Once adopted (with any revisions) a standard becomes a code and will
be be given a number in line with whatever system your state might
use. For instance here in Washington the state adopts the X edition of
the IBC with revisions and if it becomes Revised Code of Washington
(RCW) number Y. If the r
As a follow up, This is the first time anyone has ever questioned us not
having sprinklers in a small utility type structure not connected to the
building. It's more like a big Gazebo, just for dropping off people.
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Yes, I have. If it were attached, as is usually the case there would be no
question, we would provide sprinklers as a continuation of the building.
This one is 6' from the building not attached.
Thanks, any other ideas?
Don
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See NFPA 13 (2002) section 8.14.7, especially handbook commentary.
However, local building code may trump this and you will need to
check them.
At 08:01 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
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Dear Forum,
Fully sprinklered ALF building, Detached Porte Cochere 500 SF, with no
connectors at all to the building. Does the porte cochere have to be
sprinklered.
IBC shows it should be a U occupancy <1000 sf so doesn't require separation
distances. I looked in the archives but didn'
And that's why its crucial to Always read specs before bidding, and if
necessary condition the bid.
Forest Wilson Project Manager Cherokee Fire
Protection Co. 1855 Bellbrook Ave. Ste C Xenia OH 45385
888-347-3079 ph 614-455-4324 fx
Bingo. Problem is most people reading this already know that and most
people not involved only learn the hard way. Just when they learn, in
comes the next one. Gotta love it.
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We're from the federal government and we are here to help you.
The technical point to be made is that doing government work is a
whole different world and you best learn the dance before stepping
onto that floor. I won't belabor the point that it typically doubles
with questionable real ben
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I'll have what he's drinking.
>3.4.6 Pipe Joints
>Pipe joints shall conform to NFPA 13, except as modified herein. Not more
>than four threads shall show after joint is made up. Welded joints will be
>permitted, only if welding operations are performed as required by NFPA 13
>at the Contractor'
Welcome to the Corps.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:11 PM, wrote:
> Boy, welding up that 150ft, 6" main and transporting to the site would be a
> challenge since you've got to do it in your shop.
>
> Do they have a Groove Inspector Division with vernier calipers checking those
> grooves?
>
> Who t
Boy, welding up that 150ft, 6" main and transporting to the site would be a
challenge since you've got to do it in your shop.
Do they have a Groove Inspector Division with vernier calipers checking those
grooves?
Who thinks up these specs?
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mec
Where else would you put a requirement for access panels other than in
the paragraph titled "Pipe Joints".
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
21605 N. Central Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85024
P: 623.580.7836
F: 623.434.3420
C: 602.763.4160
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"unless an access panel is SHOWN on the drawings for servicing or adjusting
the joint."
So show it on the drawing, it doesn't say it has to be installed, LOL.
I know, I know someplace else it says install per drawing. Just strikes me
as a funny way to write a requirement.
Chris Cahill, P.E.
Cut, hand groove, rotate, mechanical coupling, done. Ok if you don't want
to hand groove in the air cut remove both sides and insert two pre-fab'ed
pieces thread by groove.
Chris
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Ron,
Here's what it says (see last sentence) and the Corps follows these
guidelines by law:
3.4.6 Pipe Joints
Pipe joints shall conform to NFPA 13, except as modified herein. Not more
than four threads shall show after joint is made up. Welded joints will be
permitted, only if welding operations
Upright is the caveat. None of the uprights go to 40 ft, or at least
what I can find. There are supposedly heads in for testing at that
height, but I don't know if anything has been listed yet.
I am trying to retrofit an existing system with uprights. Screwed 2"
branch lines on a grid, so rota
Was that advice from your friend Guido. Was the name Hoffa ever mentioned?
lol
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
craig.pr.
Staggered (membrane). We have passed along the '99 SBC info that Craig
supplied earlier, and imagine that - he's satisfied. If that didn't work, I
was going to take the advice a friend on the west coast suggested.
Thanks to all.
Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 42
Here is a new one (to me) from our friends at the COE. Has anyone out
there run into this before and if so what did you do?
Unified Facilities Guide Specification, 3.4.6 Pipe Joints. "Grooved
joints shall ne be used in concealed locations, such as behind solid
walls or ceiling, unless an access pa
Bobby,
Does the sprinkler line stagger within the wall assembly (making it a
membrane penetration)? or is it a straight shot through the wall (making it
a through penetration)?
Bill,
Could you argue that by firestopping the backside of the through penetration
essentially makes the escutcheon side
Viking as well.
Bobby McCullough
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby
Gillett
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:00 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: CMSA upright
I thought
I thought Reliable had some new listings lately on them, might check theirs
as well.
Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
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Just to clarify, if it makes a difference, the sprinklers going to the two
rooms are staggered not being fed from a tee or cross.
Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
Check Victaulic. They have some new CMSA heads.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
21605 N. Central Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85024
P: 623.580.7836
F: 623.434.3420
C: 602.763.4160
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] O
Back to the original question - it looks like you have
through-penetrations of fire rated separation walls in each case. Room
sprinklers fed off a bullhead tee, in the case of the stair you are
going from the corridor to the stair. Neither is a membrane
penetration, both would be through-penetrat
I am working on a warehouse that is in need of significant upgrading.
Is there a CMSA upright sprinkler for rack storage that is approved
for buildings 40 ft in height? (Actual building height 38'-3")
Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, Connecticut
www.fpdc.com
860
Thanks to all.
Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
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BOCA 714.1.6.2 (1999) permits noncombustible escutcheons to be used in
lieu of firestopping...sorry no SBC in the office.
Duane Johnson, PE
Program Manager
Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor)
Office of Research Services
National Institute of Health
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You gotta love the local yokels.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:52 AM, wrote:
> He might need to make a call to the State F.M. since TN adopted the IFC
> Effective December 16, 2008 and IBC Effective September 1, 2008.
>
> http://www.tennessee.gov/commerce/sfm/fpcesect.shtml
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>
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> Craig L. Prahl,
He might need to make a call to the State F.M. since TN adopted the IFC
Effective December 16, 2008 and IBC Effective September 1, 2008.
http://www.tennessee.gov/commerce/sfm/fpcesect.shtml
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 I
Thanks, Craig. He is using SBC '99. This project is in Northwest TN - local
city fire marshal.
Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax
(731) 267-4853 cell
bobby.gill...@keyfireprotection.com
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Slept in the parking lot..
At 12:51 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
>Must have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night. ;)
>
>
>Craig L. Prahl, CET
>Fire Protection Specialist
>Mechanical Department
>CH2MHILL
>Lockwood Greene
>1500 International Drive
>PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
>
Must have stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night. ;)
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
http://www.ch
Not recognizing the IBC, what state is he from BTW?
The SBC 1999 section 705.6.2 (3) says the same thing we've quoted from the IBC
s far as exceptions.This is dealing with membrane penetrations like the
line going into the wall with a sidewall sprinkler on the other end.
Tell him to lo
-->triumvirate
Good Word!
Matthew J. Willis
Norred Fire Systems L.L.C.
318-387-1134 Voice
318-387-1163 Facsimile
m...@norredfire.com
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Thur
SBC? Southern Building Code? I thought that was part of the
triumvirate that created the ICC?
At 11:44 AM 4/30/2009, you wrote:
>Well the rating of the escutcheon is back, we replied to the fire marshall
>with the comments from the IBC. His response was - show me the rating on the
>escutcheon or
Well the rating of the escutcheon is back, we replied to the fire marshall
with the comments from the IBC. His response was - show me the rating on the
escutcheon or show me in the SBC, I'm not recognizing the IBC. Anybody have
it in the SBC?
Thank You,
Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
K
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