[Repeater-Builder] Re: wouxun
Since you have both, can you shed some light on the differences between the KG-UVD1P KG-UVD2D? I have been on contact with Ed Griffin from wouxun.us. He actually does respond to email questions. When I asked him something similar, he explained: First there was the KG-UVD1, in which 1750 Hz call tone was weak. Then there was the KG-UVD1P (first generation) which had short DTMF tones. Then there was the KG-UVD1P (second generation) which had the longer DTMF tones and continues to be in production. The KG-UVD2 is the same as the 2nd generation KG-UVD1P, just the case is slightly different. Chargers, battaries, microphones are exchangable. I measured a first-generation 1P and a 2. One of the radios has serial J06-6587. J means 2010, 06 means June. There are a few wouxun groups on yahoogroups on which there's a lot of activity. Geert Jan
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Yes, it can run split tone/code. I tried it to confirm it. But, it will not run both tone *and* code at the same time. If you select one, it 'zeroes out' the other. Joe M. n...@no6b.com wrote: I see from the manual that the TX RX CTCSS frequency settings are separate. I'm wondering if this HT can really run split tone (encode decode separate CTCSS freqs.). Simply having separate settings is by no means an indication that it can, since my Kenwood TM-G707 has separate settings but the RX CTCSS tone only affects what tone is used for BOTH encode decode when in CTCSS squelch mode (as opposed to encode only). Anyone here actually have one that they could try?
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
Well, some will be appliance operators, but a few will take an interest and become the future of ham radio. We need the head count to keep our hobby alive and well. I've seen many new hams that had no background in electronics get their ticket by memorizing the test. They then dove into the hobby and became true assets to the hobby. Others just like to talk, and that's OK too. I guess I'm and optimist. Oh, I've been doing this ham radio since 1958, so I think I can say the above with some creditability. Welcome to all the new hams, no matter how you got your ticket. 73, Joe, K1ike On 8/31/2010 1:21 AM, Barry wrote: Much the same on the base permit here in Au but what do I know after 30+ years of yabering To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: glennmaill...@bellsouth.net Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:09:42 -0400 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio Welcome to the new hams that are taught the test and have no idea what the questions mean. 73 Glenn WB4UIV Ham of the old school. Had to draw schematics and understand what they were about to get my license.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
This year I am giving time to Jota and a 60ft tower and an ft857 and a gallon etc etc still I was a scout once roughing it out there is eating my fill and calling cq in the middle of the bush :) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: k1ike_m...@snet.net Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:51:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio Well, some will be appliance operators, but a few will take an interest and become the future of ham radio. We need the head count to keep our hobby alive and well. I've seen many new hams that had no background in electronics get their ticket by memorizing the test. They then dove into the hobby and became true assets to the hobby. Others just like to talk, and that's OK too. I guess I'm and optimist. Oh, I've been doing this ham radio since 1958, so I think I can say the above with some creditability. Welcome to all the new hams, no matter how you got your ticket. 73, Joe, K1ike On 8/31/2010 1:21 AM, Barry wrote: Much the same on the base permit here in Au but what do I know after 30+ years of yabering To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: glennmaill...@bellsouth.net Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:09:42 -0400 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio Welcome to the new hams that are taught the test and have no idea what the questions mean. 73 Glenn WB4UIV Ham of the old school. Had to draw schematics and understand what they were about to get my license.
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If hams are being taught the test, given an exam, and then turned loose,
you get what you deserve... a bunch of untrained, undisciplined folks
who are of very little use (and possibly a determent) to the hobby. For
the clubs that are doing that, shame on them.
We've been doing ham-crams for over a year and have licensed well over
130 new hams. NONE of them have been turned loose and left to flounder
and NONE of them have turned out to be bad hams. Some of them were more
'challenging' than others but they all learn the right way to do things
with proper mentoring. Many of them are First Responders, so they are
already familiar with using the radios. We have to teach them the
theory BEHIND the microphone and deprogram them from using their
'normal' protocols when the pick up the amateur radio microphone, but it
all comes with time.
When I first joined my club 8 years ago, we had 6 or 7 people showing up
to the meetings. We now have 80+ paid members with 45 - 50 showing up
at each meeting. We've put up two new repeaters, become charter members
of a 2-meter Intertie system, have a D-STAR system in the works, added
APRS WX to one repeater site along with a WX Receiver/Warning System.
We're far from perfect, but we've come a LONG way through the
application of a little sweat-equity.
73,
Mike
WM4B
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Joe wrote:
Well, some will be appliance operators, but a few will take an
interest and become the future of ham radio. We need the head
count to keep our hobby alive and well. I've seen many new hams
that had no background in electronics get their ticket by memorizing
the test. They then dove into the hobby and became true assets to
the hobby. Others just like to talk, and that's OK too. I guess
I'm and optimist.
Oh, I've been doing this ham radio since 1958, so I think I can say
the above with some creditability.
Welcome to all the new hams, no matter how you got your ticket.
73, Joe, K1ike
On 8/31/2010 1:21 AM, Barry wrote: Much the same on the base permit here
in Au
but what do I know after 30+ years of yabering
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
Is it really necessary to have over 1800 lines of text in a reply message? The poster only added a 2 line comment for 1800 lines of total message text, and those of us who are on digest have a hell of a time just scrolling through to get the meat of the messages. God help anyone who tried to pick it up on a mobile device. This last digest had over 7300 lines of text for only 25 messages. Most messages had 12 or less lines of new content, and it seems that the ones with the smallest new content forwarded the most leftover crap. Don't get me wrong, I've followed this list for years and really enjoy the discussions, but really? Help a guy out! Clip off the replies-to-replies-to-replies! 73, Rod N1FNE
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
On 8/30/2010 11:50 PM, terry dalpoas wrote: Thanks Steve, that answered my question. I did not mean to start such a big discussion on this. The only reason I asked about the radio was some local hams said that they could not be used unless the radio is FCC approved. I told them that it did not matter whether it was approved or not (because home built equipment is not approved, and there's a lot of modified equipment on the bands), just as long as the transmitters are clean and do not cause interference and is ONLY transmitted on amateur frequencies, no commercial or public safety. I just wanted to verify what my belief was. Terry, KM5UQ I can't believe that there are so many that think ham rigs have to be type-accepted. The only testing is Part 15 testing that applies to any electronic equipment that might generate RF signals, including receivers, computers, etc. And it does not apply to home-made or kit radios. I'm not sure exactly how it's worded, but while Kenwood, Icom, etc have to have Part 15 testing, you making something in your basement do not. Now, maybe these Chinese radios don't have Part 15 approval? From: sbjohns...@aol.comsbjohns...@aol.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 8:40:33 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio The original question was I saw some dual band portables on eBay, new for about $100, made by Wouxun. I doubt very much they are FCC type accepted. Is it okay to use these on amateur frequencies? There is NO requirement for hams to use only type-accepted equipment in the ham bands. You can build your own gear, modify any equipment, use commercially made gear of any kind, etc. Go for it if ... that's one of the main points of amateur radio. Steve sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ seriously ridiculous amount of snippage!!! C'mon folks!
[Repeater-Builder] Re: wouxun
Also saw a posting on e-ham that indicated only -30 dBc on harmonic spurious for the UHF side (I assume that's 2nd harmonic). I have an early KG-UVD1P (short DTMF burst) and an KG-UVD2D and can confirm this is not the case on neither radio, I measured -60dBc which makes them legal here. 73, Geert Jan PE1HZG
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
Hello Repeater-Builder Group! IMHO, in the spirit of this GROUP, let's build some repeaters and send the Wouxun handy/talkie Radio discussion over to a young, growing GROUP devoted to that radio: wouxun_kg-uvd1p-subscr...@yahoogroups.com '73 kc5ozh It is not the class of license the Amateur holds, but the class of the Amateur that holds the license. Charles Mumphrey Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh Repeater System: Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2 Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2 Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9 Rowlett III: 147.390 + 85.4 KC5OZH-R EchoLink Node: 350616 K5FER-L EchoLink Node: 394575 Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 808 ARO-Equipment http://www.CharliesElectronics.com
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
Come on guys. Is it really necessary to quote the whole Digest when replying to a thread? Ever heard of snip? This morning, digest #7424 was 183kb, 139 pages long! Jeesh!!! Al, K9SI
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: wouxun
At 8/31/2010 07:12, you wrote: Also saw a posting on e-ham that indicated only -30 dBc on harmonic spurious for the UHF side (I assume that's 2nd harmonic). I have an early KG-UVD1P (short DTMF burst) and an KG-UVD2D and can confirm this is not the case on neither radio, I measured -60dBc which makes them legal here. Good to know that the harmonic spurious is the same on VHF UHF - thanks. Since you have both, can you shed some light on the differences between the KG-UVD1P KG-UVD2D? Bob NO6B
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
It is very funny to me that the cheap Wouxun and Puxing radios have features found on commercial gear. Such a simple thing as reverse burst is added into this cheap radio, but yet our over priced ham rigs don't even offer DPL half the time. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ralph Mowery ku...@... wrote: Just about anything around $ 100 or less is a 'throw-away' when it quits on you if you can not fix it yourself. It will often cost that much for any repair. A few years back a local called about getting the dial lights replaced on a transceiver and that was around $ 50 not counting the shipping. Several in the local club have the dual band (144/440) versions and like them. Only negative thing I have seen is that while you are transmitting on one band, you can not receive on the other band at the same time. They do say to get the softwear programming and cable to make it easy. From: James Lee moto_t...@... To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 7:47:52 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio I had one in my hands last week at a Hamfest in Gainsville, Texas. They are quite impressive. I have a strong hunch they are throw-away in nature when they die. Time will tell. If I needed a dual bander for ham use, I would give one a try. Jim WB4GWX/AAV6UX
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
Glen, Seems that this may be dependent on the radios manufacture date What is the production number of your Vhf/220 unit? Regards. Steve --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Little WB4UIV glennmaill...@... wrote: Mine will do 5.00, 6.25, 10.00, 12.50, 25.00, 50.00 and 100.00 KHz. 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 09:35 PM 8/29/2010, you wrote: John (et all) - Is the 1.25M version capable of 20 kHz steps? The spec sheet makes it look like it can only do 12.5 or 25 kHz steps. - JimF K6IYK At 8/29/2010 06:06 PM, k7ve wrote: 3e. Re: Wouxun Radio Posted by: John D. Hays j...@... k7ve Date: Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:29 pm ((PDT)) I bought the 2m/1.25cm version from http://wouxun.us/ at Dayton this year to give me a 222 mHz handheld, it has been working great, including surviving a 3 foot drop to concrete :) --- it operates 5W on 2m and 4W on 1.25m. (I prefer dealing with a US distributor vs. an Ebay Hong Kong dealer.) -- John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE http://k7ve.org PO Box 1223 Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@... sip:j...@... mailto:j...@... James T. Fortney j...@... Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
I can't speak for any Wouxun radio, but I have tested at least a dozen Puxing VHF radios, and none of them had reverse burst encode or decode. Besides, the CTCSS tones were sloppy and nothing like a pure sine wave one should expect in a professional radio. The Puxing PX777, in particular, sets the low point in cheap radio quality. Check out my Technical Assessment in the Files section of the Puxing777 Group. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kc7stw Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 11:37 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio It is very funny to me that the cheap Wouxun and Puxing radios have features found on commercial gear. Such a simple thing as reverse burst is added into this cheap radio, but yet our over priced ham rigs don't even offer DPL half the time. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Ralph Mowery ku...@... wrote: Just about anything around $ 100 or less is a 'throw-away' when it quits on you if you can not fix it yourself. It will often cost that much for any repair. A few years back a local called about getting the dial lights replaced on a transceiver and that was around $ 50 not counting the shipping. Several in the local club have the dual band (144/440) versions and like them. Only negative thing I have seen is that while you are transmitting on one band, you can not receive on the other band at the same time. They do say to get the softwear programming and cable to make it easy.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
I see from the manual that the TX RX CTCSS frequency settings are separate. I'm wondering if this HT can really run split tone (encode decode separate CTCSS freqs.). Simply having separate settings is by no means an indication that it can, since my Kenwood TM-G707 has separate settings but the RX CTCSS tone only affects what tone is used for BOTH encode decode when in CTCSS squelch mode (as opposed to encode only). Anyone here actually have one that they could try? Also saw a posting on e-ham that indicated only -30 dBc on harmonic spurious for the UHF side (I assume that's 2nd harmonic). Bob NO6B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
Do not know the date. The serial number is J07-7405. I got mine a week ago. 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 09:25 AM 8/30/2010, you wrote: Glen, Seems that this may be dependent on the radios manufacture date What is the production number of your Vhf/220 unit? Regards. Steve --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Little WB4UIV glennmaill...@... wrote: Mine will do 5.00, 6.25, 10.00, 12.50, 25.00, 50.00 and 100.00 KHz. 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 09:35 PM 8/29/2010, you wrote: John (et all) - Is the 1.25M version capable of 20 kHz steps? The spec sheet makes it look like it can only do 12.5 or 25 kHz steps. - JimF K6IYK At 8/29/2010 06:06 PM, k7ve wrote: 3e. Re: Wouxun Radio Posted by: John D. Hays j...@... k7ve Date: Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:29 pm ((PDT)) I bought the 2m/1.25cm version from http://wouxun.us/ at Dayton this year to give me a 222 mHz handheld, it has been working great, including surviving a 3 foot drop to concrete :) --- it operates 5W on 2m and 4W on 1.25m. (I prefer dealing with a US distributor vs. an Ebay Hong Kong dealer.) -- John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE http://k7ve.org PO Box 1223 Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@... sip:j...@... mailto:j...@... James T. Fortney j...@... Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
Terry, I wondered the same question about a year ago and discovered that they are type-accepted. Not that I would allow one on a system that I was in charge of for PS work. I looked on the FCC website and saw that they were... There is nothing saying that they can't be used on a HAM system though. Hope this helps, Phil KK6PE --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, terry dalpoas km...@... wrote: This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. I saw some dual band portables on eBay, new for about $100, made by Wouxun. I doubt very much they are FCC type accepted. Is it okay to use these on amateur frequencies? Thanks in advance. Terry, KM5UQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
Phil, What FCC identification number did you use to find the Wouxun listing on the FCC site? I tried both the name and the model number, but came up with no listing at all. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kg6ziu Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:38 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio Terry, I wondered the same question about a year ago and discovered that they are type-accepted. Not that I would allow one on a system that I was in charge of for PS work. I looked on the FCC website and saw that they were... There is nothing saying that they can't be used on a HAM system though. Hope this helps, Phil KK6PE --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , terry dalpoas km...@... wrote: This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. I saw some dual band portables on eBay, new for about $100, made by Wouxun. I doubt very much they are FCC type accepted. Is it okay to use these on amateur frequencies? Thanks in advance. Terry, KM5UQ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
What I see is they type accepted a radio that looks like that one but the type acceptance number issued does not necessarily mean the Ebay radios are unless they bear the type acceptance label... There are many models and not all may be approved... However... in any case.. if you are the importer for your own amateur radio use... Emissions are your amateur responsibility...ultimately... as we can build or modify whatever we want as long as our emissions are appropriate...re-selling without any type acceptance would seem to be questionable.. My hamfest committee thought about giving them out as hourly prizes... and my caution to them was own use vs distribution are 2 different issues on a non amateur type accepted radio.. If THESE particular one do have part 90 labels.. then using them on amateur ok and is a moot point.. distribution or otherwise.. but if they do not have labels.. using for own use would seem to be the limit.. as selling un-certified radios or even giving them away would seem to be not legal... I would be glad to hear if someone has purchased from one of these dealers and they ARE bearing part 90 labels... then my hamfest committee would be ok.. Doug KD8B On 8/29/2010 11:54 AM, Eric Lemmon wrote: Phil, What FCC identification number did you use to find the Wouxun listing on the FCC site? I tried both the name and the model number, but came up with no listing at all. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kg6ziu Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:38 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio Terry, I wondered the same question about a year ago and discovered that they are type-accepted. Not that I would allow one on a system that I was in charge of for PS work. I looked on the FCC website and saw that they were... There is nothing saying that they can't be used on a HAM system though. Hope this helps, Phil KK6PE --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , terry dalpoas km...@... wrote: This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. I saw some dual band portables on eBay, new for about $100, made by Wouxun. I doubt very much they are FCC type accepted. Is it okay to use these on amateur frequencies? Thanks in advance. Terry, KM5UQ .
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
Doug, You make some very good points, but let's not forget that the proof of FCC approval is not merely a paper label stuck on the radio; there must be a TCB or TA grant published on the OET Web site that lists that specific radio by model number, emission, and frequency range. The FCC is currently investigating the influx from China of cheap portables bearing Puxing, Linton, HYT, and Wouxon brands- some of which have labels that read FCC TYPE ACCEPTED but without an FCC ID number, and no basis in fact of receiving a grant. Indeed, some of these radios share the same internals even though the outside cases are different. On the other hand, one particular brand and model may have different internals. I have a Puxing 777 that has a completely different mainboard from a friend's Puxing 777. We agree that licensed Amateur operators may use these cheap radios on Amateur frequencies without any legal issues. But, the notion that they may be used in Public Safety applications is disquieting. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Bade Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:11 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio What I see is they type accepted a radio that looks like that one but the type acceptance number issued does not necessarily mean the Ebay radios are unless they bear the type acceptance label... There are many models and not all may be approved... However... in any case.. if you are the importer for your own amateur radio use... Emissions are your amateur responsibility...ultimately... as we can build or modify whatever we want as long as our emissions are appropriate...re-selling without any type acceptance would seem to be questionable.. My hamfest committee thought about giving them out as hourly prizes... and my caution to them was own use vs distribution are 2 different issues on a non amateur type accepted radio.. If THESE particular one do have part 90 labels.. then using them on amateur ok and is a moot point.. distribution or otherwise.. but if they do not have labels.. using for own use would seem to be the limit.. as selling un-certified radios or even giving them away would seem to be not legal... I would be glad to hear if someone has purchased from one of these dealers and they ARE bearing part 90 labels... then my hamfest committee would be ok.. Doug KD8B On 8/29/2010 11:54 AM, Eric Lemmon wrote: Phil, What FCC identification number did you use to find the Wouxun listing on the FCC site? I tried both the name and the model number, but came up with no listing at all. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of kg6ziu Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:38 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio Terry, I wondered the same question about a year ago and discovered that they are type-accepted. Not that I would allow one on a system that I was in charge of for PS work. I looked on the FCC website and saw that they were... There is nothing saying that they can't be used on a HAM system though. Hope this helps, Phil KK6PE --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , terry dalpoas km...@... mailto:km...@... wrote: This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. I saw some dual band portables on eBay, new for about $100, made by Wouxun. I doubt very much they are FCC type accepted. Is it okay to use these on amateur frequencies? Thanks in advance. Terry, KM5UQ . http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=104168/grpspId=1705063108/msgId= 103277/stime=1283097296/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio
Try this: FCC ID: WVTWOUXUN04 Wouxun model: KG-UVD1P CE FCC Approved http://www.wouxun.com/Two-Way-Radio/KG-UVD1P.htm 73 Charlie It is not the class of license the Amateur holds, but the class of the Amateur that holds the license. Charles Mumphrey Amateur Radio Station Kc5ozh Repeater System: Rowlett Main: 441.325 MHz + 162.2 Dallas: 441.950 MHz + 162.2 Rowlett II: 441.950 MHz + 110.9 Rowlett III: 147.390 + 85.4 KC5OZH-R EchoLink Node: 350616 K5FER-L EchoLink Node: 394575 Rowlett R.A.C.E.S. Unit 808 ARO-Equipment http://www.CharliesElectronics.com Original Message Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio From: Eric Lemmon wb6...@verizon.net Date: Sun, August 29, 2010 10:54 am To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Phil, What FCC identification number did you use to find the Wouxun listing on the FCC site? I tried both the name and the model number, but came up with no listing at all. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kg6ziu Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:38 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio Terry, I wondered the same question about a year ago and discovered that they are type-accepted. Not that I would allow one on a system that I was in charge of for PS work. I looked on the FCC website and saw that they were... There is nothing saying that they can't be used on a HAM system though. Hope this helps, Phil KK6PE --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , terry dalpoas km...@... wrote: This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. I saw some dual band portables on eBay, new for about $100, made by Wouxun. I doubt very much they are FCC type accepted. Is it okay to use these on amateur frequencies? Thanks in advance. Terry, KM5UQ
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I would not want to put one on PS or commercial freqs, amateur only. Would it be OK for amateur? The only reason I ask is I do not want to put my amateur and GROL licenses in jeopardy (worked way to hard for them) if I purchase one and transmit on amateur frequencies. For PS and commercial (only when doing maintenance on one of their systems), I only use FCC approved equipment. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon wb6...@... wrote: Doug, You make some very good points, but let's not forget that the proof of FCC approval is not merely a paper label stuck on the radio; there must be a TCB or TA grant published on the OET Web site that lists that specific radio by model number, emission, and frequency range. The FCC is currently investigating the influx from China of cheap portables bearing Puxing, Linton, HYT, and Wouxon brands- some of which have labels that read FCC TYPE ACCEPTED but without an FCC ID number, and no basis in fact of receiving a grant. Indeed, some of these radios share the same internals even though the outside cases are different. On the other hand, one particular brand and model may have different internals. I have a Puxing 777 that has a completely different mainboard from a friend's Puxing 777. We agree that licensed Amateur operators may use these cheap radios on Amateur frequencies without any legal issues. But, the notion that they may be used in Public Safety applications is disquieting. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Bade Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:11 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio What I see is they type accepted a radio that looks like that one but the type acceptance number issued does not necessarily mean the Ebay radios are unless they bear the type acceptance label... There are many models and not all may be approved... However... in any case.. if you are the importer for your own amateur radio use... Emissions are your amateur responsibility...ultimately... as we can build or modify whatever we want as long as our emissions are appropriate...re-selling without any type acceptance would seem to be questionable.. My hamfest committee thought about giving them out as hourly prizes... and my caution to them was own use vs distribution are 2 different issues on a non amateur type accepted radio.. If THESE particular one do have part 90 labels.. then using them on amateur ok and is a moot point.. distribution or otherwise.. but if they do not have labels.. using for own use would seem to be the limit.. as selling un-certified radios or even giving them away would seem to be not legal... I would be glad to hear if someone has purchased from one of these dealers and they ARE bearing part 90 labels... then my hamfest committee would be ok.. Doug KD8B On 8/29/2010 11:54 AM, Eric Lemmon wrote: Phil, What FCC identification number did you use to find the Wouxun listing on the FCC site? I tried both the name and the model number, but came up with no listing at all. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of kg6ziu Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:38 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio Terry, I wondered the same question about a year ago and discovered that they are type-accepted. Not that I would allow one on a system that I was in charge of for PS work. I looked on the FCC website and saw that they were... There is nothing saying that they can't be used on a HAM system though. Hope this helps, Phil KK6PE --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , terry dalpoas km5uq@ mailto:km5uq@ wrote: This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. I saw some dual band portables on eBay, new for about $100, made by Wouxun. I doubt very much they are FCC type accepted. Is it okay to use these on amateur frequencies? Thanks in advance. Terry, KM5UQ . http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=104168/grpspId=1705063108/msgId= 103277/stime=1283097296/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3
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The amateur regulations allow you to use any technologically suitable radio on amateur frequencies that meets the emission criterion of our regulations.. You are ultimately responsible for those emissions and quality thereof.. so in a word.. yes... they would be legal on amateur frequencies if you import it from wherever for you own use... The rub is that if you import them for sale.. then they need to be type accepted in amateur to sell to amateurs if manufactured and imported for that purpose... Own use... you bear that responsibility... any form for sale.. the manufacturer and importer do... If for sale for commercial LMR.. that is what we were talking about for Part 90.. rules... where ppart 90 hooks back to us Any radio that is sold with part 90 acceptance is considered technologically suitable for use in our part 97 rules...although you are still responsible for any extraneous emissions. Sorry .. big circle.. but hope it connects the dots were were discussing... Doug On 8/29/2010 1:49 PM, Terry wrote: I would not want to put one on PS or commercial freqs, amateur only. Would it be OK for amateur? The only reason I ask is I do not want to put my amateur and GROL licenses in jeopardy (worked way to hard for them) if I purchase one and transmit on amateur frequencies. For PS and commercial (only when doing maintenance on one of their systems), I only use FCC approved equipment. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon wb6...@... wrote: Doug, You make some very good points, but let's not forget that the proof of FCC approval is not merely a paper label stuck on the radio; there must be a TCB or TA grant published on the OET Web site that lists that specific radio by model number, emission, and frequency range. The FCC is currently investigating the influx from China of cheap portables bearing Puxing, Linton, HYT, and Wouxon brands- some of which have labels that read FCC TYPE ACCEPTED but without an FCC ID number, and no basis in fact of receiving a grant. Indeed, some of these radios share the same internals even though the outside cases are different. On the other hand, one particular brand and model may have different internals. I have a Puxing 777 that has a completely different mainboard from a friend's Puxing 777. We agree that licensed Amateur operators may use these cheap radios on Amateur frequencies without any legal issues. But, the notion that they may be used in Public Safety applications is disquieting. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Bade Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:11 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio What I see is they type accepted a radio that looks like that one but the type acceptance number issued does not necessarily mean the Ebay radios are unless they bear the type acceptance label... There are many models and not all may be approved... However... in any case.. if you are the importer for your own amateur radio use... Emissions are your amateur responsibility...ultimately... as we can build or modify whatever we want as long as our emissions are appropriate...re-selling without any type acceptance would seem to be questionable.. My hamfest committee thought about giving them out as hourly prizes... and my caution to them was own use vs distribution are 2 different issues on a non amateur type accepted radio.. If THESE particular one do have part 90 labels.. then using them on amateur ok and is a moot point.. distribution or otherwise.. but if they do not have labels.. using for own use would seem to be the limit.. as selling un-certified radios or even giving them away would seem to be not legal... I would be glad to hear if someone has purchased from one of these dealers and they ARE bearing part 90 labels... then my hamfest committee would be ok.. Doug KD8B On 8/29/2010 11:54 AM, Eric Lemmon wrote: Phil, What FCC identification number did you use to find the Wouxun listing on the FCC site? I tried both the name and the model number, but came up with no listing at all. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of kg6ziu Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:38 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re
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What is it that these licensed hams do not understand about using equipment in the ham bands??? You can build your own equipment (remember those days?). There is NO type acceptance for amateur equipment. There are limitations as to how much you can build or modify in a year to cut down on amateur equipment being used in other services (CB). There is no FCC approval for ham use. If commercially made it must meet part 15 requirements to be sold. QED 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 01:49 PM 8/29/2010, you wrote: I would not want to put one on PS or commercial freqs, amateur only. Would it be OK for amateur? The only reason I ask is I do not want to put my amateur and GROL licenses in jeopardy (worked way to hard for them) if I purchase one and transmit on amateur frequencies. For PS and commercial (only when doing maintenance on one of their systems), I only use FCC approved equipment. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon wb6...@... wrote: Doug, You make some very good points, but let's not forget that the proof of FCC approval is not merely a paper label stuck on the radio; there must be a TCB or TA grant published on the OET Web site that lists that specific radio by model number, emission, and frequency range. The FCC is currently investigating the influx from China of cheap portables bearing Puxing, Linton, HYT, and Wouxon brands- some of which have labels that read FCC TYPE ACCEPTED but without an FCC ID number, and no basis in fact of receiving a grant. Indeed, some of these radios share the same internals even though the outside cases are different. On the other hand, one particular brand and model may have different internals. I have a Puxing 777 that has a completely different mainboard from a friend's Puxing 777. We agree that licensed Amateur operators may use these cheap radios on Amateur frequencies without any legal issues. But, the notion that they may be used in Public Safety applications is disquieting. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Bade Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:11 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio What I see is they type accepted a radio that looks like that one but the type acceptance number issued does not necessarily mean the Ebay radios are unless they bear the type acceptance label... There are many models and not all may be approved... However... in any case.. if you are the importer for your own amateur radio use... Emissions are your amateur responsibility...ultimately... as we can build or modify whatever we want as long as our emissions are appropriate...re-selling without any type acceptance would seem to be questionable.. My hamfest committee thought about giving them out as hourly prizes... and my caution to them was own use vs distribution are 2 different issues on a non amateur type accepted radio.. If THESE particular one do have part 90 labels.. then using them on amateur ok and is a moot point.. distribution or otherwise.. but if they do not have labels.. using for own use would seem to be the limit.. as selling un-certified radios or even giving them away would seem to be not legal... I would be glad to hear if someone has purchased from one of these dealers and they ARE bearing part 90 labels... then my hamfest committee would be ok.. Doug KD8B On 8/29/2010 11:54 AM, Eric Lemmon wrote: Phil, What FCC identification number did you use to find the Wouxun listing on the FCC site? I tried both the name and the model number, but came up with no listing at all. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of kg6ziu Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:38 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio Terry, I wondered the same question about a year ago and discovered that they are type-accepted. Not that I would allow one on a system that I was in charge of for PS work. I looked on the FCC website and saw that they were... There is nothing saying that they can't be used on a HAM system though. Hope this helps, Phil KK6PE --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , terry dalpoas km5uq@ mailto:km5uq@ wrote: This may be a dumb question, but I'll
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Yes but depends where you are and at what license levelworld wide thing! D On 29/08/2010 20:01:41, Glenn Little WB4UIV (glennmaill...@bellsouth.net) wrote: What is it that these licensed hams do not understand about using equipment in the ham bands??? You can build your own equipment (remember those days?). There is NO type acceptance for amateur equipment. There are limitations as to how much you can build or modify in a year to cut down on amateur equipment being used in other services (CB). There is no FCC approval for ham use. If commercially made it must meet part 15 requirements to be sold. QED 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 01:49 PM 8/29/2010, you wrote: I would not want to put one on PS or commercial freqs, amateur only. Would it be OK for amateur? The only reason I ask is I do not want to put my amateur and GROL licenses in jeopardy (worked way to hard for them) if I purchase one and transmit on amateur frequencies. For PS and commercial (only when doing maintenance on one of their systems), I only use FCC approved equipment. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon wb6...@... wrote: Doug, You make some very good points, but let's not forget that the proof of FCC approval is not merely a paper label stuck on the radio; there must be a TCB or TA grant published on the OET Web site that lists that specific radio by model number, emission, and frequency range. The FCC is currently investigating the influx from China of cheap portables bearing Puxing, Linton, HYT, and Wouxon brands- some of which have labels that read FCC TYPE ACCEPTED but without an FCC ID number, and no basis in fact of receiving a grant. Indeed, some of these radios share the same internals even though the outside
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WVTWOUXUN03 KG-699E WVTWOUXUN04 KG-UV1DP
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Surely you do not mean to imply all of these models are type accepted under their certification grant under part 90?? as they are all KG-UV1DP The last 4 contain transmit frequencies that do not even come close to part 90 136-174350-470 MHz (RX/TX) 136-174400-480 MHz (RX/TX) 136-174420-520 MHz (RX/TX) 136-174400-470 MHz (RX/TX) 136-174245-250 MHz (RX/TX) 136-174216-280 MHz (RX/TX) 136-174225-226 MHz (RX/TX) 144-146430-440 MHz (RX/TX) Doug On 8/29/2010 5:06 PM, ochf13 wrote: WVTWOUXUN03 KG-699E WVTWOUXUN04 KG-UV1DP
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That's the ID mine has on it, and if you look it up on the FCC website, you will find that it is Part 90 accepted for 136-174 MHz, and 406.1-470 MHz. Granted on 2/16/2010. For those who are speculating about the legitimacy of the FCC ID, or the fact that it exists: It does exist, it is printed on the radio label, it is REAL/authentic, and it is showing the same on the FCC website under the same model number. Heck, it is even spec'ed for the entire ham bands! Joe M. Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote: Try this: FCC ID: WVTWOUXUN04 Wouxun model: KG-UVD1P CE FCC Approved http://www.wouxun.com/Two-Way-Radio/KG-UVD1P.htm 73 Charlie
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Oh, and they are also spec'ed for both 16K0F3E and 11K0F3E bandwidths. Joe M. MCH wrote: That's the ID mine has on it, and if you look it up on the FCC website, you will find that it is Part 90 accepted for 136-174 MHz, and 406.1-470 MHz. Granted on 2/16/2010. For those who are speculating about the legitimacy of the FCC ID, or the fact that it exists: It does exist, it is printed on the radio label, it is REAL/authentic, and it is showing the same on the FCC website under the same model number. Heck, it is even spec'ed for the entire ham bands! Joe M. Charles Mumphrey Kc5ozh wrote: Try this: FCC ID: WVTWOUXUN04 Wouxun model: KG-UVD1P CE FCC Approved http://www.wouxun.com/Two-Way-Radio/KG-UVD1P.htm 73 Charlie Yahoo! Groups Links
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The Wouxun KG-UVD1P is a 2m/70cm or 2m/1.25m dual band hand held radio. It has FCC ID WVTWOUXUN04 for Part 90 use. Look here https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm put WVT in Grantee Code and WOUXUN04 in the Product Code. Spec sheet info: http://www.wouxun.com/Two-Way-Radio/KG-UVD1P.htm I bought the 2m/1.25cm version from http://wouxun.us/ at Dayton this year to give me a 222 mHz handheld, it has been working great, including surviving a 3 foot drop to concrete :) --- it operates 5W on 2m and 4W on 1.25m. (I prefer dealing with a US distributor vs. an Ebay Hong Kong dealer.) Advise getting a programming cable for setup. The software is available online from several locations, including the Yahoo Group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wouxun_KG-UVD1/files/Software/ including software to set frequency ranges. (Within limits, you cannot move a 2m/70cm radio to 2m/1.25m for example) -- the programming software raises a false positive on some virus scanners. They are not on the Part 95 list (no GMRS, MURS, etc. though they will program there) same with Part 80 (I have some frequencies programmed to listen to some channels under both of these parts, but disabled transmit). They do not do AM, they can receive commercial FM broadcast. There is a long history of using Part 90 radios on Part 97 frequencies (Amateur Radio). Hope this helps clear things up and ends the speculation. The licensee is responsible for which radios are in use at their station or within their system (not the radio technician), so your mileage may vary. Personally, if I was working with a volunteer group and had a Part 90 licensed system, I would offer this as a low cost radio for volunteers. -- John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE http://k7ve.org PO Box 1223 Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org sip:j...@hays.org mailto:j...@hays.org
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I had one in my hands last week at a Hamfest in Gainsville, Texas. They are quite impressive. I have a strong hunch they are throw-away in nature when they die. Time will tell. If I needed a dual bander for ham use, I would give one a try. Jim WB4GWX/AAV6UX
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Just about anything around $ 100 or less is a 'throw-away' when it quits on you if you can not fix it yourself. It will often cost that much for any repair. A few years back a local called about getting the dial lights replaced on a transceiver and that was around $ 50 not counting the shipping. Several in the local club have the dual band (144/440) versions and like them. Only negative thing I have seen is that while you are transmitting on one band, you can not receive on the other band at the same time. They do say to get the softwear programming and cable to make it easy. From: James Lee moto_t...@yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 7:47:52 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wouxun Radio I had one in my hands last week at a Hamfest in Gainsville, Texas. They are quite impressive. I have a strong hunch they are throw-away in nature when they die. Time will tell. If I needed a dual bander for ham use, I would give one a try. Jim WB4GWX/AAV6UX
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John (et all) - Is the 1.25M version capable of 20 kHz steps? The spec sheet makes it look like it can only do 12.5 or 25 kHz steps. - JimF K6IYK At 8/29/2010 06:06 PM, k7ve wrote: 3e. Re: Wouxun Radio Posted by: John D. Hays j...@hays.org k7ve Date: Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:29 pm ((PDT)) I bought the 2m/1.25cm version from http://wouxun.us/ at Dayton this year to give me a 222 mHz handheld, it has been working great, including surviving a 3 foot drop to concrete :) --- it operates 5W on 2m and 4W on 1.25m. (I prefer dealing with a US distributor vs. an Ebay Hong Kong dealer.) -- John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE http://k7ve.org PO Box 1223 Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org sip:j...@hays.org mailto:j...@hays.org James T. Fortney j...@fortney.org
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Mine will do 5.00, 6.25, 10.00, 12.50, 25.00, 50.00 and 100.00 KHz. 73 Glenn WB4UIV At 09:35 PM 8/29/2010, you wrote: John (et all) - Is the 1.25M version capable of 20 kHz steps? The spec sheet makes it look like it can only do 12.5 or 25 kHz steps. - JimF K6IYK At 8/29/2010 06:06 PM, k7ve wrote: 3e. Re: Wouxun Radio Posted by: John D. Hays j...@hays.org k7ve Date: Sun Aug 29, 2010 2:29 pm ((PDT)) I bought the 2m/1.25cm version from http://wouxun.us/ at Dayton this year to give me a 222 mHz handheld, it has been working great, including surviving a 3 foot drop to concrete :) --- it operates 5W on 2m and 4W on 1.25m. (I prefer dealing with a US distributor vs. an Ebay Hong Kong dealer.) -- John D. Hays Amateur Radio Station K7VE http://k7ve.org PO Box 1223 Edmonds, WA 98020-1223 VOIP/SIP: j...@hays.org sip:j...@hays.org mailto:j...@hays.org James T. Fortney j...@fortney.org Yahoo! Groups Links
