Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Have a look around on the wiki. It's quite possible to run freenet 0.7 from just the jars. You need to get freenet-cvs-snapshot.jar and freenet-ext.jar, and a JVM, and run java -cp freenet-cvs-snapshot.jar;freenet-ext.jar freenet.node.Node ... On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 04:50:23AM -, Anonymous via Panta Rhei wrote: > On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:39:59 +0200, you wrote: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Please, Do NOT suggest switching to Linux, I've tried it and my hardware > > > will not > > > support it's demands. Again, this is a matter of money that unlike SOME > > > people, I > > > don't have a hell > > > > > I suggest linux. There are many versions of it, some of them designed to > > run on very poor hardware with insufficient ram. > > Money is not an excuse for using a bad OS. > > > > Just look for a minimalist linux. There are many good window managers > > like IceWM (IIRC) which won't demand much memory. > > > > Perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. Linux is not an acceptable answer. > Machine limitations are a major part of that, but other considerations > that I am not at liberty to discuss are also a factor. > > Changing OS is not an option no matter what. I have made poor choices due > to financial limitations and now am locked into those choices for at least > another 9.85 years. (and yeah, it sucks to be me.) > > On the other hand, I have seen reports of people successfully running 0.7 > on a Windows 98 computer with little difficulty. Because of this, I do not > comprehend the apparent reluctance to divulge the requested help. > > I would consider Entropy except for the fact that it has always been slower > than shit and has not released a new version in over a year > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:06 +0100, you wrote: > > Freenet 0.5 had opennet, and yet it was a failure. > Ok, I gotta know this. How is 0.5 considered a failure. I use it daily and it works flawlessly, Frost messages flow as well as ever, as do downloads of splitfiles. Yesterday I retrieved a freesite that had not been updated in two years and it was 100% intact. To me, that spells success. "And now back to Frost" > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:44:42PM -, Hartmut Folter wrote: > > Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet > > failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of alpha > > with open-net. > -- > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. Crash [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] can freenet use this technology?
Beyond that, we'd need something like public/private key crypto. You could use quantum crypto for data links, but not for SSKs etc. On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 12:01:17AM -0400, Evan Daniel wrote: > No. > > Quantum cryptography, key distribution, etc. all rely on the ability > of communicators to exchange objects like qbits or entangled photons. > Properly designed, this provides a guarantee (backed by the > Uncertainty Principle) that the communication can't be intercepted. > Needless to say, I can't send you a photon over the internet. And, > any attempt to send a digital representation of one suffers because > digital data can be read non-destructively. > > Basically a quantum crypto based network would need, at a minimum, > physical fiber optic links between the participants. > > HTH > > Evan > > On 8/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > >Message-type: plaintext > > > > > > > >this tech, or an algo based on it? > > > > > >Quantum cryptographic data network created > >http://www.dailyindia.com/show/55384.php/Quantum-cryptographic-data-network-created > > > >EVANSTON, Ill., Aug. 28 (UPI) -- U.S. scientists have demonstrated, for > >the first time, a quantum cryptographic data network. > > > >Researchers from Northwestern University and BBN Technologies Inc., a > >Cambridge, Mass., research and development company, said they integrated > >quantum noise protected data encryption, or QDE, with quantum key > >distribution to develop a complete data communication system with > >extraordinary resilience to eavesdropping. > > > >"The volume and type of sensitive information being transmitted over data > >networks continues to grow at a remarkable pace," said Prem Kumar, > >professor of electrical engineering and computer science at Northwestern > >and co-principal investigator on the project. "New cryptographic methods > >are needed to continue ensuring that the privacy and safety of each user's > >information is secure." > > > >The QDE method, called AlphaEta, makes use of the inherent and irreducible > >quantum noise in laser light to enhance the security of the system and > >makes eavesdropping much more difficult. The scientists said unlike most > >other physical encryption methods, AlphaEta maintains performance on par > >with traditional optical communications links and is compatible with > >standard fiber optical networks. > > > >Henry Yeh, director of programs at BBN, said the newly developed system > >represents the state-of-the-art in ultra-secure high-speed optical > >communications. > > > >Copyright 2006 by United Press International > > > > > >-END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > >___ > >Support mailing list > >Support@freenetproject.org > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >Unsubscribe at > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
It wasn't safe enough, though, I suppose.On 30 Aug 2006 03:27:04 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:06 +0100, you wrote:>> Freenet 0.5 had opennet, and yet it was a failure.>Ok, I gotta know this. How is 0.5 considered a failure. I use it daily andit works flawlessly, Frost messages flow as well as ever, as do downloads of splitfiles. Yesterday I retrieved a freesite that had not been updated intwo years and it was 100% intact. To me, that spells success."And now back to Frost"> On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:44:42PM -, Hartmut Folter wrote: > > Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet> > failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of alpha> > with open-net.> --> Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/> ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. Crash [EMAIL PROTECTED]___Support mailing listSupport@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.supportUnsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/supportOr mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
Well on the most trivial level, 0.5 doesn't work in china. On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:51:32PM +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote: > It wasn't safe enough, though, I suppose. > > On 30 Aug 2006 03:27:04 -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:06 +0100, you wrote: > >> > >> Freenet 0.5 had opennet, and yet it was a failure. > >> > > > >Ok, I gotta know this. How is 0.5 considered a failure. I use it daily > >and > >it works flawlessly, Frost messages flow as well as ever, as do downloads > >of > >splitfiles. Yesterday I retrieved a freesite that had not been updated in > >two years and it was 100% intact. To me, that spells success. > > > >"And now back to Frost" > > > >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:44:42PM -, Hartmut Folter wrote: > >> > Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet > >> > failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of > >alpha > >> > with open-net. > >> -- > >> Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > >> ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > > > >Crash [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >___ > >Support mailing list > >Support@freenetproject.org > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >Unsubscribe at > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
Matthew Toseland wrote: Well on the most trivial level, 0.5 doesn't work in china. yo, beyond harvesting the connected IP addresses to raid their owner's homes, one big concern with encrypted protocols is that they can be filtered out by application-level scanning firewalls. I think this is exactly what's happening in China. Application-level scanning can be implemented via ASIC technology directly in hardware thus being extremely fast, and we know this works very well. Public-key encrypted communications show constant patterns the moment a public key is exchanged between hosts. Such system can work until there's enough processing power available to make them run without compromising the overal network performance, so to defeat them (they are intended to simply drop forbidden connections) you have to design a protocol which shows no recognisable patterns at any level. Nested symmetric encryption of each packet with multiple randomly selected pre-shared keys? To decode each packet a firewall will have to: 1) try at least half the known pre-shared keys on each packet 2) do the above for each level of encryption used. given the number of keys n and the number of levels l the total number of decryption passes k before you extract usable data (which may be further asymmetrically encrypted) is k = (n/2)^l. This is true for each packet and you cannot avoid doing this if you want to confirm the contents. While this might not be so demanding for a single CPU and few connections, a core firewall won't be happy to discover that a simple scan no longer suffices and you have to actually process a VERY large number of packets coming from a number of sources with random ports trough a custom designed and frequently updated cryptographic ASIC multiple times. The idea is not to design a virtually unstopplable protocol: there might come a day when only pure HTTP to port 80 is allowed, the idea instead is to make it a bit more unstoppable in places like China, probably France and EU and next in the US. Also, this won't be a solution in places that trace social network connections (like the current US), this however will make the process somewhat harder. Just a suggestion.. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 22:35, inverse wrote: > beyond harvesting the connected IP addresses to raid their owner's > homes, one big concern with encrypted protocols is that they can be > filtered out by application-level scanning firewalls. I think this is > exactly what's happening in China. Yes, the session bytes that are used to initiate connections are typical. > Public-key encrypted communications show constant patterns the moment > a public key is exchanged between hosts. Communication between 0.7 nodes doesn't have to exchange public keys, those are already known as they are contained in the node reference. David pgp3I7rk5J72S.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
Have you thought about that ignoring reset packets thing that was shown to make it possible to bypass The Great Firewall? I mean, I don't know too much about it, or if it'd be possible for freenetbut it might be worth looking in to. Also just wanna add that I fully support the desire to help get around the chinese firewalls and stuffbut you're one of hundreds of projects working on that same goaland personally, I'm not using 0.7 until there's a working opennet. As much as it may seem like I'm totally against darknetsit's not so much what you're working on, it's how. I still feel quite strongly that the main page should send new users to a download page for 0.5, not 0.7. As for the issue of getting a working opennet...I'll join the other people in backing offI suppose I can wait another year or so for a new versionI just hope 0.5 will last that long without any fresh users. On 8/30/06, David 'Bombe' Roden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 30 August 2006 22:35, inverse wrote: > beyond harvesting the connected IP addresses to raid their owner's > homes, one big concern with encrypted protocols is that they can be > filtered out by application-level scanning firewalls. I think this is > exactly what's happening in China. Yes, the session bytes that are used to initiate connections are typical. > Public-key encrypted communications show constant patterns the moment > a public key is exchanged between hosts. Communication between 0.7 nodes doesn't have to exchange public keys, those are already known as they are contained in the node reference. David ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 23:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Have you thought about that ignoring reset packets thing that was > shown to make it possible to bypass The Great Firewall? I mean, I > don't know too much about it, or if it'd be possible for > freenetbut it might be worth looking in to. That would involve platform-specific code, there's no way to do that in java. David pgpjzwSgsXhpB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
David 'Bombe' Roden wrote: Communication between 0.7 nodes doesn't have to exchange public keys, those are already known as they are contained in the node reference. nice! I definitely need to install 0.7 and capture some packets for testing ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you thought about that ignoring reset packets thing that was shown to make it possible to bypass The Great Firewall? I mean, I don't know too much about it, or if it'd be possible for freenetbut it might be worth looking in to. it's possible to do it, but only under linux at the moment. You just set an iptables prerouting rule that drops incoming tcp RST packets. This a kernel side level 4 setting that's perfectly transparent to the application level, the only side effect being that any incoming connection will end with a timeout in place of a graceful reset. Under windows I suppose you simply lack the instruments and support to do something clever like that. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953
Thank you. I must search for Ed. Nick > [Original Message] > From: Anonymous via Panta Rhei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Nicholas Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 8/31/2006 3:40:52 AM > Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953 > > On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 01:42:42 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, > > jury, > > > ammo. Use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt > > > > I'm quite familiar with the other folks mentioned. As a genealogist, this > > Ed Howdershelt interests me very much. Could you point me to more > > information regarding him? One of his cousin seems to have lived a few > > hundred yards from where my mother was born and raised. And I've heard the > > surname (and several variants) since I was perhaps eight to ten years of > > age. > > Sorry, I saw it used in somebody's message on usenet (alt.privacy I think), > liked it and decided to add it to my collection. > > details of it's origin or the credited author are unknown to me. > > > -- > "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great > nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our > homeland." > > - Adolf Hitler, proposing the creation of the Gestapo in Nazi Germany. > - George Bush, Talking about the Homeland Security Act and the Patriot Act. > > "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become > the instruments of tyranny at home." > > James Madison, fourth president of > the United States > > I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the > death, your right to say it. - Voltaire > > "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, > ammo. Use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt > > ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] can freenet use this technology?
-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext this tech, or an algo based on it? Quantum cryptographic data network created http://www.dailyindia.com/show/55384.php/Quantum-cryptographic-data-network-created EVANSTON, Ill., Aug. 28 (UPI) -- U.S. scientists have demonstrated, for the first time, a quantum cryptographic data network. Researchers from Northwestern University and BBN Technologies Inc., a Cambridge, Mass., research and development company, said they integrated quantum noise protected data encryption, or QDE, with quantum key distribution to develop a complete data communication system with extraordinary resilience to eavesdropping. "The volume and type of sensitive information being transmitted over data networks continues to grow at a remarkable pace," said Prem Kumar, professor of electrical engineering and computer science at Northwestern and co-principal investigator on the project. "New cryptographic methods are needed to continue ensuring that the privacy and safety of each user's information is secure." The QDE method, called AlphaEta, makes use of the inherent and irreducible quantum noise in laser light to enhance the security of the system and makes eavesdropping much more difficult. The scientists said unlike most other physical encryption methods, AlphaEta maintains performance on par with traditional optical communications links and is compatible with standard fiber optical networks. Henry Yeh, director of programs at BBN, said the newly developed system represents the state-of-the-art in ultra-secure high-speed optical communications. Copyright 2006 by United Press International -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-
[freenet-support] can freenet use this technology?
No. Quantum cryptography, key distribution, etc. all rely on the ability of communicators to exchange objects like qbits or entangled photons. Properly designed, this provides a guarantee (backed by the Uncertainty Principle) that the communication can't be intercepted. Needless to say, I can't send you a photon over the internet. And, any attempt to send a digital representation of one suffers because digital data can be read non-destructively. Basically a quantum crypto based network would need, at a minimum, physical fiber optic links between the participants. HTH Evan On 8/29/06, remailer at invalid.com wrote: > -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > Message-type: plaintext > > > > this tech, or an algo based on it? > > > Quantum cryptographic data network created > http://www.dailyindia.com/show/55384.php/Quantum-cryptographic-data-network-created > > EVANSTON, Ill., Aug. 28 (UPI) -- U.S. scientists have demonstrated, for the > first time, a quantum cryptographic data network. > > Researchers from Northwestern University and BBN Technologies Inc., a > Cambridge, Mass., research and development company, said they integrated > quantum noise protected data encryption, or QDE, with quantum key > distribution to develop a complete data communication system with > extraordinary resilience to eavesdropping. > > "The volume and type of sensitive information being transmitted over data > networks continues to grow at a remarkable pace," said Prem Kumar, professor > of electrical engineering and computer science at Northwestern and > co-principal investigator on the project. "New cryptographic methods are > needed to continue ensuring that the privacy and safety of each user's > information is secure." > > The QDE method, called AlphaEta, makes use of the inherent and irreducible > quantum noise in laser light to enhance the security of the system and makes > eavesdropping much more difficult. The scientists said unlike most other > physical encryption methods, AlphaEta maintains performance on par with > traditional optical communications links and is compatible with standard > fiber optical networks. > > Henry Yeh, director of programs at BBN, said the newly developed system > represents the state-of-the-art in ultra-secure high-speed optical > communications. > > Copyright 2006 by United Press International > > > -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > >
Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,
5 and 0, 7] On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:54:12 -0400, you wrote: > > If you pester anyone too much it can be self defeating. Perhaps > unintentionally as they consume much time deleting your messages from their > files. Or intentionally if they choose to block the excesses traffic. Tell you what, you make a good point and the last thing I want to do is slow down the work that would give so many what they want most. With this in mind, I'll shut up about open-net and not even mention it here until 12/1/06. At that time I will ask again how close it is to being deployed. (unless of course it is deployed by then !!) I will also post in frost asking others who were on this 'pestering' campaign to hold off and let you folks do your thing. > > > > > "We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get > open-net deployed." > > > >
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:39:59 +0200, you wrote: > > nobody at geonosis.homelinux.net wrote: > > > Please, Do NOT suggest switching to Linux, I've tried it and my hardware > > will not > > support it's demands. Again, this is a matter of money that unlike SOME > > people, I > > don't have a hell > > > I suggest linux. There are many versions of it, some of them designed to > run on very poor hardware with insufficient ram. > Money is not an excuse for using a bad OS. > > Just look for a minimalist linux. There are many good window managers > like IceWM (IIRC) which won't demand much memory. > Perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. Linux is not an acceptable answer. Machine limitations are a major part of that, but other considerations that I am not at liberty to discuss are also a factor. Changing OS is not an option no matter what. I have made poor choices due to financial limitations and now am locked into those choices for at least another 9.85 years. (and yeah, it sucks to be me.) On the other hand, I have seen reports of people successfully running 0.7 on a Windows 98 computer with little difficulty. Because of this, I do not comprehend the apparent reluctance to divulge the requested help. I would consider Entropy except for the fact that it has always been slower than shit and has not released a new version in over a year
[freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:25:16 -0400, you wrote: > > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 15:19, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > - Don't start the updater if the wrapper is broken > > I have problems with this one. I do not run the wrapper - I do want freenet > to > download new stable versions and then quit. > I have the java command that starts freenet in a loop and this suffices to > update > freenet with much of the wrapper's complexity. > It worked fine. > > I would not object to an 'are you sure' message but to block the operation is > not > reasonable. Without the wrapper its reasonable > for someone to want freenet to download new jars and prep them for execution > when the > user restarts. > > Why do we _need_ this reduced flexibility? A lack of response to your question I note with disdain -- "An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland." - Adolf Hitler, proposing the creation of the Gestapo in Nazi Germany. - George Bush, Talking about the Homeland Security Act and the Patriot Act. "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." - James Madison, fourth president of the United States I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. - Voltaire "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 30 Aug 2006 04:50:23 -, Anonymous via Panta Rhei > Perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. Linux is not an acceptable answer. > Machine limitations are a major part of that, but other considerations > that I am not at liberty to discuss are also a factor. > > Changing OS is not an option no matter what. I have made poor choices due > to financial limitations and now am locked into those choices for at least > another 9.85 years. (and yeah, it sucks to be me.) > > On the other hand, I have seen reports of people successfully running 0.7 > on a Windows 98 computer with little difficulty. Because of this, I do not > comprehend the apparent reluctance to divulge the requested help. I don't think there's any 'reluctance,' I think it's just that no one does that, so they're not particularly inclined to offer advice on how to run something on an OS they don't have. Have you looked at the support wiki (I haven't)? Also, have you described the symptoms of the problem in detail on this list (at a quick glance I don't see such, and I'm not going to bother hunting in detail when the anonymization makes it harder)? And I confess I'm quite confused by your hardware problems -- if you had a weird peripheral that Linux didn't like, that wouldn't surprise me, but I really can't imagine a computer that can run 98 but not Linux, at least as far as basics like network and non-accelerated graphics go. And it can't be a problem of not enough disk / memory / cpu -- Freenet is *way* more demanding than any minimalist Linux distro, and likely most non-minimalist ones if you at least chose a wm that's lighter than KDE or Gnome. My personal choice would be Enlightenment, but there are plenty of others, some of them exceedingly lightweight. (And yes, I've installed Linux on weird "windows-only" hardware. It can be a pain, but it can be done. Don't get me started on Toshiba laptops...) Evan
[freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953
> "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, > ammo. Use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt I'm quite familiar with the other folks mentioned. As a genealogist, this Ed Howdershelt interests me very much. Could you point me to more information regarding him? One of his cousin seems to have lived a few hundred yards from where my mother was born and raised. And I've heard the surname (and several variants) since I was perhaps eight to ten years of age. Thanks.
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Have a look around on the wiki. It's quite possible to run freenet 0.7 from just the jars. You need to get freenet-cvs-snapshot.jar and freenet-ext.jar, and a JVM, and run java -cp freenet-cvs-snapshot.jar;freenet-ext.jar freenet.node.Node ... On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 04:50:23AM -, Anonymous via Panta Rhei wrote: > On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:39:59 +0200, you wrote: > > > > nobody at geonosis.homelinux.net wrote: > > > > > Please, Do NOT suggest switching to Linux, I've tried it and my hardware > > > will not > > > support it's demands. Again, this is a matter of money that unlike SOME > > > people, I > > > don't have a hell > > > > > I suggest linux. There are many versions of it, some of them designed to > > run on very poor hardware with insufficient ram. > > Money is not an excuse for using a bad OS. > > > > Just look for a minimalist linux. There are many good window managers > > like IceWM (IIRC) which won't demand much memory. > > > > Perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. Linux is not an acceptable answer. > Machine limitations are a major part of that, but other considerations > that I am not at liberty to discuss are also a factor. > > Changing OS is not an option no matter what. I have made poor choices due > to financial limitations and now am locked into those choices for at least > another 9.85 years. (and yeah, it sucks to be me.) > > On the other hand, I have seen reports of people successfully running 0.7 > on a Windows 98 computer with little difficulty. Because of this, I do not > comprehend the apparent reluctance to divulge the requested help. > > I would consider Entropy except for the fact that it has always been slower > than shit and has not released a new version in over a year > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part ------ A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060830/5edc1ce0/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:06 +0100, you wrote: > > Freenet 0.5 had opennet, and yet it was a failure. > Ok, I gotta know this. How is 0.5 considered a failure. I use it daily and it works flawlessly, Frost messages flow as well as ever, as do downloads of splitfiles. Yesterday I retrieved a freesite that had not been updated in two years and it was 100% intact. To me, that spells success. "And now back to Frost" > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:44:42PM -, Hartmut Folter wrote: > > Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet > > failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of alpha > > with open-net. > -- > Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. Crash Override at OjOMetJJ+IpWf92awrR+leXmIaY
[freenet-support] can freenet use this technology?
Beyond that, we'd need something like public/private key crypto. You could use quantum crypto for data links, but not for SSKs etc. On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 12:01:17AM -0400, Evan Daniel wrote: > No. > > Quantum cryptography, key distribution, etc. all rely on the ability > of communicators to exchange objects like qbits or entangled photons. > Properly designed, this provides a guarantee (backed by the > Uncertainty Principle) that the communication can't be intercepted. > Needless to say, I can't send you a photon over the internet. And, > any attempt to send a digital representation of one suffers because > digital data can be read non-destructively. > > Basically a quantum crypto based network would need, at a minimum, > physical fiber optic links between the participants. > > HTH > > Evan > > On 8/29/06, remailer at invalid.com wrote: > >-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > >Message-type: plaintext > > > > > > > >this tech, or an algo based on it? > > > > > >Quantum cryptographic data network created > >http://www.dailyindia.com/show/55384.php/Quantum-cryptographic-data-network-created > > > >EVANSTON, Ill., Aug. 28 (UPI) -- U.S. scientists have demonstrated, for > >the first time, a quantum cryptographic data network. > > > >Researchers from Northwestern University and BBN Technologies Inc., a > >Cambridge, Mass., research and development company, said they integrated > >quantum noise protected data encryption, or QDE, with quantum key > >distribution to develop a complete data communication system with > >extraordinary resilience to eavesdropping. > > > >"The volume and type of sensitive information being transmitted over data > >networks continues to grow at a remarkable pace," said Prem Kumar, > >professor of electrical engineering and computer science at Northwestern > >and co-principal investigator on the project. "New cryptographic methods > >are needed to continue ensuring that the privacy and safety of each user's > >information is secure." > > > >The QDE method, called AlphaEta, makes use of the inherent and irreducible > >quantum noise in laser light to enhance the security of the system and > >makes eavesdropping much more difficult. The scientists said unlike most > >other physical encryption methods, AlphaEta maintains performance on par > >with traditional optical communications links and is compatible with > >standard fiber optical networks. > > > >Henry Yeh, director of programs at BBN, said the newly developed system > >represents the state-of-the-art in ultra-secure high-speed optical > >communications. > > > >Copyright 2006 by United Press International > > > > > >-END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > >___ > >Support mailing list > >Support at freenetproject.org > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >Unsubscribe at > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060830/152e9a30/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
It wasn't safe enough, though, I suppose. On 30 Aug 2006 03:27:04 -, Crash at remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org < Crash at remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org> wrote: > > On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:06 +0100, you wrote: > > > > Freenet 0.5 had opennet, and yet it was a failure. > > > > Ok, I gotta know this. How is 0.5 considered a failure. I use it daily > and > it works flawlessly, Frost messages flow as well as ever, as do downloads > of > splitfiles. Yesterday I retrieved a freesite that had not been updated in > two years and it was 100% intact. To me, that spells success. > > "And now back to Frost" > > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:44:42PM -, Hartmut Folter wrote: > > > Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet > > > failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of > alpha > > > with open-net. > > -- > > Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org > > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > Crash Override at OjOMetJJ+IpWf92awrR+leXmIaY > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060830/bbfa2328/attachment.html>
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
Well on the most trivial level, 0.5 doesn't work in china. On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:51:32PM +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote: > It wasn't safe enough, though, I suppose. > > On 30 Aug 2006 03:27:04 -, Crash at remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org < > Crash at remailer-debian.panta-rhei.eu.org> wrote: > > > >On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:01:06 +0100, you wrote: > >> > >> Freenet 0.5 had opennet, and yet it was a failure. > >> > > > >Ok, I gotta know this. How is 0.5 considered a failure. I use it daily > >and > >it works flawlessly, Frost messages flow as well as ever, as do downloads > >of > >splitfiles. Yesterday I retrieved a freesite that had not been updated in > >two years and it was 100% intact. To me, that spells success. > > > >"And now back to Frost" > > > >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:44:42PM -, Hartmut Folter wrote: > >> > Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet > >> > failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of > >alpha > >> > with open-net. > >> -- > >> Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org > >> Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > >> ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > > > >Crash Override at OjOMetJJ+IpWf92awrR+leXmIaY > > > > > >___ > >Support mailing list > >Support at freenetproject.org > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >Unsubscribe at > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060830/38aaaf09/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
Matthew Toseland wrote: > Well on the most trivial level, 0.5 doesn't work in china. > yo, beyond harvesting the connected IP addresses to raid their owner's homes, one big concern with encrypted protocols is that they can be filtered out by application-level scanning firewalls. I think this is exactly what's happening in China. Application-level scanning can be implemented via ASIC technology directly in hardware thus being extremely fast, and we know this works very well. Public-key encrypted communications show constant patterns the moment a public key is exchanged between hosts. Such system can work until there's enough processing power available to make them run without compromising the overal network performance, so to defeat them (they are intended to simply drop forbidden connections) you have to design a protocol which shows no recognisable patterns at any level. Nested symmetric encryption of each packet with multiple randomly selected pre-shared keys? To decode each packet a firewall will have to: 1) try at least half the known pre-shared keys on each packet 2) do the above for each level of encryption used. given the number of keys n and the number of levels l the total number of decryption passes k before you extract usable data (which may be further asymmetrically encrypted) is k = (n/2)^l. This is true for each packet and you cannot avoid doing this if you want to confirm the contents. While this might not be so demanding for a single CPU and few connections, a core firewall won't be happy to discover that a simple scan no longer suffices and you have to actually process a VERY large number of packets coming from a number of sources with random ports trough a custom designed and frequently updated cryptographic ASIC multiple times. The idea is not to design a virtually unstopplable protocol: there might come a day when only pure HTTP to port 80 is allowed, the idea instead is to make it a bit more unstoppable in places like China, probably France and EU and next in the US. Also, this won't be a solution in places that trace social network connections (like the current US), this however will make the process somewhat harder. Just a suggestion..
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 22:35, inverse wrote: > beyond harvesting the connected IP addresses to raid their owner's > homes, one big concern with encrypted protocols is that they can be > filtered out by application-level scanning firewalls. I think this is > exactly what's happening in China. Yes, the session bytes that are used to initiate connections are typical. > Public-key encrypted communications show constant patterns the moment > a public key is exchanged between hosts. Communication between 0.7 nodes doesn't have to exchange public keys, those are already known as they are contained in the node reference. David -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060830/6fcad4a8/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
Have you thought about that ignoring reset packets thing that was shown to make it possible to bypass The Great Firewall? I mean, I don't know too much about it, or if it'd be possible for freenetbut it might be worth looking in to. Also just wanna add that I fully support the desire to help get around the chinese firewalls and stuffbut you're one of hundreds of projects working on that same goaland personally, I'm not using 0.7 until there's a working opennet. As much as it may seem like I'm totally against darknetsit's not so much what you're working on, it's how. I still feel quite strongly that the main page should send new users to a download page for 0.5, not 0.7. As for the issue of getting a working opennet...I'll join the other people in backing offI suppose I can wait another year or so for a new versionI just hope 0.5 will last that long without any fresh users. On 8/30/06, David 'Bombe' Roden wrote: > On Wednesday 30 August 2006 22:35, inverse wrote: > > > beyond harvesting the connected IP addresses to raid their owner's > > homes, one big concern with encrypted protocols is that they can be > > filtered out by application-level scanning firewalls. I think this is > > exactly what's happening in China. > > Yes, the session bytes that are used to initiate connections are > typical. > > > > Public-key encrypted communications show constant patterns the moment > > a public key is exchanged between hosts. > > Communication between 0.7 nodes doesn't have to exchange public keys, > those are already known as they are contained in the node reference. > > > David > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/>
[freenet-chat] Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 23:47, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > Have you thought about that ignoring reset packets thing that was > shown to make it possible to bypass The Great Firewall? I mean, I > don't know too much about it, or if it'd be possible for > freenetbut it might be worth looking in to. That would involve platform-specific code, there's no way to do that in java. David -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060830/a8c75e63/attachment.pgp>
