Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-08 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 21:10 -0700, William wrote: I'd buy one of those Rivendells, if they didn't all need one of those 'signature' drivetrains. Drivetrains just act as a shelf to collect mud. I'm going to order one of those drivetrainless bikes, so I can remain mud free when I slog through

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-07 Thread Aaron Thomas
I wish the Riv/Soma frame didn't have Riv's new signature kickstand plate. I recall seeing a photo of someone's Hilsen (maybe Cyclofiend's?) that had been CX-raced in the mud. And the kickstand plate acted as a mud shelf, piling it up high behind the seat tube. The kickstand plate seems to

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-07 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 15:08 -0700, Aaron Thomas wrote: The kickstand plate seems to limit the versatility of the frame, without really giving you any significant benefits. After all, you can always add a kickstand to a frame without a plate. Yes, sure, if you're willing to risk the chance of

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-07 Thread William
If you are in the market for a $1000 range cyclocross frameset with optimal mud clearance, I agree that the Soma San Marcos is not your best choice. Nor is the Hillborne. On Apr 7, 3:08 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: I wish the Riv/Soma frame didn't have Riv's new signature

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-07 Thread EricP
Winter riding. Even with full coverage fenders, snow/salt/slush accumulate on a plate. I still argue this can lead to early corrosion of the stays when it builds up over a few winters. (A similar argument was recently conducted on the Surly LHT list. Someone there indicated to me a powdercoat

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-07 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 18:14 -0700, EricP wrote: Winter riding. Even with full coverage fenders, snow/salt/slush accumulate on a plate. I still argue this can lead to early corrosion of the stays when it builds up over a few winters. Certainly not a problem here in Northern Virginia. --

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-07 Thread Jason Hansen
Lucky! Did you get any information regarding pricing and release date? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-07 Thread CycloFiend
on 4/7/11 3:08 PM, Aaron Thomas at aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: I wish the Riv/Soma frame didn't have Riv's new signature kickstand plate. I recall seeing a photo of someone's Hilsen (maybe Cyclofiend's?) that had been CX-raced in the mud. And the kickstand plate acted as a mud shelf, piling

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-07 Thread velomann
I'm more intrigued by this bike all the time. I agree with others that 1.125 stems are an improvement, headset adjustment wise. But I still prefer 1-inch quill stems, aesthetically, so that's a plus to me. And downtube shifter bosses - hella yes! And if you don't like em, see if your LBS has some

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-06 Thread RoadieRyan
I was in SF on business and lucked into enough time to take Bart out to Walnut Creek to visit Riv. I was fortunate enough to be able to ride the very Soma pictured in the Riv PDF. When I came back after a spin my face was hurting...from smiling so much. I would order one in a heartbeat if I had

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread davidfrench
maybe here : http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-on.html On Apr 1, 4:59 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: True, but I figured summer 2011--maybe? Ryan On Apr 1, 1:53 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully March 19,2010 is not really the

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread bfd
On Apr 4, 2:03 pm, davidfrench nydavidfo...@gmail.com wrote: maybe here : http://somafab.blogspot.com/2010/01/rivendell-collaborates-with-soma-... I agree with one of the commenters, I don't understand why it will have 1 threaded fork/headset. Sorry, but in today's market THREADLESS headset

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread William
They could still stay with 1 as there are shims to fit 1.25 stems. and there are adapters so they can stay with 1 threaded and still fit threadless stems. Also I presume you mean 1.125. On Apr 5, 11:33 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 4, 2:03 pm, davidfrench nydavidfo...@gmail.com

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Does anyone know how much it will cost? And, second, what current or recent Rivendell model will this most closely approximate? Tange Prestige: I remember when that was really high end stuff, at least in the marketing literature. The tubing had a nice, clear ping when you flicked it with your

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread bfd
On Apr 5, 1:41 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: They could still stay with 1 as there are shims to fit 1.25 stems. and there are adapters so they can stay with 1 threaded and still fit threadless stems. That's true, but those adapters are alot more bulky than incorporating a

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread William
1.125 threadless is certainly the MOST mainstream, but I don't think I'd advise Riv or even Soma to grow their business by becoming more mainstream. 1 threaded is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are important. 1.125 threadless is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 5:09 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1.125 threadless is certainly the MOST mainstream, but I don't think I'd advise Riv or even Soma to grow their business by becoming more mainstream.  1 threaded is flat out better for reasons that Riv thinks are important.  

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread rperks
I would specualate that since the bike is using Riv style lugs that it dictates the steerer size. Same thing with the Roadeo. Somewhere in Grants style of blogging there was a more recent post on the upcoming bike. Ok found it https://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/364/original_oct1visus.pdf

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread bfd
On Apr 5, 2:09 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1.125 threadless is certainly the MOST mainstream, but I don't think I'd advise Riv or even Soma to grow their business by becoming more mainstream.   Why not? If you offer things familiar to what people want, it will sell. Further, Riv

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread bfd
On Apr 5, 2:32 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: I would specualate that since the bike is using Riv style lugs that it dictates the steerer size.  Same thing with the Roadeo.  Somewhere in Grants style of blogging there was a more recent post on the upcoming bike.  Ok found

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread cyclotourist
I've come to appreciate threadless. The ease of setting them is fantastic. If I were going to get a new bike, I would prefer it. I don't know of any downside to them, other than they don't look good with high bars on a too-small frame. I think they look nicer than the big 7 of a quill stem

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread EricP
Don't know the answers, but from what I can gather, present Prestige has little to no relation to the old Prestige tubing. That was light, heat treated tubing that had some serious restrictions on it for frame builders. (This is all from 25 year old memories, so take with a grain of salt.) If

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks. Do you know if the new Prestige is still thinwall heat treated? My 1991 Specialized Stumpjumper Team was the old Prestige and it was a very nice frame indeed; I don't remember hearing of any weight limit -- my brother Peter, a good 40-50 lb heavier than my 170, had no problem beating up

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread rcnute
Hmm, crotchal safety and unimportant differentiators in the same sentence... Ryan On Apr 5, 5:39 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't believe anybody is handwringing over whatever their front end format is.  Both threaded and threadless work and work well.  bfd's assertion was that

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread cyclotourist
I've got three kids, so have done my part to perpetuate the species... it's all extranious bits now I suppose. On 4/5/11, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: Hmm, crotchal safety and unimportant differentiators in the same sentence... Ryan On Apr 5, 5:39 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread bfd
On Apr 5, 6:38 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Do you know if the new Prestige is still thinwall heat treated? My 1991 Specialized Stumpjumper Team was the old Prestige and it was a very nice frame indeed; I don't remember hearing of any weight limit -- my brother Peter,

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-05 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Interesting; thanks for posting that. I wonder what my frame was made from: certainly oversized and quite light, but doubtless not as thinwall as tubing for light road racers. Actually, I think a good part of the bike's appeal was the frame design: IIRC, it was well balanced: not to twitchy, not

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-01 Thread rcnute
http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/216 Ryan On Apr 1, 12:08 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: Has anybody heard the lastest about the release of the bike they are working on together? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-01 Thread William
Hopefully March 19,2010 is not really the latest. :) Calling Merry Sales is probably the best way to get that info. On Apr 1, 1:40 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/216 Ryan On Apr 1, 12:08 pm, Richard Merkin samcoal...@gmail.com wrote: Has

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-01 Thread Eric Daume
I asked Soma about this, and they said they will do a blog post when they have more information. Nothing as of yet. Eric On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 4:53 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully March 19,2010 is not really the latest. :) Calling Merry Sales is probably the best way to

[RBW] Re: Soma/Riv Bike

2011-04-01 Thread rcnute
True, but I figured summer 2011--maybe? Ryan On Apr 1, 1:53 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully March 19,2010 is not really the latest.  :) Calling Merry Sales is probably the best way to get that info. On Apr 1, 1:40 pm, rcnute rcn...@hotmail.com wrote: