[silk] Wikipedia on the decline

2009-11-24 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan
Just came across this article [1] which talks about the accelerating decline in the number of contributors. Whats interesting is the reason, that it is turning out to be a hostile environment due to the amount of debate required. Quite depressing, for me at least. Kiran [1]

Re: [silk] Wikipedia on the decline

2009-11-24 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Kiran K Karthikeyan kiran.karthike...@gmail.com wrote: Just came across this article [1] which talks about the accelerating decline in the number of contributors. Whats interesting is the reason, that it is turning out to be a hostile environment due to the

Re: [silk] Wikipedia on the decline

2009-11-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 02:59:27PM +0530, Kiran K Karthikeyan wrote: Just came across this article [1] which talks about the accelerating decline Not a new phenomenon. The German Wikipedia actually commited a PR seppuku in the last couple months. I hope the fork

[silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Thaths
http://greenhomegroup.com/about-detroit.html another magnum opus having fulfilled the dream of customers with 17 completed projects private enclave nestles in a 30 acre stretch endowed with infinite vistas of serenity unbounded volumes of quietude endless flow of pure air panorama of

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: So why is Indian English so hyper floral? Advertising copy is hyper floral anywhere! But we love to dress up everything with jewellery...we have an inbuilt love for intricate ornamentation. (now THAT was a good example.)

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: So why is Indian English so hyper floral? Advertising copy is hyper floral anywhere! There is some truth in that. However, such gaudy prose is not just

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread divya manian
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote: I do love hyper loquaciousness (sp?) in principle (c.f., Wodehouse, P.G.). However, these particular ones are somehow archaic, chintzy and even awkward. You have, er, hit the nail on the head. English is taught using old,

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Divya Sampath
Apologies for top posting. Here's what I think. Most Indians don't really think in English. The flourishes that mark 'elegant language' in the vernacular are subconsciously reflected in the English we use, losing their impact along the way. It's a phenomenon not unique to India- look at

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Divya Sampath divyasamp...@yahoo.com wrote: Here's what I think. Most Indians don't really think in English. The flourishes that mark 'elegant language' in the vernacular are subconsciously reflected in the English we use, losing their  impact along the way.

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:56 AM, divya manian divya.man...@gmail.com wrote: You have, er, hit the nail on the head. English is taught using old, archaic texts (some schools still teach Shakespeare for non-detailed text). What the hell was Naan Deetale about anyway? Was this something we

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Indrajit Gupta
--- On Wed, 25/11/09, Divya Sampath divyasamp...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Divya Sampath divyasamp...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral? To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Date: Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 0:28 Apologies for top posting. Here's what I think. Most

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Radhika, Y.
English easily takes on the color and taste of other languages - a bit like an avocado in a salad - bland on it's own and great with others. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Indrajit Gupta bonoba...@yahoo.co.inwrote: --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Divya Sampath divyasamp...@yahoo.com wrote: From:

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote: English easily takes on the color and taste of other languages - a bit like an avocado in a salad - bland on it's own and great with others. That's why English flourishes and thrives and is becoming a world language...I

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread ss
On Tuesday 24 Nov 2009 11:55:14 pm Thaths wrote: There is some truth in that. However, such gaudy prose is not just restricted to advertising copy. I have also seen many be-jeweled business documents and newsletters in my short professional life in India. And these were equally prevalent in

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread ss
On Wednesday 25 Nov 2009 12:26:19 am divya manian wrote: You have, er, hit the nail on the head. English is taught using old, archaic texts (some schools still teach Shakespeare for non-detailed text). Wren and Martin is still standard issue grammar, and kids are still being taught to write a

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:40 AM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote: Offhand I will just quote a line from a Hindi/Urdu song (and a beautuful one at that - the song I mean) (Chaudvin ka chand) Hoton pey khelti hai tabassum ki bijliyaan In proper English it means You are smiling The translation

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:57 AM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote: fractal recursivity. H a big phrase...have to google (like xerox and fridge) it now! Deepa.

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
2009/11/25 ss cybers...@gmail.com (Chaudvin ka chand) Is that what it is? All these years I was under the impression that it was Chaudhary ka Gaand. But then I'm only a Madraasi. Ram

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram r.sunda...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/11/25 ss cybers...@gmail.com (Chaudvin ka chand) Is that what it is? All these years I was under the impression that it was Chaudhary ka Gaand. But then I'm only a Madraasi. Ram

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Deepa Mohan
So On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote: (Chaudvin ka chand) Is that what it is? All these years I was under the impression that it was Chaudhary ka Gaand. But then I'm only a Madraasi. You are NOT a true Madrassi if the second phrase makes sense to

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Divya Manian
On 11/24/09 8:27 PM, ss cybers...@gmail.com wrote: But is is only Indians who seek to mimic a particular variant of spoken English and virtually haul over the coals other Indians who are unable to conform. Shiv, you are right to an extent. My pain point is when it becomes so floral that the

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Divya Manian divya.man...@gmail.comwrote: fractal recursivity. AWESOME PHRASE! Fractal Recursivity: The notion refers to the fact that the differences which are made to be iconic are used in the creation of an “other.” Integral to the idea of fractal

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Ramakrishnan Sundaram
2009/11/25 Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com: now to figure out what all THAT means! Get Udhay started on exclusionary mechanisms. Ram

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Radhika, Y.
Hear, hear, Shiv! Why do we always apologize for our florid language, our accent(s) and all the variety and musicality we bring to English! the worst of this attitude is evident in how we ridicule regional variations when we ought to revel in them. Vive la difference! On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:27

Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral?

2009-11-24 Thread Indrajit Gupta
--- On Wed, 25/11/09, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote: From: Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [silk] Why is Indian English so floral? To: silklist@lists.hserus.net Date: Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 11:30 Hear, hear, Shiv! Why do we always apologize for our florid