[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
It has no opennet. As far as I'm concerned, it's useless. On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel wrote: > Wrong, it works quite well so it's functional. It's not completed but it > needs users to progress. > > > On 8/24/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > > > 0.7 isn't a stable version either. It's a not nearly completed, far > from functional version. > > On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel wrote: > > 0.5 isn't a stable version. It's an outdated version that many people > > happen to use. Of course you can keep using 0.5 and slowly watch it > > die, or even try to keep it alive. But the freenet team wants you to > > populate 0.7 so they can improve it. It's unfortunate that it scares > > away a few users too lazy to run 0.7 but they will come back once it's > > better and stable. > > > > On 8/22/06, an ominous cow herd > wrote: > > > I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding. It's fine the > way it > > > is. It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for > the > > > 0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it "unsupported" > while > > > directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make sense. > The > > > 0.5 network should be called the stable version and 0.7 should be the > > > unstable version, just like it was done in the past. If users ask > questions, > > > they should be directed to the wiki. Why the big push to get new users > on > > > the 0.7 network while it's still in the alpha stage? > > > > > > On Monday 21 August 2006 14:35, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > > We don't have a big enough team to actively support both. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:31:38PM -0700, an ominous cow herd wrote: > > > > > I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've > seen > > > > > take a working application and push it aside, while directing new > users > > > > > to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing > > > > > Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the "unsupported" > version, > > > > > and 0.7 as the alpha version still under development. New users > would > > > > > opt for the stable version. Having new users directed to an alpha > version > > > > > while the stable version is fully functioning is quite strange. > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday 19 August 2006 08:11, - wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the > beta > > > > > > test freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5. > > > > > > > > > > > > You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to > try > > > > > > freenet, even version 0.5 which works and is not a beta test. > Let's > > > > > > think about what would motivate someone... > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember when I found freenet, I installed it spent hours > reading > > > > > > over the technical jargon. > > > > > > It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of > crap > > > > > > that does not work. > > > > > > > > > > > > Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this > > > > > > complicated process and after waiting for three days with it on, > it > > > > > > finally started working. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason I spent many hours and went back after throwing it out > once, > > > > > > was because I was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's the problem: > > > > > > > > > > > > If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an > > > > > > unstable beta test, > > > > > > why would anyone new bother to join the community? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and > computers > > > > > > to beta test some random highly technical peer to peer application > that > > > > > > completely hogs your computer's resources? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user > friendly. > > > > > > A person who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's > actually > > > > > > going to work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like > myself > > > > > > will just get rid of it, not bothering to learn all the > configurations, > > > > > > frost, fuqid, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and > > > > > > install program without all the technical jargon, you would double > or > > > > > > triple your user base. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only NEW users you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to > be > > > > > > peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are > there > > > > > > that don't know about freenet already? > > > > > > > > > > > > So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would > be > > > > > > wiser to just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta > > > > > > testing, and create a nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 > is > > > > > > working. Even I would be willing to help create this website, and > I'm
[freenet-support] System error 1067
Hi there. I am new to this so please bear with me. I am trying to install Freenet and find I am unable to connect to it. It appears to have not installed properly and was wondering if I could get some advice on what to do to be able to install it correctly or if it is how to fix the error listed below: "Registering .fref file extention" "Setting up plugins" A subdirectory or file plugins already exists. "Detecting tcp port abiability" "Downloading update.cmd" "Downloading freenet-ext.jar" "Downloading freenet-stable-latest.jar" "Installing the wrapper" "Registering Freenet as a system service" wrapper | CreateService failed - The specified service already exists. (0x431) The Freenet 0.7 darknet service is starting.. The Freenet 0.7 darknet service could not be started. A system error has occurred. System error 1067 has occurred. The process terminated unexpectedly. "Waiting for freenet to startup" "Spawing up a browser" "Downloading jSite" "Downloading Thaw" "Downloading Frost" "Setting Frost up" "Finished" Many thanks in advance. - To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060823/f27e3b56/attachment.html>
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
0.7 isn't a stable version either. It's a not nearly completed, far from functional version. On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel wrote: > 0.5 isn't a stable version. It's an outdated version that many people > happen to use. Of course you can keep using 0.5 and slowly watch it > die, or even try to keep it alive. But the freenet team wants you to > populate 0.7 so they can improve it. It's unfortunate that it scares > away a few users too lazy to run 0.7 but they will come back once it's > better and stable. > > On 8/22/06, an ominous cow herd wrote: > > I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding. It's fine the way it > > is. It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for the > > 0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it "unsupported" > > while > > directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make sense. The > > 0.5 network should be called the stable version and 0.7 should be the > > unstable version, just like it was done in the past. If users ask questions, > > they should be directed to the wiki. Why the big push to get new users on > > the 0.7 network while it's still in the alpha stage? > > > > On Monday 21 August 2006 14:35, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > We don't have a big enough team to actively support both. > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:31:38PM -0700, an ominous cow herd wrote: > > > > I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen > > > > take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users > > > > to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing > > > > Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the "unsupported" version, > > > > and 0.7 as the alpha version still under development. New users would > > > > opt for the stable version. Having new users directed to an alpha > > > > version > > > > while the stable version is fully functioning is quite strange. > > > > > > > > On Saturday 19 August 2006 08:11, - wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the beta > > > > > test freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5. > > > > > > > > > > You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to try > > > > > freenet, even version 0.5 which works and is not a beta test. Let's > > > > > think about what would motivate someone... > > > > > > > > > > I remember when I found freenet, I installed it spent hours reading > > > > > over the technical jargon. > > > > > It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of crap > > > > > that does not work. > > > > > > > > > > Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this > > > > > complicated process and after waiting for three days with it on, it > > > > > finally started working. > > > > > > > > > > The reason I spent many hours and went back after throwing it out > > > > > once, > > > > > was because I was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and content. > > > > > > > > > > Here's the problem: > > > > > > > > > > If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an > > > > > unstable beta test, > > > > > why would anyone new bother to join the community? > > > > > > > > > > Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and computers > > > > > to beta test some random highly technical peer to peer application > > > > > that > > > > > completely hogs your computer's resources? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user friendly. > > > > > A person who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's actually > > > > > going to work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like myself > > > > > will just get rid of it, not bothering to learn all the > > > > > configurations, > > > > > frost, fuqid, etc. > > > > > > > > > > If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and > > > > > install program without all the technical jargon, you would double or > > > > > triple your user base. > > > > > > > > > > The only NEW users you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to be > > > > > peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are there > > > > > that don't know about freenet already? > > > > > > > > > > So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would be > > > > > wiser to just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta > > > > > testing, and create a nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 is > > > > > working. Even I would be willing to help create this website, and I'm > > > > > sure many other people also would volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Van > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Support mailing list > > > > Support at freenetproject.org > > > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > > > Unsubscribe at > > > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or > > > > mailto:support-request
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Please foreward a copy of the unstable version of WW1. Thank you. - Original Message - From: Ortwin Regel To: support at freenetproject.org Sent: 8/23/2006 1:39:36 PM Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 The stable version of WW1 was so much better... On 8/23/06, Ian Clarke wrote: On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote: You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something about it. Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant experience than the first world war. Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog ___ Support mailing list Support at freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org ?subject=unsubscribe -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060823/2710e561/attachment.html>
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
Mine fluctuates between 100 and 200 active connections with 800 known nodes. I have seen people bragging about having several hundred active connections and thousands of known nodes. On Wednesday 23 August 2006 11:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My bad. 400 known nodes. Though...I have 50 connections right now and > I'm not doing anything. Not running frost, not surving any sites...all > inbound I guess. > > On 8/23/06, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100. > > > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. > > > Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 > > > connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and > > > probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. > > > > > > On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version > > > > 0.5 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk > > > > about OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet > > > > site hoping to > > > >find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only > > > > contains information about 0.7. > > > > > > > >I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > > > >bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, > > > > and got it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know > > > > another Freenet user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and > > > > manually establish a connection to them, and they in turn had to have > > > > established a connection to > > > >someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running > > > >Freenet > > > >I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could > > > >connect > > > >to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I > > > > have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these > > > > people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the > > > > other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as > > > > easily be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other > > > > organizations who monitor and track messages on the internet. I do > > > > know their IP address, and they know mine. I tried to find some > > > > people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent > > > >fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth > > > > much. > > > > > > > >I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 > > > >nodes, > > > >none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the > > > > information, the > > > >last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if > > > > they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to > > > > find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat > > > > trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I > > > > have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my > > > > machine and bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays > > > > connected. > > > > > > > >Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found > > > > on IRC > > > >chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new > > > > connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something > > > > else to automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that > > > > connection is made, Freenet should randomly move my connections > > > > throughout the Freenet. I should never have hard and firm > > > > connections. By 'floating' my connections throughout Freenet it can > > > > honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to > > > >and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > > > > > > >I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. > > > > I'll leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks > > > > decide whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down > > > > completely. > > > > > > > >_ > > > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > >___ > > > >Support mailing list > > > >Support@freenetproject.org > > > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > > >Unsubscribe at > > > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > > >Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";> > >g border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > > > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"; > > >/> ___ > > > Support mailing list > >
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
Mine fluctuates between 100 and 200 active connections with 800 known nodes. I have seen people bragging about having several hundred active connections and thousands of known nodes. On Wednesday 23 August 2006 11:19, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > My bad. 400 known nodes. Though...I have 50 connections right now and > I'm not doing anything. Not running frost, not surving any sites...all > inbound I guess. > > On 8/23/06, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > 400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100. > > > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > > > With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. > > > Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 > > > connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and > > > probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. > > > > > > On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > > >I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version > > > > 0.5 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk > > > > about OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet > > > > site hoping to > > > >find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only > > > > contains information about 0.7. > > > > > > > >I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > > > >bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, > > > > and got it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know > > > > another Freenet user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and > > > > manually establish a connection to them, and they in turn had to have > > > > established a connection to > > > >someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running > > > >Freenet > > > >I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could > > > >connect > > > >to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I > > > > have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these > > > > people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the > > > > other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as > > > > easily be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other > > > > organizations who monitor and track messages on the internet. I do > > > > know their IP address, and they know mine. I tried to find some > > > > people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent > > > >fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth > > > > much. > > > > > > > >I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 > > > >nodes, > > > >none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the > > > > information, the > > > >last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if > > > > they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to > > > > find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat > > > > trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I > > > > have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my > > > > machine and bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays > > > > connected. > > > > > > > >Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found > > > > on IRC > > > >chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new > > > > connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something > > > > else to automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that > > > > connection is made, Freenet should randomly move my connections > > > > throughout the Freenet. I should never have hard and firm > > > > connections. By 'floating' my connections throughout Freenet it can > > > > honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to > > > >and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > > > > > > >I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. > > > > I'll leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks > > > > decide whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down > > > > completely. > > > > > > > >_ > > > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > >___ > > > >Support mailing list > > > >Support at freenetproject.org > > > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > > >Unsubscribe at > > > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > > >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > href="http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";> > >g border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > > > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"; > > >/> ___ > > > Supp
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
Please move this conversation to the chat mailing list, it really doesn't belong here.Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 953
Freenet 0.7 build 953 is now available. It should be deployed through the auto-updater very soon, and it is already downloadable through the update scripts. Please upgrade. Changelogs: 953: - Probably fix insert resuming (again!!) - Turn off aggressiveGC for now - Restart non-global persistent requests on startup - Large-file related fproxy fixes - Logging 952: - Swapping algo was slightly suboptimal, fix it. 951: - Fix a common cause of the node hanging and restarting. - Insert resuming changes; send PutFetchable when the data is fetchable; don't insert the top level (e.g. the USK) until the splitfile is fetchable. - Very minor change to shouldRejectRequest() (pre-emptive request rejection) - Use the content filter code when downloading data from temp space - Spelling/style/visual fixes - Show average bandwidth usage - myref.txt becomes myref.fref (.fref files will be auto-added when double clicked on windows) - Changes to N2NTMs from Zothar: Queued until a peer connects, can be sent to multiple peers at once. - Per-peer private note updatable without advancedEnabled - Don't start the updater if the wrapper is broken - Trim string config values -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060823/47900c06/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
There are thousands of nodes on the 0.5 network with a lot of content and active conversations on the Frost board. We would welcome you. On Wednesday 23 August 2006 05:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 > vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about > OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping > to find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only > contains information about 0.7. > > I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got > it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet > user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a > connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection > to someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running > Freenet I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I > could connect to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to > Freenet. I have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who > these people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the > other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as easily > be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who > monitor and track messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and > they know mine. I tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC > dedicated to Freent fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is > not worth much. > > I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 > nodes, none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the > information, the last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can > wait to see if they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat > and try to find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC > chat trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I > have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and > bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays connected. > > Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on > IRC chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new > connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to > automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is > made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I > should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections > throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected > to and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll > leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide > whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. > > _ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
There are thousands of nodes on the 0.5 network with a lot of content and active conversations on the Frost board. We would welcome you. On Wednesday 23 August 2006 05:51, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 > vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about > OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping > to find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only > contains information about 0.7. > > I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got > it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet > user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a > connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection > to someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running > Freenet I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I > could connect to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to > Freenet. I have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who > these people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the > other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as easily > be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who > monitor and track messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and > they know mine. I tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC > dedicated to Freent fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is > not worth much. > > I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 > nodes, none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the > information, the last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can > wait to see if they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat > and try to find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC > chat trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I > have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and > bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays connected. > > Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on > IRC chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new > connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to > automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is > made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I > should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections > throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected > to and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll > leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide > whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. > > _ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or > mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Thank you for the reply. I was hoping that you might actually answer the other part of the message The past Freenet had two branches, the stable and unstable. The unstable branch was the one where active coding was performed. The stable branch did not get updated often if at all. My question, which has yet to be answered, is why did the Freenet project break with the previous release model and start directing new users to the unstable alpha 0.7 release? When I talk of stable and unstable, I'm referring to the the code. As we can see, the 0.7 network is still undergoing a lot of changes with several critical bug fixes. The 0.5 network didn't have many changes near the end. The 0.5 network has thousands of user and a lot of content. What I have heard of the 0.7 network is that it has only a couple hundred users and very little content. ps. There are many others like me who would like to try the 0.7 network, but will not if there is no open net. On Wednesday 23 August 2006 00:34, Ian Clarke wrote: > On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote: > > You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something > > about it. > > Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, > and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant > experience than the first world war. > > Ian. > > > Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. > phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Thank you for the reply. I was hoping that you might actually answer the other part of the message The past Freenet had two branches, the stable and unstable. ?The unstable branch was the one where active coding was performed. ?The stable branch did not get updated often if at all. My question, which has yet to be answered, is why did the Freenet project break with the previous release model and start directing new users to the unstable alpha 0.7 release? When I talk of stable and unstable, I'm referring to the the code. As we can see, the 0.7 network is still undergoing a lot of changes with several critical bug fixes. The 0.5 network didn't have many changes near the end. The 0.5 network has thousands of user and a lot of content. What I have heard of the 0.7 network is that it has only a couple hundred users and very little content. ps. There are many others like me who would like to try the 0.7 network, but will not if there is no open net. On Wednesday 23 August 2006 00:34, Ian Clarke wrote: > On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote: > > You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something > > about it. > > Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, > and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant > experience than the first world war. > > Ian. > > > Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. > phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
It has no opennet. As far as I'm concerned, it's useless. On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wrong, it works quite well so it's functional. It's not completed but it needs users to progress. On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 0.7 isn't a stable version either. It's a not nearly completed, far from functional version. On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 0.5 isn't a stable version. It's an outdated version that many people > happen to use. Of course you can keep using 0.5 and slowly watch it > die, or even try to keep it alive. But the freenet team wants you to > populate 0.7 so they can improve it. It's unfortunate that it scares > away a few users too lazy to run 0.7 but they will come back once it's > better and stable. > > On 8/22/06, an ominous cow herd <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding. It's fine the way it > > is. It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for the > > 0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it "unsupported" while > > directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make sense. The > > 0.5 network should be called the stable version and 0.7 should be the > > unstable version, just like it was done in the past. If users ask questions, > > they should be directed to the wiki. Why the big push to get new users on > > the 0.7 network while it's still in the alpha stage? > > > > On Monday 21 August 2006 14:35, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > We don't have a big enough team to actively support both. > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:31:38PM -0700, an ominous cow herd wrote: > > > > I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen > > > > take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users > > > > to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing > > > > Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the "unsupported" version, > > > > and 0.7 as the alpha version still under development. New users would > > > > opt for the stable version. Having new users directed to an alpha version > > > > while the stable version is fully functioning is quite strange. > > > > > > > > On Saturday 19 August 2006 08:11, - wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the beta > > > > > test freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5. > > > > > > > > > > You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to try > > > > > freenet, even version 0.5 which works and is not a beta test. Let's > > > > > think about what would motivate someone... > > > > > > > > > > I remember when I found freenet, I installed it spent hours reading > > > > > over the technical jargon. > > > > > It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of crap > > > > > that does not work. > > > > > > > > > > Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this > > > > > complicated process and after waiting for three days with it on, it > > > > > finally started working. > > > > > > > > > > The reason I spent many hours and went back after throwing it out once, > > > > > was because I was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and content. > > > > > > > > > > Here's the problem: > > > > > > > > > > If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an > > > > > unstable beta test, > > > > > why would anyone new bother to join the community? > > > > > > > > > > Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and computers > > > > > to beta test some random highly technical peer to peer application that > > > > > completely hogs your computer's resources? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user friendly. > > > > > A person who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's actually > > > > > going to work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like myself > > > > > will just get rid of it, not bothering to learn all the configurations, > > > > > frost, fuqid, etc. > > > > > > > > > > If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and > > > > > install program without all the technical jargon, you would double or > > > > > triple your user base. > > > > > > > > > > The only NEW users you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to be > > > > > peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are there > > > > > that don't know about freenet already? > > > > > > > > > > So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would be > > > > > wiser to just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta > > > > > testing, and create a nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 is > > > > > working. Even I would be willing to help create this website, and I'm > > > > > sure many other people also would volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Van > > > > > > > > ___
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
The stable version of WW1 was so much better... On 8/23/06, Ian Clarke wrote: > > On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote: > > You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something about it. > > > Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, and I > think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant experience than > the first world war. > > Ian. > > > *Ian Clarke*: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc.<http://revver.com> > phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060823/8bab0cab/attachment.html>
[freenet-support] Caught a FetchException
Current svn snapshot: Aug 23, 2006 17:08:08:818 (freenet.client.async.SplitFileFetcherSegment, FCP input handler for /127.0.0.1:2580, ERROR): Failing with FetchException:Cancelled:null:-1:null:false:null:null but already started decode FetchException:Cancelled:null:-1:null:false:null:null at freenet.client.async.SplitFileFetcherSegment.cancel(SplitFileFetcherSegment.java:387) at freenet.client.async.SplitFileFetcher.cancel(SplitFileFetcher.java:252) at freenet.client.async.ClientGetter.cancel(ClientGetter.java:135) at freenet.node.fcp.ClientRequest.cancel(ClientRequest.java:179) at freenet.node.fcp.FCPClient.removeByIdentifier(FCPClient.java:162) at freenet.node.fcp.RemovePersistentRequest.run(RemovePersistentRequest.java:37) at freenet.node.fcp.FCPConnectionInputHandler.realRun(FCPConnectionInputHandler.java:84) at freenet.node.fcp.FCPConnectionInputHandler.run(FCPConnectionInputHandler.java:26) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Wrong, it works quite well so it's functional. It's not completed but it needs users to progress.On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:0.7 isn't a stable version either. It's a not nearly completed, farfrom functional version.On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> 0.5 isn't a stable version. It's an outdated version that many people > happen to use. Of course you can keep using 0.5 and slowly watch it> die, or even try to keep it alive. But the freenet team wants you to> populate 0.7 so they can improve it. It's unfortunate that it scares > away a few users too lazy to run 0.7 but they will come back once it's> better and stable.>> On 8/22/06, an ominous cow herd <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:> > I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding. It's fine the way it> > is. It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for the> > 0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it "unsupported" while > > directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make sense. The> > 0.5 network should be called the stable version and 0.7 should be the> > unstable version, just like it was done in the past. If users ask questions, > > they should be directed to the wiki. Why the big push to get new users on> > the 0.7 network while it's still in the alpha stage?> >> > On Monday 21 August 2006 14:35, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > We don't have a big enough team to actively support both.> > >> > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:31:38PM -0700, an ominous cow herd wrote:> > > > I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen > > > > take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users> > > > to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing> > > > Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the "unsupported" version, > > > > and 0.7 as the alpha version still under development. New users would> > > > opt for the stable version. Having new users directed to an alpha version> > > > while the stable version is fully functioning is quite strange. > > > >> > > > On Saturday 19 August 2006 08:11, - wrote:> > > > > Hi,> > > > >> > > > > I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the beta > > > > > test freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5.> > > > >> > > > > You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to try> > > > > freenet, even version 0.5 which works and is not a beta test. Let's> > > > > think about what would motivate someone...> > > > >> > > > > I remember when I found freenet, I installed it spent hours reading > > > > > over the technical jargon.> > > > > It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of crap> > > > > that does not work.> > > > > > > > > > Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this> > > > > complicated process and after waiting for three days with it on, it> > > > > finally started working. > > > > >> > > > > The reason I spent many hours and went back after throwing it out once,> > > > > was because I was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and content. > > > > >> > > > > Here's the problem:> > > > >> > > > > If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an> > > > > unstable beta test, > > > > > why would anyone new bother to join the community?> > > > >> > > > > Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and computers> > > > > to beta test some random highly technical peer to peer application that > > > > > completely hogs your computer's resources?> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user friendly. > > > > > A person who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's actually> > > > > going to work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like myself> > > > > will just get rid of it, not bothering to learn all the configurations, > > > > > frost, fuqid, etc.> > > > >> > > > > If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and> > > > > install program without all the technical jargon, you would double or > > > > > triple your user base.> > > > >> > > > > The only NEW users you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to be> > > > > peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are there > > > > > that don't know about freenet already?> > > > >> > > > > So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would be> > > > > wiser to just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta > > > > > testing, and create a nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 is> > > > > working. Even I would be willing to help create this website, and I'm> > > > > sure many other people also would volunteer. > > > > >> > > > > Best Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Van> > > >> > > > ___ > > > > Support mailing list> > > > Support@freenetproject.org> > > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support> > > > Unsubscribe at> > > > http://emu.freenetproject
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
0.7 isn't a stable version either. It's a not nearly completed, far from functional version. On 8/23/06, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 0.5 isn't a stable version. It's an outdated version that many people happen to use. Of course you can keep using 0.5 and slowly watch it die, or even try to keep it alive. But the freenet team wants you to populate 0.7 so they can improve it. It's unfortunate that it scares away a few users too lazy to run 0.7 but they will come back once it's better and stable. On 8/22/06, an ominous cow herd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding. It's fine the way it > is. It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for the > 0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it "unsupported" while > directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make sense. The > 0.5 network should be called the stable version and 0.7 should be the > unstable version, just like it was done in the past. If users ask questions, > they should be directed to the wiki. Why the big push to get new users on > the 0.7 network while it's still in the alpha stage? > > On Monday 21 August 2006 14:35, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > We don't have a big enough team to actively support both. > > > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:31:38PM -0700, an ominous cow herd wrote: > > > I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen > > > take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users > > > to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing > > > Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the "unsupported" version, > > > and 0.7 as the alpha version still under development. New users would > > > opt for the stable version. Having new users directed to an alpha version > > > while the stable version is fully functioning is quite strange. > > > > > > On Saturday 19 August 2006 08:11, - wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the beta > > > > test freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5. > > > > > > > > You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to try > > > > freenet, even version 0.5 which works and is not a beta test. Let's > > > > think about what would motivate someone... > > > > > > > > I remember when I found freenet, I installed it spent hours reading > > > > over the technical jargon. > > > > It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of crap > > > > that does not work. > > > > > > > > Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this > > > > complicated process and after waiting for three days with it on, it > > > > finally started working. > > > > > > > > The reason I spent many hours and went back after throwing it out once, > > > > was because I was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and content. > > > > > > > > Here's the problem: > > > > > > > > If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an > > > > unstable beta test, > > > > why would anyone new bother to join the community? > > > > > > > > Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and computers > > > > to beta test some random highly technical peer to peer application that > > > > completely hogs your computer's resources? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user friendly. > > > > A person who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's actually > > > > going to work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like myself > > > > will just get rid of it, not bothering to learn all the configurations, > > > > frost, fuqid, etc. > > > > > > > > If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and > > > > install program without all the technical jargon, you would double or > > > > triple your user base. > > > > > > > > The only NEW users you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to be > > > > peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are there > > > > that don't know about freenet already? > > > > > > > > So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would be > > > > wiser to just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta > > > > testing, and create a nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 is > > > > working. Even I would be willing to help create this website, and I'm > > > > sure many other people also would volunteer. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Van > > > > > > ___ > > > Support mailing list > > > Support@freenetproject.org > > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > > Unsubscribe at > > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproj
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
0.5 isn't a stable version. It's an outdated version that many people happen to use. Of course you can keep using 0.5 and slowly watch it die, or even try to keep it alive. But the freenet team wants you to populate 0.7 so they can improve it. It's unfortunate that it scares away a few users too lazy to run 0.7 but they will come back once it's better and stable. On 8/22/06, an ominous cow herd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't think that the 0.5 network needs active coding. It's fine the way it is. It should be stated that there will be no patches or bug fixes for the 0.5 network, but putting it in small print and calling it "unsupported" while directing new users to the alpha 0.7 network just doesn't make sense. The 0.5 network should be called the stable version and 0.7 should be the unstable version, just like it was done in the past. If users ask questions, they should be directed to the wiki. Why the big push to get new users on the 0.7 network while it's still in the alpha stage? On Monday 21 August 2006 14:35, Matthew Toseland wrote: > We don't have a big enough team to actively support both. > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 11:31:38PM -0700, an ominous cow herd wrote: > > I can empathize. Freenet is is one of the first projects that I've seen > > take a working application and push it aside, while directing new users > > to an alpha version. The way it would normally be done is listing > > Freenet 0.5 as the stable version instead of the "unsupported" version, > > and 0.7 as the alpha version still under development. New users would > > opt for the stable version. Having new users directed to an alpha version > > while the stable version is fully functioning is quite strange. > > > > On Saturday 19 August 2006 08:11, - wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I think you're making a mistake in forcing new people into the beta > > > test freenet 0.7 instead of the established 0.5. > > > > > > You're forgetting how _highly_ someone new has to be motivated to try > > > freenet, even version 0.5 which works and is not a beta test. Let's > > > think about what would motivate someone... > > > > > > I remember when I found freenet, I installed it spent hours reading > > > over the technical jargon. > > > It was incredible slow. I removed it thinking this is a pile of crap > > > that does not work. > > > > > > Only a few months later, did I again bother to go through this > > > complicated process and after waiting for three days with it on, it > > > finally started working. > > > > > > The reason I spent many hours and went back after throwing it out once, > > > was because I was _highly motivated_ for the anonymity and content. > > > > > > Here's the problem: > > > > > > If 0.7 doesn't offer the anonymity and the content, plus it's an > > > unstable beta test, > > > why would anyone new bother to join the community? > > > > > > Do you think people are nice enough to offer their time and computers > > > to beta test some random highly technical peer to peer application that > > > completely hogs your computer's resources? > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem with freenet (even 0.5) is, it just isn't user friendly. > > > A person who just stumbles on freenet does not know if it's actually > > > going to work. After seeing how slow it is, most people, like myself > > > will just get rid of it, not bothering to learn all the configurations, > > > frost, fuqid, etc. > > > > > > If you took the time to create a simple, down-to-earth website and > > > install program without all the technical jargon, you would double or > > > triple your user base. > > > > > > The only NEW users you're going to get to freenet 0.7 are going to be > > > peer-to-peer programming enthusiasts. And how many of those are there > > > that don't know about freenet already? > > > > > > So instead of scaring all potential freenet users away, It would be > > > wiser to just ask members of the freenet community to do the beta > > > testing, and create a nice user friendly website for 0,5 until 0,7 is > > > working. Even I would be willing to help create this website, and I'm > > > sure many other people also would volunteer. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Van > > > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > Support@freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Why bother even anonymizing your emails if you insist on running an unsupported (and therefore seriously insecure) operating system? On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:03:55PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Winston Smith > Project Dantooine mixminion server at Dantooine.winstonsmith.info. If > you do not want to receive anonymous messages, please contact pbox- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more information about anonymity, see > https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws or > https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it. > > -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > Message-type: plaintext > > In Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote: > >> You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something > >> about it. > > > >Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, > >and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant > >experience than the first world war. > > > > I will be glad to try it out, once it can be used in win98 > -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Please foreward a copy of the unstable version of WW1. Thank you. - Original Message - From: Ortwin Regel To: support@freenetproject.org Sent: 8/23/2006 1:39:36 PM Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 The stable version of WW1 was so much better... On 8/23/06, Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote: You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something about it. Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant experience than the first world war. Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog ___Support mailing listSupport@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ?subject=unsubscribe___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100. On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. > Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 > connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and > probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. > > > On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > >I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 > >vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about > >OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping > >to > >find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains > >information about 0.7. > > > >I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > >bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got > >it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet > >user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a > >connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection > >to > >someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running > >Freenet > >I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could > >connect > >to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have > >no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. > >For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, > >the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, > >FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track > >messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I > >tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to > >Freent > >fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. > > > >I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 > >nodes, > >none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, > >the > >last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they > >come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new > >nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get > >people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to > >spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going > >to have to make sure it stays connected. > > > >Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on > >IRC > >chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection > >to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to > >automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is > >made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I > >should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections > >throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected > >to > >and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > > >I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll > >leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide > >whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. > > > >_ > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > >___ > >Support mailing list > >Support at freenetproject.org > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >Unsubscribe at > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > -- > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";> border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060823/3c4f8295/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] Logs
Yes it will work, however it only works for old logs i.e. gzipped logs; it doesn't limit the size of either a single gzipped logfile, or the uncompressed freenet-latest etc logs. On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 12:09:17PM +0200, freenetwork at web.de wrote: > try to avoid setting the log level to DEBUG or MINOR.. that's insane - no > wonder your logs are that big :D > > then again i suppose "Maximum disk space used by old logs" should work > nevetheless if i understand it's purpose correctly... > > > > --Original Message Text--- > From: Stefan Gr?nberg > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:39:39 +0200 > > > > freenetwork at web.de wrote: try setting the log level from NORMAL to ERROR. > > > its at minor atm since i got tons of problems daily with my node. > also... why are your logs this big? o_O > > > same as above id guess, i get perhaps 5-15gig logs a day or something > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:09:09 +0200, Stefan Gr??nberg wrote: > > is there any way to limit the log size so i dont keep getting 1 gig logs > all the time? > > ive set max 100k lines in ram, 10M in ram > and 50M Maximum disk space used by old logs > still getting several hunderes meg sized logs > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060823/cecde4c7/attachment.pgp>
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
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Re: [freenet-support] System error 1067
Please try again, nextgens has changed something in the installer that might help. On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 10:12:20PM +0100, simon gallienne wrote: > Hi there. > > I am new to this so please bear with me. > > I am trying to install Freenet and find I am unable to connect to it. It > appears to have not installed properly and was wondering if I could get some > advice on what to do to be able to install it correctly or if it is how to > fix the error listed below: > > > "Registering .fref file extention" > "Setting up plugins" > A subdirectory or file plugins already exists. > "Detecting tcp port abiability" > "Downloading update.cmd" > "Downloading freenet-ext.jar" > "Downloading freenet-stable-latest.jar" > "Installing the wrapper" > "Registering Freenet as a system service" > wrapper | CreateService failed - The specified service already exists. > (0x431) > The Freenet 0.7 darknet service is starting.. > The Freenet 0.7 darknet service could not be started. > > A system error has occurred. > > System error 1067 has occurred. > > The process terminated unexpectedly. > > "Waiting for freenet to startup" > "Spawing up a browser" > "Downloading jSite" > "Downloading Thaw" > "Downloading Frost" > "Setting Frost up" > "Finished" > > > Many thanks in advance. > > > - > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! > Security Centre. > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
On 8/23/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. > Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 > connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and > probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. The problem with this is that it's very cheap and easy to infiltrate such a network compared to the darknet aproach that 0.7 is taking. It's just a matter of having enough bandwidth, and a slightly modified freenetnode and you can pretend to be a lot of nodes(or you could just run a lot of nodes) and get connected all over the network and start snooping on stuff. Then a bunch of CPU time to crack the encryption used. Very easy to automate and very cheap compared to what you have to do to do the same on a darknet. On a darknet you have to use social engineering to trick members to letting you in, and that mean you also have to find a member first if they have a small network by themselves instead of using the main network. > > > On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 > > vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about > > OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to > > find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains > > information about 0.7. > > > > I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > > bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got > > it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet > > user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a > > connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to > > someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet > > I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect > > to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have > > no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. > > For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, > > the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, > > FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track > > messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I > > tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent > > fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. > > > > I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, > > none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the > > last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they > > come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new > > nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get > > people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to > > spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going > > to have to make sure it stays connected. > > > > Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC > > chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection > > to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to > > automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is > > made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I > > should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections > > throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to > > and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > > > I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll > > leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide > > whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. > > > > _ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > Support at freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > -- > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";> border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mai
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
My bad. 400 known nodes. Though...I have 50 connections right now and I'm not doing anything. Not running frost, not surving any sites...all inbound I guess. On 8/23/06, Matthew Toseland wrote: > 400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100. > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > > With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. > > Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 > > connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and > > probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. > > > > > > On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > >I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 > > >vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about > > >OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping > > >to > > >find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains > > >information about 0.7. > > > > > >I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > > >bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got > > >it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet > > >user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a > > >connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection > > >to > > >someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running > > >Freenet > > >I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could > > >connect > > >to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have > > >no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. > > >For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, > > >the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, > > >FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track > > >messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I > > >tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to > > >Freent > > >fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. > > > > > >I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 > > >nodes, > > >none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, > > >the > > >last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they > > >come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new > > >nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get > > >people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to > > >spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going > > >to have to make sure it stays connected. > > > > > >Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on > > >IRC > > >chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection > > >to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to > > >automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is > > >made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I > > >should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections > > >throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected > > >to > > >and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > > > > >I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll > > >leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide > > >whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. > > > > > >_ > > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > >___ > > >Support mailing list > > >Support at freenetproject.org > > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > >Unsubscribe at > > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";> > border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > Support at freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > -- > Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE
[freenet-support] System error 1067
Hi there.I am new to this so please bear with me.I am trying to install Freenet and find I am unable to connect to it. It appears to have not installed properly and was wondering if I could get some advice on what to do to be able to install it correctly or if it is how to fix the error listed below:"Registering .fref file extention""Setting up plugins"A subdirectory or file plugins already exists."Detecting tcp port abiability""Downloading update.cmd""Downloading freenet-ext.jar""Downloading freenet-stable-latest.jar""Installing the wrapper""Registering Freenet as a system service"wrapper | CreateService failed - The specified service already exists. (0x431)The Freenet 0.7 darknet service is starting..The Freenet 0.7 darknet service could not be started.A system error has occurred.System error 1067 has occurred.The process terminated unexpectedly."Waiting for freenet to startup""Spawing up a browser""Downloading jSite""Downloading Thaw""Downloading Frost""Setting Frost up""Finished"Many thanks in advance. To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains information about 0.7. I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays connected. Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to and am simply a node in a collective whole. I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 953
Freenet 0.7 build 953 is now available. It should be deployed through the auto-updater very soon, and it is already downloadable through the update scripts. Please upgrade. Changelogs: 953: - Probably fix insert resuming (again!!) - Turn off aggressiveGC for now - Restart non-global persistent requests on startup - Large-file related fproxy fixes - Logging 952: - Swapping algo was slightly suboptimal, fix it. 951: - Fix a common cause of the node hanging and restarting. - Insert resuming changes; send PutFetchable when the data is fetchable; don't insert the top level (e.g. the USK) until the splitfile is fetchable. - Very minor change to shouldRejectRequest() (pre-emptive request rejection) - Use the content filter code when downloading data from temp space - Spelling/style/visual fixes - Show average bandwidth usage - myref.txt becomes myref.fref (.fref files will be auto-added when double clicked on windows) - Changes to N2NTMs from Zothar: Queued until a peer connects, can be sent to multiple peers at once. - Per-peer private note updatable without advancedEnabled - Don't start the updater if the wrapper is broken - Trim string config values -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Logs
try to avoid setting the log level to DEBUG or MINOR.. that's insane - no wonder your logs are that big :D then again i suppose "Maximum disk space used by old logs" should work nevetheless if i understand it's purpose correctly... --Original Message Text--- From: Stefan Gr?nberg Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:39:39 +0200 freenetwork at web.de wrote: try setting the log level from NORMAL to ERROR. its at minor atm since i got tons of problems daily with my node. also... why are your logs this big? o_O same as above id guess, i get perhaps 5-15gig logs a day or something On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:09:09 +0200, Stefan Gr??nberg wrote: is there any way to limit the log size so i dont keep getting 1 gig logs all the time? ive set max 100k lines in ram, 10M in ram and 50M Maximum disk space used by old logs still getting several hunderes meg sized logs ___ Support mailing list Support at freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support at freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060823/670269ee/attachment.html>
[freenet-support] Logs
freenetwork at web.de wrote: > try setting the log level from NORMAL to ERROR. > > its at minor atm since i got tons of problems daily with my node. > also... why are your logs this big? o_O > > same as above id guess, i get perhaps 5-15gig logs a day or something > On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:09:09 +0200, Stefan Gr??nberg wrote: > > >> is there any way to limit the log size so i dont keep getting 1 gig logs >> all the time? >> >> ive set max 100k lines in ram, 10M in ram >> and 50M Maximum disk space used by old logs >> still getting several hunderes meg sized logs >> ___ >> Support mailing list >> Support at freenetproject.org >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >> Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >> Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >> > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060823/36bc8cdf/attachment.html>
[freenet-support] Logs
try setting the log level from NORMAL to ERROR. also... why are your logs this big? o_O On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:09:09 +0200, Stefan Gr??nberg wrote: >is there any way to limit the log size so i dont keep getting 1 gig logs >all the time? > >ive set max 100k lines in ram, 10M in ram >and 50M Maximum disk space used by old logs >still getting several hunderes meg sized logs >___ >Support mailing list >Support at freenetproject.org >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
My bad. 400 known nodes. Though...I have 50 connections right now and I'm not doing anything. Not running frost, not surving any sites...all inbound I guess. On 8/23/06, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100. On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. > Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 > connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and > probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. > > > On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 > >vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about > >OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping > >to > >find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains > >information about 0.7. > > > >I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > >bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got > >it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet > >user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a > >connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection > >to > >someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running > >Freenet > >I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could > >connect > >to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have > >no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. > >For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, > >the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, > >FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track > >messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I > >tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to > >Freent > >fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. > > > >I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 > >nodes, > >none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, > >the > >last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they > >come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new > >nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get > >people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to > >spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going > >to have to make sure it stays connected. > > > >Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on > >IRC > >chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection > >to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to > >automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is > >made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I > >should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections > >throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected > >to > >and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > > >I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll > >leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide > >whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. > > > >_ > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > >___ > >Support mailing list > >Support@freenetproject.org > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >Unsubscribe at > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";> border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFE7HoBOHFIJVywduQRAmRbAKCSNcmGVOcoaivvlY5Mu9ZC7BxRzQCgizWM SeiHFBNK72w0S3ikj20vkps= =DFYC -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.o
[freenet-support] Logs
is there any way to limit the log size so i dont keep getting 1 gig logs all the time? ive set max 100k lines in ram, 10M in ram and 50M Maximum disk space used by old logs still getting several hunderes meg sized logs
[freenet-support] datastores
Which datastores can i delete so my inserts still can resume at what ever % they are at current state?
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
The stable version of WW1 was so much better...On 8/23/06, Ian Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote:You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something about it. Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant experience than the first world war. Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog ___Support mailing listSupport@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Caught a FetchException
Current svn snapshot: Aug 23, 2006 17:08:08:818 (freenet.client.async.SplitFileFetcherSegment, FCP input handler for /127.0.0.1:2580, ERROR): Failing with FetchException:Cancelled:null:-1:null:false:null:null but already started decode FetchException:Cancelled:null:-1:null:false:null:null at freenet.client.async.SplitFileFetcherSegment.cancel(SplitFileFetcherSegment.java:387) at freenet.client.async.SplitFileFetcher.cancel(SplitFileFetcher.java:252) at freenet.client.async.ClientGetter.cancel(ClientGetter.java:135) at freenet.node.fcp.ClientRequest.cancel(ClientRequest.java:179) at freenet.node.fcp.FCPClient.removeByIdentifier(FCPClient.java:162) at freenet.node.fcp.RemovePersistentRequest.run(RemovePersistentRequest.java:37) at freenet.node.fcp.FCPConnectionInputHandler.realRun(FCPConnectionInputHandler.java:84) at freenet.node.fcp.FCPConnectionInputHandler.run(FCPConnectionInputHandler.java:26) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619) ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 > vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about > OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to > find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains > information about 0.7. > > I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got > it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet > user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a > connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to > someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet > I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect > to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have > no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. > For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, > the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, > FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track > messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I > tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent > fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. > > I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, > none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the > last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they > come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new > nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get > people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to > spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going > to have to make sure it stays connected. > > Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC > chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection > to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to > automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is > made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I > should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections > throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to > and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll > leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide > whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. > > _ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/>
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100. On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. > Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 > connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and > probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. > > > On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 > >vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about > >OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping > >to > >find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains > >information about 0.7. > > > >I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > >bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got > >it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet > >user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a > >connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection > >to > >someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running > >Freenet > >I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could > >connect > >to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have > >no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. > >For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, > >the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, > >FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track > >messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I > >tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to > >Freent > >fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. > > > >I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 > >nodes, > >none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, > >the > >last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they > >come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new > >nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get > >people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to > >spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going > >to have to make sure it stays connected. > > > >Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on > >IRC > >chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection > >to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to > >automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is > >made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I > >should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections > >throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected > >to > >and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > > >I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll > >leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide > >whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. > > > >_ > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > >___ > >Support mailing list > >Support@freenetproject.org > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >Unsubscribe at > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";> border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Logs
Yes it will work, however it only works for old logs i.e. gzipped logs; it doesn't limit the size of either a single gzipped logfile, or the uncompressed freenet-latest etc logs. On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 12:09:17PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > try to avoid setting the log level to DEBUG or MINOR.. that's insane - no > wonder your logs are that big :D > > then again i suppose "Maximum disk space used by old logs" should work > nevetheless if i understand it's purpose correctly... > > > > --Original Message Text--- > From: Stefan Grönberg > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:39:39 +0200 > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try setting the log level from NORMAL to ERROR. > > > its at minor atm since i got tons of problems daily with my node. > also... why are your logs this big? o_O > > > same as above id guess, i get perhaps 5-15gig logs a day or something > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:09:09 +0200, Stefan Grönberg wrote: > > is there any way to limit the log size so i dont keep getting 1 gig logs > all the time? > > ive set max 100k lines in ram, 10M in ram > and 50M Maximum disk space used by old logs > still getting several hunderes meg sized logs > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. The problem with this is that it's very cheap and easy to infiltrate such a network compared to the darknet aproach that 0.7 is taking. It's just a matter of having enough bandwidth, and a slightly modified freenetnode and you can pretend to be a lot of nodes(or you could just run a lot of nodes) and get connected all over the network and start snooping on stuff. Then a bunch of CPU time to crack the encryption used. Very easy to automate and very cheap compared to what you have to do to do the same on a darknet. On a darknet you have to use social engineering to trick members to letting you in, and that mean you also have to find a member first if they have a small network by themselves instead of using the main network. On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 > vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about > OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to > find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains > information about 0.7. > > I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got > it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet > user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a > connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to > someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet > I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect > to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have > no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. > For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, > the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, > FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track > messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I > tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent > fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. > > I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, > none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the > last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they > come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new > nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get > people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to > spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going > to have to make sure it stays connected. > > Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC > chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection > to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to > automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is > made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I > should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections > throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to > and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll > leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide > whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. > > _ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains information about 0.7. I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays connected. Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to and am simply a node in a collective whole. I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=0&t=57";>http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains information about 0.7. I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays connected. Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to and am simply a node in a collective whole. I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Logs
try to avoid setting the log level to DEBUG or MINOR.. that's insane - no wonder your logs are that big :D then again i suppose "Maximum disk space used by old logs" should work nevetheless if i understand it's purpose correctly... --Original Message Text--- From: Stefan Grönberg Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:39:39 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try setting the log level from NORMAL to ERROR. its at minor atm since i got tons of problems daily with my node. also... why are your logs this big? o_O same as above id guess, i get perhaps 5-15gig logs a day or something On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:09:09 +0200, Stefan Grönberg wrote: is there any way to limit the log size so i dont keep getting 1 gig logs all the time? ive set max 100k lines in ram, 10M in ram and 50M Maximum disk space used by old logs still getting several hunderes meg sized logs ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Logs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try setting the log level from NORMAL to ERROR. its at minor atm since i got tons of problems daily with my node. also... why are your logs this big? o_O same as above id guess, i get perhaps 5-15gig logs a day or something On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:09:09 +0200, Stefan Grönberg wrote: is there any way to limit the log size so i dont keep getting 1 gig logs all the time? ive set max 100k lines in ram, 10M in ram and 50M Maximum disk space used by old logs still getting several hunderes meg sized logs ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Logs
try setting the log level from NORMAL to ERROR. also... why are your logs this big? o_O On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:09:09 +0200, Stefan Grönberg wrote: >is there any way to limit the log size so i dont keep getting 1 gig logs >all the time? > >ive set max 100k lines in ram, 10M in ram >and 50M Maximum disk space used by old logs >still getting several hunderes meg sized logs >___ >Support mailing list >Support@freenetproject.org >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Logs
is there any way to limit the log size so i dont keep getting 1 gig logs all the time? ive set max 100k lines in ram, 10M in ram and 50M Maximum disk space used by old logs still getting several hunderes meg sized logs ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] datastores
Which datastores can i delete so my inserts still can resume at what ever % they are at current state? ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote:You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something about it.Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant experience than the first world war.Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 22 Aug 2006, at 20:37, an ominous cow herd wrote: > You never experienced World War I, but I bet you know something > about it. Yes, but I wouldn't lecture those who had actually experienced it, and I think you will find Freenet 0.7 a somewhat more pleasant experience than the first world war. Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060823/1febd9c0/attachment.html>
