Bill:

 

Thanks, but the spray pattern figure actually supports mine. Where I am having 
the most trouble complying with his demand for a head over each unit is the 

5’ x 5’ units. I can’t get the heads spaced over them without breaking the 6’ 
rule. The spray pattern shows that the pattern develops at least a 4’ throw by 
the magic 18”, so to my mind, each head spaced over the top of a partition will 
easily throw to the opposite partition on either side. (Tyco’s spray pattern 
actually is better than NFPA-13s BTW) 

 

I believe the layout I described is the optimum for the application, but this 
guy is making the contractor (and me) add heads for no reason. 

 

John P

Crown FSD

 

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
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Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 9:09 AM
To: sprinklerforum <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Sprinklers over low partitions

 

John,

13, 8.5.5.1 and A.8.5.5.1 may support his position.

 

 

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From: "John Paulsen" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
To: "sprinklerforum" <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> >
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:49:01 AM
Subject: RE: Sprinklers over low partitions

 

Ouch! Kinda makes you want to see him holding the 2 ½” hose by himself with the 
pumper cranked up huh?

 

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Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:47 AM
To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 
Subject: Re: Sprinklers over low partitions

 

Don't feel bad.  I still remember the time that I had an NFPA interpretation to 
back me up on a problem with an AHJ.  He told me that the opinion of the 
technical committee members do not carry any more weight than his own.  And 
that they were wrong.  That whole thing led to a jurisdiction requiring all 
combination standpipes to be 6" minimum, regardless if calculated to be 4" or 
not.

Travis Mack, SET
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On 4/8/2017 2:43 AM, John Paulsen wrote:

Thanks John,

 

Normally that would be the approach I would take, but I despair of any hope in 
being able to educate this particular individual. I’ve tried twice with no 
success. Sometimes it helps to know I’m not the one who’s nuts! It’s getting 
harder and harder to tell these days.

 

John P

Crown FSD

 

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Behalf Of 321
Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:39 AM
To: [email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> 
Subject: Re: Sprinklers over low partitions

 

John,

 

Unfortunately....you are dealing with an AHJ that is subjectively making a 
decision based on his personal ideas relative to Fire Sprinkler spacing and 
operation. Further...he doesn't realize that the low partitions have no effect 
upon the Fire Sprinkler operation or discharge characteristics.

 

Your challenge is to educate this person as to the fact that the NFPA Technical 
Committee takes all factors into account in developing the codes. I would 
suggest using some of the data from NFPA  13 on obstructions to educate this 
person as to how the discharge cone develops and that there is no more 
likelihood of a fire developing in the center of a space than there is along 
one of these low partitions.

 

Good luck!

 

 

 

 

John W. Farabee

VP Fire Sprinkler Division

Atlantic Realty and Building, LLC

Jupiter, Fl

561-707-5150

Florida License No.

FPC16-000106

 

 

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 5:14 AM, John Paulsen <[email protected] 
<mailto:[email protected]> > wrote:

 

We are in the final phases of designing a self-storage facility (Ord Haz, Grp 
II) that has upright, quick response sprinklers with the deflectors at least 
18” above the top of the individual storage unit partitions. In some cases 
where the units are 5’x5’ or 5’x10’ we have located the sprinklers directly 
over the top of the low partition. Our design concept is that the sprinkler 
will throw evenly to each side of the partition and cover the space on either 
side. This prevents us from have to “stagger” the sprinklers with arm-overs to 
prevent spacing closer than 6’ apart. We have also provided the manufacturer’s 
sprinkler spray pattern information to support our design concept. 

 

Now the local plan reviewer is telling us that he will not accept this 
sprinkler arrangement and that each unit has to have sprinkler(s) over them. 
This is the second project that we have done in this jurisdiction and we ran 
into a similar issue with the first one that we solved with the sprinkler over 
the partition arrangement. Now he will not accept this solution, but he doesn’t 
site any code or handbook reference that we are violating. Is our design 
concept  contrary to the provisions of NFPA-13? A review of NFPA-13 only 
specifically deals with sprinkler spacing over low partitions in light hazard 
occupancies, not OH II, so I have no code guidance. 

 

Comments would be greatly appreciated.

 

John Paulsen – SET

Crown Fire System Design

6282 Seeds Rd.

Grove City, OH 43123

P – 614-782-2438

F – 614-782-2374

C – 614-348-8206

 

 

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