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2010-01-12 Thread Michael Gordon
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: YMMV, but in any case, if we would not have moved to it, SeaMonkey would be dead by now. Why ? The Gecko 1.8 branch was abandoned by the Mozilla Core devs a long, long time ago. Only security and

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-12 Thread S. Beaulieu
Michael Gordon a écrit : SM 2.x trashed my address books, pass words, forms, and all of the extensions I used for creating and testing we pages. For the extensions, fair enough: not all of them are compatible (yet). And much have been said about doing away with the much loved form manager.

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-12 Thread Philip Chee
On Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:56:20 -0600, Michael Gordon wrote: I have waited several months to see the improvements in SM 2.x, but all I saw was a severely broken product. SM 2.x trashed my address books, pass words, forms, and all of the extensions I used for creating and testing we pages.

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-11 Thread Phillip Jones
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:07:33 -0500, Phillip Jones wrote: Philip Chee wrote: Fortunately now that we have made the big move from the old XPFE backend to the new toolkit, subsequent upgrades won't be as traumatic. If things work out upgrades will be as seamless as Firefox

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Ray_Net
Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: YMMV, but in any case, if we would not have moved to it, SeaMonkey would be dead by now. Why ? The Gecko 1.8 branch was abandoned by the Mozilla Core devs a long, long time ago. Only security and

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Ray_Net
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/: Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and change again the versions this looks like Linux people compiling the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer to use a

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Phillip Jones
Ray_Net wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/: Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and change again the versions this looks like Linux people compiling the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Phillip Jones
Martin Freitag wrote: Philip Chee schrieb: On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ? Unfortunately we may be forced to do that as well. Chrome seems to have lit a fire under the Firefox devs and they plan to abandon the 3.5 (Gecko

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Phillip Jones
John Doue wrote: On 1/10/2010 12:13 PM, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/: Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and change again the versions this looks like Linux people compiling the kernel each month ... may be not

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Philip Chee
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and change again the versions this looks like Linux people compiling the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer to use a product instead

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Philip Chee
On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Martin Freitag wrote: Philip Chee schrieb: On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ? Unfortunately we may be forced to do that as well. Chrome seems to have lit a fire under the Firefox devs and

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Robert Kaiser
Philip Chee schrieb: The ability to import/migrate *some* data (I think global history) from 1.x profiles will be lost in 1.9.2. Download history actually. From all I know, global history will work for a longer time. Robert Kaiser ___

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Phillip Jones
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and change again the versions this looks like Linux people compiling the kernel each month ... may be not this frequency, however we prefer to use a

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Rufus
Phillip Jones wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, /Ray_Net/: Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and change again the versions this looks like Linux people compiling the kernel each month ... may be not this

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2010-01-10 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 10/1/2010 16:07, Phillip Jones told the world: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and change again the versions this looks like Linux people compiling the kernel

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-10 Thread Phillip Jones
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 10/1/2010 16:07, Phillip Jones told the world: Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:41:01 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: Thanks for this clear answer ... But we don't like to chenge, change and change again the versions this looks like Linux people

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-09 Thread Robert Kaiser
Graham schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: All cases where you get a list on double-click on the field are the same cases that show a selection when starting to type. Password (and user name) fields also get automatically filled in if you only have exactly one username/password saved for that

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-09 Thread Ray_Net
Robert Kaiser wrote: YMMV, but in any case, if we would not have moved to it, SeaMonkey would be dead by now. Why ? You will say the same after switching to SM 2.1 ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-09 Thread Philip Chee
On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:16:19 +0100, Ray_Net wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: YMMV, but in any case, if we would not have moved to it, SeaMonkey would be dead by now. Why ? The Gecko 1.8 branch was abandoned by the Mozilla Core devs a long, long time ago. Only security and stability patches

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
Graham schrieb: Robert Kaiser wrote: Could you define the actual problem you're having and what's not decent in SM2 for that matter? My personal beef with SM2's forms and password handling is that it is entirely unpredictable. On a few sites, things are automatically filled in. On some, a

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-08 Thread Graham
Robert Kaiser wrote: All cases where you get a list on double-click on the field are the same cases that show a selection when starting to type. Password (and user name) fields also get automatically filled in if you only have exactly one username/password saved for that website. Once you know

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-07 Thread JohnW-Mpls
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:28:47 -0800, Rufus n...@home.com wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: In Dec I went back to 1.18 because my XP had a half dozen BSODs since I installed 2.0 in late Oct. I have not had a BSOD since returning to 1.18. Someone suggested running Ramtest incase the BSODs were caused

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-07 Thread JohnW-Mpls
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:39:20 -0600, Jay Garcia j...@jaynospamgarcia.com wrote: On 06.01.2010 07:13, JohnW-Mpls wrote: --- Original Message --- In Dec I went back to 1.18 because my XP had a half dozen BSODs since I installed 2.0 in late Oct. I have not had a BSOD since returning to 1.18

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-07 Thread JohnW-Mpls
On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:35:40 +0100, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I debated going back to SM 2.0 now but I'm spoiled by 1.18's much simpler handling of passwords for apps that require them. Question: is SM 2 going to be modified to handle passwords decently? And if

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-07 Thread Paul
JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 07:39:20 -0600, Jay Garcia j...@jaynospamgarcia.com wrote: On 06.01.2010 07:13, JohnW-Mpls wrote: --- Original Message --- In Dec I went back to 1.18 because my XP had a half dozen BSODs since I installed 2.0 in late Oct. I have not had a BSOD since

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-07 Thread Phillip Jones
JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:35:40 +0100, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I debated going back to SM 2.0 now but I'm spoiled by 1.18's much simpler handling of passwords for apps that require them. Question: is SM 2 going to be modified to handle passwords

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-07 Thread Graham
Robert Kaiser wrote: Could you define the actual problem you're having and what's not decent in SM2 for that matter? My personal beef with SM2's forms and password handling is that it is entirely unpredictable. On a few sites, things are automatically filled in. On some, a double click in a

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-07 Thread Rufus
JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:28:47 -0800, Rufusn...@home.com wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: In Dec I went back to 1.18 because my XP had a half dozen BSODs since I installed 2.0 in late Oct. I have not had a BSOD since returning to 1.18. Someone suggested running Ramtest incase

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-07 Thread Rufus
Graham wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: Could you define the actual problem you're having and what's not decent in SM2 for that matter? My personal beef with SM2's forms and password handling is that it is entirely unpredictable. On a few sites, things are automatically filled in. On some, a

Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-06 Thread JohnW-Mpls
In Dec I went back to 1.18 because my XP had a half dozen BSODs since I installed 2.0 in late Oct. I have not had a BSOD since returning to 1.18. Someone suggested running Ramtest incase the BSODs were caused by some RAM weakness. I did that - no ram errors. However, when removing

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-06 Thread Jay Garcia
On 06.01.2010 07:13, JohnW-Mpls wrote: --- Original Message --- In Dec I went back to 1.18 because my XP had a half dozen BSODs since I installed 2.0 in late Oct. I have not had a BSOD since returning to 1.18. Someone suggested running Ramtest incase the BSODs were caused by some RAM

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-06 Thread Robert Kaiser
JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I debated going back to SM 2.0 now but I'm spoiled by 1.18's much simpler handling of passwords for apps that require them. Question: is SM 2 going to be modified to handle passwords decently? And if so, about when might that change be expected? Could you define the

Re: Back to 1.18 - More

2010-01-06 Thread Rufus
JohnW-Mpls wrote: In Dec I went back to 1.18 because my XP had a half dozen BSODs since I installed 2.0 in late Oct. I have not had a BSOD since returning to 1.18. Someone suggested running Ramtest incase the BSODs were caused by some RAM weakness. I did that - no ram errors. However, when

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-28 Thread Jay Garcia
On 27.12.2009 23:55, Ken Rudolph wrote: --- Original Message --- I have to say that last week I experienced the identical BSOD to the above while running SM 2.0.1. It's one of the only times in 28 years of running DOS and Windows on 11 different computers that this has happened. It hasn't

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-28 Thread John
Jay Garcia wrote: On 27.12.2009 23:55, Ken Rudolph wrote: --- Original Message --- I have to say that last week I experienced the identical BSOD to the above while running SM 2.0.1. It's one of the only times in 28 years of running DOS and Windows on 11 different computers that this has

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-28 Thread chicagofan
John wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 27.12.2009 23:55, Ken Rudolph wrote: --- Original Message --- I have to say that last week I experienced the identical BSOD to the above while running SM 2.0.1. It's one of the only times in 28 years of running DOS and Windows on 11 different computers that

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-28 Thread nobodyhere
In qi6dnwi9a_tfaaxwnz2dnuvz_i1i4...@mozilla.org, on 12/28/09 at 01:11 PM, chicagofan m...@privacy.net said: And of course MS-DOS IBM PC Compatible was released in 1981 but didn't produce any BSOD's that I can remember. And in fact I still have a NEW copy of MS-DOS first release in a sealed

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-28 Thread JohnW-Mpls
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:22:55 -0600, John jmcken...@cableone.net wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: I switched back from 2.01 because it MAY have been the culprit that caused my system to crash 6 times in the last 2 months (after I moved to 2.0). Crashes were immediate appearance of a full blue screen

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-28 Thread Ron Hunter
On 12/28/2009 10:07 AM, Jay Garcia wrote: On 27.12.2009 23:55, Ken Rudolph wrote: --- Original Message --- I have to say that last week I experienced the identical BSOD to the above while running SM 2.0.1. It's one of the only times in 28 years of running DOS and Windows on 11 different

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-28 Thread Leonidas Jones
JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:22:55 -0600, Johnjmcken...@cableone.net wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: /snip/ you should be able to look at event viewer and find out what caused the problems--look for Red X's What/where is Event Viewer? Hard to iimagine anything would be avaiilable

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-28 Thread Chris Ilias
On 09-12-28 11:07 AM, Jay Garcia wrote: Followup set to .general Just a note to anyone replying to Jay's post: Jay put mozilla.general in the newsgroups header, not the followup-to header, so your replies will still show up in mozilla.support.seamonkey. If you reply, make sure you remove

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-28 Thread John
JohnW-Mpls wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:22:55 -0600, John jmcken...@cableone.net wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: I switched back from 2.01 because it MAY have been the culprit that caused my system to crash 6 times in the last 2 months (after I moved to 2.0). Crashes were immediate appearance of a

Back to 1.18

2009-12-27 Thread JohnW-Mpls
I switched back from 2.01 because it MAY have been the culprit that caused my system to crash 6 times in the last 2 months (after I moved to 2.0). Crashes were immediate appearance of a full blue screen with white text stating memory had been dumped and a cold boot is required - bad!! I've not

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-27 Thread John
JohnW-Mpls wrote: I switched back from 2.01 because it MAY have been the culprit that caused my system to crash 6 times in the last 2 months (after I moved to 2.0). Crashes were immediate appearance of a full blue screen with white text stating memory had been dumped and a cold boot is required

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-27 Thread Ken Rudolph
Martin Freitag wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I switched back from 2.01 because it MAY have been the culprit that caused my system to crash 6 times in the last 2 months (after I moved to 2.0). Crashes were immediate appearance of a full blue screen with white text stating memory had been dumped and

Re: Back to 1.18 - more BSOD info

2009-12-27 Thread Ken Rudolph
Ken Rudolph wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: JohnW-Mpls schrieb: I switched back from 2.01 because it MAY have been the culprit that caused my system to crash 6 times in the last 2 months (after I moved to 2.0). Crashes were immediate appearance of a full blue screen with white text stating memory

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-05 Thread David Wilkinson
JohnW-Mpls wrote: I'm contemplating going back from 2.0 to 1.18 to get a working ID/password recovery system. The current tricks in 2.0 to get the ID password for different sites either don't work or take much too long - old 1.18 would fill in the ID password as soon as I got to a site. Or -

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-05 Thread Rufus
David Wilkinson wrote: JohnW-Mpls wrote: I'm contemplating going back from 2.0 to 1.18 to get a working ID/password recovery system. The current tricks in 2.0 to get the ID password for different sites either don't work or take much too long - old 1.18 would fill in the ID password as soon

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-05 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 5/12/2009 16:37, David Wilkinson told the world: For me the overwhelming advantage of SM2 is that it has the FireFox 3 rendering engine. So many sites don't display well in SM1/FF2 these days. There's that, certainly. For me, a few other things: - My bank here in

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-05 Thread question
JohnW-Mpls wrote: I'm contemplating going back from 2.0 to 1.18 to get a working ID/password recovery system. The current tricks in 2.0 to get the ID password for different sites either don't work or take much too long - old 1.18 would fill in the ID password as soon as I got to a site. Or -

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-05 Thread Martin Freitag
question schrieb: JohnW-Mpls wrote: I'm contemplating going back from 2.0 to 1.18 to get a working ID/password recovery system. The current tricks in 2.0 to get the ID password for different sites either don't work or take much too long - old 1.18 would fill in the ID password as soon as I

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-05 Thread BeeNeR
On or about 12/5/2009 6:40 PM, stango typed the following: Martin Freitag wrote: question schrieb: JohnW-Mpls wrote: I'm contemplating going back from 2.0 to 1.18 to get a working ID/password recovery system. The current tricks in 2.0 to get the ID password for different sites either don't

Re: Back to 1.18

2009-12-05 Thread JD
stango wrote: Martin Freitag wrote: question schrieb: JohnW-Mpls wrote: I'm contemplating going back from 2.0 to 1.18 to get a working ID/password recovery system. The current tricks in 2.0 to get the ID password for different sites either don't work or take much too long - old 1.18 would