RDA Exercise
A patron asked us to correct a typo in the title page of his
dissertation. The rules are quite clear
on how to handle this situation: transcribe the title page title in 245 and
record the corrected title in 246. But
246 is defined as Varying Form of Title, and a corrected typo is
I guess my attitude is a bit different. I want to make it clear that
there's no attempt on my part to cause trouble, but ...
This is one of the problems with RDA. We didn't connect with non-library
employed users to find out their perspective. I would interpret this
request to mean that the
I agree with this as it is not just the catalog that matters. A thesis or
dissertation is a permanent item for the person who toiled for many years
toward that. So s/he wants it to be as accurate as can be. Let the Grad school
fix the error before it is cataloged.
--angelina
Angelina Joseph
Where in RDA would I find the following information:
I have a question about the carrier term for unbound quires or fragments of
manuscripts. A codex=a volume; a sheet=leaves as letters, documents, loose
leaves from a volume. What is the term for quires not yet bound or separated
from a volume
As far as I understand it, you transcribe what you see.
Just had one of those. Title was Upnashads. The record also had a 246.
The whole point of a catalog is get the patron to the work he/she wants or
is seeking, or may find while doing a browse by title on the computer.
Do we want to help the
I still don't understand why the JSC saw fit to get rid of the device, [sic]
,for bringing gattention to known typos or other minor mistakes in the title.
I think most users understand what it means, even the ones who don't know Latin.
--Ben
Benjamin Abrahamse
Cataloging Coordinator
The RDA definition of volume requires that the sheets be bound or fastened
together. If you do not believe that this applies, then I would use sheet as
the carrier type. I would probably describe the extent in terms of leaves or
pages, and I would definitely make a note describing the unbound
I think though that what needs to guide catalogers in this case is that the
student who wrote the dissertation is asking for a typo correction. The
rest of the equation such as a (sic) or a 246 is only valid as long as the
student doesn't find the typo important. In this case the student does so I
This is a rule discussion derived from the issue. It is between catalogers.
No indication to quote the rule to the student.
Thanks,
Joan Wang
Illinois Heartland Library System
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Jerri Swinehart swine...@oakland.eduwrote:
I think though that what needs to guide
Hello, everyone.
What about the basic question that was asked? Why is the corrected version of
any 245 with an error put in the MARC field 246 rather than in the 240? The
246 represents varying forms of the title, yes, but the title of the work is
really the corrected version, isn't it? And
I agree with Jenifer's favoring 240 over 246 for the proper form of title.
In support, check out n 84105541 in OCLC NAF:
1001 Morley, Thomas, ǂd 1557-1603? ǂt Plaine and easie introduction to
practicall musicke
4001 Morley, Thomas, ǂd 1557-1603? ǂt Plain and easy introduction to practical
And this example is a reflection of orthographic reform. Does it fit the
question asked?
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:03 AM, McRae, Rick rmc...@esm.rochester.eduwrote:
I agree with Jenifer's favoring 240 over 246 for the proper form of title.
In support, check out n 84105541 in OCLC NAF:
On 07/03/2013 18:49, Jenifer K Marquardt wrote:
snip
Hello, everyone.
What about the basic question that was asked? Why is the corrected version
of any 245 with an error put in the MARC field 246 rather than in the 240?
The 246 represents varying forms of the title, yes, but the title of
Just looking at the question practically: wouldn't using a 240 instead of a
246--though perhaps correct from the standpoint of RDA--require more
authority work? And, since most libraries index 130, 24x, and most of the 7xx
fields together in their title index, would that work be worth the
You might also consider using form and genre terms in655. AAT has both "unbound" and "gatherings (gathered matter components)" available for use. They could even be combined. I'm well aware that the current generation of systems do not handle faceting particularly well, but it is useful to
Ben said:
I still don't understand why the JSC saw fit to get rid of the
device, [sic] ,for bringing attention to known typos or other
minor mistakes in the title. I think most users understand what it
means, even the ones who don't know Latin.
Ben, I agree with you absolutely that removing the
Jenifer asked:
Why is the corrected version of any 245 with an error put in the MARC
field 246 rather than in the 240?
There is one very practical reason. All of our clients index 246.
Many do not index 240 because of the useless ones for indexes (e.g.,
Works ...). Some clients ask that
Rita asked:
What is the term for quires not yet bound or separated from a volume
over time?
If we are describing the original item with a note of what the cleint
has from it, volume. If we are describing just what they have,
sheet.
__ __ J. McRee (Mac) Elrod (m...@slc.bc.ca)
In Bib. Format Standards, the section under field 246, 2nd Indicator
blank, use for corrected forms of titles has an example for correction
of mis-spelling, so it does not appear to me there is a problem here.
Even if it goes beyond the spelling out or not of a word, it's still a
variation from
In case anyone has mentioned this in their training material .
Bill
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On 3/7/2013 9:47 AM, Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org wrote:
This is a rule discussion derived from the issue. It is between
catalogers. No indication to quote the rule to the student.
Might you not find this patron/student asking you to explain *why* you
are refusing to make the
It seems to me there are two separate issues here.
The first has to do with letting the student/institution correct the title
and re-issue the resource. That would happen outside the cataloging
process and RDA doesn't really come into play. (I suppose technically this
would be a new
RDA-L readers,
Jenifer Marquardt asked Why is the corrected version of any 245 with an error
put in the MARC field 246 rather than in the 240?
Field 240, Uniform Title, is always associated with a 1XX field. If no 1XX
field is present, the data is tagged 130. Thus, field 240 is always an
All I am saying is about a title with wrong spellings in a manifestation.
This is an issue derived from the mentioned thesis. I do not have any
offense on the solution of correcting the title through Graduate Office.
The thing also could happen in other cases in addition to a thesis. Does
that
Perhaps this is a silly question, but suppose the title were repeated
elsewhere in the resource (say, t.p. verso), could that form be used and
the typo-d form on the t.p. disregarded altogether (or referenced in a
246 with a $i indicating its source)?
Thanks, Jasmin
Jasmin Nof
Hebraica
Not to dwell on this overmuch, but, in response to Ian's:
Field 240, Uniform Title, is always associated with a 1XX field. If no 1XX
field is present, the data is tagged 130. Thus, field 240 is always an
appendage to an *author* field, a name heading plus uniform title (in
AACR2-speak), that
Not to continue to beat a horse I suspect is already dead, but sic is not the
same type of Latin abbreviation as the s.l. or et al. of blessed recent
memory.
In point of fact, it appears in most English dictionaries including Webster's
and the OED, the latter of which defines it as, A
MARC field 245 is for identifying the *manifestation* (RDA 2.3). You use what
is found on the preferred source of the manifestation, typos and all.
You also need to identify the *work* (RDA 6.2). In our current environment,
for the typical book (including dissertations) that's going to have a
I come to the collective wisdom looking for guidance.
I have cataloged this record according to RDA standards (I hope!). What
troubles me is the 710 for Polaroid Collections. I have no idea what to use
for the subfield $e except perhaps contributor, and that doesn't seem
correct. The term
Kevin said:
In this case under discussion, there IS a difference between the
manifestation and the preferred title of the work, so 240 should be
used.
The function of a 240 is to unite manifestions of works/expressions
with differingn titles. If this is the only manifestation, we would
not
I don't believe there is any relationship designator yet defined in RDA
appropriate for this particular relationship (and lots of others). The place
this relationship fits into is I.2.2 (Relationship Designators for Other
Persons, Families, or Corporate Bodies Associated with a Work). Not
In looking at the examples in RDA 19.3.1.3 for Other Person, Family or
Corporate Body Associated with a Work there are several instances where a
specific relationship designator is not in the initial phrasing for the example.
So when one sees Authorized access point representing the dedicatee
Mac Elrod wrote:
Kevin said:
In this case under discussion, there IS a difference between the
manifestation and the preferred title of the work, so 240 should be
used.
The function of a 240 is to unite manifestions of works/expressions
with differingn titles. If this is the only
Thomas said: The basic problem is then thrown back to MARC where one has an
undifferentiated 710 field (corporate body could be a creator, other
associated with the work, contributor, publisher, etc. - none of these
top-level relationship elements are in the list of designators).
Creator,
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