On 10/14/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 13 Oct 2007 11:19 pm, Deepa Mohan wrote:
> > But why
> > does that make the bicycle a bad idea?
>
> It's the physical danger. I did not do mountaineering because I was too
> scared. I do not do any cycling in Bangalore because mounta
On Saturday 13 Oct 2007 11:19 pm, Deepa Mohan wrote:
> But why
> does that make the bicycle a bad idea?
It's the physical danger. I did not do mountaineering because I was too
scared. I do not do any cycling in Bangalore because mountaineering is
looking more attractive.
I personally do not thi
On 10/13/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 13 Oct 2007 12:36 pm, Deepa Mohan wrote:
> > I cycle quite a lot,
>
> Some years ago, when I enthusiastically mooted getting a cycle each for my
> kids Shashi (my wife, for those who don't know) pointed out that in Bangalore
> the on
On Saturday 13 Oct 2007 12:36 pm, Deepa Mohan wrote:
> I cycle quite a lot,
Some years ago, when I enthusiastically mooted getting a cycle each for my
kids Shashi (my wife, for those who don't know) pointed out that in Bangalore
the only people who seriously use bicycles for transport are carpen
On 10/13/07, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In Bengaluru for example, I have started using public
> transport regularly.
I would love to use public transport in Bengaluru, if they could just
add route labels in english.
Mostly I have learnt to curtail my local travel by just getting most
On 10/13/07, ashok _ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/13/07, Sriram Karra wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/12/business/12cars.php
> > >t would be much
>easier to charge a congestion tax (daily / monthly ) for any personal
>transport with four wheels in an urban area, and hand
On 10/13/07, Sriram Karra wrote:
>
> > http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/12/business/12cars.php
> >
> 1. more cars and fewer motorcycles/scooters/cycles means more
> homogeneity in road traffic. I feel that's a good thing. Cars are
> less maneuverable than two wheelers, which is a good thing to
On 10/12/07, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/12/business/12cars.php
>
> In India, a $2,500 pace car
Given that the ~1 lakh car is going to be inevitable, I think it is a
more interesting armchair exercise to speculate on how it could
positively
On 10/12/07, ashok _ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since its inevitable... its still better than having an auto market where the
> dominant entities are 2nd hand reconditioned imports from every corner of the
> world
Still, the matatu market is better than the mixture of left hand and
right han
On 10/12/07, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
> > India's "people's cars" spur green nightmare fear
> > Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:33AM EDT
Since its inevitable... its still better than having an auto market where the
dominant entities are 2nd hand reconditioned imports from every corner of the
world
On 7/1/07, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.reuters.com/article/basicindustries-SP-A/idUSDEL17439320070627?pageNumber=1&sp=true
>
> India's "people's cars" spur green nightmare fear
> Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:33AM EDT
IHT covered it today, with some updated information and a wide
>
> > But my point about scale is not the cities themselves, but the
> > surrounding area. The larger the city, the larger the required
> > food infrastructure to support it. The larger that infrastructure,
> > the more vast the distance between the housing to manage the land.
>
> Is that necess
On 7/9/07, Dave Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> But my point about scale is not the cities themselves, but the
>> surrounding area. The larger the city, the larger the required
>> food infrastructure to support it. The larger that infrastructure,
>> the more vast the distance between the housi
But my point about scale is not the cities themselves, but the
surrounding area. The larger the city, the larger the required
food infrastructure to support it. The larger that infrastructure,
the more vast the distance between the housing to manage the land.
Is that necessarily true? If you ass
On 7/6/07, Chris Kantarjiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But my point about scale is not the cities themselves, but the
surrounding area. The larger the city, the larger the required
food infrastructure to support it. The larger that infrastructure,
the more vast the distance between the housing t
Here's a funny idea on solving energy problems by better utilizing
"one-person" cars:
http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/06/how_i_solved_th.html
Adit.
On 7/6/07, Chris Kantarjiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Don't get me wrong - I am by no means defending the widespread
infest
On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 08:15:12AM -0700, Chris Kantarjiev wrote:
> Because there's a subspecies that doesn't like neighbors and has delusions
> of privacy grandeur. Being rich enough to own land has also meant
> being rich enough to control one's own commute, at least until now.
If land ownershi
> > Iowa who live 20 miles from the "main road" are never going to be
> > served by a Postbus or train. Their kids commute 50 miles to high
> > school.
>
> Why are urban areas surrounded with a halo of suburbia, and no
> commute infrastructure there, though. There are certainly no
> reasons by hi
On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 01:01:55PM -0700, Chris Kantarjiev wrote:
> > The car itself was a bad invention.
>
> Oh please. Methinks though dost generalize too much.
Yeah. Dropping the electrombile for stinky ICEs was a stupid
move, though.
> The car was a vast improvement over the horse, which i
> The car itself was a bad invention.
Oh please. Methinks though dost generalize too much.
The car was a vast improvement over the horse, which it replaced, both
in terms of self-reliance and range, not to mention public sanitation.
The bad decisions along the way, especially in the US, involved
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 09:52:05AM +0530, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
> India has a power shortage that will only get worse. By most estimates
It will get worse, before it will become better.
You don't need a lot of juice for a scooter:
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/PV/pvscooter.ht
On Mon, Jul 02, 2007 at 10:39:10AM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> >Is there any science fiction based on the premise of fossil fuels
> >having run, and the world returning, perforce, to the much slower pace
> >of pre-electricity/ pre-petroleum communication/travel? Is there any
Returning with ma
Deepa Mohan wrote [at 10:26 AM 7/2/2007] :
Is there any science fiction based on the premise of fossil fuels
having run, and the world returning, perforce, to the much slower pace
of pre-electricity/ pre-petroleum communication/travel? Is there any
speculation about how the present-day populatio
On 7/2/07, shiv sastry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
However - India might see some sense when cars actually begin to
hurt i.e when roads AND lungs are clogged.
Well, that's been the case in Blr for a while now (even Sunday traffic
is bad nowadays) and I don't see anything, car production or
regi
On Sunday 01 Jul 2007 11:04 pm, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
> And more over this phenomenon is a problem beyond just the
> environment. In a society with no social guarantees of income and
> health care, how does a majority of India justify putting aside a huge
> portion of their income towards a car
On 7/2/07, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 07:00 AM 7/2/2007, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
>>I'm pretty sure an electric scooter for half a kilobuck plus PV array
>>could give you a 50 km commute with a daytime's charge.
>
>One data point: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1
At 07:00 AM 7/2/2007, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
I'm pretty sure an electric scooter for half a kilobuck plus PV array
could give you a 50 km commute with a daytime's charge.
One data point: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1635898.cms
And another: http://www.induselectrans.com/
Eugen Leitl wrote: [ on 11:12 PM 7/1/2007 ]
> The obvious question is, who has the oil for all of this? Certainly not us.
I'm pretty sure an electric scooter for half a kilobuck plus PV array
could give you a 50 km commute with a daytime's charge.
One data point: http://timesofindia.indiatime
On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 11:40:21AM -0700, Radhika, Y. wrote:
> I have never owned a car, lived in the US 12 years without doing so and
I've only owned a car at 35, and it was about 20 years old. My current car
is a 10 kEUR Honda Jazz (some 6.3 l/100 km, some 50 EUR/month for
fuel), and some >50%
I know this probably was a cheesy effort but has anybody seen the American
carmaker(sorry don't remember who) campaign with the slogan "Rethink
American" inciting people to buy hybrid cars. I wonder if an Indian take on
that in the form of PSAs encouraging people not to buy cars could be made?
"Re
On 7/1/07, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 11:04:58PM +0530, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
[...]
People in Russia were saving for a decade or more to buy a car.
Most Indians aren't, they are signing their lives away.
Cheeni
On Sun, Jul 01, 2007 at 11:04:58PM +0530, Srini Ramakrishnan wrote:
> The obvious question is, who has the oil for all of this? Certainly not us.
I'm pretty sure an electric scooter for half a kilobuck plus PV array
could give you a 50 km commute with a daytime's charge.
> And more over this p
On 7/1/07, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://www.reuters.com/article/basicindustries-SP-A/idUSDEL17439320070627?pageNumber=1&sp=true
[...]
"If I can buy a 30,000 rupee scooter, then I can now hope to buy a
car for 100,000 rupees when it comes out. Now, people like me can
think abo
http://www.reuters.com/article/basicindustries-SP-A/idUSDEL17439320070627?pageNumber=1&sp=true
India's "people's cars" spur green nightmare fear
Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:33AM EDT
By Alistair Scrutton
NEW DELHI, June 27 (Reuters) - It may be an Indian consumer's dream
-- cheap cars for $2,500-$3,000
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