RE: Material Prices !!

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Re: Material Prices !!

My hogwash radar alarm went off. So I checked. People in the fire sprinkler protection business did time combing through code and standards books. I cannot apologize for checking. US Antitrust laws comprise three acts. One is The Sherman Anti-Trust Act. It is all about conspiracy in restraint

Re: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking

Considering all the comments: ",,,the vehicle is parked temporarily and a fire starts" (Scott). That could be while I'm still in the taxi settling up with the driver. That would imply stopping is permanent parking. "Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 11th edition, shall be the source for

Re: Material Prices !!

There's also a shortage of port capacity/unlading capability (and I'll assume loading at the other end). The Suez parking debacle put everything using that transit days behind schedule and so tying up those containers and throwing shipping schedules off. Logistics, logistics, logistics. For lack

RE: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking

Taylor beat me to it, but here is your verbiage to support Taylor's suggestion. 3.1 General. The definitions contained in this chapter shall apply to the terms used in this standard. Where terms are not defined in this chapter or within another chapter, they shall be defined using their

RE: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking

Appreciate that John. I don't see that information in the original post. Sorry I missed the key information and I wouldn't have been a smart*** if I read it correctly and thoroughly. I write, and am governed by, state law as well as professional engineer rules and ethics and sprinkler

Re: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking

Scott, I can appreciate all of that, but Florida has a state fire code. And we as life safety professionals (contractors or AHJs) don't get to debate and write code for each job. We're talking about a regular old covered drive through. Not a dock meant for loading. It's a porte cochere. And

RE: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking

I can't wait to hear what John and Kevin have to say. It seems that if the sprinkler system understands the vehicle parked under the canopy is only there temporarily then it isn't a problem. However, if the sprinkler system doesn't understand the vehicle is parked temporarily and a fire starts

RE: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking

Might want to rethink the truck full of fire works comment. Save it for the steering wheel when you are driving home. Appendix A.8.15.7.2 and A.8.15.7.5 NFPA 13 2013 Edition (yes Michigan is really moving on getting current) I feel explains it pretty well. Bruce -Original Message- From:

RE: NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking

AHJ's get really fun in a hurry when arguing semantics. Point this individual to a dictionary which will define temporary as "lasting for only a limited period of time; not permanent." If permanent parking is meant to assume parked for the night, it would be a REASONABLE assumption that a

NFPA 13 8.15.7.2 / 8.15.7.5 - Temporary Parking

So I'm going 12 rounds with a local fire marshal who wants to define what temporary parking means, under a drive through canopy. His logic is that he doesn't know how long a vehicle will be parked. His exact concerns are as follows: "Our answer was yes do to deliveries made and not knowing how

Re: Material Prices !!

Just a reminder to the forum that this is toeing the line on Anti-Trust Policies. Please refrain from further comment on specific pricing of products and proposals. Kevin Hall, M.Eng., P.E., ET, CWBSP, PMSFPE *Coordinator, Engineering and Technical Services* *American Fire Sprinkler Association*

Re: Material Prices !!

Who all is demanding an escalation clause in contracts right now? Get Outlook for iOS From: Sprinklerforum on behalf of Skyler Bilbo via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 10:14:37 AM To: 321 ;

Re: Material Prices !!

Domestic steel prices are through the roof. Domestic HRB went from around $600 per ton around October 2020 to around $1,966 per ton recently, in pretty much a straight line up. Make sure you are communicating this to your customers. Wood has pretty much come back to earth from the recent high,

Re: Material Prices !!

I bought almost exactly the same jobs about 5 months ago for less than half of that!! Where is the "Choke Point" on this ? Is it steel pipe, Iron Fittings, availability? On of my best vendors told me this morning that they cant get pipe and fittings imported because Walmart bought up all the

RE: Material Prices !!

It's this way across the board - lead times are increasing as well, for what used to be pretty standard order items. I hear there may still be another 3-5% coming. Spencer Tomlinson, PE Owner, Fire Protection Engineer Ph:  316-202-6412 Fax: 316-202-2346 Cell: 620-955-7293 -Original

Material Prices !!

I just received quotes on some steel fab on 2: different systems we are doing. Try $238.63/head for a center feed, 2 1/2" Cross Main/2" Branch Line Thin wall/Welded/Galvanized system !! $21,000 for 88 headsheads not included!! Anyone else experiencing this insanity?!

RE: Pool maintenance area

I think the standard makes a distinction between large equipment with internal access and mechanical/equipment rooms. Being a mechanical/equipment room, your answer will boil down to the ease of access and the likelihood the owner (or their maintenance personnel) will use the open space for

RE: Flexible hose head connectors on a pipe schedule system

I agree with the listing requirement. What about 9.2.1.3.3.2 (NFPA-13, 2013 ed.)? Ceiling shall meet ASTM C 635 for the ceiling and the ceiling must be installed it accordance with ASTM C 636. Regards, Sean W. Conlin Demand Sprinkler Design Inc. C: 416-317-0028 E:

Re: Pool maintenance area

2019 9.2.2 Spaces Under Ground Floors, Exterior Docks, and Platforms or possibly this one. 9.2.10* Equipment Enclosures. Sprinklers shall not be required to be installed within electrical equipment, mechanical equipment, or air handling units not intended for occupancy. It is not the intent of

RE: Pool maintenance area

Been there done that. Yes it needs corrosion proof sprinklers, pipe, fittings, and hangers. -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Fpdcdesign via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 6:56 PM To: Sprinklerforum Cc: Fpdcdesign Subject: Pool maintenance area

RE: Pool maintenance area

Todd, I work on a job that had this same scenario. We had to put sprinklers down there because it was accessible for maintenance. It was like a concrete vault, and we had to core drill a hole for a feed. TYSON SUTHERLAND, CET NICET Level III Design Technician Ohio ASSD #8495 2900 Newpark