[silk] Flights to Switzerland from India

2007-04-25 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
So what's the best way to get to Zurich from India? Nobody except for Swiss Air offers a direct flight, and I'm not very eager to fly bankrupt European airlines that offer all the goodness of government run, union backed efficiency. Cheeni

Re: [silk] in the eye of the beholder

2007-04-25 Thread Abhishek Hazra
Is there anything that's not up on youtube? super! thanks. well, if the Lumiere's are there then Feynman has to be there too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOfVX3f5q30 On 4/26/07, Aditya Chadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there anything that's not up on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/wat

Re: [silk] in the eye of the beholder

2007-04-25 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-04-25 19:53:15 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Is there anything that's not up on youtube? Wow. I didn't even *think* of looking on Youtube. Thank you! -- ams

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Gautam John
Apple juice concentrate and grape juice concentrate are very commonly used natural sweeteners. And legally speaking, jams with such sweeteners are free to declare that they have no "added sugar" because they haven't added any sugar as such. Welcome to the weird world of food processing. You don't

Re: [silk] in the eye of the beholder

2007-04-25 Thread Aditya Chadha
Is there anything that's not up on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dgLEDdFddk On 4/25/07, Abhijit Menon-Sen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 2007-04-25 16:26:37 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > to repeat an often repeated anecdote: when the Lumiere brothers > showed their film of a tr

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote: [ on 12:17 AM 4/26/2007 ] which reminds me... the wonders of food processing technology mean that most dried fruits are actually cranberries. apparently they are very cheap to produce in bulk, last forever, have a chewy "dried-fruit" texture and can be cheaply inject

Re: [silk] in the eye of the beholder

2007-04-25 Thread Abhijit Menon-Sen
At 2007-04-25 16:26:37 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > to repeat an often repeated anecdote: when the Lumiere brothers > showed their film of a train pulling into a platform I wonder if the Lumière shorts are available somewhere (online?). I've looked for them, but not found anything. Any idea

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Thaths
On 4/25/07, Danese Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And to the earlier comment about raw carrots costing more than canned or frozen...ABSOLUTELY this happens in rich countries where careful farming methods (organic, biodynamic) produce pedigreed produce that people are willing to pay more to hav

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 01:31:03PM -0500, Christopher M. Kelty wrote: > easier to get where I live). I.e., if it is cheaper to make twinkies > than carrots it is because the ingredients for twinkies are all but > free today, and people spend their lives thinking up new ways to > twinkify everythin

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Christopher M. Kelty
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 03:24:31PM +, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote: > the evil in current US and EU agricultural subsidies, as with most subsidies, > is that they favour industrialised agriculture and products that can come out > of industrialised agriculture. these happen to be cereal crops (or

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 08:55:13AM -0700, Danese Cooper wrote: > But are Twinkies really "cheaper" when you factor in the cost to > society of poor health? ok, it depends on what you mean by "cheaper" :-) i meant the retail price (which typically does _not_ include costs to society). and when

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Danese Cooper
But are Twinkies really "cheaper" when you factor in the cost to society of poor health? There's a book making the rounds here in San Francisco just now called GRUB written by the daughter of the Frances Moore Lappe (who taught us in the 70s that vegetarianism is actually better economical

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Shyam Visweswaran
While agro subsidies in the US lead to overproduction of corn and soy which in turn leads to processed food based on the same, the connection between relatively cheap processed food and the obesity epidemic is tenuous. First, processed food does not necessarily decrease the cost of food overall.

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 09:37:23AM -0500, Christopher M. Kelty wrote: > Fair enough: what you are arguing is that one standard method of cost > accounting explains why twinkies are cheaper. Other (non-standard? actually, i'm pointing out that the inherent cost makes twinkies cheaper, not some f

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Christopher M. Kelty
Fair enough: what you are arguing is that one standard method of cost accounting explains why twinkies are cheaper. Other (non-standard? economically suspect?) methods, like focusing only on production costs, or including opportunity costs (all those carrots that were not produced and sold [and

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 08:25:56AM -0500, Christopher M. Kelty wrote: > Also, my understanding, though very limited of EU subsidies is that > they are primarily focused on small and medium size farms, not the > megafarms of the US... but that may be propaganda? most definitely not; EU subsidies go

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Christopher M. Kelty
but wait... isn't Pollan's argument that without subsidies that "entire real transaction" of Twinkies could be brought into a more realistically market-driven line with that of carrots? Or, rather, that if we subsidized vegetable growers instead (or no one at all) we could produce market conditio

Re: [silk] in the eye of the beholder

2007-04-25 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
wow. On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 04:26:37PM +0530, Abhishek Hazra wrote: > I would imagine that the 'public' in the village of Heggodu[1] > wouldn't be that befuddled by say something like absurd theatre . > > [1] ttp://www.rmaf.org.ph/Awardees/Citation/CitationSubbannaKV.htm > http://www.deccanheral

Re: [silk] in the eye of the beholder

2007-04-25 Thread Abhishek Hazra
Yet the general public saw in the nonobjectivity of the representation the demise of art and >failed to grasp the evident fact that feeling had here assumed external form this tension between "communication vrs intent" has a long history and something that gets hotly contested when in comes to c

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Gautam John
In my experience, the other problem is also due to the fact that the processed food industry essentially competes with human consumption for the same raw material. Given this, processed fruit and vegetables will always be more expensive than fresh. India also does not have much of a processable su

[silk] opening a bank account in U.K.

2007-04-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
I've just ordered me a bargain Ltd., and would like to open a company bank account next time I visit U.K. Anyone here done that as a nonresident? What will I need? How much time does it take? Any suggestions to which bank (must offer online banking option) to use? -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.o

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Wed, Apr 25, 2007 at 01:39:35PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote: > >this is also why a fresh carrot is more expensive than a frozen one, > >which is more expensive than a canned one; > > This is not my experience, in any vegetable market I've seen. it is, in any supermarket in an industrialised c

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote [at 01:22 PM 4/25/2007] : this is also why a fresh carrot is more expensive than a frozen one, which is more expensive than a canned one; This is not my experience, in any vegetable market I've seen. Udhay -- ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.c

Re: [silk] You Are What You Grow

2007-04-25 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
> So how can the supermarket possibly sell a pair of > these synthetic cream-filled pseudocakes for less than a bunch of > roots? > > For the answer, you need look no farther than the > farm bill. this makes no sense at all. farm subsidies are distorting, but the reason it's cheaper to sell tw

Re: [silk] in the eye of the beholder

2007-04-25 Thread Venkat Mangudi
It feels nice that one can get so much good information to understand art... Being rather art-illiterate (I can appreciate good landscapes, is all), I have newfound respect for art. But, I still do not understand art any better than I did yesterday. I guess this is how my wife feels when I keep

Re: [silk] The coming age of air taxis

2007-04-25 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
> turn emerged from them. "We're a software and logistics company that > only happens to make money flying planes," insists Ed Iacobucci, an transport is not a high profit business, and involves enormous operational costs. business logic would suggest that dayjet become, indeed, a software and log

Re: [silk] in the eye of the beholder

2007-04-25 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
of course, minimalist art can indeed be entirely in the eye of the beholder, unless augmented by some explanation of the artist's intention. here is malevich: The black square on the white field was the first form in which nonobjective feeling came to be expressed. The square = feeling, the whit