RE: Sprinklers over low partitions RETORT

2017-04-08 Thread John Paulsen
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of accentf...@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 1:14 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Sprinklers over low partitions RETORT John: It is my opinion there is nothing "wrong" with y

Re: Sprinklers over low partitions RETORT

2017-04-08 Thread ACCENTFIRE
John: It is my opinion there is nothing "wrong" with your design approach, which, in the end, means nothing. Have a licensed/professional Fire Protection Engineer (PE/FPE) evaluate your correct design approach - his or her opinion DOES mean something...That should make your plans examiner

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread John Paulsen
Thanks Mark -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mark Phillips Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 11:29 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions Sir I agree that the

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread Mark Phillips
Crown FSD -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mark Phillips Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 11:15 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions Could your use as sheet metal

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread John Paulsen
...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mark Phillips Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 11:15 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions Could your use as sheet metal shields attached to the deck where needed? Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Apr 8

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread Mark Phillips
projects? John P Crown FSD From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Drucker - Home Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 10:44 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions Steve, You are a reputable guy

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread John Paulsen
Oh, and I would expect the same response from him too! From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Paulsen Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 11:13 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions THAT

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread John Paulsen
org> ] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 9:26 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions Copy that. As a third-party designer, I understand what you're say

Re: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread rongreenman .
7 9:26 AM > > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* RE: Sprinklers over low partitions > > > > Copy that. As a third-party designer, I understand what you're saying. On > the other hand, I have a reputation throughout Southern California

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread John Paulsen
Drucker - Home Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 10:44 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions Steve, You are a reputable guy, not all are. I've seen plenty massage the code to make stuff work in the interest of their clients. Had one consultant

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread John Drucker - Home
orum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 9:26 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions Copy that. As a third-party designer, I understand what you're saying. On the other hand, I have a repu

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread John Paulsen
ng. John P. Crown FSD From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 9:26 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions Copy that. As a third-party designe

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread Steve Leyton
al message From: John Paulsen Date: 4/8/17 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions Steve: If I were the installing contractor I would definitely approach the problem the way you suggest. But as a sub-contracted designer, it i

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread John Paulsen
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 9:18 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions I would ask the owner of the project to help you acquire information about mini storage industry

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2017-04-08 Thread John Paulsen
low partitions John, 13, 8.5.5.1 and A.8.5.5.1 may support his position. _ From: "John Paulsen" mailto:j...@crwnfire.com> > To: "sprinklerforum" mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:49:01 AM Subject: RE

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread Steve Leyton
I would ask the owner of the project to help you acquire information about mini storage industry standard practices. The reason that the partitions are not full height is the same reason that hospital curtains have a drop with a between the track and the top of the panel - it's for fire sprinkl

Re: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread wmenster
John, 13, 8.5.5.1 and A.8.5.5.1 may support his position.   - Original Message - From: "John Paulsen" To: "sprinklerforum" Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:49:01 AM Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions Ouch! Kinda makes you want to see him hold

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread John Paulsen
Subject: Re: Sprinklers over low partitions Don't feel bad. I still remember the time that I had an NFPA interpretation to back me up on a problem with an AHJ. He told me that the opinion of the technical committee members do not carry any more weight than his own. And that they were

Re: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread Travis Mack, SET
Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:39 AM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* Re: Sprinklers over low partitions John, Unfortunatelyyou are dealing with an AHJ that is subjectively making a decision based on his personal ideas relative to Fire Sprinkler spacing and operation. Furth

RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

2017-04-08 Thread John Paulsen
P Crown FSD From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of 321 Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:39 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Sprinklers over low partitions John, Unfortunatelyyou are dealing with an AHJ that

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2017-04-08 Thread 321
John, Unfortunatelyyou are dealing with an AHJ that is subjectively making a decision based on his personal ideas relative to Fire Sprinkler spacing and operation. Further...he doesn't realize that the low partitions have no effect upon the Fire Sprinkler operation or discharge characteristi