I am not sure what you are referring to exactly, but we often use a flow
switch wored to a 6 electric bell.
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Todd - Work t...@fpdc.com wrote:
I have an FM that wants local alarms for a 13R system within each unit (3
family house). Any suggestions on a small
Connect via WF switch to the smoke alarms.
John Drucker - Mobile Email
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I was thinking that a 6 bell inside an apartment might be a little overkill as
well as obtrusive.
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
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On May 29, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Greg McGahan g...@livingwaterfp.com wrote:
I am not sure what you are referring to
John,
Do you really want to connect to smoke alarms (assuming that is feasible in
this situation) in an apartment? Wouldn't a separate alarm be better so you
know if you have water flow or burned the toast?
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
www.fpdc.com
On
NFPA 101:30.3.4.2.3In buildings protected throughout by an approved,
supervised automatic sprinkler system in accordance with 30.3.5, required fire
alarm systems shall be initiated upon operation of the automatic sprinkler
system.
Someone will need to go through Section 30.3.4.3 for
Forum,
I performed an Inspection a few days ago and the building is design as Ord2
with the exception of the shipping area which is Class 3.
I noticed in a few areas they have installed on single rack against the
outside wall with misc storage stacked at various heights.
I have never seen
Yes,
If the alarms work, and water flows, pass the system and move on. Unless of
course you were doing a NFPA 13 Inspection/evaluation.
R/
Matt
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Chris - there are a couple issues:
1. This was part of an inspection? If done per NFPA 25, you would not be
evaluating the adequacy of protection - though as been suggested many times on
this Forum, you may consider a separate note apart from the inspection forms
indicating a concern
Thanks for your replies Matt and Mark
They asked if they needed sprinklers in the racks and I was just checking on
their behalf. I always write up a situation like this as needing a
evaluation as you desiribed and leave it at that,
Chris
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Todd,
Potter makes a small 120 VAC mini horn in white or red, model MH 120. It's the
size of a single gang plate.
Regards,
mike
Mike Henke CET
Sprinkler Product Manager
Potter Electric Signal Co.
www.pottersignal.com
314-595-6740 Direct
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Chris,
The commodity and storage arrangement (length, height, single, double, etc)
would need to be evaluated. Next the sprinkler system would need to be
hydraulically evaluated. At that point, you can determine if in rack sprinklers
are required.
One independent rack can be sprinklered and
What's the purpose of these local alarms ?, to alert the dwelling unit
occupants ? First and foremost is a fire alarm system required in this
building in accordance with IBC 907 ? If so then a fire alarm system is
required pursuant to IBC 907 and accordingly notification appliances in
accordance
This is an older single story 3 family side-by-side structure. The 13R system
is being retrofitted. I believe (am confirming) that they have local hard wired
smoke detectors only. Located in MA.
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
www.fpdc.com
On May 29, 2013,
Taking a different line of questioning, what is the classification of an
individual rack (4 ft deep) that is by itself and located against a wall (say
12 inches off the wall)?
Roland
On May 29, 2013, at 6:46 AM, Fire Protection Services
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I noticed in a few
Could it reasonably meet the definition of miscellaneous storage in
13? If so, depending on the commodity, and height of storage, OH2 may
be the required design.
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Couldn't treat em as 13d irc townhouses?
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On May 29, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Todd - Work t...@fpdc.com wrote:
This is an older single story 3 family side-by-side structure. The 13R system
is being retrofitted. I believe (am confirming) that they have local hard
wired smoke
Using smoke detectors at first blush seems like a bad idea. A separate sounder
that would indicate water flow in my view be a better choice. Many local
jurisdictions require this and the intent is to notify occupants. The sounder
Mike Henke noted has been a staple in the State of CA for years.
Tried that, George. Local FM wants 13R.
I'm not sure these units have proper fire separation. Two of them built in the
late 1940s and the 3rd one added in the 1960s.
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
www.fpdc.com
On May 29, 2013, at 11:20 AM, George Church
What's the purpose of these local alarms ?, to alert the dwelling unit
occupants ? First and foremost is a fire alarm system required in this
building in accordance with IBC 907 ? If so then a fire alarm system is
required pursuant to IBC 907 and accordingly notification appliances in
accordance
Group A Plastics, with plastic pallets, encapsulation ESFR with pump...
R/
Matt
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It may be possible to activate both the smoke alarms and a separate waterflow
alarm.
The flowswitch should have 2 sets of contacts.
One switch can activate a local alarm such as the 120 vac mini horn
The other switch may be able to activate the smoke alarms.
This would provide the additional
We had a local town home rule go into effect 15+ years ago requiring
sprinklers in anything 3+ units substantially renovated but it forgot to
mention annunciation (also forgot water supply). Many slick property owners
got together and sued and after the dust settled, it was decided to put an
The FM asked for the sprinkler alarms to be connected to ring the smoke
detectors. I asked if a separate bell would be acceptable. The present system
is essentially residential hard wired smokes. I'm not sure if all of the
devices in each unit go off when one activates. There is no
Todd, How old are the smoke alarms ?, at 10 yrs. their due for replacement
anyway.
As I commented earlier, a prescriptive way to solve the issue.
John Drucker, CET
Fire Protection Subcode Official
Fire / Building / Electrical Inspector
New Jersey
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My contract does not include alarms, only the sprinklers. It will be up to the
owner and the FM to work that detail out. I have been asked to show a strobe
outside and a local interior alarm on the drawing. My original post was asking
for a specific product in a small, reasonably unobtrusive
Last cycle, when we were discussing yet another proposal to require a
mandatory local waterflow alarm in 13D, I asked out loud why it would be
so difficult to do just as Todd's fire official directed, i.e. use the
smoke detector loop as an audible network. And the answer is as simple
as most of
I don't think this is your problem. It's an alarm problem. You just need to
provide a means to trigger an alarm. Hereabouts a normal is a fire alarm
system in common areas with an attached peizo in each unit and local smoke
alarms throughout the units. But I don't care about this as the sprinkie.
Horn strobe?
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On May 29, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Todd - Work t...@fpdc.com wrote:
My contract does not include alarms, only the sprinklers. It will be up to
the owner and the FM to work that detail out. I have been asked to show a
strobe outside and a local interior alarm on
There's this:
fireal...@yahoogroups.com
It's sponsored by AFAA.
http://www.afaa.org/
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Phong - Indochine Engineering
ph...@indoeng.com wrote:
Dear All,
This is the sprinkler forum, I wonder if there is a similar forum with
mail list similar to this, for
Steve,
Absolutely valid idea to use the interconnected smoke alarms (ps the
interconnect doesnt even have to be hardwired with the 2012 I-Codes) as alarm
notification for a waterflow condition on 13D systems where a household fire
alarm system is not required or provided. This is consistent
My friend Mike pointed out he represents an equivalent peizo. So in the
spirit of fairness.
http://www.pottersignal.com/Fire/pdf/8850049_HP25T.pdf
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com wrote:
This seems ridiculous if here will be a fire alarm system as that will
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