Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-02-25 Thread ABHISHEK MISHRA
Current policy of APNIC for transfer of number resources is complicated and enforcement is also weak. This causes hoarding and underground transfer of IP resources. Hence APNIC should consider simple system for transfer of number resources from one entity to another. It should either allow

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-02-21 Thread yang...@126.com
- > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 08:29:45 +0000 > From: Guangliang Pan <g...@apnic.net> > To: Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> > Cc: mailman_SIG-policy <sig-pol...@apnic.net

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-02-21 Thread George Kuo
Hi Skeeve and all, Ahead of the upcoming policy SIG, I'd like to share more info about how APNIC secretariat evaluates M & A requests. As part of our due diligence check, we have the procedure to verify the authenticity of the M & A request documentations received. Circumstances where it's

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2018-02-01 Thread Skeeve Stevens
* Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+sigpol...@eintellegonetworks.asia> > *Cc:* Guangliang Pan <g...@apnic.net>; mailman_SIG-policy < > sig-pol...@apnic.net> > *Subject:* Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer > policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED] > > > > I

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-31 Thread Mike Burns
ic.nc>; sig-pol...@apnic.net Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy We can agree to disagree. This is, IMHO, the kind of speculation in 103/8 blocks that the policy (original 2 year limit) was intended to target. The expansion of this to a 5 year limit, wh

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2018-01-31 Thread Owen DeLong
>> wrote: >> Hi Aftab, >> >> >> >> The number of M transfers involved 103/8 address block from 15 April 2011 >> to 14 Sep 2017 is 257. >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Guangliang >> >> == >&g

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2018-01-31 Thread Skeeve Stevens
gt; >> The number of M transfers involved 103/8 address block from 15 April >> 2011 to 14 Sep 2017 is 257. >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Guangliang >> >> ====== >> >> >> >> *From:* Aftab Siddiqui [mailto

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-31 Thread Mike Burns
...@lists.apnic.net [mailto:sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 11:40 AM To: Bertrand Cherrier <b.cherr...@micrologic.nc> Cc: sig-pol...@apnic.net SIG List <sig-pol...@apnic.net> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 I

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2018-01-31 Thread Owen DeLong
m: Aftab Siddiqui [mailto:aftab.siddi...@gmail.com > <mailto:aftab.siddi...@gmail.com>] > Sent: Monday, 29 January 2018 8:49 PM > To: Guangliang Pan <g...@apnic.net <mailto:g...@apnic.net>> > Cc: Sanjeev Gupta <sanj...@dcs1.biz <mailto:sanj...@dcs1.biz>>

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2018-01-31 Thread Skeeve Stevens
5 April >> 2011 to 14 Sep 2017 is 257. >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Guangliang >> >> == >> >> >> >> *From:* Aftab Siddiqui [mailto:aftab.siddi...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Monday, 29 January 2018 8:49

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2018-01-31 Thread Skeeve Stevens
ot allowed to transfer as of today according to prop-116-v006. > > > > Kind regards, > > Guangliang > > = > > > > > > *From:* sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net [mailto:sig-policy-bounces@ > lists.apnic.net] *On Behalf Of *Sanjeev Gupta > *Sen

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-31 Thread Skeeve Stevens
I agree, but there needs to be some protection for APNIC on the resources left. But I think the APNIC EC can probably decide on the best way to evaluate this themselves. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect* - eintellego Networks (Cambodia) Pte Ltd. Email:

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-31 Thread Skeeve Stevens
So define it better. This could be undertaken by the EC outside the scope of policy IMHO. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect* - eintellego Networks (Cambodia) Pte Ltd. Email: ske...@eintellegonetworks.asia ; Web: eintellegonetworks.asia Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-31 Thread Skeeve Stevens
Agreed. I do agree that there needs to be some protections to avoid abuse of the last /8 resources, but, there seems to be a policy failure elsewhere in APNIC in relation to the evaluation of M which is allowing abusive transactions to occur. ...Skeeve *Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-31 Thread Skeeve Stevens
I very much support this policy. A policy should not be retrospectively applied otherwise anything any of us may do or plan to do can be considered guaranteed, and I would see a case for requesting APNIC to return funds for any services provided that have been negated by policy changes. I also

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2018-01-30 Thread Rajesh Panwala
uangliang >> >> == >> >> >> >> *From:* Aftab Siddiqui [mailto:aftab.siddi...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Monday, 29 January 2018 8:49 PM >> *To:* Guangliang Pan <g...@apnic.net> >> *Cc:* Sanjeev Gupta <sanj...@dcs1.biz>; mailman_SIG-policy

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2018-01-30 Thread andrew khoo
g...@apnic.net> > *Cc:* Sanjeev Gupta <sanj...@dcs1.biz>; mailman_SIG-policy < > sig-pol...@apnic.net> > > *Subject:* Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer > policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED] > > > > Hi Guangliang, > > How ma

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-29 Thread Aftab Siddiqui
Hi Alex, > 1. Problem statement > --- > > Policy Proposal prop-116-v006: Prohibit to transfer IPv4 addresses in > the final /8 block reached consensus at the APNIC 44 AMM on 14 Sep > 2017. Since that APNIC has stopped all the IPv4 transfers from

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-29 Thread Satoru Tsurumaki
Dear Proposer I would like to clarify. My understanding is: Prop-116 will be subject to the 103/8 IPv4 address which allocated before 14 Sep 2017 and be transferred after this proposal will consensus. It's mean that these address will be allowed to transfer "ONE-TIME". Is it correct ? Regards,

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-29 Thread Guangliang Pan
, Muhammad) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 13:33:57 +0530 From: Rajesh Panwala <raj...@smartlinkindia.com> To: Sanjeev Gupta <sanj...@dcs1.biz> Cc: sig-policy <sig-pol...@apnic.net> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy Message-

[sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-29 Thread Yasir Shamim, Muhammad
8 13:33:57 +0530 From: Rajesh Panwala <raj...@smartlinkindia.com> To: Sanjeev Gupta <sanj...@dcs1.biz> Cc: sig-policy <sig-pol...@apnic.net> Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy Message-ID: <caftveg6qvzwz59-iz2zhbcamir0tttxzf5

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-28 Thread Rajesh Panwala
I partially support the policy. For genuine M cases , there should not be any restriction on transfer of resources. M activities are part and parcel of routine business and no one knows when will it take place. regards, Rajesh Panwala For Smartlink Solutions Pvt. Ltd. +91-9227886001 On Fri, Jan

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2018-01-28 Thread Sanjeev Gupta
> > ___ > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > *Mike* > > > > *From:* sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net [mailto:sig-policy-bounces@ > lists.apnic.net] *On Behalf Of *Bertrand Cherrier > *Sent:* Friday, 26 January

Re: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy [SECURITY=UNCLASSIFIED]

2018-01-28 Thread Henderson Mike, Mr
...@lists.apnic.net [mailto:sig-policy-boun...@lists.apnic.net] On Behalf Of Bertrand Cherrier Sent: Friday, 26 January 2018 4:28 p.m. To: sig-pol...@apnic.net Subject: [sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy Dear SIG members, The proposal "prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8

[sig-policy] prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy

2018-01-25 Thread Bertrand Cherrier
Dear SIG members, The proposal "prop-123-v001: Modify 103/8 IPv4 transfer policy" has been sent to the Policy SIG for review. It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting at APNIC 45 in Kathmandu, Nepal on Tuesday, 27 February 2018. We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the