We have a customer with 2 preaction systems coming off a wet system. The
main drain is not piped outside, but to a slop sink near the riser for each
preaction system. There is no way that this will handle the flow from the
main drain. I seem to remember reading or hearing that you could use
. Box 882136
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We have
When you say water delivery time I assume you mean per #13 old school (esp
w/ DUH, excuse me, DOH).
Possible to install the electronic accelerator, drop trip time to 4 seconds,
and get the time? If not, water delivery calcs and you don't have a time to
meet if the results meet the criteria.
Including a credit check? It's gonna be a long couple of years.
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Bio-diesel itself is
Jabber-
The server at AFSA strips our emails of any file attachments.
If you have a website data page you're trying to reference, you can copy the
www.blah.blah.com/wheeled_extinguisher/150 address into the text of your
message and we can see what you're referencing.
glc
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happens, it's WHEN
this stuff happens. Be Prepared!
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
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George:
Thank you for the link and the material Extremely informational.
Loren Johnson - CFPS, CET
Fire Protection Consultant
Peoria, IL
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I can hear Joe's eyes rolling from here.
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This section of the building was
I don't care who ya are, that's funny.
Salaesman must have sharpened his pencil, recalc with crayon and see if that
helps flow at the far end of the curve.
glc
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- although I am
certainly not a fire modeler- but I'd think this would be more a sprinkler
spray distribution/obstruction question, as evidenced by the treatment of
the light vrs ordinary hazard spacing in #13.
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
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It's not a luxury, IMHO. You can stay at a lesser hotel nearby, and eat
lunch at Mickeys if you need to. But the education and networking are
priceless. Generally they're at resorts and a lot of attendees bring their
family and its their vacation. Granted, my spouse went to the foam seminar
Dave
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of George Church
Sent: Wed 10/22/2008 3:51 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Convention -was sizing expansion tanks
It's not a luxury, IMHO. You can stay at a lesser hotel nearby, and eat
lunch at Mickeys if you need
Ya, we were going to have indoor plumbing but donchano they clog up, might
freeze and flood the place, so we stuck with the 5 gallon bucket just inside
the door to the garage.
Guess the fire fighter doesn't know he'll end up with unsheathed TJI
construction and no residential sprinklers in his
From Denise at hydro flow:
Here are the pitot formula and coefficients for all sizes of the Hose
Monsters and Nozzle Inserts.
Q = 29.83 * √P * D2 * Coefficient
Where Q = flow rate in GPM, P = pitot pressure, D = nozzle diameter
Product Coefficient
Nozzle Insert 1 1/8”0.99
It was only scary for the Michigan fans, who somehow lost their Michigan
shirts between the game and the Saturday night party :)
Besides, where else can you get chocolate martinis at 3 or 4 AM? The road
show version of the Flamingo Martini Lounge :)
Glc
Harsh realities of a Monday morning :(
to perform
to spec.
Thanks again for sharing- it is appreciated.
George Church
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How far are you to Wall Drug?
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Todd, you're right about the small space. The distance along
Dan-
You could flow more than 12 at the roof in order to flow the required
minimum MRA. You could be adding 2 more below obstructions. You could flow
more than those 15 if the insurance or other AHJ directs you to.
Only thing more serious than the % impact you mention would be NOT having it
when
I have a 2500 at 65 diesel if you really want to accent the problem. In
service one year, run weekly.
glc
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I am working on a hospital with a 250 gpm pump that is trying to feed
3
So we still got there first :)
That's why smoking and pot don't mix.
People could die.
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Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Fire
It does if you include the 8.pdf off the bottom line
Here it is for the non-techies, reprinted without permission:
Glc
October 27,2008
Adolph Zubia, President
International Code Council
500 New Jersey Avenue, NW, 6th Floor
Washington, DC 20001-2070
Dear President Zubia:
On behalf of the
I know Mark Richter from the Penn BOC, plus he's 3rd party AHJ on a good bit
of our work. My understanding was that the PennBOC group was going to turn
down any outside funding to avoid conflict of interest; there was sufficient
doubt that the rules covering conflict of interest forbade it, they
Bet those responsible for overlooking the obvious lack of PPE and training
for those engineers wish they were under the US system of justice. They
should feed them to the widows and survivors.
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Ummm, maybe the two bidders had breakfast together on bid morning?
Don't throw your elbow out patting yourself on the back.
Coincidence or a comp price is far more likely to produce bids within .001%
of each other than quality of the bid documents.
Seriously, if you'd given em a stocklist, a
Phoenix, AZ
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of roles Ummm, maybe the two bidders had breakfast together on bid
Really bad taste?
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:22 AM
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Subject: Re: Viking concealed sprinkler
It needs to be replaced?
At 08:38 PM
. Reid, P.E.
Project Engineer
RLH Fire Protection
468 N. Camden Dr. #290L
Beverly Hills, CA 90210
Office: (310) 601-3013
Cell: (213) 798-0251
Fax: (866) 871-2237
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Fire Protection
468 N. Camden Dr. #290L
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Office: (310) 601-3013
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I thought they still might with a much less restrictive criteria, like 20
fps in gridded BLs bigger than 2.
Don't know if its in writing, if it is, its in their Interpretive Guide to
#13.
glc
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That Tyco video, played before state legislators across the country, could
lube the way for the IRC SFD requirement nationwide.
glc
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Didn't you say the AHJ rubber stamps everything Approved?
I don't want to know, for similar example, how many hotels are protected by
13R when area increases for AS were taken which requires #13 systems - due
to ignorance.
glc
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This isn't an opinion of the NFPA #22 Committee, just that of the writer.
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:28 AM
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There sure are a lot of undersized pressure tanks feeding nursing homes we
did in the late 70's, early 80's if one 400 sf room requires a 1-hour
supply at the higher density.
Back then, especially in the 70's, we scheduled systems and sized the tank
for the spkr supply, going to the min since
Craig-
I'd disagree that a specialty risk, especially when we don the nuke
mentality hat, is as readily transportable to other plain jane risks as you
state. Nuke plants revert to a higher standard of care than the reasonable
protection levels in other standards. Redundancy is a precaution that
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Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:32 AM
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Subject: RE: Mech/Electrical room
classification(waExistingPipeScheduledSystem
Sure it wouldn't be easier to install a tank?
If not, as a liner a fabritank is likely worth investigating.
Although perhaps there's a reason I've only done one fabritank in 34 years-
If they were the answer, we'd see more of them?
glc
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I'd slap a tee with gauge and another test valve on #1 without losing any
sleep. If you want to dot your eyes, I'd send a sketch to the local water
guys and ask if they see a problem with it- after all, they're the ones
whose system is being protected. And most water guys are pretty logical,
We weren't as anal-compulsive about liability issues in the good old days.
And in the really good days, when no one would want to steal our work, this
stuff was threaded. Flanged-thread 90's, all the stuff you couldn't
expedite, let alone find, these days.
I believe you'll find standard couplings
.
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Subject: RE: A new winner?
Reminds me of the excessive loss during a flow test; could see the elevated
tank several
Are you calling your insurance company before, or after, your attorney?
(trick question- the insurance company hires the lawyer, so you could be
placed in the position of Chris the building owner suing Chris the sprinkler
installer in your own building, if your protected building burnt down. If
http://www.sparkdetection.com/solutions_flamex.htm
glc
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Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:42 PM
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A friend asked me this.
Not that I recall seeing it written in a text, but many contracts cite
large scale over small scale dwgs, specs over plans.
Guess the age-old most stringent applies whether it is something needed or
not.
glc
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Forest-
Good advice-
It's far better to call your lawyer BEFORE instead of after. Call it
preventative maintenance, but its far easier to add some words then
extricate yourself from a mess. Especially if you need a lawyer for the
extrication.
glc
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Craig-
Thom and Jim are right, my advice was general and advisory in nature.
Both legal positions and labor relations are two areas where PM is far
better than hiring lawyers to lock the gate after the horse is pregnant.
While I love returning to the south, like Savannah and Charleston, its
It had been out of service quite some time and wasn't in the best shape.
With all the unknowns facing us in repairing the syeam pump, it was more
prudent to switch to electric.
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Did you take any pictures ?
John
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It not blowing itself (and us) up was our primary focus. Didn't leave a lot
of room in our minds for doing the watch this! sort of thing of running
out from behind the stone wall and taking a picture as it blows up (In the
Midwest during snowmobile season, and South pretty much anytime, I
From the other guys email update- I think we're united front on this one:
ICC Appeals Board Denies Homebuilders' Claim
Thursday, December 11, 2008, Patterson, New York - Earlier today the
International Code Council Appeals Board met in Chicago to determine if
there were any improprieties or
Speaking of systems in/around places you'd think they'd do a better job
with, The Washington Engineering Center in Alexandria, home of the NSPE and
NICET, has a partial system and its almost comical to imagine what they were
trying to effect with it. Guess they need a visit from the SFPE.
I sent
Not to mention it can be influenced by the prevailing local AHJ
opinion/adopted ordinance.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:21 PM
To:
And didn't result in election of stupid versus cheap?
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:59 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject:
I understood you can run into your head(s) but not back out to others.
Kind of an ENTER HERE followed by NO EXIT.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris
Sent: Tuesday, December 16,
Fax - 864.599.8439
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
http://www.ch2m.com
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:22 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject
Well, you've got someone spitting their coffee out in Easton, PA this AM.
Vortex is a mist system by Victaulic, not Viking. Nitrogen bottles and a
pint of water. Contact is:
Frank T. Freidl
Victaulic
Vortex Contract Administrator
Office: 610-559-3462
Fax: 1-877-883-9276
ffre...@victaulic.com
glc
Clarke is the only one available to the best of my knowledge, and I've been
to a few trade shows and installed a dozen of these. They are, BTW, the
cat's meow if you need to drive a lot of water down a big pipe in a hurry
(think freezer Q). What designer doesn't want a flat curve at 170 PSI at
I sent this suggestion to a sprinkler association's communication chief
today, as a matter of fact.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 5:22 AM
Bottling plant down the street opened up for the first shift of the day,
drawing down the static since its really the residual of the background
noise ?
30 minutes of high activity drew the narrow standpipe down 28'?
Booster station in the area's pump had kicked off?
glc
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Grunau Flo-Cator flow switch
Model FC-4
4 wet riser in a KMArt in N Dakota
Doesn't appear to have a vane or conventional retard
Has an electronic board- not conventional stem coming off a vane.
Anyone familiar with it pls call Dave Sornsin
701-371-0643 cel
Trying to troubleshoot a frozen
Got the help. Thanks! Merry christmas!
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 10:22 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: real time HELP
Anticipated fire load would be key- 30' tall wood structures might exceed
the parameters for OH 2. What kind of set material do they plan, height,
etc.
Other item would be the amount of shielding from roof spray, smells like EH
as in modular home mfg if they're building sets that would have
Well, at least it was paper that burned, and not the people mentioned in the
article about the only things in there that can burn are people and
paper.
It would be prudent for all of us to contact our congressmen in DC with a
note pushing for installation of fire sprinklers in our schools as
It's all they had left on the truck?
More likely at NIH, the last 20' of the room is wall to wall duct above the
ceiling.
glc
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craig.pr...@ch2m.com
Sent:
I'm not a PE nor do I play one on TV. But I've seen James' fire videos, so
I'm ahead of most plumbing designers:)
Caveats aside, I think activation depends on heat banking down from the
ceiling, and in order to get a head to throw 24' it has to go off- and
that's a long way for heat to go without
We'd need several hundred qualified FPEs (or equal) to fall out of the sky
in order to do what you say, as desirable a concept as you present. That
and a couple thousand more so we contractors can put them on staff so we can
evaluate water supplies and perform hydraulic calculations in accordance
I brought the same issue you up (story increase ok, no area increase except
with 13) in a design-build seminar at AFSA a couple years ago, mostly
because one of my competitors was in the room and I wanted him to know this
so at least maybe two of us would be high bidders.
Turned around to a room
I love boilerplate specs cause I love ignoring the plumbing designer's spec.
When they spec CSC GB heads, I smile. Cause what PE is going to bust my nuts
over ignoring the rest of his bs when we'd point out that the heads he
spec'd a) aren't available b) cause they're VRP'd and c) Tyco bought CSC
NFPA #13R cites the criteria you drag in from #13 for outside the dwelling
units. I don't believe combined hose is in it, density and MRA size is.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
Why would you include hose streams in #13R?
Do you include 750 GPM hose on ESFR?
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:07 AM
To:
Be serious.
I love calling an engineer and asking if they know the water supply. When
they say No, I ask where the fire pump goes and if its elec or diesel.
When they ask why a pump is needed, I ask how do you know if we need a tank
or pump or not if you don't know the water supply?
Reality is
Thom's not a PE. He's ALL contractor.
I'm just trying to carefully word that he doesn't play one on tv, but on the
weekends- nah, I can't continue this. She'll kick my butt in Oct if it waits
that long.
David Sornsin
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Guess blow-out panels, etc. are obvious but what the heck, I'll mention
them. Then there's the old 50 millisecond vrs 100 millisecond we used to
have with the Grinnell guys, since ours was faster; that was in areas where
they disassembled hand grenades. We won the speed contest in SH; they bought
-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:13 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Packaging of explosives
Guess blow-out panels, etc. are obvious but what the heck, I'll mention
them. Then there's the old 50 millisecond vrs 100
I'll echo the OH1 classification.
Only time I recall anything else was when high-pressure hydraulic fluid
lines were present, and that was at a pharmaceutical plant; the FM rep
pointed out that the fluid acted as a blowtorch if the line ruptured and got
ignited. That's one in 30+ years I can
Considering the range of what we've all encountered as Mechanical Rooms,
from large to small, from clean and neat to high-piled rat-hole, its not
surprising that appropriate hazard analysis probably DOES range from LH to
EH. The joys of trying to write a code as all-encompassing as #13, I don't
Yes, but it makes it so special when he speaks.
Probably troubleshooting Lucas electrics
Off/Flicker/Short is how my headlight switch is labeled.
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun
A year and a week ago a Scranton, PA FF was killed fighting a house fire, in
aerial bucket, touched power lines that were supposed to have been cut in
that block- but weren't.
glc
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Nice to see someone else use appurtenances. I thought use of that wsa
limited to ASCOA alum.
W
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
st...@protectiondesign.com
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:53 PM
You're right, the replacement of the sprinkler to match the new escutcheon
would be the answer.
Or raise the ceiling so the escutcheon inner face is flush with the ceiling
and is no longer recessed since then the caveat that the escutcheon be
listed goes away since the head isn't recessed any
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Charles
Thurston
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:52 PM
To: George Church
Subject: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing them
Hello George,
Along the same thought, We have a lot of places here
Allied and most other steel pipe mfrs here in the US are coating their pipe
with an anti-MIC coating.
I'm sure details are available at their website, I think Allied was first.
Subsequently, Blazemaster and others became aware that this anti-MIC coating
is detrimental to CPVC. I understand the
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:07 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing them
Escutcheons
SPRINKLERS SAVE LIVES
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:07 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Old Escutcheons and replacing
Jimmy-
We're not on 07 yet so I'm not intimate with it yet. But you're asking a
conceptual question that I think I can answer.
If you have 5 heads each side of a tree, and a length demanding 7 heads
flowing, you flow the 5 on one side, and 2 more on the other side. This will
flow all the water
But hpw could you resist?
LOL
Perhaps FPC, Spkr Age, Or SQ should collect war stories and anecdotes, even
if its just compliling them and making them available on a website for
download; perhaps a blog?
glc
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Or the GC could have gotten a COR to add to the building to make it large
enough to satisfy the 3,000 SF MRA?
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009
Well, I guess the other way to convince him would be to tell him you'll pay
him to do it the way YOU think is right, and if he elects to calc it another
way for free, hey- it's a free country. And he needs to understand the
pecking order- you've got the checkbook.
glc
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, but the bigger piece of market is the
stimulus package. Won't have to wait till 2011 to start eating. And it may
be what we need to survive till 2011.
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
I'd rather have em concentrate on my competitor's 13d tank and pump feeding
a #13 system, heck with the escutcheons.
glc
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cherokeefire...@aol.com
Sent:
You can't just remove them - be serious.
If pressure is over the factory setting, then a REPLACEMENT of the 300#
adjustable model is available and you crank it down to 200 PSI and end the
drip.
glc
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: pressure relief valve
Good morning George. The tag on the pressure relief valve says 175 PSI, I
only saw one part number on the Tyco site. The pressure valve did not look
adjustable.
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
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From: George Church
Obviously having two hydrants does not prohibit running a flow test
accurately. What you did makes perfect sense and should give accurate flow
and pressure data.
Ask the contractor what he would do if he had a private tank, fire pump, a
single hydrant and the sprinklered building as an
Maybe I have Friday-it is, but what possible difference could it be to
reading pressure at a point whether your gauge is attached to a hydrant,
city side of a BFP as Todd did, or a hose bib on a house with another faucet
cracked open to prevent their BFP from being closed? Its accurate
measurement
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:47 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: water test location
Maybe I have Friday-it is, but what possible difference could it be to
reading pressure at a point whether your
I'd think a tank would be a more redundant supply than a 2nd lateral, albeit
far more $ then the 2nd lateral. Get what you pay for, but a tank w/out UG
to pump would eliminate your soil problem IF the AS are then fed from
interior piping. Might be justified if $ value is high, or egress scary.
Uh, Steve, we'll post a DaveWatch at the door to the suite next year.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 4:28 PM
To:
For those of us in the industry, having a residential system hopefully
avoids the ultimate irony- dying in a fire after a career installing
sprinklers for others.
Maybe I should go do that postponed inspection, it'd be way too tragic to
die in a fire in a sprinklered house. Tragic legacy.
Funny part is if it were a school, they'd fight tooth and nail not to
sprinkler it at all.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:37 PM
To:
Compatibility issues? Insulation and CPVC.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Paul S
Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:25 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Threat to
This is probably the best selling point we have, plus firefighter safety.
Odd, when we're really trying to save the homeowner and family.
We should soon contact those local and state attorneys and see how they
feel- if they won't listen to our lobbyists, they SHOULD listen to their
counsel.
Saw where Marioff had done testing of light hazard office environ with mist,
some dry systems, too- and a seminar on the stave churches in Norway while
at IFSA in Copenhagen.
The testing for office protection echoed a sprinkler test protocol. Cruise
ship with what looked like sprinklers had HP
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