents things from nesting together the way it ought to (I 
>> think). Maybe I need to remove some of that internal material?
>>
>> So - before I start irreversibly filing and Dremelling - am I on the 
>> right track here? If anyone's done a similar swapout I'd love to hear about 
>> it!
>>
>> Thanks!  Mike Blackwell
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters on Shimano barend pods

[Bones]

Semi-related: anyone have any luck mounting the new silver 2 shifters to a 
quill stem shifter mount? When I called Riv they weren’t sure, I guess they 
haven’t tried that yet. They mentioned that the older silver shifters work 
fine that way though. I’m contemplating doing downtube shifters or quill 
mount on my new Roadini when it comes in...

On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 6:52:01 PM UTC-4, Mike Blackwell wrote:
>
> I'm replacing the worn out circa ~2000 Shimano barend shifters (DuraAce I 
> think) on my Redwood with Silver 2's. I was thinking I could keep the 
> Shimano bar pods and just swap out the shifters, but now I'm not sure sure. 
> I've attached a picture of what I have (Silver 2 on top, Shimano on bottom).
>
> Looking at just the left side - the Silver 2 comes with a smaller normal 
> flat washer and a larger flat washer with a square hole and a tab sticking 
> out. The old Shimano shifter has a spacer with some intricate internal 
> structure.
>
> To get the spacing right, so the Silver 2 shifter cable exit aligns with 
> the bar pod cable retainer it seems like I need to use the Shimano spacer. 
> The big Silver 2 washer (with square hole and tab) doesn't seem to fit 
> anywhere, I assume that's just for the Silver 2 pod. Not sure if I need the 
> smaller Silver 2 washer, but it seems like I might to keep the pressure 
> across the shifter face even.
>
> The internal structure of the Shimano spacer seems to be the biggest 
> problem - it prevents things from nesting together the way it ought to (I 
> think). Maybe I need to remove some of that internal material?
>
> So - before I start irreversibly filing and Dremelling - am I on the right 
> track here? If anyone's done a similar swapout I'd love to hear about it!
>
> Thanks!  Mike Blackwell
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters on Shimano barend pods

[Mike Blackwell]

Thank you Joe, that is exactly the information I needed. Besides the tab 
not fitting anywhere I thought the big washer was too thin and just set it 
aside, but now I see that is not the case. I think I should be able to cut 
and file the tab off pretty cleanly, and will be all set. If that doesn't 
work I'll give RBW a call, now that I know what I'm looking for.

Ride on!  Mike


On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 7:48:32 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Here's what you need to make that work. The big round washer with the big 
> square hole but no tab, then the small metal washer. This shifter slides on 
> next, then the plastic washer, then the metal cover (looks like a hubcap) 
> then the bolt. 
>
> What you're missing is the big washer without a tab, it came with the 
> bar-end pod I ordered from Riv. I think you can get them separately from 
> them. 
>
> On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 3:52:01 PM UTC-7, Mike Blackwell wrote: 
> > I'm replacing the worn out circa ~2000 Shimano barend shifters (DuraAce 
> I think) on my Redwood with Silver 2's. I was thinking I could keep the 
> Shimano bar pods and just swap out the shifters, but now I'm not sure sure. 
> I've attached a picture of what I have (Silver 2 on top, Shimano on 
> bottom). 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Looking at just the left side - the Silver 2 comes with a smaller normal 
> flat washer and a larger flat washer with a square hole and a tab sticking 
> out. The old Shimano shifter has a spacer with some intricate internal 
> structure. 
> > 
> > 
> > To get the spacing right, so the Silver 2 shifter cable exit aligns with 
> the bar pod cable retainer it seems like I need to use the Shimano spacer. 
> The big Silver 2 washer (with square hole and tab) doesn't seem to fit 
> anywhere, I assume that's just for the Silver 2 pod. Not sure if I need the 
> smaller Silver 2 washer, but it seems like I might to keep the pressure 
> across the shifter face even. 
> > 
> > 
> > The internal structure of the Shimano spacer seems to be the biggest 
> problem - it prevents things from nesting together the way it ought to (I 
> think). Maybe I need to remove some of that internal material? 
> > 
> > 
> > So - before I start irreversibly filing and Dremelling - am I on the 
> right track here? If anyone's done a similar swapout I'd love to hear about 
> it! 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks!  Mike Blackwell 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 Shifters - Install Question

[Huston]

Thanks Bill.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[R. Alexis]

Yes, I am still here. You probably remember me from the back and forth on 
my Rivendell Mountain and some of the possible changes in the build I was 
requesting or from sending you a box of Shimano down tube shifters. Still 
keeping up on things. Look forward to the final product that is the 
referenced Silver V.2 shifter.

Reginald "Frictiion Shifting Vet" Alexis

On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 7:20:05 PM UTC-6, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> Reginald! You're still around! I associate you with my garage and holding 
> my then toddler old Anna like a football when trying to work...that was 
> your era. Thanks for hanging in!
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:37 PM, R. Alexis  > wrote:
>
>> Those shifters look nice. Look forward to seeing how the final product 
>> will look. I will definitely get a couple sets. I would get the current 
>> Silver V.1 shifters, but It has just been within the last couple years that 
>> I mounted the Suntour Sprint, shifters on my Schwinn Voyageur so I don't 
>> see a need at the moment to stock up. I got those way back just before 
>> Rivendell got some and started offering them when I worked at a local bike 
>> shop. I have been mulling over the idea of rebuilding my Rivendell Mountain 
>> with a set of S.O.S. (Silver on Soma) thumb shifters along with Phil Wood 
>> Rivy hubs etc, but I a hesitant to redo the Suntour XC-Pro, Wilderness 
>> Trail Bikes build on it already. May be a new Rivendell build out is in 
>> order. 
>>
>> Reginald Alexis
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 1:08:31 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.  
>>> One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
>>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
>>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
>>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
>>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
>>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
>>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
>>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
>>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
>>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
>>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>>>
>>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Grant Petersen]

Reginald! You're still around! I associate you with my garage and holding
my then toddler old Anna like a football when trying to work...that was
your era. Thanks for hanging in!

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:37 PM, R. Alexis  wrote:

> Those shifters look nice. Look forward to seeing how the final product
> will look. I will definitely get a couple sets. I would get the current
> Silver V.1 shifters, but It has just been within the last couple years that
> I mounted the Suntour Sprint, shifters on my Schwinn Voyageur so I don't
> see a need at the moment to stock up. I got those way back just before
> Rivendell got some and started offering them when I worked at a local bike
> shop. I have been mulling over the idea of rebuilding my Rivendell Mountain
> with a set of S.O.S. (Silver on Soma) thumb shifters along with Phil Wood
> Rivy hubs etc, but I a hesitant to redo the Suntour XC-Pro, Wilderness
> Trail Bikes build on it already. May be a new Rivendell build out is in
> order.
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 1:08:31 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.
>> One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be
>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2
>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon
>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to
>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep
>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a
>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When
>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early
>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to
>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on
>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.
>>
>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[R. Alexis]

Those shifters look nice. Look forward to seeing how the final product will 
look. I will definitely get a couple sets. I would get the current Silver 
V.1 shifters, but It has just been within the last couple years that I 
mounted the Suntour Sprint, shifters on my Schwinn Voyageur so I don't see 
a need at the moment to stock up. I got those way back just before 
Rivendell got some and started offering them when I worked at a local bike 
shop. I have been mulling over the idea of rebuilding my Rivendell Mountain 
with a set of S.O.S. (Silver on Soma) thumb shifters along with Phil Wood 
Rivy hubs etc, but I a hesitant to redo the Suntour XC-Pro, Wilderness 
Trail Bikes build on it already. May be a new Rivendell build out is in 
order. 

Reginald Alexis

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 1:08:31 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>
> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

Rivendell does not have me on commission, but trust that they are way nicer 
to me than I deserve. 


On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 3:43:35 PM UTC-8, WETH wrote:
>
> Lindsaysorry Bill

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[WETH]

Lindsaysorry Bill

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[WETH]

I, too, think I signed up and have received no update, so you are not alone.  I 
also just bought a pair of the original  Silver Shifters.  I think Bill Lindsey 
should get a commission! ;). I look forward to learning first hand what the 
fuss is about.

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[dougP]

Same here.  I assume when there's news we'll hear about it.  Grant did 
mention that delivery was a ways off.  

dougP

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 10:04:29 AM UTC-8, Pondero wrote:
>
> I think I signed up properly for the email updates. But I haven't received 
> any updates yet, so I'm not sure. I don't want to miss any news, and I want 
> to make sure to get at least one pair from the initial release. Just as a 
> check, has anyone else received email updates?
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Pondero]

I think I signed up properly for the email updates. But I haven't received 
any updates yet, so I'm not sure. I don't want to miss any news, and I want 
to make sure to get at least one pair from the initial release. Just as a 
check, has anyone else received email updates?

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Grant Petersen]

The pricing of Silver parts and kits is "non-strategic" and is supposed to
be person-friendly, so you don't feel like a bad money-manger for buying
components separately. A critic could see the whole shebang price as not
offering any discount, but we go at it from the other way. It's hard to
apply the same coat of paint to all items and circumstances--like, we
often-especially-these-days try to offer early-buyer prices, or "faith
buyer" prices to those who pay for bikes or frames before then arrive. That
pricing is driven entirely by my wanting my wife, who pays bills, to have a
less miserable existence.In the early years I was fouling up the books
myself, and that, combined with a brand new baby was some incentive to drop
out of her job as assistant head of a school (which had tons of
future-promise) and stay home, watch baby, do RBW books).
But she hates it and works uncomplainingly and fails to hide her stress at
crunch time. That leads to early-pay discounts and less guilt for me and
less stress for her.
It all works out! Except that RBW derailed her from what would have been a
more satisfying life...alas, and boo on me for that.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> Bill is right.
>
> That is what happened when I order the kit.  The shifters and pods were
> added to the kit list but they all had zero dollars, except the kit. I get
> mine Monday.
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Not exactly true.  You do need a different shifter washer thingy for
>> bar-end setup vs downtube setup, but when you buy the kit, you get BOTH.
>> Put item #17089 in your basket and you will see what I mean.  When you buy
>> the bar-end KIT in your basket, all it does it put a set of downtube
>> shifters in your basket (which has the right washer thingy for downtube)
>> and it puts a set of bar end pods in your basket (which has the right
>> washer thingy for bar-end setup).  You can use them either way and you have
>> a set of extra washer thingies for setting them up the other way later.
>>
>> If you bought a complete bike with barend shifters and want to move them
>> to downtube, then you'll need to go buy the right washer thingies.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 1:03:50 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>>
>>> If you buy the bar end kit you should buy the "little travel stop
>>> washer thingy " to go along with it for downtube use. Riv sells that
>>> piece separately. It is round with a tab that stick out and a square
>>> hole that fits over your frame boss.
>>>
>>> On 11/4/16, masmojo  wrote:
>>> > A few things:
>>> > First, yes the bar end Silver Shifters are basically the same thing as
>>> the
>>> > downtube shifters, with the bar end pods. But,it should be noted that,
>>> the
>>> > bar end pod replaces the little travel stop washer thingy that cones
>>> with
>>> > the Silver Shifters when ordered in the downtube configuration. So
>>> it's the
>>> > same, just different.
>>> > You could use the silvers on a 10 speed cluster, if you have a
>>> suitable
>>> > derailleur, but you might want to use something like the Wolftooth
>>> Tanpan to
>>> > handle the needed additional cable travel. I personally just used the
>>> new
>>> > Dia-Compe 11s shifter that VO is selling, downtube & shifts smooth as
>>> butter
>>> > with the XTR derailleur.
>>> > I have the SS1s on my Drakkar & I love'em, but they do stick out
>>> rather a
>>> > lot when mounted on bar pods and I have nastily poked people (not on
>>> > purpose) with them while riding the train. I  welcome the new
>>>  compacty,
>>> > ergoness!
>>> >
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[lum gim fong]

I have used them as DT, Noodle,  Alba, and Moustache bar ends. They are 
fantastic shifters and so good looking.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Paul Clifton]

Thanks for the details Bill, Lee, Dave and masmojo. I picked up the kit. 
Looking forward to some smooth shifting.

Paul in ATL

On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 4:42:08 PM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> Bill is right.
>  
> That is what happened when I order the kit.  The shifters and pods were 
> added to the kit list but they all had zero dollars, except the kit. I get 
> mine Monday.
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Not exactly true.  You do need a different shifter washer thingy for 
>> bar-end setup vs downtube setup, but when you buy the kit, you get BOTH.  
>> Put item #17089 in your basket and you will see what I mean.  When you buy 
>> the bar-end KIT in your basket, all it does it put a set of downtube 
>> shifters in your basket (which has the right washer thingy for downtube) 
>> and it puts a set of bar end pods in your basket (which has the right 
>> washer thingy for bar-end setup).  You can use them either way and you have 
>> a set of extra washer thingies for setting them up the other way later.  
>>
>> If you bought a complete bike with barend shifters and want to move them 
>> to downtube, then you'll need to go buy the right washer thingies.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 1:03:50 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>>
>>> If you buy the bar end kit you should buy the "little travel stop 
>>> washer thingy " to go along with it for downtube use. Riv sells that 
>>> piece separately. It is round with a tab that stick out and a square 
>>> hole that fits over your frame boss. 
>>>
>>> On 11/4/16, masmojo  wrote: 
>>> > A few things: 
>>> > First, yes the bar end Silver Shifters are basically the same thing as 
>>> the 
>>> > downtube shifters, with the bar end pods. But,it should be noted that, 
>>> the 
>>> > bar end pod replaces the little travel stop washer thingy that cones 
>>> with 
>>> > the Silver Shifters when ordered in the downtube configuration. So 
>>> it's the 
>>> > same, just different. 
>>> > You could use the silvers on a 10 speed cluster, if you have a 
>>> suitable 
>>> > derailleur, but you might want to use something like the Wolftooth 
>>> Tanpan to 
>>> > handle the needed additional cable travel. I personally just used the 
>>> new 
>>> > Dia-Compe 11s shifter that VO is selling, downtube & shifts smooth as 
>>> butter 
>>> > with the XTR derailleur. 
>>> > I have the SS1s on my Drakkar & I love'em, but they do stick out 
>>> rather a 
>>> > lot when mounted on bar pods and I have nastily poked people (not on 
>>> > purpose) with them while riding the train. I  welcome the new 
>>>  compacty, 
>>> > ergoness! 
>>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[masmojo]

Cool

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Lee Legrand]

Bill is right.

That is what happened when I order the kit.  The shifters and pods were
added to the kit list but they all had zero dollars, except the kit. I get
mine Monday.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Not exactly true.  You do need a different shifter washer thingy for
> bar-end setup vs downtube setup, but when you buy the kit, you get BOTH.
> Put item #17089 in your basket and you will see what I mean.  When you buy
> the bar-end KIT in your basket, all it does it put a set of downtube
> shifters in your basket (which has the right washer thingy for downtube)
> and it puts a set of bar end pods in your basket (which has the right
> washer thingy for bar-end setup).  You can use them either way and you have
> a set of extra washer thingies for setting them up the other way later.
>
> If you bought a complete bike with barend shifters and want to move them
> to downtube, then you'll need to go buy the right washer thingies.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 1:03:50 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>
>> If you buy the bar end kit you should buy the "little travel stop
>> washer thingy " to go along with it for downtube use. Riv sells that
>> piece separately. It is round with a tab that stick out and a square
>> hole that fits over your frame boss.
>>
>> On 11/4/16, masmojo  wrote:
>> > A few things:
>> > First, yes the bar end Silver Shifters are basically the same thing as
>> the
>> > downtube shifters, with the bar end pods. But,it should be noted that,
>> the
>> > bar end pod replaces the little travel stop washer thingy that cones
>> with
>> > the Silver Shifters when ordered in the downtube configuration. So it's
>> the
>> > same, just different.
>> > You could use the silvers on a 10 speed cluster, if you have a suitable
>> > derailleur, but you might want to use something like the Wolftooth
>> Tanpan to
>> > handle the needed additional cable travel. I personally just used the
>> new
>> > Dia-Compe 11s shifter that VO is selling, downtube & shifts smooth as
>> butter
>> > with the XTR derailleur.
>> > I have the SS1s on my Drakkar & I love'em, but they do stick out rather
>> a
>> > lot when mounted on bar pods and I have nastily poked people (not on
>> > purpose) with them while riding the train. I  welcome the new
>>  compacty,
>> > ergoness!
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

Dave,

Not exactly true.  You do need a different shifter washer thingy for 
bar-end setup vs downtube setup, but when you buy the kit, you get BOTH. 
 Put item #17089 in your basket and you will see what I mean.  When you buy 
the bar-end KIT in your basket, all it does it put a set of downtube 
shifters in your basket (which has the right washer thingy for downtube) 
and it puts a set of bar end pods in your basket (which has the right 
washer thingy for bar-end setup).  You can use them either way and you have 
a set of extra washer thingies for setting them up the other way later.  

If you bought a complete bike with barend shifters and want to move them to 
downtube, then you'll need to go buy the right washer thingies.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 1:03:50 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> If you buy the bar end kit you should buy the "little travel stop 
> washer thingy " to go along with it for downtube use. Riv sells that 
> piece separately. It is round with a tab that stick out and a square 
> hole that fits over your frame boss. 
>
> On 11/4/16, masmojo  wrote: 
> > A few things: 
> > First, yes the bar end Silver Shifters are basically the same thing as 
> the 
> > downtube shifters, with the bar end pods. But,it should be noted that, 
> the 
> > bar end pod replaces the little travel stop washer thingy that cones 
> with 
> > the Silver Shifters when ordered in the downtube configuration. So it's 
> the 
> > same, just different. 
> > You could use the silvers on a 10 speed cluster, if you have a suitable 
> > derailleur, but you might want to use something like the Wolftooth 
> Tanpan to 
> > handle the needed additional cable travel. I personally just used the 
> new 
> > Dia-Compe 11s shifter that VO is selling, downtube & shifts smooth as 
> butter 
> > with the XTR derailleur. 
> > I have the SS1s on my Drakkar & I love'em, but they do stick out rather 
> a 
> > lot when mounted on bar pods and I have nastily poked people (not on 
> > purpose) with them while riding the train. I  welcome the new  compacty, 
> > ergoness! 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[David Johnston]

If you buy the bar end kit you should buy the "little travel stop
washer thingy " to go along with it for downtube use. Riv sells that
piece separately. It is round with a tab that stick out and a square
hole that fits over your frame boss.

On 11/4/16, masmojo  wrote:
> A few things:
> First, yes the bar end Silver Shifters are basically the same thing as the
> downtube shifters, with the bar end pods. But,it should be noted that, the
> bar end pod replaces the little travel stop washer thingy that cones with
> the Silver Shifters when ordered in the downtube configuration. So it's the
> same, just different.
> You could use the silvers on a 10 speed cluster, if you have a suitable
> derailleur, but you might want to use something like the Wolftooth Tanpan to
> handle the needed additional cable travel. I personally just used the new
> Dia-Compe 11s shifter that VO is selling, downtube & shifts smooth as butter
> with the XTR derailleur.
> I have the SS1s on my Drakkar & I love'em, but they do stick out rather a
> lot when mounted on bar pods and I have nastily poked people (not on
> purpose) with them while riding the train. I  welcome the new  compacty,
> ergoness!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[masmojo]

A few things:
First, yes the bar end Silver Shifters are basically the same thing as the 
downtube shifters, with the bar end pods. But,it should be noted that, the bar 
end pod replaces the little travel stop washer thingy that cones with the 
Silver Shifters when ordered in the downtube configuration. So it's the same, 
just different.
You could use the silvers on a 10 speed cluster, if you have a suitable 
derailleur, but you might want to use something like the Wolftooth Tanpan to 
handle the needed additional cable travel. I personally just used the new 
Dia-Compe 11s shifter that VO is selling, downtube & shifts smooth as butter 
with the XTR derailleur.
I have the SS1s on my Drakkar & I love'em, but they do stick out rather a lot 
when mounted on bar pods and I have nastily poked people (not on purpose) with 
them while riding the train. I  welcome the new  compacty, ergoness!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes.  When you buy the bar end kit, you get a set of downtube shifters and 
a set of bar end pods.  

Note that the downtube shifters are $46, and the bar end pod are $38. 
 $46+$38 = $84, and the bar end kit is $84.  It's the same parts.  

On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 11:03:20 AM UTC-7, Paul Clifton wrote:
>
> Can anyone confirm that if I buy the barend kit, I can still install the 
> levers on the downtube if I wanted?
>
> I think I read something like that at some point, but can't find it again 
> to confirm.
>
> I've got downtube bosses on my bikes already but might need to dig up a 
> cable stops for one of them.
>
> Paul in ATL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Paul Clifton]

Can anyone confirm that if I buy the barend kit, I can still install the 
levers on the downtube if I wanted?

I think I read something like that at some point, but can't find it again 
to confirm.

I've got downtube bosses on my bikes already but might need to dig up a 
cable stops for one of them.

Paul in ATL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Patrick Moore]

It must be the salt; mine are still as new-looking after 2+ years (dry
desert climate).

Patrick Moore, in ABQ, NM where it is raining this morning.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:44 AM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> These shifters are great. The only downside I have experienced is that
> after two years the finish is starting to get a little pockmarked with
> corrosion. I feel like that's a little early for that to be
> happening.however I do ride on dry salted winter roads sometimes during the
> winter. Maybe that has something to do with it.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[lum gim fong]

These shifters are great. The only downside I have experienced is that after 
two years the finish is starting to get a little pockmarked with corrosion. I 
feel like that's a little early for that to be happening.however I do ride on 
dry salted winter roads sometimes during the winter. Maybe that has something 
to do with it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Lee Legrand]

I just ordered a pair.  I probably got the last one.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Edwin W  wrote:

> They are just so durned good looking I am trying to figure out where I
> could put them! Ornamentation!
> Might try a single stem shifter on my 1x8 Appaloosa.
>
> Bill (and anyone else): What are good options for mounting a single one on
> a nitto stem?
>
>
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>>
>> On October 28th, there were 73 pairs of Silver 1 shifters remaining.  Now
>> there are 64.  At a sell-rate of about 10 per week, they'll be gone by
>> Christmas.
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Edwin W]

They are just so durned good looking I am trying to figure out where I 
could put them! Ornamentation!
Might try a single stem shifter on my 1x8 Appaloosa.

Bill (and anyone else): What are good options for mounting a single one on 
a nitto stem?

On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 3:20:42 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> On October 28th, there were 73 pairs of Silver 1 shifters remaining.  Now 
> there are 64.  At a sell-rate of about 10 per week, they'll be gone by 
> Christmas.  
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

On October 28th, there were 73 pairs of Silver 1 shifters remaining.  Now 
there are 64.  At a sell-rate of about 10 per week, they'll be gone by 
Christmas.  


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RE: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[olofstroh]

The Silver Bullet lever - always finds the right gear.

Pardon

Olof Stroh
Uppsala Sweden

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Elect your next cog with the amazing "Silver Ballot Lever"!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

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Elect your next cog with the amazing "Silver Ballot Lever"!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[lum gim fong]

Silver Ballot Lever?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[lum gim fong]

Silver Bindlestiff's Toothpick.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[lum gim fong]

1. Since RBW is into calling their bikes . " hobo bikes". How about calling the 
shifter  "___'s toothpick"?
Name your favorite hobo in the blank space.

2. 
Since RBW is into calling their bikes . " Country bikes". How about calling the 
shifter  "___'s toothpick"?
Use your favorite Southern USA sounding name or nickname in the blank. 
Earleigh, or Elmer, or Rosco, or Skeeter, etc.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Patrick Moore]

I use them on bumpy dirt roads over a home-made (ie, ignore the ramps; it's
a 15-30)) 9 speed cassette, and they are wonderful -- better than the old
Power Ratchets, IME.

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> Hey Bill,
>
> Does the silver shifters work on a 9 speed cog cassette?  I have heard
> that 9 speed change using a friction shifter is too much.  What are your
> thoughts?
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Yes that looks like the Silver 1.  Riv got told that the casting mold was
>> worn out, and so Riv would have to buy a new one.  That's why Riv designed
>> the Silver2 THIMBLE.  If the manufacturer was telling the truth and the
>> mold really is used up, then presumably the Silver1 shifters will start to
>> get more and more scarce.  Rivendell is down to 73 pairs of Silver1's, so
>> you still have time.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 4:14:14 PM UTC-7, Scott McLain wrote:
>>>
>>> Is this the same thing as the Silver 1?  Gotta love the Silver 1.  I
>>> might have to get an extra couple if they are going out of production all
>>> together.  Maybe Dia-Compe will keep it going?
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.
 One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be
 going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2
 looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon
 shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to
 me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep
 putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a
 pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When
 the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early
 adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to
 make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on
 the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.

 Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

I agree with Reed. Silver downtube shifters are great with 9 speed.  That 
doesn't guarantee you will love them. I find operating a downtube shifter is 
about as hard as tying ones shoes. It's pretty easy. Some people run Velcro 
shoes anyway and some people insist on index. I know how to tie my shoes. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Reed Kennedy]

Hey Lee,

I (and many others here) run friction with these shifters and nine speeds
with great aplomb. In fact, I have a set on a bike with a ten speed
cassette and it seems to work even *better* there!

More on that if you're curious:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/iL_kdYL-AWM

But yeah, I wouldn't worry one bit about using them for 9 speed.


Reed

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> Hey Bill,
>
> Does the silver shifters work on a 9 speed cog cassette?  I have heard
> that 9 speed change using a friction shifter is too much.  What are your
> thoughts?
>
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Yes that looks like the Silver 1.  Riv got told that the casting mold was
>> worn out, and so Riv would have to buy a new one.  That's why Riv designed
>> the Silver2 THIMBLE.  If the manufacturer was telling the truth and the
>> mold really is used up, then presumably the Silver1 shifters will start to
>> get more and more scarce.  Rivendell is down to 73 pairs of Silver1's, so
>> you still have time.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 4:14:14 PM UTC-7, Scott McLain wrote:
>>>
>>> Is this the same thing as the Silver 1?  Gotta love the Silver 1.  I
>>> might have to get an extra couple if they are going out of production all
>>> together.  Maybe Dia-Compe will keep it going?
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.
 One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be
 going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2
 looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon
 shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to
 me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep
 putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a
 pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When
 the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early
 adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to
 make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on
 the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.

 Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Lee Legrand]

Hey Bill,

Does the silver shifters work on a 9 speed cog cassette?  I have heard that
9 speed change using a friction shifter is too much.  What are your
thoughts?

On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Yes that looks like the Silver 1.  Riv got told that the casting mold was
> worn out, and so Riv would have to buy a new one.  That's why Riv designed
> the Silver2 THIMBLE.  If the manufacturer was telling the truth and the
> mold really is used up, then presumably the Silver1 shifters will start to
> get more and more scarce.  Rivendell is down to 73 pairs of Silver1's, so
> you still have time.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 4:14:14 PM UTC-7, Scott McLain wrote:
>>
>> Is this the same thing as the Silver 1?  Gotta love the Silver 1.  I
>> might have to get an extra couple if they are going out of production all
>> together.  Maybe Dia-Compe will keep it going?
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.
>>> One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be
>>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2
>>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon
>>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to
>>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep
>>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a
>>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When
>>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early
>>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to
>>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on
>>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.
>>>
>>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes that looks like the Silver 1.  Riv got told that the casting mold was 
worn out, and so Riv would have to buy a new one.  That's why Riv designed 
the Silver2 THIMBLE.  If the manufacturer was telling the truth and the 
mold really is used up, then presumably the Silver1 shifters will start to 
get more and more scarce.  Rivendell is down to 73 pairs of Silver1's, so 
you still have time. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 4:14:14 PM UTC-7, Scott McLain wrote:
>
> Is this the same thing as the Silver 1?  Gotta love the Silver 1.  I might 
> have to get an extra couple if they are going out of production all 
> together.  Maybe Dia-Compe will keep it going?
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>>
>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Scott McLain]

Is this the same thing as the Silver 1?  Gotta love the Silver 1.  I might 
have to get an extra couple if they are going out of production all 
together.  Maybe Dia-Compe will keep it going?





On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>
> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Lungimsam]

RBW's laughing at yas! Gamin' on yas!





On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>
> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Patrick Moore]

Oh modern earnestness! It took me in.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:

> The Pantaloon screwhead was...not serious. I'd never even heard about it
> until I googled "unusual screw heads" or something like that. D-ring and
> slot, and the slot is sized for a dime.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Patrick Moore]

My Silvers Version 1 (mounted on bar end pods) do loosen, as do so many
other shifters I've used including the archetypal Power  . Me, I used Blue
Loctite and button head allen screws, and put the D ring screws in my bin
of small spare parts.

OTOH, my Simplex Retrofictions -- very fine ratchets -- did not loosen once
tightened (and they shifted 10 very well, albeit with a lot of lever
travel).

IIRC, the Power Ratchets, at least the versions I've used, had coarser
detentes than the Silvers or the Retrofictions -- isn't that right? I do
like the fine tuning of the Silvers (as bar end shifters, I find them very
good even off road in bumpy terrain) but I don't recall the PRs being
problematical shifting 9 on dirt, either.

What I absolutely need is Silver V 1.0s to shift my S3X hubs. Mounted to
seat tube of course -- where else, for heaven's sake? (As I told someone,
shifting there looks like you are scratching yourself, but it's a good
place to mount the shifting bits when you want an easy on-and-off cable
routing to the hub.)



On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 7:33 AM, Garth  wrote:

>   Either the shifter stays put or it does not.  If the chain is really off
> a bit you can hear it, but a good shifter should still not autoshift easily
> , a not as good shifter apparently, will.
>
> I have not seen the ratchet inside of a Silver shifter to compare with the
> ST DT version.  As I mentioned earlier, the ST DT version's ratchet is
> about 16.5mm in diameter and the ST Power ratchet thumb version is 20mm,
> but the teeth are notably bigger, more bite to them*.* I don't get
> autoshifts with my ST thumbies and never did with the ST bar end shifters
> either. I found even the ST DT shifters did not seem to hold as well as the
> bar end and thumbie.  Do the bigger teeth and a bigger ratchet mean it hold
> better ?  Apparently yes.
>
> I was hoping the new Silver 2 shifters would use the larger ratchet but it
> seems like a continuation of the original .  I understand why and all that
>  I'd love to see them just like the original though and no, perfection
> as no enemy :)  And no weird pentawhatever screw on top for goodnees sake !!
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 12:13:14 AM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> I love my Silver Shifters.
>> But an LBS says the ratchet ain't strong enough and they autoshift too
>> much. Says the originals they are based on ( I think those are the ones )
>> stay put better. I might try them sometime.
>> I do get some autoshifts, but cannot say exactly why, thought I think it
>> is mostly operator error.
>>
>> Anyway. I have two pair of the Silver barends and one dt. Interested in
>> trying originals or seeing whatelse gets developed next. Though I can see
>> myself maybe thinking about  getting another backup set if I get more bike
>> money maybe from selling new 700c Compass tires and new 700c LX/A23
>> wheelset  here soon.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Garth]

  Ahahaahahahhaha !!!   thanks for the laughs Grant ! 
  
 Yeah, that woud be right there with a diagascrew or a bombahead , the list 
of odd screws, real or not could be endless   .  . . . .  ahahahahahaaha 
!!! 

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> The Pantaloon screwhead was...not serious. I'd never even heard about it 
> until I googled "unusual screw heads" or something like that. D-ring and 
> slot, and the slot is sized for a dime.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Julian]

Phew!  Existential crisis averted. :) 

The virtual communication problem of no facial/voice cues making humor hard 
to spot strikes again! 

Julian Westerhout
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On Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 11:28:55 AM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> The Pantaloon screwhead was...not serious. I'd never even heard about it 
> until I googled "unusual screw heads" or something like that. D-ring and 
> slot, and the slot is sized for a dime.
>
> On Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 6:08:28 AM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>
>> Pentelope? Does that mean I can't tighten without a special tool if it 
>> loosens on the road? That would be a bad idea. Cyclists have been 
>> using the slot and D-ring for decades with no major confusion. 
>>
>> -Dave 
>>
>> On 10/23/16, Grant Petersen  wrote: 
>> > This is an early version of the tightener screw. I'm not sure I like 
>> the 
>> > options it provides--rather confusing. The current one has a pentalobe 
>> head 
>> > (google it until we get the newer version up there). 
>> > 
>> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Lungimsam  wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> I hope they keep the D rings. So convenient for on the bike 
>> tightening!! 
>> >> No screwdriver necessary!!! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Grant @ Rivendell]

The Pantaloon screwhead was...not serious. I'd never even heard about it 
until I googled "unusual screw heads" or something like that. D-ring and 
slot, and the slot is sized for a dime.

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>
> Pentelope? Does that mean I can't tighten without a special tool if it 
> loosens on the road? That would be a bad idea. Cyclists have been 
> using the slot and D-ring for decades with no major confusion. 
>
> -Dave 
>
> On 10/23/16, Grant Petersen  wrote: 
> > This is an early version of the tightener screw. I'm not sure I like the 
> > options it provides--rather confusing. The current one has a pentalobe 
> head 
> > (google it until we get the newer version up there). 
> > 
> > On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Lungimsam  > wrote: 
> > 
> >> I hope they keep the D rings. So convenient for on the bike 
> tightening!! 
> >> No screwdriver necessary!!! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Garth]

  Either the shifter stays put or it does not.  If the chain is really off 
a bit you can hear it, but a good shifter should still not autoshift easily 
, a not as good shifter apparently, will. 

I have not seen the ratchet inside of a Silver shifter to compare with the 
ST DT version.  As I mentioned earlier, the ST DT version's ratchet is 
about 16.5mm in diameter and the ST Power ratchet thumb version is 20mm, 
but the teeth are notably bigger, more bite to them*.* I don't get 
autoshifts with my ST thumbies and never did with the ST bar end shifters 
either. I found even the ST DT shifters did not seem to hold as well as the 
bar end and thumbie.  Do the bigger teeth and a bigger ratchet mean it hold 
better ?  Apparently yes.   

I was hoping the new Silver 2 shifters would use the larger ratchet but it 
seems like a continuation of the original .  I understand why and all that 
 I'd love to see them just like the original though and no, perfection 
as no enemy :)  And no weird pentawhatever screw on top for goodnees sake !!



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>
> I love my Silver Shifters.
> But an LBS says the ratchet ain't strong enough and they autoshift too 
> much. Says the originals they are based on ( I think those are the ones ) 
> stay put better. I might try them sometime.
> I do get some autoshifts, but cannot say exactly why, thought I think it 
> is mostly operator error.
>
> Anyway. I have two pair of the Silver barends and one dt. Interested in 
> trying originals or seeing whatelse gets developed next. Though I can see 
> myself maybe thinking about  getting another backup set if I get more bike 
> money maybe from selling new 700c Compass tires and new 700c LX/A23 
> wheelset  here soon.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Julian]

Grant, 

I'm another voice against the pentalobe idea. No other fastener on the bike 
uses it, it will require a special tool just for the shifter, making 
maintenance a pain - there's not really a reason to do this, other than 
theft, perhaps, and if you're still using a D-ring than that's moot. The 
slot head and D-ring works great -- stick with it -- please! 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

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>
> This is an early version of the tightener screw. I'm not sure I like the 
> options it provides--rather confusing. The current one has a pentalobe head 
> (google it until we get the newer version up there).
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[David Johnston]

Pentelope? Does that mean I can't tighten without a special tool if it
loosens on the road? That would be a bad idea. Cyclists have been
using the slot and D-ring for decades with no major confusion.

-Dave

On 10/23/16, Grant Petersen  wrote:
> This is an early version of the tightener screw. I'm not sure I like the
> options it provides--rather confusing. The current one has a pentalobe head
> (google it until we get the newer version up there).
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:
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>> No screwdriver necessary!!!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Grant Petersen]

This is an early version of the tightener screw. I'm not sure I like the
options it provides--rather confusing. The current one has a pentalobe head
(google it until we get the newer version up there).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Lungimsam]

I hope they keep the D rings. So convenient for on the bike tightening!! No 
screwdriver necessary!!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Lungimsam]

I love my Silver Shifters.
But an LBS says the ratchet ain't strong enough and they autoshift too much. 
Says the originals they are based on ( I think those are the ones ) stay put 
better. I might try them sometime.
I do get some autoshifts, but cannot say exactly why, thought I think it is 
mostly operator error.

Anyway. I have two pair of the Silver barends and one dt. Interested in trying 
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thinking about  getting another backup set if I get more bike money maybe from 
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Wayne Naha]

Well, I am done with downtube shifters.  I have one bike with downtube 
shifters, and that's going to change when these SS2's become available.  
Even back in the day I was never all that enamored of them, and now I just 
can't even deal.  If you love 'em, more power to ya, bro, but they are not 
for me.  To me, downtube shifting only makes sense when riding drop bars in 
the drop position.  Being that I am all upright now, that downtube is just 
outta reach.  Also, I will be swapping the SS2's for the Sunrace shifters 
currently on my Clem.  I'm not for sure they are the problem here, but I'm 
ready to try something new...
 







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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

77 sets left!  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Matt B.]

I wholeheartedly agree with Patrick, downtube shifting has it's place 
despite all the other options out there now.  I prefer DT shifters when 
using drop bars, despite being 6' and riding largish (62-64cm) frames.  I 
like the much simpler cable routing and find that downtube shifting induces 
somewhat more mindful shifting practices, though is by no means 
inconvenient compared to bar ends.  I hope I'm not in the twilight of my 
riding days!  :)

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>
> Don't carry this line of thought too far! Steel, hand-built wheels, wool 
> clothing, friction shifting, leather shoes, fixed drivetrains, lugged 
> frames, -- you can go on and on about technology that one could argue is in 
> its twilight.
>
> There are good reasons for downtube shifters that remain relevant even in 
> a world of electric button shifting, just as there are good reasons for 
> lugs, leather, wool, and 32 spoke wheels. The bike industry is rapidly 
> moving away from just about everything that Rivendell sells.
>
> Patrick Moore, for whom dt shifters are Hi Tek -- coming back from a brief 
> climbing ride on the '99 67'/75" fixie, I youngsters on fixed gear bikes 
> heading for the really steep climbs.
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 6:16 PM, masmojo  > wrote:
>
>> I like the direction Grant's going & I don't think I am wrong in saying 
>> the the bike industry is swiftly moving away from downtube shifters and I 
>> am guessing they are not relevant at all on contemporary bikes. So, then I 
>> am guessing that the majority of people who like the old style are reaching 
>> the Twilight of their riding days,  riding vintage equipment & likely not 
>> looking for new shifters anywaz!
>> If they are as Bill suggested, stock up now! But, honestly power ratchet 
>> shifters are easily had on ebay in a pinch.
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[dougP]

"Would it be a mistake to try and use this shifter for a 10speed rear 
cassette? "

Now that's an interesting question.  My experience with "10 speeds" is 
limited to 2 x 5 drivetrains.  BUT there are people friction shifting 10 
speed cogs, & others not liking friction on 8 or 9.  The ratchet may give 
enough feedback to work with 10.  With the old BarCons that I've used, the 
ratchet gave me decent feedback on "where I was" yet allowed fine 
adjustment.  Hopefully the S2s will be in that general range.  

My 8 speed Ultegras on Paul's thumbies are getting a bit dodgy so I can't 
wait for the S2s.  

dougP

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>
> Even as a long time downtube shifter, I really like what I read about the 
> Silver2.  In fact, I ponder using one or two on my upcoming Bantam 
> AdventureBike. Would it be a mistake to try and use this shifter for a 
> 10speed rear cassette?  If so, I'm going to buy at least one pair anyway. 
> I'll have no problem putting them to good use.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Patrick Moore]

Don't carry this line of thought too far! Steel, hand-built wheels, wool
clothing, friction shifting, leather shoes, fixed drivetrains, lugged
frames, -- you can go on and on about technology that one could argue is in
its twilight.

There are good reasons for downtube shifters that remain relevant even in a
world of electric button shifting, just as there are good reasons for lugs,
leather, wool, and 32 spoke wheels. The bike industry is rapidly moving
away from just about everything that Rivendell sells.

Patrick Moore, for whom dt shifters are Hi Tek -- coming back from a brief
climbing ride on the '99 67'/75" fixie, I youngsters on fixed gear bikes
heading for the really steep climbs.

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> I like the direction Grant's going & I don't think I am wrong in saying
> the the bike industry is swiftly moving away from downtube shifters and I
> am guessing they are not relevant at all on contemporary bikes. So, then I
> am guessing that the majority of people who like the old style are reaching
> the Twilight of their riding days,  riding vintage equipment & likely not
> looking for new shifters anywaz!
> If they are as Bill suggested, stock up now! But, honestly power ratchet
> shifters are easily had on ebay in a pinch.
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[masmojo]

I like the direction Grant's going & I don't think I am wrong in saying the the 
bike industry is swiftly moving away from downtube shifters and I am guessing 
they are not relevant at all on contemporary bikes. So, then I am guessing that 
the majority of people who like the old style are reaching the Twilight of 
their riding days,  riding vintage equipment & likely not looking for new 
shifters anywaz!
If they are as Bill suggested, stock up now! But, honestly power ratchet 
shifters are easily had on ebay in a pinch.

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks!   I have about three boxes of small parts and the one shifter I 
found doesn't have that washer, although I'm sure it's in there somewhere. 
 Other than that, everything is identical to the one posted.  



On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 1:42:14 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
>   Chris, as far as I know 1983 was the(pics below) first year of the ST 
> Power thumb shifters, all said "Suntour Power Thumb Shifter Pat." on the 
> top of the washer.  The top hand screw adjusts the tension. Being a bit 
> stiff of the bike is not an indicator of anything as even brand news are 
> quite stiff.  
>
>
> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Zw7R_DKrWDM/Ua-UV-Pw0nI/BJg/s7738r2RW0M/s1600/gear+shifters+001.jpg
> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/401167925619-0-1/s-l1000.jpg
>
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 1:44:22 PM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> Did Suntour have a thumbshifter in the 83-84 timeframe that doesn't have 
>> the power ratchet or whatever it's called?  I have a set of levers with 
>> "the band" that came off an 83 MTB (that I miss) but I never made the 
>> connection that they might have that mechanism.  
>>
>> They click smoothly in one direction and are a bit stiff in the other 
>> direction.  Does this indicate anything about their condition?  I've been 
>> thinking about pursuing my 26" LHT fantasy and using one of these as a 
>> downtube shifter for the crankset, if these work as downtube shifters.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Garth]

  David,  I have both the original thumbies from 1983 and some later 1985 
XC models, these have a fairing on the mount and the ends are rubber 
coated, very nice !  I also have both the Sprint and Superbe DT ones.   

Interestingly, the thumb ones have a 20mm ratchet inside, the DT ones 
are about 16.5mm.  I always have preferred the thumb shifter feel, not the 
shape but the mechanism feels different to me, maybe because it is larger.  

I was assuming the Silver 2 would use the 20mm ratchet of the original 
w/metal washer on top but it appears to use the smaller DT sized ratchet, 
so that explains the plastic further , it's the same as the current Silver 
shifters.   

   I don't have my ST bar ends anymore, destroyed in a crash and bike taken 
by insurance co. long ago ...  I suspect they too had the larger 20mm 
ratchet and ST used it for the thumbies. Just a guess, someone with a bar 
end could measure theirs if they are curious. 


On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 2:32:07 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> If it clicks, it has a power ratchet. The ratcheting mechanism in the 
> originals is the same as the original bar-ends, which is to say that the 
> Silver 2 shifters will have a more refined ratcheting mechanism than the 
> original Suntour shifters. I can't remember off the top of my head, but 
> there might have a later Suntour thumbshifter version that had the 
> mechanism in it as the Suntour Sprint dt shifters.
> Who's a Suntour expert around here?
> David
> River Grove, IL
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 12:44:22 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>>
>> Did Suntour have a thumbshifter in the 83-84 timeframe that doesn't have 
>> the power ratchet or whatever it's called?  I have a set of levers with 
>> "the band" that came off an 83 MTB (that I miss) but I never made the 
>> connection that they might have that mechanism.  
>>
>> They click smoothly in one direction and are a bit stiff in the other 
>> direction.  Does this indicate anything about their condition?  I've been 
>> thinking about pursuing my 26" LHT fantasy and using one of these as a 
>> downtube shifter for the crankset, if these work as downtube shifters.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 1:08:31 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>>>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
>>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
>>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
>>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
>>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
>>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
>>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
>>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
>>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
>>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
>>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>>>
>>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Garth]

  Chris, as far as I know 1983 was the(pics below) first year of the ST 
Power thumb shifters, all said "Suntour Power Thumb Shifter Pat." on the 
top of the washer.  The top hand screw adjusts the tension. Being a bit 
stiff of the bike is not an indicator of anything as even brand news are 
quite stiff.  

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Zw7R_DKrWDM/Ua-UV-Pw0nI/BJg/s7738r2RW0M/s1600/gear+shifters+001.jpg
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/401167925619-0-1/s-l1000.jpg


On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 1:44:22 PM UTC-4, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Did Suntour have a thumbshifter in the 83-84 timeframe that doesn't have 
> the power ratchet or whatever it's called?  I have a set of levers with 
> "the band" that came off an 83 MTB (that I miss) but I never made the 
> connection that they might have that mechanism.  
>
> They click smoothly in one direction and are a bit stiff in the other 
> direction.  Does this indicate anything about their condition?  I've been 
> thinking about pursuing my 26" LHT fantasy and using one of these as a 
> downtube shifter for the crankset, if these work as downtube shifters.  
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[David Banzer]

If it clicks, it has a power ratchet. The ratcheting mechanism in the 
originals is the same as the original bar-ends, which is to say that the 
Silver 2 shifters will have a more refined ratcheting mechanism than the 
original Suntour shifters. I can't remember off the top of my head, but 
there might have a later Suntour thumbshifter version that had the 
mechanism in it as the Suntour Sprint dt shifters.
Who's a Suntour expert around here?
David
River Grove, IL

On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 12:44:22 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Did Suntour have a thumbshifter in the 83-84 timeframe that doesn't have 
> the power ratchet or whatever it's called?  I have a set of levers with 
> "the band" that came off an 83 MTB (that I miss) but I never made the 
> connection that they might have that mechanism.  
>
> They click smoothly in one direction and are a bit stiff in the other 
> direction.  Does this indicate anything about their condition?  I've been 
> thinking about pursuing my 26" LHT fantasy and using one of these as a 
> downtube shifter for the crankset, if these work as downtube shifters.  
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 1:08:31 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>>
>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[LBleriot]

I think Bill Lindsay was making a kind offer to buy and hold a backup set 
of the V1 shifters for me.  It's nice to know the Walnut Creek Gang has my 
back.  Call me a crank, but I just hate when good things are "improved" out 
of their original purpose.  Ah well.  Progress.

On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 2:08:33 PM UTC-4, Julian wrote:
>
> Patrick, 
>
> Who is whom talking to? 
>
> Are you asking about Bill Lindsay's post about buying and holding? If so, 
> I think, (but am not positive), that he is responding to LBleriot's 
> (whoever that is) posts lamenting the end of the road for Silvers V1. 
>
> It does get a bit confusing in the Google interface when folks do not 
> include the post to which they're responding in their replies. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il 
>
> On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 12:50:14 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Who is he talking to?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Julian]

Patrick, 

Who is whom talking to? 

Are you asking about Bill Lindsay's post about buying and holding? If so, I 
think, (but am not positive), that he is responding to LBleriot's (whoever 
that is) posts lamenting the end of the road for Silvers V1. 

It does get a bit confusing in the Google interface when folks do not 
include the post to which they're responding in their replies. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 

On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 12:50:14 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Who is he talking to?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Patrick Moore]

Who is he talking to?

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Did Suntour have a thumbshifter in the 83-84 timeframe that doesn't have 
the power ratchet or whatever it's called?  I have a set of levers with 
"the band" that came off an 83 MTB (that I miss) but I never made the 
connection that they might have that mechanism.  

They click smoothly in one direction and are a bit stiff in the other 
direction.  Does this indicate anything about their condition?  I've been 
thinking about pursuing my 26" LHT fantasy and using one of these as a 
downtube shifter for the crankset, if these work as downtube shifters.  



On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 1:08:31 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>
> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Rusty Click]

I believe they look like a "Goose Neck".  No offense, or vote intended, 
just saying.  I do like the alliterative nature of the "THIMBLE THUMBIE" 
though.

On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 7:12:20 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> If now and then or from the start we call them Thimble Shifters---if we or 
> I EVER do--Ryan gets a free pair. 
> Since 'tis the season for voting, the polls are open till Saturday at 10 
> o'clock California time. 
>
> Silver THIMBLES
>
> The SILVER part is alredy in the genes. That's the brand. Model would be 
> THIMBLE, and maybe we'd use THIMBLE only for the thumb-operated style.
>
> so you can vote anonymously without hurting Ryan's feelings, email 
> gr...@rivbike.com  directly, and only if you like THIMBLE. 
> No other suggestions, please, no explanations, I'm not going to open up the 
> email unless you say THIMBLE OPEN, and then, sure, whatever. But I'm 
> looking for a certain undisclosed number between 45 and 48. That's the 
> threshhold.
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Ryan Ray  > wrote:
>
>> I like the old down tube style ones and the new thimble ones. Both are 
>> nice.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Lungimsam]

Oops... sorry for the non bike emotokans. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Lungimsam]

I have been on this forum since 2012 and I have now come to the conclusion that 
Bill is either Grant Petersen incognito here on the forum, or RBW's #1 fan.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

Since there are 80 sets of the originals on the shelf, it seems like a good 
time to buy a back up set, since you like them that much.  If you'd rather 
not risk the $46, I'll buy an extra set and put your name on them.  If you 
need them, let me know.  I promise I'll save them until they are my last 
set before I use them.  If I've already used them when you ask me for them, 
I'll say 'tough luck'.  Let me know if you want my help.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Grant Petersen]

If now and then or from the start we call them Thimble Shifters---if we or
I EVER do--Ryan gets a free pair.
Since 'tis the season for voting, the polls are open till Saturday at 10
o'clock California time.

Silver THIMBLES

The SILVER part is alredy in the genes. That's the brand. Model would be
THIMBLE, and maybe we'd use THIMBLE only for the thumb-operated style.

so you can vote anonymously without hurting Ryan's feelings, email
gr...@rivbike.com directly, and only if you like THIMBLE. No other
suggestions, please, no explanations, I'm not going to open up the email
unless you say THIMBLE OPEN, and then, sure, whatever. But I'm looking for
a certain undisclosed number between 45 and 48. That's the threshhold.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> I like the old down tube style ones and the new thimble ones. Both are
> nice.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Ryan Ray]

I like the old down tube style ones and the new thimble ones. Both are nice. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[LBleriot]

It's all good, but for me the originals epitomized an "ah, brilliant!" 
moment you guys are known for.  The replacements, for me, for my use, for 
my style of riding not so much.  



On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 10:49:52 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:
>
> Downtube shifters are so much better than the original Campy shifters that 
> were mounted on the seat stays. But even they were breakthroughs for the 
> time--for the first time ever, a rider should shift remotely. We have a 
> bike here with those "Cambio Corsa" shifters, and anybody who comes by can 
> try it. It's a mindblowing.crackup.
>
> But it WAS the first cable-actuated shifter, so you didn't have to get off 
> the bike and change gears on a stopped bike with your fingers.
>
> Putting shifters on the downtube made shifting 10,000 percent easier, and 
> if you think that's an exagerration, you just haven't shifted the Cambio 
> Corsa.
>
>
> Shifters could have stopped at the downtube, but whether it's a good, 
> excellent, or fantastic place to shift depends on how far away they are, 
> the state of your lower back, and how smooth the terrain is. They're pretty 
> good for low-bar road bikes, because you're already leaning, and reaching 
> down there is actually relaxing. 
>
> But whether you ride an upright or a drop bar, when the bars are higher 
> the reach is longer and they're less convenient. So, as you do the things 
> that generally increase comfort and get the bars higher, your hands get 
> farther away from them, so it's less convenient.   Since our bikes are 
> skewed for comfort (at no expense anywhere else, of course I'd say...), it 
> wouldn't make sense to invest in a "classically shaped" downtube shifter.
>
> We do have Silver-1's in...and Dia-Compe has the Campyish ENE downtuber, 
> and Shimano still makes 'em--probably for triathletes--and those are all 
> great shifters. 
>
> So it just made sense for us to develop a shifter that works on the 
> downtube while looking out of place with the classics; and works great as 
> inboard or outboard thumbies, bar-ends, or the underestimated 
> ultra-position on the sleeves of a drop bar.
>
> Anyway...they're not meant to be divisive. We sunk our loot and time into 
> a shifter we're jazzed about, and it will do no harm and won't exactly 
> duplicate what's already out there, which is also key..!
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Dave Johnston  > wrote:
>
>> For the downtube you could always get the ENE Ciclo Gran Compe Downtube 
>> Shifters. I think they look cooler and they haven't been made for 17 yrs so 
>> presumable the mold isn't near wearing out.
>>
>> http://store.somafab.com/enecidosh.html
>>
>> Hard to believe we have choices in new friction shifters.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.  
>>> One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
>>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
>>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
>>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
>>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
>>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
>>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
>>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
>>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
>>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
>>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>>>
>>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Patrick Moore]

Good to know that the Dia Compes are still available.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 7:12 AM, David Banzer  wrote:

> For those who still want the traditional downtube shifter shape, Dia Compe
> makes them with the same ratcheting friction internals as Silver shifters.
> It's cosmetically a little different, but functionally it's the same
> shifter.
> I'd guess this is a little bit why Riv is making something new instead of
> making the same shape if they need to invest in a new mold.
> I'm looking forward to these!
> David
> River Grove, IL
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 2:50:14 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I agree that they will make only makeshift dt shifters -- too bad. Me, I
>> like the shape of the old ones for bar end shifting too, but for that
>> purpose, the new ones will work at least as well.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:45 PM, LBleriot  wrote:
>>
>>> Meh.  I can't get excited about this version since it seems that given
>>> the new shape DT mounting is an afterthought.  To my eye, these are
>>> thumbies and would look silly on a Ram, Rom, Homer or Roadeo DT.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.
 One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be
 going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2
 looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon
 shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to
 me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep
 putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a
 pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When
 the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early
 adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to
 make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on
 the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.

 Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[David Banzer]

For those who still want the traditional downtube shifter shape, Dia Compe 
makes them with the same ratcheting friction internals as Silver shifters. 
It's cosmetically a little different, but functionally it's the same 
shifter.
I'd guess this is a little bit why Riv is making something new instead of 
making the same shape if they need to invest in a new mold.
I'm looking forward to these!
David
River Grove, IL

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 2:50:14 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I agree that they will make only makeshift dt shifters -- too bad. Me, I 
> like the shape of the old ones for bar end shifting too, but for that 
> purpose, the new ones will work at least as well.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:45 PM, LBleriot  > wrote:
>
>> Meh.  I can't get excited about this version since it seems that given 
>> the new shape DT mounting is an afterthought.  To my eye, these are 
>> thumbies and would look silly on a Ram, Rom, Homer or Roadeo DT.
>>
>> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.  
>>> One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
>>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
>>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
>>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
>>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
>>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
>>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
>>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
>>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
>>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
>>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>>>
>>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Grant Petersen]

Downtube shifters are so much better than the original Campy shifters that
were mounted on the seat stays. But even they were breakthroughs for the
time--for the first time ever, a rider should shift remotely. We have a
bike here with those "Cambio Corsa" shifters, and anybody who comes by can
try it. It's a mindblowing.crackup.

But it WAS the first cable-actuated shifter, so you didn't have to get off
the bike and change gears on a stopped bike with your fingers.

Putting shifters on the downtube made shifting 10,000 percent easier, and
if you think that's an exagerration, you just haven't shifted the Cambio
Corsa.


Shifters could have stopped at the downtube, but whether it's a good,
excellent, or fantastic place to shift depends on how far away they are,
the state of your lower back, and how smooth the terrain is. They're pretty
good for low-bar road bikes, because you're already leaning, and reaching
down there is actually relaxing.

But whether you ride an upright or a drop bar, when the bars are higher the
reach is longer and they're less convenient. So, as you do the things that
generally increase comfort and get the bars higher, your hands get farther
away from them, so it's less convenient.   Since our bikes are skewed for
comfort (at no expense anywhere else, of course I'd say...), it wouldn't
make sense to invest in a "classically shaped" downtube shifter.

We do have Silver-1's in...and Dia-Compe has the Campyish ENE downtuber,
and Shimano still makes 'em--probably for triathletes--and those are all
great shifters.

So it just made sense for us to develop a shifter that works on the
downtube while looking out of place with the classics; and works great as
inboard or outboard thumbies, bar-ends, or the underestimated
ultra-position on the sleeves of a drop bar.

Anyway...they're not meant to be divisive. We sunk our loot and time into a
shifter we're jazzed about, and it will do no harm and won't exactly
duplicate what's already out there, which is also key..!

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Dave Johnston  wrote:

> For the downtube you could always get the ENE Ciclo Gran Compe Downtube
> Shifters. I think they look cooler and they haven't been made for 17 yrs so
> presumable the mold isn't near wearing out.
>
> http://store.somafab.com/enecidosh.html
>
> Hard to believe we have choices in new friction shifters.
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.
>> One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be
>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2
>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon
>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to
>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep
>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a
>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When
>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early
>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to
>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on
>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.
>>
>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Dave Johnston]

For the downtube you could always get the ENE Ciclo Gran Compe Downtube 
Shifters. I think they look cooler and they haven't been made for 17 yrs so 
presumable the mold isn't near wearing out.

http://store.somafab.com/enecidosh.html

Hard to believe we have choices in new friction shifters.

-Dave



On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>
> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[LBleriot]

Bill--Actually, I do think I get the point.  My friends at Riv decided to 
change the shape of the shifter in light of the fact that the original mold has 
worn out. They could have simply made a new mold in the shape of the original 
which, I believe, is optimized for DT mounting and more than acceptable for 
barend mounting.  Instead they changed the shape of the mold which, as Grant 
points, is no longer optimal for DT mounting, but is optimized for thumbies.  
To me this is a disappointment since I use them as DT shifters.  So, like it's 
predecessor, a beautiful piece of kit that works flawlessly is now lost to 
posterity.  Meh.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Patrick Moore]

I agree that they will make only makeshift dt shifters -- too bad. Me, I
like the shape of the old ones for bar end shifting too, but for that
purpose, the new ones will work at least as well.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:45 PM, LBleriot  wrote:

> Meh.  I can't get excited about this version since it seems that given the
> new shape DT mounting is an afterthought.  To my eye, these are thumbies
> and would look silly on a Ram, Rom, Homer or Roadeo DT.
>
> On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters.
>> One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be
>> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2
>> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon
>> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to
>> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep
>> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a
>> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When
>> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early
>> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to
>> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on
>> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.
>>
>> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Bill Lindsay]

LBleriot missed the point of what to get excited about.  

Rivendell still has 82 sets of Silver 1's.  The only reason a lover of 
Silver 1's should get excited is that the BLUG post makes clear that the 
old mold no longer exists.  If that bums you out or freaks you out, you 
should treat yourself to two or three sets of Silver 1.0 shifters to last 
you for a while.  Several years ago I found a guy blowing out N.O.S. 
Suntour Sprints, the originals that the Silver 1.0s copied.  I bought 5 
sets, and now I wish I had bought more.  Now you know that the End Of Life 
(EOL) announcement has been made for the Silver 1's, so now is the time to 
do your last-time buy.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 11:45:15 AM UTC-7, LBleriot wrote:
>
> Meh.  I can't get excited about this version since it seems that given the 
> new shape DT mounting is an afterthought.  To my eye, these are thumbies 
> and would look silly on a Ram, Rom, Homer or Roadeo DT.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[LBleriot]

Meh.  I can't get excited about this version since it seems that given the 
new shape DT mounting is an afterthought.  To my eye, these are thumbies 
and would look silly on a Ram, Rom, Homer or Roadeo DT.

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 2:08:31 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>
> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Garth]

As for durability of the shifters, if they are as good as the original they 
should be great. I still use the original ST thumbies that came with my '83 
Stumpjumper on one bike and another pair on the Bombadil, they both work as 
great as great can be. I agree with Grant that you gotta wonder why any 
other kind of shifter was ever made, other than to be "other than". 

 Sure, you can take them apart but there is nothing to do in there anyways. 
So I don't see how not being user dismantled is an issue.I hope the new 
ones still have the on-the-fly-no-screwdriver-needed adjustment screw on 
top though.

  The band on the original was one "weak" spot though, as with age and many 
times being adjusted and all, I have had 2 clamps break(the ends). 
Fortunately, I found some replacements on ebay  yeh, you didn't know 
they existed until there they are, staring you in the face, Swt . 

 I look forward to the Riv ones because well, I can never have enough bikes 
to put them on :)  

  FWIW, I have shifted the same way since I first had a bike the could be 
shifted manually, it was a Fuji-something 10 speed that I bought from a 
doctor in the late 70's. Later on, I worked in a bike shop assembling and 
repairing bikes when the whole indexed thing was becoming big.  As I test 
rode the new bikes, I thought "indexed shifting, hmmm, okay, but I already 
know how to shift". So that was the end of that . hey, the feel, sound 
and motion of shifting is as beautiful as any other art . 







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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[Garth]

  Funny how "old" stuff keeps getting re-done  !   I still use ST thumbies 
and have since they came out on the early 80's. Yep, this design is best 
for thumbies.  This improves on the ST clamp design in a major way, win-win 
! 

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[dougP]

The new shape looks especially elegant.  I can see a pair of these on the 
upright bars on my Atlantis.  That old Suntour ratchet provides just the 
right tactile feedback while still working with any number of speeds.  I 
still have an ancient pair of Bar-Cons that work perfectly after decades of 
use.  I expect the Silver 2s to perform similarly.

dougP

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 11:08:31 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG has a long write up and description of the Silver 2 shifters. 
>  One big take home is the Silver 1 shifter mold is shot, so those will be 
> going away.  So, if you love Silver shifters, stock up now.  The Silver 2 
> looks like it'll be a way better thumb shifter, a somewhat better barcon 
> shifter, and an amusingly ironic downtube shifter.  Most importantly (to 
> me), is that if you want to embolden Rivendell Bicycle Works to keep 
> putting their money where their brains are, then reward them by buying a 
> pair or two of Silver 2's and put them into your personal inventory.  When 
> the need arises, get them from your stock.  If Riv gets a lot of early 
> adopters buying them, then they'll have the confidence and the money to 
> make the next part that you can't get anywhere else.  Grant tells you on 
> the BLUG how to get on an email list for updates on the Silver 2.  
>
> Bill habitual-early-adopter Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

[William R.]

I put myself on the email list and will be getting at least two pairs of 
these for sure! Not that I really need them so much, but just for putting 
that money up for their effort, it's a good effort and I don't want things 
like this to go away. I suppose one pair will replace the thumbies that 
came stock on the Appaloosa. Not that I have any problems with them, but 
the new Silver 2's will be a nice upgrade, and the old ones will trickle 
onto my station bike. The other pair of Silver 2's? For display purposes 
until a use comes along.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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