Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-04 Thread M.G. Devour
Hi John, You wrote: Have you got a link to Fritzing? http://www.fritzing.org There is a very good and free circuit simulator, called LTspice IV. http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/ Looks like a good program... however, I'm running Linux, and they don't seem to be supporting

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-04 Thread John Popelish
On 03/04/2015 06:12 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: 25 volts at 50/60 HZ does not impart enough velocity to the ions to get them far enough away from the electrodes to not be sucked back on when the polarity changes. To use that SWAP frequency requires around 1000 volts. Minimum at 25 volts would be

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-04 Thread John Popelish
On 03/04/2015 11:24 AM, M.G. Devour wrote: Hi John, You wrote: Have you got a link to Fritzing? http://www.fritzing.org Thanks. I'll take a look. There is a very good and free circuit simulator, called LTspice IV. http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/ Looks like a good

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-04 Thread Tony Moody
Hi Mike, The LTspiceIV_flyer.pdf mentions (tersely) running it under WINE. OK, Tony Moody On 4 Mar 2015 at 11:24, M.G. Devour wrote about : Subject : Re: CSAC voltage Hi John, You wrote: Have you got a link to Fritzing? http://www.fritzing.org There is a very good and free

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-04 Thread Ode Coyote
25 volts at 50/60 HZ does not impart enough velocity to the ions to get them far enough away from the electrodes to not be sucked back on when the polarity changes. To use that SWAP frequency requires around 1000 volts. Minimum at 25 volts would be around 1 minute between polarity shifts and that

CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread Reece Maxey
Has anyone used a low, ie 25 volts, AC power source for a CS generator? Any ideas about posslble success if using? Seems to me it would compare with the swapping DC method. Thanks. Opa Sent from my iPad -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread John Popelish
On 03/03/2015 11:13 AM, Reece Maxey wrote: Has anyone used a low, ie 25 volts, AC power source for a CS generator? Any ideas about posslble success if using? Seems to me it would compare with the swapping DC method. Thanks. Opa The experimental circuit, I am working with, has an optional mode

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread asif nathekar
Hi John How's about using a lower frequency which will give the ions a chance to escape before they go back to whence they came! Cheers On 3 Mar 2015 17:04, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 11:13 AM, Reece Maxey wrote: Has anyone used a low, ie 25 volts, AC power source

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread John Popelish
On 03/03/2015 04:03 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Thanks for the info John. I have more time than money, so if process is slower it wouldn't be a problem. have a small 25 volt adapter so think I will try it with 60 cycle line as source. Somewhere in my cob-webbed memory is something about a

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread Reece Maxey
Thanks John. What I am able to do is limited for several reasons, one of which is space. I don't have nor can I have a permanent setup. Equipment has to be put on and then removed from kitchen counter. The idea of a no solder application sounds good. Opa Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2015, at

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread Reece Maxey
Thanks for the info John. I have more time than money, so if process is slower it wouldn't be a problem. I have a small 25 volt adapter so think I will try it with 60 cycle line as source. Somewhere in my cob-webbed memory is something about a multivibrator circuit that would produce positive

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread Reece Maxey
I'm interested! Can DC adapter be used in lieu of battery?Opa Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2015, at 4:50 PM, John Popelish jpopel...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/03/2015 04:38 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Thanks John. What I am able to do is limited for several reasons, one of which is space. I

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread John Popelish
On 03/03/2015 07:42 PM, M.G. Devour wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to see Ken (Ode) chime in on this thread soon. He's done a lot of testing and if I remember the general results, if you speed up the polarity switching beyond every 30 seconds or so you start to really slow down production.

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread Reece Maxey
I have 12, 19 and 24 volt adapters; bearing in mind this is not laboratory grade equipment. There will be variations depending on input voltage. I do have a TDS meter and a reasonably good Fluke digital VOM meter. Can you provide source for components for this project? Opa Sent from my iPad

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread John Popelish
On 03/03/2015 06:41 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: I have 12, 19 and 24 volt adapters; bearing in mind this is not laboratory grade equipment. There will be variations depending on input voltage. I do have a TDS meter and a reasonably good Fluke digital VOM meter. Can you provide source for components

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread John Popelish
On 03/03/2015 06:04 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: I'm interested! Can DC adapter be used in lieu of battery?Opa Yes. Anything that puts out a DC voltage between 3 and 18 volts should work with the components I have in mind. Perhaps you could do the experiments that determine how fast the polarity

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread John Popelish
On 03/03/2015 05:16 PM, asif nathekar wrote: Hi John How's about using a lower frequency which will give the ions a chance to escape before they go back to whence they came! Cheers There has to be some reversal frequency that is low enough that the process is essentially DC and reaches

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread John Popelish
On 03/03/2015 07:32 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Do you work cheap?-:) My first attempt for emoticon. Give me what kind of cost if you build. As I indicated before, soldering is beyond me now. Sort of painful to say that because I completed High Reliability soldering class at Naval Weapons Center in

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread John Popelish
On 03/03/2015 04:38 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Thanks John. What I am able to do is limited for several reasons, one of which is space. I don't have nor can I have a permanent setup. Equipment has to be put on and then removed from kitchen counter. The idea of a no solder application sounds

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread Reece Maxey
Do you work cheap?-:) My first attempt for emoticon. Give me what kind of cost if you build. As I indicated before, soldering is beyond me now. Sort of painful to say that because I completed High Reliability soldering class at Naval Weapons Center in China Lake California back in early '80s.

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread M.G. Devour
I wouldn't be surprised to see Ken (Ode) chime in on this thread soon. He's done a lot of testing and if I remember the general results, if you speed up the polarity switching beyond every 30 seconds or so you start to really slow down production. Stirring is a big plus, which is why his and

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread John Popelish
On 03/03/2015 09:26 PM, Reece Maxey wrote: Give me an idea how you would want data compiled, increment size, procedure to be followed etc and for how long. A conductivity probe/tester that could be immersed in the water and used during process would be nice. I tried using my Fluke meter in

RE: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread Neville
electrodes are submerged at the beginning and see what you get. N. From: ozarko...@att.net Subject: Re: CSAC voltage Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 17:41:20 -0600 To: silver-list@eskimo.com I have 12, 19 and 24 volt adapters; bearing in mind this is not laboratory grade equipment

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread Reece Maxey
Give me an idea how you would want data compiled, increment size, procedure to be followed etc and for how long. A conductivity probe/tester that could be immersed in the water and used during process would be nice. I tried using my Fluke meter in series with anode in one of my first attempts

Re: CSAC voltage

2015-03-03 Thread Reece Maxey
At this point I have done no stirring. Still trying to improve electrical connection method and a thermal stirring system with items found in average home. No candles! Thanks John , and also your input Mike. Bedtime for us old folks. Opa Sent from my iPad On Mar 3, 2015, at 7:41 PM, John