Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Hi, everybody (or anybody, since this thread seems to have 'petered out', with no posts for nearly 3 weeks)! I guess I'll just post an update on the progress I managed to achieve on the subject of "SM Mail and text encoding", with the help of the previous responses and comments, and leave as

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, on 12 out 16 18:20: Bug 1309711 raised: I've posted a separate thread asking others to reproduce on other operating systems / newer versions, in case anyone who's stopped following this thread

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

mozilla-lists.mbourne wrote: Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, on 10 Oct 16 15:48: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I have noticed that sometimes SM will guess wrong when I select a message in a mail folder, but if I navigate away and then return it'll guess

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, on 10 out 16 15:48: It seems that SeaMonkey correctly detects the encoding when opening messages in the "message pane", but doesn't actually use that encoding until the next message is opened, and doesn't detect the encoding at all when opening them

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, on 11 Oct 16 17:30: Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: A happy coincidence that you decided to do so, since I already had the intention of writing you, to ask for details about your migration of SM from XP to W7 -- but let's leave that for a little later,

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, on 11 Oct 16 18:52: ... the main point would be that SM seems to open or show messages using the 'last-used' text encoding, not the one specified in the e-mail's properties (which, IMHO, should be considered a bug). I agree this doesn't seem right.

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, on 11 Oct 16 17:14: That also affects opening previously saved drafts. So, for example: - Start composing a message with UTF-8 encoding (like Paul, that's my default) and include a character not covered by the standard ASCII set (in my case, usually

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, on 10 Oct 16 15:48: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I have noticed that sometimes SM will guess wrong when I select a message in a mail folder, but if I navigate away and then return it'll guess right. I don't know why that is

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: BTW, before I forget: It's been a few years since SM started opening that 'message pane' when you classify a message as "Junk"; it wasn't that way earlier, and I don't see any way to turn that behavior off! Does anyone know some way to do that? That one looks like

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote, on 10 out 16 17:49: Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: A happy coincidence that you decided to do so, since I already had the intention of writing you, to ask for details about your migration of SM from XP to W7 -- but let's leave that for a

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I have noticed that sometimes SM will guess wrong when I select a message in a mail folder, but if I navigate away and then return it'll guess right. I don't know why that is -- it seems to be

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Paul B. Gallagher wrote, on 11 Oct 16 04:10: If I were only getting 20 messages a day, I might try your way. As it happens, I routinely get over a hundred, sometimes 200, so filtering to appropriate folders is a great time saver. If messages 3, 28, 47, and 96 relate to the same topic, it's much

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote, on 11 Oct 16 00:35: In the same way, I do want SM to move junk messages to the Junk folder, which then lights up in bold to remind me to check them. In most cases, I can take one look at the subject line and agree that it's junk -- if I've

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Paul B. Gallagher wrote, on 11 Oct 16 00:35: The usual point of filters (not the same as Junk Mail Control) is... I used "filtering' in a general sense: After all, analyzing a message and deciding it's junk/spam and/or from your brother is, basically the same function. I _am_ familiar

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote, on 10 Oct 16 17:46: Haven't seen this. If I select a message in the list and press "J" to classify it as junk, SM just puts it in the Junk folder without displaying it. Of course, if I open it to diagnose it and /then/ mark it as junk,

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Paul B. Gallagher wrote, on 11 Oct 16 00:21: Windows 2000 was released February 17, 2000, and Windows XP was released October 25, 2001. So XP is approaching its 15th birthday. Computer years are like dog years (7:1), so that means it's like a 105-year-old human being. Even my Win7 at six (42)

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: Don't you mean that you "upgraded the OS from W2K to WXP while SM was already installed, and it just ran without further action on [your] part"? After all, XP came after 2k (which came after W95, all of which I used in turn)... And, yes, going from W2K to WXP was

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Paul B. Gallagher wrote, on 10 Oct 16 17:36: It seems that SeaMonkey correctly detects the encoding when opening messages in the "message pane", but doesn't actually use that encoding until the next message is opened, and doesn't detect the encoding at all when opening them in a separate window

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Paul B. Gallagher wrote, on 10 Oct 16 17:46: Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: But, is it possible that the matter with "Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts" which Paul Gallagher described is also a factor in this problem? Could be -- a lot of older fonts have very limited character sets.

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Paul B. Gallagher wrote, on 10 out 16 17:49: Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: A happy coincidence that you decided to do so, since I already had the intention of writing you, to ask for details about your migration of SM from XP to W7 -- but let's leave that for a little later, OK? I can't

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: I'll 'clean up' the offending draft, and try once again to choose the correct "View | Text Encoding" before opening it, and see if that stops the gibberish. Alternatively, on another draft, I'll try the "F8 way" which mbourne described (since I also never used F8,

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: Hi, Paul B. Gallagher! Thanks for your quick reply, on 09 Oct 16 21:39! A happy coincidence that you decided to do so, since I already had the intention of writing you, to ask for details about your migration of SM from XP to W7 -- but let's leave that for a little

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I have noticed that sometimes SM will guess wrong when I select a message in a mail folder, but if I navigate away and then return it'll guess right. I don't know why that is -- it seems to be sticking to the encoding it

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote, on 10 Oct 16 15:48: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I have noticed that sometimes SM will guess wrong when I select a message in a mail folder, but if I navigate away and then return it'll guess right. I don't know why that is -- it seems to be sticking to

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I have noticed that sometimes SM will guess wrong when I select a message in a mail folder, but if I navigate away and then return it'll guess right. I don't know why that is -- it seems to be sticking to the encoding it used for the previous message that I just deleted.

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

Ralph Fox wrotescreveu, onem 10 out 16 05:23: On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 01:15:17 -0300, Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: Sorry, but that doesn't cover my main problem which, as I said, is that: when I compose a large message with parts in English and parts in another language, and make several drafts:

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

On Mon, 10 Oct 2016 01:15:17 -0300, Alexander Yudenitsch wrote: Sorry, but that doesn't cover my main problem which, as I said, is that: when I compose a large message with parts in English and parts in another language, and make several drafts: Each time the draft is re-opened for further

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

;what I've managed to find involving text encoding in SeaMonkey Mail": There are no explanations or specifications for most of these, so one has to guess... I do speak/write Russian, but so far have had no need to use it in e-mails, and have no correspondents who use anything except Unicod

Re: SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

messages in different text encoding options, and languages different from English... First, a quick round-up of what I've managed to find involving text encoding in SeaMonkey Mail: ... Now, the problems: I send and receive e-mails in several languages (but mostly English), ... So do I. In my case

SeaMonkey Mail and text encoding

encoding options, and languages different from English... First, a quick round-up of what I've managed to find involving text encoding in SeaMonkey Mail: - In "Preferences / Mail & Newsgroups / Text Encoding" options: . Message Display - Fallback text encoding: .. Default for