Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-07-16 Thread Jacni Qin
Hi Stig, Thanks a lot for your comments. On 7/14/2012 Saturday 4:57 AM, Stig Venaas wrote: On 7/12/2012 8:20 PM, Jacni Qin wrote: Hi all, Please see below the text updated according to the comments received. Many thanks to Stig, Simon, Shailesh, and others for their review and discussions.

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-07-13 Thread Stig Venaas
On 7/12/2012 8:20 PM, Jacni Qin wrote: Hi all, Please see below the text updated according to the comments received. Many thanks to Stig, Simon, Shailesh, and others for their review and discussions. Thanks, this addresses at least some of my concerns. Let me try to list the issues I

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-07-12 Thread Jacni Qin
Hi all, Please see below the text updated according to the comments received. Many thanks to Stig, Simon, Shailesh, and others for their review and discussions. 4.2. Multicast Distribution Tree Computation ... The mAFTR MUST advertise

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-28 Thread Jacni Qin
Re-, Thanks a lot for your review and comments, we'll update it accordingly. Cheers, Jacni On 6/28/2012 Thursday 12:42 AM, Shailesh Suman wrote: Hi Lee, Thanks for your reply. It clarifies some of my queries now. Hope to see the revison tries to address these points. Regards..

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-27 Thread Shailesh Suman
Hi Lee, Thanks for your reply. It clarifies some of my queries now. Hope to see the revison tries to address these points. Regards.. -Shailesh On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Lee, Yiu yiu_...@cable.comcast.com wrote: Hi Shailesh, Thanks very much of reviewing the draft. Please read

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-26 Thread Shailesh Suman
Hi All, I see few points of this draft need to be addressed to address complete solution. 1). Section 6.2 mentions the mB4 must drop non-matching (mPrefix64 and uPrefix64) packets silently. There can be scenarios, where some of LAN Multicast receivers are supporting native IPv6. How will

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-26 Thread Lee, Yiu
Hi Shailesh, Thanks very much of reviewing the draft. Please read comments inline: On 6/26/12 8:07 AM, Shailesh Suman sumanshail...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I see few points of this draft need to be addressed to address complete solution. 1). Section 6.2 mentions the mB4 must drop

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-21 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
Folks, We have published revised version of our draft on multicast extensions to DS-Lite at http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-sarikaya-softwire-dslitemulticast-01.txt We think that this draft should be part of draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast. Regards, Behcet

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-13 Thread mohamed.boucadair
this clarifies your concern. Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : softwires-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:softwires-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de Behcet Sarikaya Envoyé : mercredi 13 juin 2012 00:23 À : Lee, Yiu Cc : softwires@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-13 Thread mohamed.boucadair
; Yong Cui Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02 Hi Med, Thanks for your kind reply. I was talking about http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-softwire-dslite6rdmul ticast-00 (which is now expired, I'll explain why below) Profiting the occasion, let me

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-12 Thread Tom Taylor
Well, it is still in the Softwires domain if it tunnels the multicast data, is it not? On 12/06/2012 4:11 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: I think that a decision should be made on this draft. If it is going to present a generic solution it could be fine but then such a draft does not meet Softwire

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-12 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com wrote: Well, it is still in the Softwires domain if it tunnels the multicast data, is it not? It is not the case in the draft currently, check Sections 4.3 6.2. Behcet On 12/06/2012 4:11 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: I

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-12 Thread Lee, Yiu
Hi Behect, You confuse me. 4.3 said this: When the mAFTR receives an IPv4 multicast packet, it will encapsulate the packet into an IPv6 multicast packet using the IPv4-embedded IPv6 multicast address as the destination address and an IPv4-embedded IPv6 unicast address as the source

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-12 Thread Lee, Yiu
+1 On 6/12/12 4:46 PM, Stig Venaas s...@venaas.com wrote: On 6/12/2012 1:11 PM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: I think that a decision should be made on this draft. If it is going to present a generic solution it could be fine but then such a draft does not meet Softwire charter item so it can not

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-11 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Venaas; softwires@ietf.org; Yong Cui Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02 Hi Med, I agree with Woj. I do not favor moving this draft to somewhere else. Instead this draft should be revised to make it Multicast extensions to DS-Lite as in the charter

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-11 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02 Hi Med, I agree with Woj. I do not favor moving this draft to somewhere else. Instead this draft should be revised to make it Multicast extensions to DS-Lite as in the charter. There is enough time to do it. Regards

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-11 Thread Stig Venaas
-Message d'origine- De : Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2...@gmail.com] Envoyé : vendredi 8 juin 2012 17:35 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : Wojciech Dec; Stig Venaas; softwires@ietf.org; Yong Cui Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02 Hi Med

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-11 Thread Stig Venaas
] Envoyé : jeudi 7 juin 2012 20:20 À : Stig Venaas Cc : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; softwires@ietf.org; Yong Cui Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02 On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Stig Venaas s...@venaas.com wrote: On 6/7/2012 10:08 AM, Behcet

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-08 Thread mohamed.boucadair
, Med De : Wojciech Dec [mailto:wdec.i...@gmail.com] Envoyé : vendredi 8 juin 2012 09:57 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : sarik...@ieee.org; Stig Venaas; softwires@ietf.org; Yong Cui Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-08 Thread Jacni Qin
Re-, On 6/5/2012 Tuesday 9:09 PM, Simon Perreault wrote: On 2012-06-04 22:13, Jacni Qin wrote: Section 6.1 introduces IGMP/MLD translation, but I fear it is very underspecified. Our own effort at specifying IGMP/MLD translation is in draft-perreault-mboned-igmp-mld-translation. I feel that

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-08 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
...@gmail.com] Envoyé : jeudi 7 juin 2012 20:20 À : Stig Venaas Cc : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; softwires@ietf.org; Yong Cui Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02 On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Stig Venaas s...@venaas.com wrote: On 6/7/2012 10:08

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-08 Thread Stig Venaas
À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : sarik...@ieee.org; Stig Venaas; softwires@ietf.org; Yong Cui Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02 Hello Med, there is no dependency here on ds-lite, ie This has all the hallmarks of a standalone solution, which

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-08 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Stig Venaas s...@venaas.com wrote: On 6/8/2012 8:34 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: Hi Med, I agree with Woj. I do not favor moving this draft to somewhere else. Instead this draft should be revised to make it Multicast extensions to DS-Lite as in the charter.

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-07 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Perreault Envoyé : lundi 28 mai 2012 16:11 À : Yong Cui Cc : softwires@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02 On 2012-05-27 10:34, Yong Cui wrote: This is a wg last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02. Section 6.1 introduces IGMP/MLD

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-07 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2012-06-07 08:51, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Among the use cases of high priority identified in http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mboned-v4v6-mcast-ps-00#section-3.6, the IGMP/MLD IWF is only required for the use case described in draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast. The

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-07 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Re-, See inline. Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : Simon Perreault [mailto:simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca] Envoyé : jeudi 7 juin 2012 15:47 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP Cc : Yong Cui; softwires@ietf.org Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-07 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:07 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Hi Woj, DS-Lite terminology is used in the sense that an IPv4 receiver is delivered (IPv4) multicast content (from an IPv4 source) over an IPv6 network. The generic use case as described in

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-07 Thread Stig Venaas
Here are my last call comments. I think substantial changes are needed to the draft. I understand that this draft is focusing on dslite. But it appears that it is a generic solution. As it says in the draft: An IPv4 receiver accesses IPv4 multicast contents over an IPv6- only

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-07 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Stig Venaas s...@venaas.com wrote: On 6/7/2012 10:08 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:07 AM,mohamed.boucad...@orange.com  wrote: So you are saying that this draft does not correspond to Multicast extensions for DS-Lite? I sent a

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-06 Thread Wojciech Dec
+1 The IGMP/MLD translation is the key piece of this draft and needs to be thorough. In addition a general observation: This draft appears to have very little in common with DS-Lite (nothing except use of IPinIP on my reading), and using that reference and the AFTR terms is confusing. The fact

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-06 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Wojciech Dec wdec.i...@gmail.com wrote: +1 The IGMP/MLD translation is the key piece of this draft and needs to be thorough. In addition a general observation: This draft appears to have very little in common with DS-Lite (nothing except use of IPinIP on my

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-05 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2012-06-04 22:13, Jacni Qin wrote: Section 6.1 introduces IGMP/MLD translation, but I fear it is very underspecified. Our own effort at specifying IGMP/MLD translation is in draft-perreault-mboned-igmp-mld-translation. I feel that DS-Lite multicast would be better served by referencing our

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-04 Thread Jacni Qin
hi simon, Sorry for the late reply, please see below, On 5/28/2012 Monday 10:11 PM, Simon Perreault wrote: On 2012-05-27 10:34, Yong Cui wrote: This is a wg last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02. Section 6.1 introduces IGMP/MLD translation, but I fear it is very

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-05-28 Thread Simon Perreault
On 2012-05-27 10:34, Yong Cui wrote: This is a wg last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02. Section 6.1 introduces IGMP/MLD translation, but I fear it is very underspecified. Our own effort at specifying IGMP/MLD translation is in draft-perreault-mboned-igmp-mld-translation. I

[Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-05-27 Thread Yong Cui
Hi folks, This is a wg last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02. http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast/ As usual, please send editorial comments to the authors and substantive comments to the mailing list. This wg last call will end on June 10 at 12pm