The second example in RDA 18.5.1.3, Recording Relationship Designators reads
as follows:
film producer
film director
actor
composer (expression)
Relationship designators recorded in conjunction with the authorized access
point representing Clint Eastwood as producer, director, actor, and
*From: *Benjamin A Abrahamse babra...@mit.edu
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The second example in RDA 18.5.1.3, Recording Relationship
Designators reads
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[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind
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| *From: *Benjamin A Abrahamse babra...@mit.edu
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| The second example
A Abrahamse babra...@mit.edu
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| I guess my follow-up question would be: are users really going to get
| that, in a way that would be useful to them
On 10/9/2012 12:37 PM, JOHN C ATTIG wrote:
I would not focus too much on whether the relationship applies to all
expressions of the work. If the relationship involves the realization
rather than the creation of the work, then it is an expression-level
relationship.
The problem with this is
@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Benjamin A Abrahamse
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I guess my follow-up question would be: are users really going to get that, in
a way that would be useful
I may be sorry that I stopped lurking ...
I catalog music. The idea of composer (expression) is not something
that makes sense. The pieces of music that make up the sound track of
a movie or a musical are considered to be (usually) separate pieces of
music that can also stand on their own. So
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The second example in RDA 18.5.1.3, Recording
] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3
| I may be sorry that I stopped lurking ...
| I catalog music. The idea of composer (expression) is not something
| that makes sense. The pieces of music that make up the sound track of
| a movie or a musical are considered to be (usually) separate pieces
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:08 PM, JOHN C ATTIG jx...@psu.edu wrote:
To me, it makes sense to say that Mozart composed the Jupiter Symphony, but
it does not make sense to say that Clint Eastwood composed Million Dollar
Baby.
Actually in the authority work for music ... one must identify who it
-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of JOHN C ATTIG
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To me, it makes sense to say that Mozart composed the Jupiter Symphony, but it
does not make sense to say that Clint Eastwood
Gene Fieg wrote:
I am beginning to wonder if RDA is more of a code for catalogers than for
users.
The relationship designators are not all necessarily designed to be displayed
as is to catalog users. They are designed to identify the exact
relationships between elements in the basic
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To me, it makes sense to say that Mozart composed
Of Jonathan Rochkind
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On 10/9/2012 12:37 PM, JOHN C ATTIG wrote:
I would not focus too much on whether the relationship applies to all
expressions of the work
, October 9, 2012 1:32:19 PM
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| John,
| I apologize for continuing to harp on this but I'm still having a bit
| of trouble understanding it fully.
| In your initial email response to me (thanks!) you stated Eastwood
| gets composer (expression
Benjamin Abrahamse wrote:
In your initial email response to me (thanks!) you stated Eastwood gets
composer (expression),
because the music is simply one aspect of the realization of the moving-
image work . Likewise you later clarified, assign relationships as
expression-level,[i]f the
] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall
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Benjamin Abrahamse wrote:
In your initial email response to me (thanks!) you stated Eastwood
gets composer (expression
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Benjamin Abrahamse wrote:
In your initial email response to me (thanks!) you stated Eastwood
gets composer (expression),
because the music is simply one aspect of the realization of the
moving
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[mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall
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| Let's see here. I recently subscribed to KUSC and my gift for giving
| was music from movies, whether originally composed for the movies or
| not. Perhaps, it would be catalogued as a collection of music, but
| then how would you
.
John Attig
Authority Control Librarian
Penn State University
jx...@psu.edu
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Let's
John wrote:
“RDA defines the screenwriter as a creator -- one of the few creator
relationships applicable to a moving-image work -- and this is hotly contested.
RDA considers a screenwriter to be a sub-category of author and authors are
by definition creators. In my opinion, that doesn't
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| From: Joan Wang jw...@illinoisheartland.org
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| John
| I am sorry. Do you mean a collection of music or just a movie music?
| Also do you mean
discussion
involve mixed responsibility.
John
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| From: Deborah Fritz debo...@marcofquality.com
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| Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:41:37 PM
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| John wrote:
| “ RDA defines
No, but, see, the definition of composer (expression) DOES acknowledge
what it means to be linked to the _expression_. Thanks to whoever
pointed that out:
by adding music to a work that originally lacked it, by composing new
music to substitute for the original music, or by composing new
: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3
No, but, see, the definition of composer (expression) DOES acknowledge what
it means to be linked to the _expression_. Thanks to whoever pointed that out:
by adding music to a work that originally lacked it, by composing new music
to substitute
Personally, I think it was a confusing mistake to list relator roles as
entity-specific, such as composer (expression) (and a corresponding
strangely ommitted composer (work) in this case). There should have been
a list of roles (composer, screenwriter, etc), that are
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