RE: Flow Test-segue

2011-04-07 Thread George Church
Defense prominently displaying the AFSA logo on your website. Seriously, hope to see you in Oct. Those that go keep coming back. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From

RE: Flow Test

2011-04-06 Thread George Church
more pressure drop if we put your gauge BELOW the clapper? We all have to start somewheremight have been more fun to see if he noticed the flat curve and troubleshot it himself, but didn't have the time. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE

RE: Ceiling fans w/ ESFR sprinklers

2011-04-06 Thread George Church
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PA Spkr Bill :(

2011-04-06 Thread George Church
A. Trautman; fh...@lowermerion.org; Wirth Frank; Gale Sherrid; Gene Bidoli; George Barkanic; gcrowd...@chesco.org; George Church; Glenn Thomas; Greg Jakubowski; James Mullane, Jr.; Jay Delaney; Poland, Jerry; John Bast; John Senft; Kerbet Kerber; Kevin Lubinsky; Larry Christy; Mike Whitzel; Randy

RE: PA Spkr Bill :(

2011-04-06 Thread George Church
to the PBA. It's a great country- if you have money. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Check valve location on a long FDC run

2011-04-05 Thread George Church
You met Roland? George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bob

RE: Pipe Dope

2011-04-01 Thread George Church
a check of the hydraulic impact, so the calc'd system doesn't work but we'll lower the chance of con tamination from .0001 to .01. Good thing there's all kinds of fat and cushions built into the standard, eh? George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877

RE: Cloud Calculations

2011-03-29 Thread George Church
. Surveys with a sample group of one aren't accurate, but its all I got in this scenario. Couldn't have been better result. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From

RE: Antifreeze TIA Applicability?

2011-03-28 Thread George Church
. (I'm on my own time when I play one on TV- heck, I'm not even a Level IV). JD, hope you didn't run off the road. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From

RE: antifreeze solutions

2011-03-18 Thread George Church
oversimplification, I realize, but when CSC owned the problem, it wasn't o-rigs, it was contractors using cutting oil on cpvc systems causing the problem. Don't take all this too seriously. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g

RE: Tank for 13R system

2011-03-18 Thread George Church
reliable water supply, found acceptable to the AHJ. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

RE: antifreeze solutions

2011-03-17 Thread George Church
Could NFPA have done anything but respond quickly and thoroughly to sprinkler systems causing explosions and deaths? I'm just thankful the NAHB didn't pick it up and run with it in our current battle for the IRC mandate in PA. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg

RE: antifreeze solutions

2011-03-17 Thread George Church
have nuke plants creating waste that in a generation or more, we have yet to address longterm as a nation. How did you expect NFPA to develop an alternative solution- they aren't DuPont. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335

RE: antifreeze solutions

2011-03-17 Thread George Church
meltdowns. His neighbors aren't complaining. We Americans, living life about as good as it gets on Earth, could take a lesson from them but I'm not holding my breath. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com

RE: FM Guildelines / ESFR

2011-03-15 Thread George Church
When the AHJ APPROVES it. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: FM Guildelines / ESFR

2011-03-15 Thread George Church
, this is where the AE allowed flushing 14 UG with one 1.5 hose. Yes, pump test had some background noise and projectiles in the stream. I'd be FOR contractor licensing if it was more than the locals or state cashing a check. Would you test for stupidity? George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407

RE: FM Guildelines / ESFR

2011-03-15 Thread George Church
, it has to be demonstrated. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:11 AM, George Church g...@rowesprinkler.com wrote: You mean you can't do what I saw a competitor do- drop 1 down under AHU's to feed an EC25 in a Lowes? Yes, they were replaced despite his claim that Chet's firm said it was ok. The competitor

RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing

2011-03-14 Thread George Church
Hard to believe sarcasm awards are scarce up in your display cabinet.. Don't quit your day job, I guess. glc -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 12:12 AM

RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing

2011-03-14 Thread George Church
Traditionally, March is Big Ass Fans month. glc -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of craig.pr...@ch2m.com Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:27 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE:

RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing

2011-03-14 Thread George Church
craig.pr...@ch2m.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:32 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Sprinkler under first accessible landing

RE: $7b/yr rebuild market

2011-03-11 Thread George Church
@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: $7b/yr rebuild market If you wrote this editorial I'll buy you a drink next time If someone else buy him a drink and send me the bill. On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:17 AM, George Church g...@rowesprinkler.com wrote: Intelligencer Editorial, Doylestown, Pa 3-9-11

RE: top five list

2011-03-10 Thread George Church
I'd suggest building the list here on the Forum interactively. Synergy :) George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

$7b/yr rebuild market

2011-03-10 Thread George Church
Intelligencer Editorial, Doylestown, Pa 3-9-11 MONEY SPOKE LOUDER than safety this week in Harrisburg, where House lawmakers voted 154-39 to repeal a law requiring sprinkler systems in all new residential construction. The bill now moves to the Senate. The battle lines on this issue are clearly

RE: Manual vs Auto SP

2011-03-07 Thread George Church
by graphing both and adding the flows at same pressures. Safe to assume the large Fed entity has an FPE as EOR? Cause the FDC isn't exactly an automatic water supply, so the ice is thin, even if its up by the FroBros. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324

RE: Decommissioning a system

2011-03-07 Thread George Church
I B u r i e d P a u l ? George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: Interstitial Space

2011-03-07 Thread George Church
carrier to ask for sprinkler protection beyond that required by minimum consensus standards. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Plastic Escutcheons

2011-03-04 Thread George Church
Well, there's that loophole in IBC about not sealing the penetration where a sprinkler sticks out- And if the head isn't concealed or recessed- and a recessed head installed flush is no longer recessed- then the escutcheon need not be listed with the head. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems

RE: As = L x S

2011-03-03 Thread George Church
about taking the chance that their calc will indicate they need to go back into t a recently completed project and make changes! Now the building is occupied, now the drywall ceiling is up and tested- I can tell you the GC isn't looking to enforce since it'll cause hardship for all. George

RE: As = L x S

2011-03-03 Thread George Church
Pain in ... Similar to badge heavy in this usage. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Pre-Action

2011-03-03 Thread George Church
, domestic galv sch 10. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ed

RE: As = L x S

2011-03-03 Thread George Church
adopters, we'd all be suing them- and I still see a lot of people using 2 90's and running to the power machine, threading branchlines, etc. Basic down and dirty sprinkler work will be the mainstay for quite some time- certainly till I get a chance to break 100 on the front 9. George Church Rowe

Cx

2011-03-03 Thread George Church
with others in the business when we venture across the county line :) I'm not hearing anything approaching Cx being mainstream. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From

HB377 to repeal moves to PA House floor

2011-02-28 Thread George Church
HB377 to repeal PA's sprinkler mandate just moved from LI Committee to the House for consideration. A motion made by Rep Keller to table the bill failed 16-8. An amendment to require homeowners to be given information regarding installing sprinklers prior to building a home was adopted

RE: Non-differential dry pipe valve

2011-02-28 Thread George Church
All components required to be listed for dry-pipe use (like resi sprinklers) Listed with the Eco? George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: ESFR

2011-02-24 Thread George Church
I'd check with your preferred ESFR mfr tech guys about applicability in LH. Heck, QR operation, 1.2 denisty, spray pattern dispersed from warehouse-height roof- what's not to like? Might stand up to the megazillion btu fire my desk could turn into. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO

RE: System Area Size

2011-02-23 Thread George Church
It'd be like reaching forward to 1996 and using the MRA reduction without the QR heads. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: System Area Size

2011-02-23 Thread George Church
Or more recently, using the 2009 IRC without the sprinklers. For those that hadn't heard, the PA House LI Committee considers a vote on HB377 to repeal the sprinkler requirement on Monday, 2/28. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570

horror stories

2011-02-23 Thread George Church
I've read where Forumites in the past have shared their stories of how builders prevented them from installing sprinklers in their own new homes. I have an urgent need for such stories because an idea here in PA to replace mandated sprinklers is to have builders offer them to buyers- and from

RE: Hose allowance

2011-02-22 Thread George Church
Right, so it may be at the city connection if there are no hydrants or interior hose. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Dry Sidewalls at back patio

2011-02-21 Thread George Church
What Jamie said. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf

RE: Friday Brainfreeze - 13R Outside the dwelling Units Bathrooms

2011-02-14 Thread George Church
13R for the dwelling units. I know I've never seen anything in 13 allowing reduced density of .05 in dwelling units, and for the life of me, I wonder what the owner would say if he knew the guy had sprinklers in ALL the closets. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA

RE: Friday Brainfreeze - 13R Outside the dwelling Units Bathrooms

2011-02-14 Thread George Church
Do not. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton

RE: Plumbing

2011-02-14 Thread George Church
We're running some CPVC domestic piping in some apartments buildings for the plumber we're subbed to, what the heck- 2 way street. Cures coordination. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com

RE: misaligned flanges

2011-02-12 Thread George Church
Its amazing the dumbest stuff that comes back to ya. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

RE: misaligned flanges

2011-02-11 Thread George Church
What is an Addsco Annular Wedge (for 50) George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

RE: misaligned flanges

2011-02-11 Thread George Church
Or maybe throw in a metal ring from a VRC750 for the rubbers to seat against when doubled? George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Friday Brainfreeze - 13R Outside the dwelling Units Bathrooms

2011-02-11 Thread George Church
Off the lobby in hotels there's a set of bathrooms. Sometimes needed for a bar; sometimes cause folks can't make it to the 4th floor. glc -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman

RE: Fuel Tank Leak Sensor

2011-02-10 Thread George Church
Not that I've seen or installed. Double walled is our SOP. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum

Rally in Hbg, PA

2011-02-09 Thread George Church
From Pennsylvania Fire Emergency Services Institute List today: On Feb. 8, PFESI and firefighters from across Pennsylvania rallied in the Capitol to support keeping sprinklers in the code for single-family detached homes. Late last week we were concerned that HB 377 would pass this week. HB

30 minute roof deck with A.S.?

2011-02-09 Thread George Church
needs to be sharing the area of the roof deck with a wet system protecting the warehouse space below. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com ___ Sprinklerforum

RE: 30 minute roof deck with A.S.?

2011-02-09 Thread George Church
Steel pipe, steel deck, steel bar joists- conventional steel construction of a warehouse yet to be built. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: 30 minute roof deck with A.S.?

2011-02-09 Thread George Church
How about CC1's located halfway between the ESFRs with a short armover and mounted upside down to hit the roof deck with a flat spray pattern? George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original

RE: FW: 2010 NFPA 13 8.6.5.2.1.5

2011-02-09 Thread George Church
Maybe this could set a precedent for a UL Listed heat baffle for sprinklers too far down from the roof deck? Test with and without the bulb. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original

RE: a glaring inequality in 13?

2011-02-08 Thread George Church
out. I'm going over and apply the 2007 edition of NFPA 13 and 13R to what's on my plate for the afternoon. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Smoke-heat vents and draft stops

2011-02-08 Thread George Church
, and their expert was tied up in traffic. So I testified, at my customer's request, for their competitor since we needed them to win their variance. Then stood up for my customer and said what I just said and that was enough. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA

RE: Smoke-heat vents and draft stops

2011-02-08 Thread George Church
was a sharp cookie who was likely FAR more competent than me to understand the egress distance. I pretty much harped on ESFR effectiveness, and how the test videos show 40 seconds of big flame going up, POP, and 40 seconds till the fire is beat down to the crib. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems

more on PA residential sprinklers

2011-02-07 Thread George Church
. But according to data supplied by George Church, president of Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. in Middleburg, Pa., the average cost of sprinklers is $1.61 per square foot. Church said his company has installed about $2.5 million in sprinklers in the Gettysburg area over the past five years, including

RE: a glaring inequality in 13?

2011-02-07 Thread George Church
I was just wondering how 1 minute is 30% longer than no delay. George Church Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: Houses Burn Faster

2011-02-02 Thread George Church
Front page article in our local news right after 1/1/2011 was SPRINKLER LAW CREATES JOBS with me quoted as ready to add 20~30 new hires. And in PA, the need to talk to newspapers is secondary to reaching our legislators. If any of you want to help, email the PA senators and representatives in

Welding galvanized

2011-02-02 Thread George Church
. Thanks! George Church Rowe Sprinkler ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org To Unsubscribe

RE: Butterfly vs. Gate valves: corrosion

2011-02-01 Thread George Church
Ironically, Allied had trade names of Armadillo and GatorShield at some point for piping products. However, at this point IDOD pipe is not available in the USA; they are working on getting making it available here, date not set. We'd used it- and as anyone who has seen it- it is a completely

RE: Butterfly vs. Gate valves: corrosion

2011-02-01 Thread George Church
in the US currently? I used it on a project 6 yrs ago with great success. Ryan Hinson Burns McDonnell Direct: 952-656-6003 Ext 3662 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church Sent

brainwashed Riverside Boro Council urges repeal of sprinkler law

2011-02-01 Thread George Church
Wow- Imagine the surprised look on the Mayor’s face when he realizes he’s taking a public position opposing a requirement that doesn’t exist! Generators! Where do you suppose he ran across this requirement? I didn’t see it in the 20 pages of 13D requirements. Think someone was misleading him?

RE: GEM Institutional Sprinkler Cut Sheet

2011-01-31 Thread George Church
Wonder if that's what's over Dennis' head now? -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 11:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: GEM

RE: Hangers and pressure surges

2011-01-25 Thread George Church
-with-red-max-indicator-series-276h300.aspx?affiliateid=10051ut m_source=pricegrabberutm_medium=Feedutm_campaign=Productutm_term=PG25300- MIP -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church Sent

RE: Hangers and pressure surges

2011-01-24 Thread George Church
I'll ask the rhetorical question, wince, and hope for no answer: How would one determine the surge pressure since it would have variables like velocity of water upstream causing the spike, and I'd assume you'd determine that empirically. Ok, we've got to run a flow test and a water hammer test?

RE: Rolling medical file storage

2011-01-22 Thread George Church
A competitor claimed a finishing nail was an acceptable hanger because the system had been inspected and accepted by the local BCO- who I hope didn't walk the attic with his eyes closed and missed it. So, its ok until time eternal (or a major renovation) if an inspector missed an obvious code

RE: Air Releases in 2013

2011-01-18 Thread George Church
hopefully they'll throw some at Lobbyists in Harrisburg. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:46 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org

Anyone got an F retard?

2011-01-18 Thread George Church
No, I don't mean Thom. I'm trying to find a Central Model F Retard chamber, mid-80's, to replace one. Anyone have one sitting around?? Used and working ok. ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org

RE: Code reference for replacing remote end inspectors test withalisted Test N' Drain Valve....

2011-01-17 Thread George Church
So, we can't just stick a Potter auto air release at the top, or a couple 1/2 ball valves to get air out? My fitters don't know a lot about molecules, but they can open a valve until the air stops and water starts. Benefits: Material on the shelf or in the truck. Little additional cost. Little

RE: Air Releases in 2013

2011-01-17 Thread George Church
This is pretty funny, considering Cecil was just past diapers when Thom started with wenches. Wrenches were just a few years after...(apologies to Noreeen) DATA and statistics is what we need and have embarrassingly little of. We can't tell how many sprinkler contractors are in the business

RE: 2010 NFPA 13R 9.3

2011-01-14 Thread George Church
spped would be good- in a fire pump-$$$^^ Host of issuesin 13 ARGH. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Friday

RE: Code reference for replacing remote end inspectors test withalisted Test N' Drain Valve....

2011-01-14 Thread George Church
with the auto air bleed, or throw in a ball va with hose. Mike, hopefully this will cut off some of the calls, and possibly sell a few nifty solutions. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: ESFR hose allowance

2011-01-13 Thread George Church
Could take it off the supply before the pump, but need it somewhere- the FD needs to have 250 reserved for combined hose. Note that if the boosted supply feeds UG and hydrants, you're flowing the 250 hose thru the pump- doesn't have to be FHVs. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g

RE: 2010 NFPA 13R 9.3

2011-01-13 Thread George Church
. Betcha that wasn't the intent of the committee. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of David Blackwell Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011

RE: Fire Pump Monitoring

2011-01-12 Thread George Church
lead a horse to water but you can't make em smart. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Gillett Sent: Wednesday, January 12

RE: Hydraulic Calcs

2011-01-12 Thread George Church
So you run new UG into a building that was legally pipe schedule because the calc (that wasn't required under the valid but old design criteria) doesn't work? It doesn't have to, its designed to the applicable code at installation. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837

RE: Hydraulic Calcs

2011-01-12 Thread George Church
You're writing up design issues under 25? George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matthew J. Willis Sent: Wednesday, January 12

RE: Hydraulic Calcs

2011-01-12 Thread George Church
padlocking his door, then I doubt he'll be doing anything but replacing the 3. And likely it will be someone other than you doing the work. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: Hydraulic Calcs

2011-01-12 Thread George Church
or FDT calc. The ability to give a hard time to a friend from Forum and Convention a day after he saves you $1,000-PRICELESS. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

WPSU spkr debate

2011-01-11 Thread George Church
Hey George, Go to www.wpsu.com/radio and click on the sprinkler story. It can be downloaded for a podcast or streamed. It runs about 7 minutes, as they cut some of the heated debate. Tim George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647

RE: Main Flow Switch

2011-01-10 Thread George Church
that could be messed with; b) redundant flow switch for any flow, so if a WFS didn't, this one would at least indicate flow and report an alarm. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: Storage In a High Ceiling Building

2011-01-10 Thread George Church
to a larger facility, they'd be limiting themselves to a guy selling angle iron, and the resale value of the building might be higher with ESFR. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: sprinklers in duct

2011-01-10 Thread George Church
ALL is the definitive number for your criteria. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011

a little history

2010-12-31 Thread George Church
When we come into work on Monday AM, we will be the first in the sprinkler industry to come to work in a state with a state-wide mandate for residential sprinklers in single family homes. I know when history is being made, and we're making it. I'm hoping we can make this smooth and successful

RE: a little history

2010-12-31 Thread George Church
Within our span of control, yes- and we've certainly reached out to the plumbers during our seminars to expose them to the necessary steps and where to find support/training. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

fair story on sprinklers

2010-12-28 Thread George Church
in all homes constructed after Jan. 1, a Snyder County sprinkler company is looking to double or triple its workforce to meet expected future demands. I call it economic stimulus that actually reaches into Snyder County, said George Church, president of Rowe Sprinkler Systems, of Middleburg, which

RE: fair story on sprinklers

2010-12-28 Thread George Church
Recognize a few favorite sayings? George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:57 AM

RE: USACE Velocity

2010-12-28 Thread George Church
discussions. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of rahe.lof...@gsa.gov Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 4:11 PM To: sprinklerforum

RE: USACE Velocity

2010-12-28 Thread George Church
in conservatism, it looks wrong- but it delivers the conservative design the GSA is looking for- just in an odd, but established method, and the RESULT desired is achieved. Inertia. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum

RE: USACE Velocity

2010-12-28 Thread George Church
. No, I don't want to know what my share of the building and maintenance of all that is! George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron

RE: USACE Velocity

2010-12-28 Thread George Church
I suppose that's a trade-off between providing a thicker wall (rolled) vrs providing a smooth bottom of pipe without Dave's mini-dams., and the cut grooved method won. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Fire Retardant Coating

2010-12-22 Thread George Church
recent edition, he naturally asked why, we told him, he accepted it, no big deal. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of A.P.Silva

RE: Concealed plastic pipe

2010-12-16 Thread George Church
/13D and you'll have a lot more expense in your job than is needed. You'd give up 20x20 spacing, for instance. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

RE: 0.58 over 2000

2010-12-16 Thread George Church
I'd keep the work YOU do to a minimum and simply respond with an email asking how .58x20001160 and let them find it. It's THEIR screwup, you're paid to review, not do the design. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum

RE: FPE

2010-12-15 Thread George Church
and U MD FPE websites for course requirements. Assuming you're in a p match with a specific individual, might check out his/her alma mater's site. PA doesn't have a specific FPE registration, FWIW. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message

RE: Bus Depot

2010-12-11 Thread George Church
The applicable standard would be NFPA 13. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of isam hboubate Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 7

jockey pump

2010-12-10 Thread George Church
http://www.harveyandassociates.com/site/images/attachments/006_2009%20Jockey%20Pumps%20-%20August%201%20%20Revision.pdf George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org

RE: main flow switch

2010-12-10 Thread George Church
and the redundancy confidence increase gained with backup master flow switch. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of David de Vries Sent

RE: NICET III

2010-12-09 Thread George Church
Harold was not only brilliant for understanding sprinkler hydraulics, but for being able to convey the message. AND give some invaluable tables for converting pipe sizes to ease calcs of telescoping systems. George Church' Rowe Sprinkler g...@rowesprinkler.com 570-837-7647 -Original

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