I find it interesting that a firm would recommend we put high density
protection over toys, but protection of 300' tall storage of elderly only
needs standpipes, hose valves, and fire extinguishers. Oh- and smoke
detectors.
Does AARP offer classes on how to develop and maintain a Plant Emergency
...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:10 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: NFPA #13 changes/additions
I find it interesting that a firm would recommend we put high density
protection over toys, but protection of 300' tall storage of elderly only
new codes life safety should get better.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:10 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: NFPA #13
I'm just saying...how do you even get coffee made in the AM?
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Hairfield
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:16 PM
To: AFSA SprinklerFORUM
Subject: RE:
That'd be commercial, not residential, TW ;)
Scott, AF remains a viable alternative for freeze protection- like ANYTHING
in our trade or others, when you screw up massively, the result can be
catastrophic.
glc
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Y'all REALLY REALLY need to sign up for one of Cecil's online classes if we
spend this much time talking about how we lay out the MRA. If you're unsure,
or the code changed and you didn't, maybe it's time to go back to school. No
shame in making sure you do it correctly from this crowd!
And ya
Nicely put, Scot!
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of å...
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 2:01 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: Foam
Large pool fires (especially in tank
hand calcs, with or without velocity pressures.
Yes, that's his kid that wrote the velocity calc formula featured in FPC.
It's free and no travel expense needed.
George Church
Rowe Sprinkler
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Take a gallon glas milk bottle.
Wrap it in 30' of insulation.
Put it outside in September
In march it will have frozen and broken cause at some point, without heat
being added. Insulation without heat tape isn't going to help non-flowing
exposure.
I'm assuming test being performed at Cahill
We're planning a seasonal submarine base for Mark's backyard.
Since you already had the calibrated thermocouples in the oven
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Thursday,
Who were you trying to reach?
Got a bunch of em on my left-
Rich, matt, jon?
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:18 AM
To:
he didn't say 3x list
tom
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Autry, David
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 12:36 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Foam
I worked for the Big G
Or you could look at it as an offer of help?
Sorta depends on how it comes across.
I've forwarded emails, as I would have wit yours to martin at Viking, just
so you could get your answer.
Believe me, I'm no fan of commercialization of the forum, but sometimes a
fine line.
Glc
Should I disclose I
Boxes are placed on grated floors, creating obstructions to spray that
aren't apparent at final inspection.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010
I'd say that connecting diesel fire pump(s) (and large electric jockey?) to
a 250,000 gal tank that is suitable for industrial process water, perhaps
built to AWWA standards, is far superior to relying on elec well pumps even
with backup power; even if the tank isn't compliant to #22.
Wow- that's
Those aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Expansion of residential hasn't
seemed to be a focus of Vic, despite HQ in first state t oadopt IRC mandate.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
utc.com
On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM, George Church for...@ptd.net wrote:
Amen-
Wonder if we'll have wireless heads in the future.
Seriously- MIST. Say it like plastics in the Graduate
(if you don't know the movie, you're not an old-timer, Mrs Robinson).
Imagine if we could do mist
It'd be the same fireloading as a D and you'd flow 2; Thom would be
sprinklering the attic in CO, not as a CO.
Careful, there are times we can draw parallels between 13, 13r, 13d, and
times where logic has NOTHING to do with it.
glc
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I recall running 2 risers up on either end of a bar/restaurant connecting
ends of a 2.5 CM above, and the Fire Dude looking quizzically at it-isn't
the big pipe supposed to feed the small pipe?
Thankfully he accepted my so long as it calcs, and 2.5 didn't fit
explanation. This was in 1985 +/- so
Wow, what a slow Friday.
My first reaction was - you didn't know that there was an OH3?
Guess OIA and FIA weren't something you followed (merged to form IRI).
I pity the sprinkler shops that don't have any old-timers- young bucks laugh
all you want, but break that 8 threaded joint without a chain
Amen-
Wonder if we'll have wireless heads in the future.
Seriously- MIST. Say it like plastics in the Graduate
(if you don't know the movie, you're not an old-timer, Mrs Robinson).
Imagine if we could do mist with small diameter pipe (1/2?), 5 GPM flow,
once they get a nozzle/detector
If applicable code didn't require, Ron faced what isn't all that unusual,
and reminds me of the two times we used swimming pools for pump suction-
We do a lot because it's the right thing to do. Lots of these things don't
cost a lot, sometimes, like a tank, they do. I don't like using a pool, but
Engineer
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Thursday
Alliance Fire Protection
*Licensed in KS MO
913.888.0647 ph
913.888.0618 f
913.927.0222 cell
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010
Tyco made one and it may still be available; or perhaps within distribution
if not made, couple left on shelf.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010
I'm not an attorney, but the son of a phila lawyer, I always include
specific language that we're to be held harmless, including costs of
defense, for any claim for damage(s) or injury including death that may
result from the system design being faulty.
I'd run the form letter past an atty-for
My first 1m SF ESFR back in about 1989 dumped 1m gal a year into the
retention pond. Not very green, in retrospect. I think system demand at pump
discharge was 174.8 PSI, and FM said they needed 10 PSI buffer on the
SUCTION SIDE to account for degradation of the supply external to the site,
and
10' of 4 or 6 standpipe, not real significant. If you're that close in
your calc, it'd be scary.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Drucker
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:10 AM
To:
relief valves to flatten the pump curve
LOL. You make me laugh G.C... Good way to start a day.
Rod
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:35 AM
Less of a bath if they need to hook a 2nd hose up, or remove one.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Doug Hicks
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 10:24 AM
To: sprinkler board
Subject: FDC
We have a
Perfect example of contractor vrs PE :)
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Law, Kevin W
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:00 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: FDC
Poor design?
I think George Thorogood quote applies here.
One B, one S and one B
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Damien
Shannon
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:35 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
You could do as others are now doing, start signing my name!
I don't know if I'm posting, or if Geo Thorogood has joined the industry-
I'll have to have him start signing off as GT. So just sign as GT and few
will be the wiser.
I must mention I never considered you judgmental. Egocentric, and I
Right- but you'd take the 150 off at the nearest hydrant to pump suction.
And you could leave the 100 inside off there, too, if there aren't inside
hose connections.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On
Note that AFSA members could contact the TAG guy. Part of the VALUE in AFSA
membership.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 10:29 AM
To:
All it would take is one failure at the wrong time and your water is in the
parking lot instead of coming out the sprinklers.
Clarke doesn't have PLDs in the UK market?
189-229 Lomond Road, Coatbridge, ML5 2, GB
Tel: 44-0-1236-429-946
Todd, swapping the controller out for a variable speed one
We used to spend hours with site guys trying to get the U certifs.
Realized we only care about the flushing since that is what impacts our
systems's integrity.
So rather than spend hours of PM time to try to get it right, we spend a
half hour hooking up a piece of 4 with 3-2.5 FHVs to the floor
Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
George Church
Subject: RE: Underground flushing velocities
We put it on a U certif. noted we did flushing
only, and we put it in the file. If the site guy and AHJ figure out what
By using residential heads in a 13 residential calc, 4 head MRA vrs not
using res hds and having a 3000 sf mra due to permissible unprotected
combustible construction, the res hds DO allow a 4 hd calc- vrs the largest
room, and it'd only be 4 res hds in the corr not 5.
Residential sprinklers
I believe another reason was fear of main relief valve sticking OPEN as
flows increase, so the water that should go to 10 open heads is out in the
parking lot.
We address by using Clarke diesels w/PLD, 170 pSI output from churn to
demand. About as good as it gets at base of riser. Sometimes your
If there may be folks trapped in a building they're spraying, they aren't
going to worry about the suction pressure so much as the life in the window.
And we sure don't want that debris to end up at the next reducing coupling
or blocking a riser nipple/drop/orifice, etc. Worst part is that the
Hmmm, Steve, you give me time to pause for a moment.
Would reducing fire loading in the living room be a valid reason for buying
TUBE amplifiers?
Too bad T would be a building safety professional, capable of calling yur
bluff..
glc
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Heck, I wanna know what kind of WATER he's using that won't turn to steam!
You're putting a relief valve on it, eh? Maybe sized a little larger than
usual?
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
Might have trouble with the grooved gasketseven if its just from heat
transferred from the oven armovers to the line or main.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Thompson
Sent: Monday,
I don't know that Job makes a 165*bulb, likely why there isn't.
I'm not allowed to have an opinion on this, but if I did I'd think there
wouldn't be a significant difference in response and even if you mixed em in
the same room with some 165*F link heads, there'd be no material bad karma
A relatively simple solution that is less costly than a connected reserve
bottle of N2 is to have an ASME pressure vessel with air or nitrogen as a
smaller capacity connected reserve; when the low air switch goes off because
the N2 tank is empty, you close the valve and install the protective cap
Milky white, hard and brittle where hardened from exposure to air.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
Willis
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:01 PM
To: Afsa Tech Forum
Subject: Sodium
As we get older, we all do.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Denhardt
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 12:03 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Nitrogen
Agree - I remember
Not with any semblance of self-preservation.
And let's face it, with warehouses past 40' now, is 40' enough?
Yes, since those are usually suppression mode ESFR. If they aren't, then
maybe a longer distance should be considered. At the meter pit is starting
to look better than coming back out of
I'd check vic and/or Grinnell websites/manuals.
I've run grooved galv, wrapped, to a 90* pattern FDC without serious
consequences.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan
Sent:
It took a generation, like smoke detectors and seat belts.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Frank Herrick
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:49 PM
To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org'
Subject:
Further to this is a requirement that technical documentation shall be
furnished to the AHJ.
Interesting when you're looking at a clean agent in lieu of a sprinkler
system.
Has anyone developed a technical documentation indicating this arrangement
is equal or better than sprinkler protection,
] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:46 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: FM-200 System
Further to this is a requirement that technical documentation shall be
furnished to the AHJ.
Interesting when you're looking at a clean agent in lieu of a sprinkler
system
the risk--in
writing.
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 7:18 AM, George Church for...@ptd.net wrote:
I agree and have stated this would be preferable.
Alas, it's not my building and I'm trying to comply with the Owner's
wishes.
In this case, the ultimate Owner of the facility would be able to trump
And where you'd be putting the ball drip, a leak at the mech tee doesn't
matter much- you're installing a leak.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010
And if Californians can afford it in their shape, you've nothing to worry
about. The cost statistics the NAHB cites make me think I can retire 3
months into this, but I know we install near the number Frank quoted- and
will continue to.
Best of luck and you might want to add that the NAHB has
Who wanted a clipping of homebuilders fighting smoke detectors a month or so
ago? Ran across one, sent it to some forumites last eve
glc
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Yes, I love those calls at 10AM, please come immediately, we had an
emergency at 3 AM.
Without breaker protection/lock-in as a requirement for a hard-wired air
compr, I can't think the plug-in is any worse. I agree with Ron's intent
concept, for with small hand tools, a lot of sprinkler
to see a requirement in 13D that you need to prove the
recovery rate for the well will either be the system demand (plus the
already required 5 gpm extra) or that there is sufficient storage to
compensate for the full duration.
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:52 PM, George Church for...@ptd.net wrote
Was it NFPA Journal that just ad an article about the sugar company hiring
away one of the best corporate risk managers to:
Change the physical addressing of dust with re-design of process and quantum
improvement of housekeeping; change the corporate culture completely, to
give everyone ownership
Getcha a little closer to FL with Forumite Bobby McC in Atlanta.
Glc
Roster mgr
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cahill
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:35 PM
To:
I suppose the pilot lines are 1/2 galv 40 so you can't make it real ez by
drilling in a snap halfway between the existing 12' oc and end up with 6'
spacing very economically? Unscrew a pilot head, install a 1/2 tee,
re-install, and stab 1/2 pipe 6' over to a new intermediate? Either f these
would
I've not been able to obtain any idea of the relative frequencies of MIC and
ESF incidents, either to themselves or in total # of systems.
However, its prudent to take precautions because:
While the chances of getting eaten by a lion while walking down Main St are
one in a million;
Once is
Maybe redundancy is the better answer; replicate near the south pole?
We've got 10 acres ripe for development beside our shop, and would be happy
to have some construction move forward locally!
glc
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Exactly how my ASCOA data books and design manuals are stored.
Someone broke in and stole the manometer, tho.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:30 AM
Better than Chinese drywall on your butt.
Hey, ADM spelled backwards is TYCO :)
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 11:53 AM
To:
From: LI, BOIS-UCC e-alert [mailto:ra-li-bois-ucceal...@state.pa.us]
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:26 AM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: UCC E-Alert (3/11/10)
Yesterday, March 10, 2010, Commonwealth Court Judge Johnny J. Butler denied
the Pennsylvania Builders Association (PBA)
Whoa!
You either Guess
Or you calculate.
Compare it to 13d and a bucket test where you find out if your guess on the
supply pressure and pipe sizing was right- or not.
But if you calculate in accordance with 13 procedures for calcs- by hand or
program- you should be able to say you don't need a
Early 70's, nuke plant under construction, CO2 released without alarms.
Guys were falling off scaffolding, falling down while walking, amazing no
one was killed and someone was able to get it ventilated.
You're absolutely right on this, John. And if you do use it, is there enough
signage to
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:59 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: PA BUILDERS LOSE INJUNCTION
Well, seems you've thrown a stone or two at a major manufacturer, while
saying you'd trust it more if it came from a reputable engineering house.
Ok, can you define reputable engineering house? 90% or more of the
engineering houses issuing sealed FP dwgs for us to bid from could be used
as
On road details to follow
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Drucker
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:42 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: FPE in Wisconsin
Bill,
The
I'm glad you said that, because the military is generally exempt from local
building codes and local registration wouldn't be required- as I understand
it. We are, however, doing a project now for a military foundation on a
military complex, and we're giving copies of our system to the locals, but
Sounds like he's asking for a dielectric union? Have run into this in
defense settings where they have anti-listening criteria to meet.
glc
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mike Brown
Sent:
Take a deep breath, a step back and look at the big picture: 13D.
Get the job, and then propose an upgrade; if there's gonna be $3.6 mil worth
of Italian HP in there, it would be prudent to do so. But you'll have made
the best shot at getting the work, and offering whatever level the owner
wants
George Church
for...@ptd.net To
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sprinklerforum-bo
...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 7:53 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: 13D Large Garage Revisited
That would depend on a zillion variables.
We could spend a lot of time discussing and never reach a conclusion.
It's 13D
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 9:02 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: 13D Large Garage Revisited
Flow 2 heads as cheap as you can and meet applicable minimum consensus
standard. Offer every
Fire Sprinkler Industry Meets with NAHB
On Wed 3/3/2010 in Washington, DC the NFSA and AFSA met with Jerry Howard,
CEO of the NAHB and his key staff.
The main purpose of the meeting was to discuss areas of mutual cooperation,
such as training and education and code and technical interface
Fire Sprinkler Industry Meets with NAHB
On Wed 3/3/2010 in Washington, DC the NFSA and AFSA met with Jerry Howard,
CEO of the NAHB and his key staff.
The main purpose of the meeting was to discuss areas of mutual cooperation,
such as training and education and code and technical interface
It is if it continues to be what results at the end.
At this point, PA has adopted the IRC as a law. The PBA (et al) has filed a
lawsuit. My understanding is that it is based on their opinion that the
process they sought and got- and chaired- was unconstitutional now that they
lost (twicet).
The
I'm told this only applies to the older series Vic DPVs exposed to hard
water, where you need to lubricate the piston with their special lube as
often as needed to prevent it from sticking and failing to operate.
The need for this is independent of the number of times the customer is
paying you
what is best for me NOW
Need to add that one little word, since citizens (until recently) also
judged in the short term.
Should the govt extend benefits to the unemployed in the face of this
economic duress? Asked in that way, yes.
Should the government borrow money from the Chinese and
From: LI, BOIS-UCC e-alert [mailto:ra-li-bois-ucceal...@state.pa.us]
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:44 AM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: UCC e-Alert (3/2/2010)
A hearing on the Pennsylvania Builders Association's petition for an
injunction barring the use of the 2009 International Codes
...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org]on Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:57 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: NFPA 25 Dry system leaks
I'm told this only applies to the older series Vic DPVs exposed to hard
water, where you need
BTW, in Lancaster County, PA those assembly areas, assuming they're not
rolling there, are known as stripping rooms. Might as well put a cracker
barrel in 'em, they're where tobacco farmers spend the winter.
Glc
(Lived on a tobacco farm for 15 years)
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Out my daughter's window with a view of the Lincoln Tunnel, there was a
Mercedes dealer in the foreground with these lifts wall to wall in most
parking areas. I'd assume they were used for new cars and the service
klunkers stayed on the bottom level?
Tom, woud this present a dramatically
If the pipe let loose,
It'd be SUDDEN AND UNEXPECTED but you'd have to hide your maintenance
records.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:55
And I wouldn't think you'd get much pushback.
Flooding the system for a weekend, as it warms to the 40's now, and look for
marks on drywall is another. Is there NO access to crawling in the concealed
space? Easier and more accurate way to find leaks, and faster if you can
safely flood it and look
Like anything else- mix stupidity or oversight with life safety- or pretty
much any occupation or even driving- and the result can be catastrophic.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Byron Blake
...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:10 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Plans and Specs?
We install our tank thermometers in thermowells.
Can save a LOT of water when changing out.
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Would pneumatic release be simpler? 1/2 galv can't be all that different
than conduit.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:24 AM
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We've used AF as a means to use CPVC in some retrofit attics that would have
been -well, I won't say impossible, but- and we can't replace them with dry
until we have 10 PSI supervisory air or similar means of using CPVC as a dry
system.
Don't forget, its tough to get the $ for an initial install
We install our tank thermometers in thermowells.
Can save a LOT of water when changing out.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:22 PM
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Although WHICH AJH is requiring- if its code enforcement and u can propose
an alternative that complies with code, he has to have a erason (citation)
for denial. If its an AE, you could be hosed.
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One would be that you can't always procure the same make/model.
Archives have more. Someone observed he knew he shouldn't re-use, but
economically he had to since everyone else did.
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Above and below is the usual slang for what I'd think he means.
And maybe the contract dwgs showed above and below, referred to it as
under/over, and maybe this is a plumber who doesn't know you don't need
uprights in noncombustible spaces, maybe the AE doesn't care, they're on the
docs and its
-347-3079 toll free.
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From: George Church for...@ptd.net
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Sent: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:48:07 -0500
Subject: RE: Under/Over Sprinkler
Above and below is the usual slang for what I'd think he means.
And maybe
I've always been amazed at how the sprinklers must stay up late the night
before deciding which is in the peskiest location to let loose, when a rogue
group gathers to discuss such things. Pajama parties?
Seriously, was there a dryer vent maybe close to the head or anything else
first shift
They wouldn't even have to be in a bucket to be creeping, although I see the
clue to other improper handling procedures in general before/during
installation. But even with best intentions, are the Fed Ex trucks bringing
us the heads air conditioned? L O N G supply chain...
glc
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