[sqlite] List duplication

2015-03-03 Thread R.Smith
On 2015-03-03 06:14 AM, Mike Owens wrote: > Okay, I blocked the sqlite-users at sqlite.org address in the to address > so if it is sent alone, it will be blocked. This is working perfectly, thanks!

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2015-03-03 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2015-03-02 at 21:10 -0600, Mike Owens wrote: > The problem is that this is the very bone of contention in the reply-to > religious war. Religious as in there are strongly-held beliefs on both sides, but only one is really based in logic and common sense? :) > Is it not? I may be wrong,

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2015-03-03 Thread R.Smith
On 2015-03-03 01:15 AM, Mike Owens wrote: > For clarity, here is the currently policy for Reply-to as it is set in > Mailman: > > > - Should any existing Reply-To: header found in the original message be > stripped? If so, this will be done regardless of whether an explict >

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2015-03-03 Thread R.Smith
On 2015-03-03 12:42 AM, Darren Duncan wrote: > I think that what needs to be done is for each foo at sqlite.org to > return an error/undeliverable message if someone sends a message to > it, citing that all messages must be explicitly sent to the > corresponding foo at

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2015-03-02 Thread Mike Owens
Okay, I blocked the sqlite-users at sqlite.org address in the to address so if it is sent alone, it will be blocked. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Mike Owens wrote: > Oh okay. I see. I'll look into it. > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Darren Duncan > wrote: >> >> So in that case, still

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2015-03-02 Thread Mike Owens
Oh okay. I see. I'll look into it. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Darren Duncan wrote: > So in that case, still have the SQLite mail server reject messages to the > old list rather than forwarding them, and let the problematic MUAs deal > with it. The key thing is that by not forwarding but

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2015-03-02 Thread Mike Owens
The problem is that this is the very bone of contention in the reply-to religious war. Is it not? I may be wrong, but I thought this is the very setting that people get so defensive about changing. As we have it now, people have a suitable default pointing back to the (correct) list but also the

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2015-03-02 Thread Darren Duncan
So far so good. I only got one copy of your test message. I also sent my own message to just sqlite-users at sqlite.org and it was bounced as expected. -- Darren Duncan On 2015-03-02 8:14 PM, Mike Owens wrote: > Okay, I blocked the sqlite-users at sqlite.org address in the to address > so if

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2015-03-02 Thread Mike Owens
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:27 PM, R.Smith wrote: > > Ah, thank you, all makes sense now. If you change the first option to YES > then nobody else's quirky reply-to headers will get into the list, and the > second option remains as is (it should be setting the standard > @mailinglists reply-to

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2015-03-02 Thread Mike Owens
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Darren Duncan wrote: > As near as I can tell, the Reply-To header from this list only contains > sqlite-users at mailinglists.sqlite.org and does not also contain > sqlite-users at sqlite.org so therefore I don't see the problem you're > stating. But if it

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2015-03-02 Thread Darren Duncan
So in that case, still have the SQLite mail server reject messages to the old list rather than forwarding them, and let the problematic MUAs deal with it. The key thing is that by not forwarding but rejecting, the mail server isn't sending out 2 copies of messages directly, and the rejecting is

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2015-03-02 Thread Darren Duncan
On 2015-03-02 6:14 PM, Mike Owens wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:27 PM, R.Smith wrote: >> Ah, thank you, all makes sense now. If you change the first option to YES >> then nobody else's quirky reply-to headers will get into the list, and the >> second option remains as is (it should be setting

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2015-03-02 Thread Darren Duncan
On 2015-03-02 6:08 PM, Mike Owens wrote: > On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Darren Duncan > wrote: >> As near as I can tell, the Reply-To header from this list only contains >> sqlite-users at mailinglists.sqlite.org and does not also contain >> sqlite-users at sqlite.org so therefore I don't see

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2015-03-02 Thread Mike Owens
For clarity, here is the currently policy for Reply-to as it is set in Mailman: - Should any existing Reply-To: header found in the original message be stripped? If so, this will be done regardless of whether an explict Reply-To: header is added by Mailman or not. : *NO* - Where are

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2015-03-02 Thread Darren Duncan
On 2015-03-02 3:04 PM, R.Smith wrote: > On 2015-03-03 12:42 AM, Darren Duncan wrote: >> I think that what needs to be done is for each foo at sqlite.org to return an >> error/undeliverable message if someone sends a message to it, citing that all >> messages must be explicitly sent to the

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2015-03-02 Thread Darren Duncan
I think that what needs to be done is for each foo at sqlite.org to return an error/undeliverable message if someone sends a message to it, citing that all messages must be explicitly sent to the corresponding foo at mailinglists.sqlite.org. That should handily solve the problem. -- Darren

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2015-03-02 Thread R.Smith
Ok, I've found the source of the list duplications. Some emails (Such as the one by J.K. Lowden 2-March-2015 re: Characters corrupt after importing...) contains a "Reply-To" field in the header with both list addresses which must have sneaked in there due to some automatic list feature. (By

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2015-03-02 Thread Mike Owens
For what it is worth, the move to mailinglists.sqlite.org is a result of the Mailman web interface having to be hosted under the following two constraints: 1. It must be on port 80 2. It cannot be on sqlite.org port 80 I explained this reasoning in a previous email. The short version is because

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2015-03-02 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2015-03-02 at 12:45 +0200, R.Smith wrote: > Ok, I've found the source of the list duplications. > > Some emails (Such as the one by J.K. Lowden 2-March-2015 re: Characters > corrupt after importing...) contains a "Reply-To" field in the header > with both list addresses which must have

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2015-03-02 Thread David Woodhouse
On Sat, 2015-02-28 at 14:10 -0800, Darren Duncan wrote: > > My comment on "whoever" is meant to be plural. > > I think as a general principle that whenever people reply to list messages, > they > look at the headers of the message they are writing and make sure the list > doesn't appear twice

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2015-02-28 Thread Tim Streater
On 27 Feb 2015 at 22:47, Simon Slavin wrote: > On 27 Feb 2015, at 10:04pm, R.Smith wrote: > >> Ah, I think this is the answer probably. Maybe people hitting the "reply to >> all" or such and it copies across lists. Simon is possibly not subscribed to >> both, hence not getting duplicates. > >

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2015-02-28 Thread Darren Duncan
On 2015-02-28 3:15 AM, R.Smith wrote: > On 2015-02-28 05:02 AM, Darren Duncan wrote: >> I'm seeing a lot of message duplication too, but the ones I see are due to >> someone putting the list address twice as a recipient. >> >> For example a bunch of the "PhD student" messages say "To" >>

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2015-02-28 Thread R.Smith
On 2015-02-28 05:02 AM, Darren Duncan wrote: > I'm seeing a lot of message duplication too, but the ones I see are > due to someone putting the list address twice as a recipient. > > For example a bunch of the "PhD student" messages say "To" > sqlite-users at mailinglists.sqlite.org plus "Cc"

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2015-02-28 Thread R.Smith
On 2015-02-28 12:47 AM, Simon Slavin wrote: > On 27 Feb 2015, at 10:04pm, R.Smith wrote: > >> Ah, I think this is the answer probably. Maybe people hitting the "reply to >> all" or such and it copies across lists. Simon is possibly not subscribed >> to both, hence not getting duplicates. > I

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2015-02-28 Thread R.Smith
On 2015-02-27 10:09 PM, Peter Aronson wrote: > I've seen it too. All of the duplicate messages appear to have been sent to > both sqlite-dev at mailinglists.sqlite.org and sqlite-dev at sqlite.org or to > both sqlite-usersmailinglists.sqlite.org and sqlite-users at sqlite.org. Ah, I think

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2015-02-27 Thread Simon Slavin
On 27 Feb 2015, at 10:04pm, R.Smith wrote: > Ah, I think this is the answer probably. Maybe people hitting the "reply to > all" or such and it copies across lists. Simon is possibly not subscribed to > both, hence not getting duplicates. I confirm that I am not subscribed to the -dev list.

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2015-02-27 Thread to...@acm.org
Me too, for about the last 7-10 days or so! -Original Message- From: R.Smith Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 9:38 PM To: sqlite-users at mailinglists.sqlite.org Subject: [sqlite] List duplication Hi all, Just a quick question, I've been getting duplicated mails via the forum

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2015-02-27 Thread R.Smith
Hi all, Just a quick question, I've been getting duplicated mails via the forum. It seems very random, roughly 1 in 4 mails I receive in duplicate. Has anyone else been getting duplicate mails? It's not a biggie, I just delete the duplicates. Also, it might be my email settings or setup being

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2015-02-27 Thread Simon Slavin
On 27 Feb 2015, at 7:38pm, R.Smith wrote: > Just a quick question, I've been getting duplicated mails via the forum. It > seems very random, roughly 1 in 4 mails I receive in duplicate. Has anyone > else been getting duplicate mails? Not me. Check back on the message-id and received headers

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2015-02-27 Thread Darren Duncan
pear to have been sent to > both sqlite-dev at mailinglists.sqlite.org and sqlite-dev at sqlite.org or to > both sqlite-usersmailinglists.sqlite.org and sqlite-users at sqlite.org. > > Peter > > > On Fri, 2/27/15, R.Smith wrote: &

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2015-02-27 Thread Stephen Chrzanowski
I've not been having problems with duplicates, but I have been randomly having commoners end up in my spam bucket for one reason or another over the last 48 hours or so. I've specifically set a filter in GMail that if anything comes in for this mailing list to NOT go to spam, yet On Fri, Feb

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2015-02-27 Thread Peter Aronson
, R.Smith wrote: Subject: [sqlite] List duplication To: sqlite-users at mailinglists.sqlite.org Date: Friday, February 27, 2015, 12:38 PM Hi all, Just a quick question, I've been getting duplicated mails via the forum. It seems very random, roughly 1 in 4 mails I receive in duplicate