Put a foot into the Golden Age yesterday when I found a
On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 9:10:36 PM UTC-8 Berkeleyan wrote:
> I'm in for the long haul. I bought Moustache Bars from RBW for my REI XR
> way back in the early 1990's, so that must have been when Grant first put
> up a sign.
>
>
I'm in for the long haul. I bought Moustache Bars from RBW for my REI XR
way back in the early 1990's, so that must have been when Grant first put
up a sign.
When I was doored in 1997, I used the insurance settlement toward a
custom-sized 65cm LongLow, which I still have, and love. Phil hubs,
I go all the way back to the Bridgestone days, but my first Rivendell was a
first generation Sam Hillborne, circa 2009. I have a soft spot for models
from that era. I’m slowly warming up to the idea of longer chainstays
though, so we’ll see if my currently-in-the-build-process Platypus ends up
I would fall mostly into the Golden Ager, but also the Proto Riv as you
define them. I tried one longer chainstay Riv and we did not connect. I
currently have a Hillborne which while a newer design for me is more old
school, and a Saluki. I have had Riv Roads, a Custom, an AR, and the list
Thanks, Ryan and JJ. Ian, I'm guessing they wanted to keep those lugs off
that newish bridge surface. The rest of the road was pretty much gravel,
though I guess lugged wheels could make a mess of that as well. I am sure
they didn't have my bike in mind but, loving lugged frames, I thought
Lugs in this instance normally relate to metal tracks or wheels on
agricultural or construction equipment. They tear up the asphalt.
IanA
On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 4:16:35 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
> Ha ha ...missed the signwhat does that even mean, I wonder. Oh...lugs
> on tires ...got
Ha ha ...missed the signwhat does that even mean, I wonder. Oh...lugs
on tires ...got it.
Great shot, Bill
On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:49:03 PM UTC-6 J J wrote:
> That’s a perfect pic, Bill. Love it!
>
> On Nov 13, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Bill Schairer wrote:
>
> I am firmly attached to
That’s a perfect pic, Bill. Love it!On Nov 13, 2022, at 9:19 PM, Bill Schairer wrote:I am firmly attached to lugs as well.I snuck through without incident on my one and only Riv, 2013 Atlantis on tour this past summer.Bill SSan DiegoOn Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 9:34:49 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
Hi Ryan:I share your inclinations on RBW designs. My 1st Riv was a Rambouillet in 2006. The Ram was conceived of as a successor to the Long Low and mine continues to be a great riding bike. I next got a Saluki but decided it really wasn’t for me and re-sold it. My 3rd Riv was a Road prototype and
Definitely proto-Riv...somewhere around Ted Durant and Mr. Moore ...1993
X0-1 that I still have, 1997 A/R and 2001 LongLow influenced Curt Goodrich
Road...but veering into swoopy with 2016 custom mixte which I ordered with
less ornate lugs than the Glorius and Wilbury models.
I get why Riv
I slot in just behind Ted. I fell in love with a 1992 XO-1 that an
Albuquerque bike shop was discounting to get rid of it; I'd been riding
road-ified or allrounder-ified mountain bikes but wanted something that
handled more like the 1989 Falcon I'd sold but with 26" wheels. The XO-1
got close, but
IMO, the peak of my interest remains with the Atlantis and Saluki, though I
would like to try one of the Toyo Homers of the 700c variety and maybe a
Wilbury. The move to being upright does not interest me, yet, and I have
not seen anything that interests me in a new frameset. I imagine one
Hi Ted, like you, I started riding Bridgestone with the 1993 RB-1. At one
point Eric House (who was sponsored by Grant) was riding "sunrise
centuries" to get ready for his RAAM attempt, so I joined him on a few
rides. At one point I got invited to a ride on Grant Petersen's commute to
Saw a comment from Ted Durant, recall we rode a 200k brevet together on our
RIvs back in 2016.
I'm definitely a "Golden Ager"
I started with an RB-1 bought when Bridgestone called it quits, then
another RB-1 and an RB-T - yes at one time had three RB bikes. I gave the
RB-T to my brother for his
Definitely a 2TTer leaning into the Clemster age. Own an Appaloosa for
touring and running around with various loads (and as my winter bike in a
wet climate), a Sam for my version of speed (which is laughably slow, but
really it’s just a reminder not to weigh down the bike with the extra 10
Thanks Rich, I love all these bikes. Just did a lovely ride on the Sonoma
Coast today, Monte Rio to Cazadero, over Ft Ross Road and down Meyer’s
Grade to Highway 1. Awesome weather!
I meant to mention, I had a Quickbeam but gave it to Crazy Bradford down in
Petaluma, who loves it. My knees
Very inspiring to see the variety of Rivs those of you currently
own or have owned. Max, you have a stellar collection of bikes!
I'm a Golden Ager in terms of longevity but less so with Rivendell; since
2011 if I recall. Wish it had been sooner. I wouldn't have bought lesser
bikes. All part of
My journey along this path began in 1997, with a Litespeed—full Record
group, 23mm tires that barely fit, carbon fork...light and fast. Lots of
fun to ride. The very next year, as I recall, the newer Record group
included those great Ergo levers that many of us still ride now—with the
guts removed
Definitely a Golden Ager. Late 90’s, I discovered Rivendell, spent some
time with Grant, and picked up a Heron; got back into riding after a ten or
fifteen year hiatus. I’ve continue to ride each of my Rivendells - Custom,
Legolas, Rambouillet, Roadeo, Atlantis, Heron (now a 650), maybe a few
Good thread. I'm a 2TTer. I learned about Riv ~2010 through ecovelo which
has a presence again on Instagram and cyclofiend. My first Rivendell I
bought was a 2TT Sam I got new for sub $1000, but I lusted after a
Hunqapillar first because of the grey bean paint but especially after
riding
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 6:55:34 PM UTC-5 Philip Williamson
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> Which era do you identify with the most, or like the best?
>
I'm not sure how I missed this thread! The Bridgestone XO-1 is where it
began for me, and I happily teamed up with Grant to help Rivendell get
started
I remember a FS for a Riv Mountain, $500 for the frameset, it was a large
and the ad cautioned how large a pbh you needed to ride it. I had just
bought something else and didn’t pursue it past one exchange of emails.
Never saw mention of it being sold, the seller did say it needed a comlete
Quickbeams change hands pretty regularly, but I may have only ever seen one
Riv Mountain for sale. Maybe none. That was one of the first Rivs I was
ever made aware of, so I've been attuned to them. A lot of early bikes
might be in garages and attics.
The nu-Riv Platys seem to come up for sale
I'm guess I'm a "Golden Ager" by default.
I cut my cycling teeth riding Bridgetones that Grant designed, but my only
Rivendell has been a blue 64cm Rambouillet that I found in semi-rough
cosmetic shape at Bicas, our local co-op, earlier this year. I couldn't
(and still can't) believe my luck.
We're a Golden Ager household in more ways than one. We have a Toyo A.
Homer Hilsen, a Simpleton converted to a 14-speed Rohloff drive, and a
Betty Foy.
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 7:55:34 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson
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> Recent discussions make me wonder, what epoch of
I wonder what the least resold Riv is? At least the smallest ratio or
percentage of resales to sales. Clearly the Riv Mountain is the least resold.
-J
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Oy, I'd love to find a 48 or 51 Hunqapillar in grey/kidney bean. If I'd known
then that every one purchased would never be resold later...
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I'm first fell in love with a 62 Sam Hillborne at Harris Cycler, so started
as a *2TTer.* After that I went with a used AHH which became the one and
now I have two new additional bikes in the works: a SimpleOne (bought from
a forum member) which has been a joy to ride and an early version
Great question! I am a golden ager for sure. Have an Atlantis, Rambo, and
Simple 1. Sold a Toyo Hilsen and have serious regrets about that one...
On Sunday, October 7, 2018 at 9:45:10 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> My favorite label haters are the No Labels group. They have a label.
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(So you're a label hater kind of guy;^)
On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 5:04:57 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
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> I really hate & avoid labels, but I go way back to the late 80's and
> especially the early 90's.
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I started with the XO-1, too but went road-ward and not dirt-ward. Odd,
I've always liked road riding as much as, or even better than dirt riding,
but I'd somehow become convinced that I wanted a 26" wheel bike for road
riding, and I had been riding drop bar-converted mountain bikes with road
My initial infatuation with bikes as a grownup started with the X0-1, so it's
kinda ridiculous that I've never owned an Atlantis. I got close last week with
the All Rounder that's for sale here, but couldn't quite bring myself to pay
asking price. Someday!
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I really hate & avoid labels, but I go way back to the late 80's and especially
the early 90's. I very nearly bought an MB1(but, got a Klein Pinnacle instead),
to this day I wish I'd gotten the Bridgestone, but I made up for it a couple
years later when I bought my Violet XO-1. I continued to
That bike looks great! I love the idea of measuring the bike's lifespan in
paint jobs.
The A/R is a Proto-Riv that keeps on delivering, and its lineage runs
straight down through the Golden Age Atlantis (in my opinion).
Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 12:02:35 AM
Golden Ager.
Once owned: Atlantis, AHH.
Currently own: Saluki, Simpleone
Would like to find a Legolas!!
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BUT BIKEPACKING AND FLAT PEDALS JUST HAPPENED AT INTERBIKE FOR THE FURST TIME
Beautiful bike.
-J
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This pretty well answers it.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/44796788671/in/dateposted/
Still have it. On the third paint job. Owned maybe 20 bikes (all vintage)
in the intervening years but the AR is still here and still doing what it
does best: back roads camptouring.
It's
This is great, Philip! Way to rule the internets!
I came to Rivendell via B'Stone and iBOB, but from the dirty side. It
started with my MB-2 purchased from Beverly Hills Bikes that was my go-to
ride for many years. So my tastes were formed in the Proto era, but my
finances didn't catch up
I love the more classic looking - Rambouillet, AHH (mine is 67cm single top
tube), Quickbeam type looks. Over the years the bigger bikes that fit me
have gone by the wayside and I didn't buy the 69 AHH in time.. I do love
my Bombadil for touring. I sold the Ram, and Quickbeam and am down to
I came on the scene about 2011-12 by buying a used 55 Bleriot. My first
Bleriot.
So that puts me into the *"No 650b tires available except for four models,
two of which are out of production now, and no 650b tubes anywhere on the
planet" era*. That was my perception at the time based on my
The Chica Warrior bikes!-Original Message-
From: Philip Williamson
Sent: Sep 28, 2018 10:13 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?
Aha! All those Roscos were pretty experimental, and cut across the strata in interesting ways. The Arcana or Enigmatic
Golden Age'r. Catch is I've never actually owned a riv but my first is on
it's way soon i hope (MIT AHH). i found riv around 2008-09. badly wanted an
AHH or an atlantis, but those were out of the budget and i settled for a
surly LHT. i wouldn't turn down a legolas, mostly due to the sweet seat
Proto-Rivster for sure.
I was in the IBOB with the paper leaflets. Had a MB-3 (I think it was?)
from 1986. It was a really cool grey-gren color with some red in there in
places.
Then I had an MB-2, purple, that i got in 1990, if memory serves. That one
had a really quick front end that I never
Aha! All those Roscos were pretty experimental, and cut across the strata
in interesting ways.
The *Arcana* or *Enigmatic* Rivs would also include Patrick Moore's 26"
wheeled road bikes, the Mystery Bike, and the custom fixed-gear mountain
bike that caused such a stir several years ago.
Oh man. Philip, thank you for starting this thread. Made me smile
throughout. Thank you.
Converging threads of history. Finding the treasure trove of info compiled
by Sheldon Brown, as well as his copious continual sharing on
REC:Bicycle:Tech and other usenet forums (kids, ask your parents or
Like many, I would imagine, I first learned of Rivendell via the musings of
the inimitable Sheldon Brown. I was in to fixed gear bikes at the time, on
which subject Sheldon was of course a non-hipster (or maybe an O.G.
Hipster?) fount of knowledge and expertise. RIP. I went from fixed to road
Great thread!
For sporty riding, the Quickbeam makes me a Golden Ager by default.
For utilitarian riding, rougher trails, and/or just cruising, I'd almost be
certainly be a Clemster. In the spirit of scientific rigor, I should get
one just to confirm...
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at
I am definitely a proto Riv guy. I was riding lugged steel race bikes, and
the fit was long top tube, lots of seat post, bars low. I was at a swap
meet and a guy gave me a Riv catalog. Catalog #2. Maybe one. I liked
what I read. I read the article in Outside on Grant and his philosophy
I second (and third and fourth) the comments that this is a fun question.
I thought about "Riv eras" recently although not quite in the terms
defined above---more in terms that Riv models seem to be moving away from
me now but there are several older models I'd still like to try.
I'm firmly
Can we throw an 'Experimental' or 'Avant Garde' Epoch for the odd ball
Rosco's and any other one off frames they've done ;) I love my Rosco Road.
I was turned on during the AHH/Sam/Atlantis/Hunq days so that is where my
heart lies, even though I don't have any of those (anymore). So a 2TTer.
I'm straddling several eras -- definitely in the Golden Age, with a Ram and
QB, have a Toyo Atlantis which spans the epochs, ride a Clem to work most
days and love it, and enjoy our HHH (rode it 12 miles last night to and
from a bike club social -- we were the only ones who actually came by
I guess I'd have to say Golden Age with qualifications. I was aware of Riv
in 1995 when I was re-awakening to cycling, but I was a roadie/weight
weenie then. I appreciated the beauty of Rivs and Waterfords, but the
price absolutely put them beyond my reach. I ended up with a Performance
Golden Era'er here. That's where my mind goes with Riv. I appreciate
"Proto" with my Road Custom, which is just a classic road bike, and my Hunq
would put me in admiration in 2TT'er era, as I think everyone should have a
Hunq.
But my Quickbeam is by far my favorite.
Esteban
San Diego, Calif.
This is one of the more entertaining threads for sure. I'm glad that others
also prefer the first wave of Riv bikes. My original Road iis one of the 2
best bikes I've owned. The other is a '95 Waterford that has similar geometry
in lighter tubing. (Riv used heavy wall Reynolds 753.
This is a fun thread. I probably qualify as a "golden ager" in terms of
years and my heart is with the classic Rivs. Currently riding an Atlantis
and a Sam but have owned a Clem and a Roadeo so I have crossed over some
boundaries. Hope to still be riding a Rivendell in my "golden, golden
The Allrounder...My era and still my only Riv. Frankly, recent models are
less interesting to me but perhaps if I lived in the Walnut Creek area I
would think differently. I still occasionally lust after a Legolas and the
Hunqapillar is a model I have a soft spot for.
Precursor Era!
I have a 1999 Bontrager set up as you describe. 9/8 steerer, but still
pretty short headtube. It's my fastest bike, faster than the LeMond with
30mm GP2000s, but can still get into the dirt. The only thing I'd change
would be to add a dropper post. I guess that would be a
My first Riv was an orange canti post Hillborne that must have been some
sort of prototype or something because it did not have a serial number on
the bottom bracket. I bought the frame when they had some sale years ago,
so I guess I'm in the double top tube category even though I'm too short
Prequel / Proto-proto / Embryo... There is nothing in Rivendell's current
lineup that excites me nearly as much as my 1993 Bridgestone MB-1 that I
converted to high flared drop bars (basically recreating the 1987 cockpit) and
shoed with extralight Compass tires. If I were to try to improve on
I just re-read the chart. I had misread one Latin subspecies as "Nomine
Horribilis," which I thought was funny-but-mean.
"The Age of the Terrible Names" seemed like some scientific subjectivity
right there.
"Nomine Homonidus."
Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at
I discovered Rivendell during the Golden Age, and thus the first Rivs I
desired were mainly Quickbeams and Rambouillets, but I also saw a lot of
value in the "country bike" concept of the Saluki and Homer, and later
built up a Surly LHT along those lines. I couldn't afford my first Riv (a
NOS
I guess I'm a 2TTer by epoch, though I really didn't care for the double
top tubes when I first saw them. Then we got to the diagatube which I
couldn't tell if I liked or not but eventually settled on liking, and now
we have the bridge truss curved second tubes, and I love those. I got back
Mostly a 2TTer.
First Riv was a 2TT Blue head tube Hillborne - sold when I bought an
orange metalflake 2TT Hillborne.
Also have a diagatube and tentacled Bombadil, diagatube and tentacled
Mystery Bike / Protopaloosa, Roscoe Bubbe V1 frame number 7, Roscoe Bubbe
Medium Mountain Mixte,
While a "Golden Ager" in Rivendell ownership, marked by my Rambouillet, I
was pre-proto as a Bridgestone dealer and owner with my RB-1, XO-2 and
MB-0. Grant converted me to Riv and my orange Ram when I faced a custom
need on a production schedule and he told me about them.
Andy Cheatham
Golden ager for sure... My Saluki is exactly what a bike 'should' look and ride
like to me. Probably because that's what Just Ride told me! :)
I fully admire - and have financially supported with my only two new bike
purchases - the Clem/HHH functionality. Probably the two most useful bikes
I think I became a fan in the golden age,
But my first purchase was a hunq... then a 2tt sam. So maybe I’m that. Im
probably that.
Then again, I now have a 2000 Toyota Atlantis and a 2017 musa Atlantis (they
live hundreds of miles apart) and a Roscoe mixte with a crust cargo fork on it.
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Oops. Heron was a brainfart for Homer!
Philip
Santa Rosa,CA
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That’s awesome.
I love a good chart.
Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
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I'd also like to suggest that 2TTer is a great name for the epoch whether one actually rides a frame with 2 two top tubes or not.-Original Message-
From: dougP
Sent: Sep 26, 2018 7:54 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?
Philip:I first hear
time.
-Original Message-
>From: Philip Williamson
>Sent: Sep 26, 2018 8:54 PM
>To: RBW Owners Bunch
>Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?
>
>I left out the Atlantis because it spans epochs! Not so much the coelocanth as
>an aurochs, only recently supersed
ute beauty and not give it a second thought.-Jim W. (who was a Bridgestone nut since 1991 and joined Riv in year 1, but didn't get my first Riv bike until 2001 Atlantis)-Original Message-
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Sent: Sep 26, 2018 7:54 PM
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Subject: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?
I got my Homer in 2011, missed out on the early epochs. I also have a MUSA
Atlantis II, but I'd love an older Mixte some day. I really love the early
models, they'll always be the true Rivendell's. I have to admit I never saw
the need of twin top tubes, especially in stout steel tubing. I also
Golden age, especially the orange Rambouillet. And the Atlantis of that
era. But I love all Rivendells, both yesterday and today.
Evan
San Francisco, CA
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NOW I understand. Thanks for clearifying, Philip.
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 8:54:21 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson
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> I left out the Atlantis because it spans epochs! Not so much the
> coelocanth as an aurochs, only recently superseded.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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I left out the Atlantis because it spans epochs! Not so much the coelocanth as
an aurochs, only recently superseded.
Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
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I didn't learn about Rivendell until 2011 and the bikes that appeal the
most to me were already around: Bombadil, Hunqapillar and 26" wheel
Atlantis. I don't care for the double top-tubes and my sizes in those
bikes (at least the prototype Bombadil) are all single top-tubers.
On
Mongoloid
On 9/26/18, dougP wrote:
> Philip:
>
> I first hear of Rivendell when Adventure Cycling reviewed the Atlantis. At
>
> that time I was researching touring bikes, finding bikes that needed
> changes to suit my needs. The reviewer for Adventure Cycling wrote to the
> effect that "if
Philip:
I first hear of Rivendell when Adventure Cycling reviewed the Atlantis. At
that time I was researching touring bikes, finding bikes that needed
changes to suit my needs. The reviewer for Adventure Cycling wrote to the
effect that "if you're looking for a purpose built touring bike
Goldie right here. Love my orange 68 Ram, despite its shortcomings. I'd add
a 67cm sage green Legolas if I could..
I could also backwards-compute to a protozoa and accept a 700c All-Rounder
with that dead sexy headbadge. Yes please!
KJ
On Wednesday, September 26, 2018 at 4:55:34 PM UTC-7,
2TTer...have a diagatube Hunq. Love double top tubes.
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