Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-14 Thread Bill Marquette
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:43 AM, Bill Marquette wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Sean Cavanaugh > wrote: >> Bill >> >> he USED to have 2 bonded T1's but they reduced to a single T1 connection to >> save money. >> >> -Sean > > Yes, I'm referring to the old circuit intentionally.  I didn't

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-14 Thread Bill Marquette
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Sean Cavanaugh wrote: > Bill > > he USED to have 2 bonded T1's but they reduced to a single T1 connection to > save money. > > -Sean Yes, I'm referring to the old circuit intentionally. I didn't get bonded out of "The current connection is 3Mbit/3Mbit, works", he

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-14 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
Bill he USED to have 2 bonded T1's but they reduced to a single T1 connection to save money. -Sean EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD Join me > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:09:33 -0500 > From: bill.marque...@gmail.com > To: support@pfsense.com > Subject: Re: [pfSense Support]

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-14 Thread Bill Marquette
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Scott Ullrich wrote: > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chris Buechler wrote: >> Slowing down considerably when under full load is normal, slowing to >> the point that sites don't load anymore when you're just running a few >> Windows updates is definitely not.

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-14 Thread Paul Mansfield
Chuck Mariotti wrote: > Thanks… I am going to follow up with AllStream. The bytes/sec are the > Max and Average. I think their reporting system is broken. RRD reported > 1.5Mb/s, it was just a table top sitting there until we cancelled the > windows updates. Then it dropped right back down. have

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
[mailto:jol...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:39 PM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? > WHY would you want to shape your downstream channel? that kind of defeats the > purpose of having the bandwidth th

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread David Rees
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Chris Buechler wrote: > Slowing down considerably when under full load is normal, slowing to > the point that sites don't load anymore when you're just running a few > Windows updates is definitely not. Sounds like there's something wrong > with the T1, or the CPE

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Jeppe Øland
> WHY would you want to shape your downstream channel? that kind of defeats the purpose of having the bandwidth there in the firstplace. For example if you have a fast connection to a building, and it is being shared between tenants. Without restricting the downstream, user A can severely impact th

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
Sorry, those pairs are Max / Average number to clarify. -Original Message- From: Chuck Mariotti [mailto:cmario...@xunity.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:31 PM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? Great

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
WHY would you want to shape your downstream channel? that kind of defeats the purpose of having the bandwidth there in the firstplace. -Sean Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:21:39 -0700 From: jol...@gmail.com To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
t: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Chuck Mariotti wrote: > To clarify further... > > In this situation, we are downgrading to a T1 (1.5Mbit/1.5Mbit) connection > from a new service provider. The curr

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Jeppe Øland
> It should just get slower and divide the bandwidth evenly since there are> no rules to shape it. Thats basically what should happen. Of course things get all out of whack when the connection isn't symmetric (like most consumer connections). On those, you will see severe degradation in speed on t

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
> Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:57:32 -0600 > From: aoz@gmail.com > To: support@pfsense.com > Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the > connection... ?? > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 09:53, Chuck Mariotti wrote: > > I used cheapo

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Scott Ullrich
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Chris Buechler wrote: > Slowing down considerably when under full load is normal, slowing to > the point that sites don't load anymore when you're just running a few > Windows updates is definitely not. Sounds like there's something wrong > with the T1, or the CPE

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread RB
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 09:53, Chuck Mariotti wrote: > I used cheapo DLink 10/100 Network cards to build the server. But I'm > doubting that would be the cause. The only other oddity is that I threw a > little DLink 8 Port Gigabit Switch between the router and firewall, simply > because I didn'

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chris Buechler
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Chuck Mariotti wrote: > To clarify further... > > In this situation, we are downgrading to a T1 (1.5Mbit/1.5Mbit) connection > from a new service provider. The current connection is 3Mbit/3Mbit, works, > but is insanely expensive (way more than twice the price).

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
Riglin [mailto:michael.rig...@shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 11:32 AM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? Normally, the packages sent out from the Windows Update service are quite small in size and the BITS service

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Michael Riglin
ssues here, and only testing and verification will the root cause to light. -Original Message- From: Chuck Mariotti [mailto:cmario...@xunity.com] Sent: May-13-09 8:20 AM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
Øland [mailto:jol...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:28 AM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? During this new firewall installation, someone decided to run Windows Updates on a four computers. Previously

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
upport@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? put in a big squid proxy with a large disk cache, and or set up windows clients to auto-download updates during the night so at least congestion happens outside critical times if you're

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
, 13 May 2009 03:43:31 -0400 Subject: RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? It did not happen with the other connection. But the previous firewall didn’t allow me to look at nice graphs and see it maxing out, etc… It just worked. It

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Rainer Duffner
Rob Pickerill schrieb: > havent been following this one, so dont know if its been mentioned > before, but have you looked at WSUS? > > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/wsus/default.aspx > > let that collect the updates - preferably overnight - and distribute > them to your workstations/servers >

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Rob Pickerill
havent been following this one, so dont know if its been mentioned before, but have you looked at WSUS? http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/wsus/default.aspx let that collect the updates - preferably overnight - and distribute them to your workstations/servers 2009/5/13 Paul Mansfield > put in

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Paul Mansfield
put in a big squid proxy with a large disk cache, and or set up windows clients to auto-download updates during the night so at least congestion happens outside critical times if you're using managed switches, can you throttle back individual ports? otherwise, traffic shaping may be your friend

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Victor Padro
ing the same > sites (except in this exception of windows update). > > Regards, > ChuckM > > > > -Original Message- > From: Glenn Kelley [mailto:gl...@typo3usa.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:58 AM > To: support@pfsense.com > Subject: Re: [pfSense Suppo

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
: Glenn Kelley [mailto:gl...@typo3usa.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 2:58 AM To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? I would suggest placing in a bandwidth shaper. There are some open source alternatives out there - just

RE: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Chuck Mariotti
To: support@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ?? During this new firewall installation, someone decided to run Windows Updates on a four computers. Previously, this would not have choked the network, but with the new firewall

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-13 Thread Jeppe Øland
> > During this new firewall installation, someone decided to run Windows > Updates on a four computers. Previously, this would not have choked the > network, but with the new firewall (and new T1), it is choking it. Choking > it dead. The four machines appear to contend for connectivity but after

Re: [pfSense Support] RE: T1 Saturating - Windows update kills the connection... ??

2009-05-12 Thread Glenn Kelley
I would suggest placing in a bandwidth shaper. There are some open source alternatives out there - just do some research as to what will fit best for you - ie - do you know freebsd / linux / or stuck in windows ? I would suggest the shaping to be done per protocol. You may also want to place