Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] SOAS[DP] Educator's Opinion

2009-09-29 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Yes! Roland, this is exactly what Apple does with their big cats. We have Tiger (10.4) running on a Powerbook that originally came with Jaguar (10.2). I skipped Panther (10.3). My MacBook came with Leopard (10.5). Now they have come out with Snow Leopard (10.6-I don't plan to switch... it has

Re: [SoaS] Problem with zyx-liveinstaller on SoaS3-200909271154.iso = Fonts too big, screen size too small to use

2009-09-29 Thread Douglas McClendon
Thomas C Gilliard wrote: > SoaS3-200909271154.iso display is too magnified. > Cannot access all of page for formating in zyx-live installer > > The font size so large and display in browse so small. Have to use > reduce 3-4 times to see all of wiki in browse. No size adjustments or > sliders ava

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:29:11PM -0400, Wade Brainerd wrote: > Hi Martin, [...] > You seem to be suggesting that it's doomed unless we massively expand the > scope of our development efforts. No, I'm not suggesting that. > I think all of these questions and hypothetical situations ultimately st

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Wade Brainerd
Hi Martin, I'm sure there must be some way we can get on the same page. Perhaps we're approaching the same data points but with different opinions of how well SoaS is working out. >From my perspective, SoaS suits my needs very well. From what I read on the mailing lists, it seems to be making g

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Luke Faraone
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 17:40, Peter Robinson wrote: > the lack of mesh support. > Were you running on a host that had 802.11s wireless capability? -- Luke Faraone http://luke.faraone.cc ___ SoaS mailing list SoaS@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.su

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 04:48:28PM -0400, Wade Brainerd wrote: > Hi Martin, > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Martin Dengler > wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 04:02:50PM -0400, Wade Brainerd wrote: > > > Anyway, why are we talking about the effort to maintain a distro? > > > > Because we

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> I'm trying to point out that SL had better have an idea of what it >>> wants out of SoaS if it wants to invest time in it.  So far it seems >>> like SL wants to put in (

Re: [SoaS] Trisquel 3.0RC( 0.86) installs to 2GB USB with persistence

2009-09-29 Thread Rubén Rodríguez Pérez
El mar, 29-09-2009 a las 13:30 -0700, Thomas C Gilliard escribió: > I just discovered that the CD of Trisquel 3.0 RC > > http://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel-sugar_3.0RC_i686.iso > > "Install to Hard Disk" option on initial boot screen recognizes and > installs to a USB. > Minimum= size 2GB > US

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> I'm trying to point out that SL had better have an idea of what it >> wants out of SoaS if it wants to invest time in it.  So far it seems >> like SL wants to put in (great) marketing and get out a linux distro >> that beats

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
> I'm trying to point out that SL had better have an idea of what it > wants out of SoaS if it wants to invest time in it.  So far it seems > like SL wants to put in (great) marketing and get out a linux distro > that beats Fedora in hardware and community support. I don't

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi Walter, > I'm trying to point out that SL had better have an idea of what it wants out of SoaS if it wants to invest time in it.  So far it seems like SL wants to put in (great) marketing and get out a linux distro tha

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi Walter, >>> I'm trying to point out that SL had better have an idea of what it >>> wants out of SoaS if it wants to invest time in it.  So far it seems >>> like SL wants to put in (great) marketing and get out a linux distro >>> that beats Fedora in hardware and community support. >> >> I don't

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > Hi Martin, > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Martin Dengler > wrote: [snip] >> I'm trying to point out that SL had better have an idea of what it >> wants out of SoaS if it wants to invest time in it.  So far it seems >> like SL wants to

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Wade Brainerd
Hi Martin, On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 04:02:50PM -0400, Wade Brainerd wrote: > > Anyway, why are we talking about the effort to maintain a distro? > > Because we keep getting requests to look like a distro vendor: > > - http://lists.sugarlabs.

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 04:02:50PM -0400, Wade Brainerd wrote: > Anyway, why are we talking about the effort to maintain a distro? Because we keep getting requests to look like a distro vendor: - http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-July/016566.html - http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/

[SoaS] Trisquel 3.0RC( 0.86) installs to 2GB USB with persistence

2009-09-29 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
I just discovered that the CD of Trisquel 3.0 RC http://devel.trisquel.info/trisquel-sugar_3.0RC_i686.iso "Install to Hard Disk" option on initial boot screen recognizes and installs to a USB. Minimum= size 2GB USB has persistence and is Sugar 0.86.0 = DANGE

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] SOAS[DP] Educator's Opinion

2009-09-29 Thread Caryl Bigenho
I guess I'm "nobody"! I actually did choose my iPod by its "model number"...in fact, a model name and a capacity... Classic 80GB. I did the same with my Mac ...MacBook with a 120GB drive. I chose my software: Leopard (10.5.8). I run iLife 09 but have installed the older iMovie 06 because it i

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Wade Brainerd
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > Thank you Martin. I think that is spot on! > > >> We've been a distro distributor for months - from the before the > >> beta-1 Sugar on a Stick announcement. > > > > Who's we? sugaronastick.com? Sugar Labs members? Let's be clear: > > Sug

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
Thank you Martin. I think that is spot on! >> We've been a distro distributor for months - from the before the >> beta-1 Sugar on a Stick announcement. > > Who's we?  sugaronastick.com?  Sugar Labs members?  Let's be clear: > Sugar Labs does not have the staff to compete with Canonical or Fedora >

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 09:24:13PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > We've been a distro distributor for months - from the before the > beta-1 Sugar on a Stick announcement. Who's we? sugaronastick.com? Sugar Labs members? Let's be clear: Sugar Labs does not have the staff to compete with Canonical or

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Sean DALY
We've been a distro distributor for months - from the before the beta-1 Sugar on a Stick announcement. And, we are marketing it with success (cf. worldwide tech press coverage, the BBC, etc). We can do this because we are very, very careful not to overpromise. Part of our work is to jumpstart a

Re: [SoaS] Contents of SoaS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 07:39:29AM +1300, Tabitha Roder wrote: > > Message: 9 > > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:56:06 -0700 > > From: Caryl Bigenho > > > > Sugar4CD/PC/F11 (Sugar, version 4, made for liveCD, runs on PCs, Fedora11 > > based). > > > > Caryl > > This makes sense to me (educator not dev

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] SOAS[DP] Educator's Opinion

2009-09-29 Thread Sean DALY
I don't agree with this at all. Nobody chooses an iPod based on its model number. The best approach is for us to discuss with distros their Sugar plans so we can build Sugar use in an organized way. That includes names, which is a marketing issue. Sean On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Caryl Bi

[SoaS] [DP] Distro vendor or bust (was: Re: [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel)

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 01:27:10PM -0400, Wade Brainerd wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Martin Dengler > wrote: > Isn't there a grey area between distro vendor and nothing? Absolutely. You cut off my mention of it when you quoted my reply :). Do you have a proposal? Might help with th

Re: [SoaS] Contents of SoaS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 8

2009-09-29 Thread Tabitha Roder
> Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:56:06 -0700 > From: Caryl Bigenho > > Sugar4CD/PC/F11 (Sugar, version 4, made for liveCD, runs on PCs, Fedora11 > based). > > Caryl This makes sense to me (educator not developer) and for educators reporting bugs or asking for help it would be good to see

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Wade Brainerd
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 05:25:33PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > > Sugar on a Stick is the central pillar of our marketing strategy. > > > > As such we need to protect the name and have final say over its use. > > We/you/SL needs to consider: >

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 05:25:33PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: > Sugar on a Stick is the central pillar of our marketing strategy. > > As such we need to protect the name and have final say over its use. We/you/SL needs to consider: 1) how SL is going to market/name something it doesn't create (if S

[SoaS] SOAS[DP] Educator's Opinion

2009-09-29 Thread Caryl Bigenho
Hello Folks, With all this discussion of naming conventions, we seem to be failing to consider our targeted end-users: classroom teachers. Most of them think Fedora is a hat. It could just as well be "derby" as far as they are concerned. I suggest we propose a name to apply to all Sugar dist

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Sean DALY
Sugar on a Stick is the central pillar of our marketing strategy. As such we need to protect the name and have final say over its use. I'll explain again later on, have to go offline now. thanks Sean On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Bill Bogstad wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Sea

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP][DP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > "Sugar on a Stick" is not trademarked; my position is that it should > be, and the sooner the better. It's my understanding that a trademark protects a name that you want to use for something (or class of things). It allows you to stop other p

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > "Sugar on a Stick" is not trademarked; my position is that it should > be, and the sooner the better. Is it actually possible to trademark it now its actively being used by third parties? Peter ___ So

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Sean DALY
"Sugar on a Stick" is not trademarked; my position is that it should be, and the sooner the better. I'm all for changing our strategy, marketing and PR, but there needs to be compelling marketing reasons for doing so. I haven't heard any yet. Like throwing out code, doing so has a cost. Sean On

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 09:24:34AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > Karen is SFC lawyer with whom I have been discussing trademark issues. > Rather than everyone on the list bombarding her with questions, could > we please come up with a composite list that we can present to her? Some possible questi

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Walter Bender
Karen is SFC lawyer with whom I have been discussing trademark issues. Rather than everyone on the list bombarding her with questions, could we please come up with a composite list that we can present to her? thanks, -walter On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2

Re: [SoaS] [IAEP] Announcing the creation of a SoaS Decision Panel

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 08:39:41AM -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Martin Dengler > wrote: > > As an attempt at speeding this up, I propose the following outline of > > the DP report to SLOB: > > > [snip] > > >> *  Should 'Sugar on a Stick' be a phrase that SL asks

Re: [SoaS] [DP] Why current linux install systems aren't good enough for truly portable Linux installations.

2009-09-29 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 03:05:51AM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: > [I'm tagging this note as a Decision Panel message since I think it's > relevant to why I think Sugar Labs should at > a minimum do its own Linux distribution variant. If SL is going to > promote Sugar to the masses via a live USB ima

Re: [SoaS] [Marketing] Generating a list of SoaS spins

2009-09-29 Thread Peter Robinson
>>> > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:22:56PM -0400, Mel Chua wrote: >>> >> And yep. I think that keeping track of other Sugar liveUSB >>> >> implementations is going to help this, because that way we can keep >>> >> track of naming. ("Sugar liveUSB implementations" is a much better >>> >> term than "So

Re: [SoaS] [DP] Why current linux install systems aren't good enough for truly portable Linux installations.

2009-09-29 Thread Bill Bogstad
[I'm tagging this note as a Decision Panel message since I think it's relevant to why I think Sugar Labs should at a minimum do its own Linux distribution variant. If SL is going to promote Sugar to the masses via a live USB images we need to be in a position to work directly on the kinds of probl