Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
Rufus wrote:
*This* surprises the crap out of me though, considering some of what
I've read here elsewhere -
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/
...and you get it via the Apple App Store.
Off topic for this NG, *but* Firefox Home is *not* Firefox for iPhone,
it
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Well, the mass of innovation-resistant people posting in those forums
is at least one of the reasons why I moved away my focus from
SeaMonkey and work on making Firefox more stable (in terms of not
crashing) now.
Understood,
Bill Davidsen wrote:
MCBastos wrote:
Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world:
Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle
that often,
and according to the reports were told that Firefox is not suitable
for business
use. I can dig out the
Don wrote:
Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward. It has many changes with
no real improvement. This new version makes some things take more
time, like simply saving a bookmark. Now there is no way to
designate a new bookmark folder.
Many other problems. For one thing there is no
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sat, 06 Aug 2011 21:47:15 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Well, the mass of innovation-resistant people posting in those
forums is at least one of the reasons why I moved away my focus
from SeaMonkey and work on making Firefox
Don a écrit :
Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward. It has many changes with
no real improvement. This new version makes some things take more
time, like simply saving a bookmark. Now there is no way to
designate a new bookmark folder.
Many other problems. For one thing there is no
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
WLS wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
WLS wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
MCBastos wrote:
Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the world:
Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle
that often,
and according to the reports were told that
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:37:53 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
Putting a reasoned argument on behalf of those who prefer stability
and security to non-essential change is not bitching; it is
offering a
WLS wrote:
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
WLS wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
WLS wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
MCBastos wrote:
Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the
world:
Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA cycle
that often,
and according to the reports
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:12:48 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
I agree that some of the critiques have lacked focus; but in
general, I believe that those who are most vocal in criticising
the current changes in Seamonkey development and release are
also amongst those who are most deeply
Daniel wrote:
Philip, perhaps it might help to consider the SeaMonkey developers not as a
group of developers who are trying to produce a product that will sweep all before
them, but as a group of *USERS* who are trying to produce a product that will do
what *they* want, and you and I get
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
The only thing I'm genuinely afraid of is that the last few people
who care about, and have enough knowledge to develop and maintain
SeaMonkey might lose interest because of so much unreasonable
criticism going on. From my point of view every change to the
SeaMonkey
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
What we need (IMHO) is a genuine debate between users and
developers; a little less sniping, and a better appreciation
by each side of the wishes of, and constraints on, the other
side, would go a long way towards ensuring a viable future
for this most
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:12:48 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
I agree that some of the critiques have lacked focus; but in
general, I believe that those who are most vocal in criticising
the current changes in Seamonkey development and release are
also amongst
Ray_Net wrote:
Don wrote:
Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward.
[...]
Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still
keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.?
Also how do I write the people who wrote this version to complain.
Not just to report a bug. (this version
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
[snip]
We all want the same thing, SeaMonkey to Succeed!
Remember that, and remember that we do read and care
about your [regular users] thoughts. Sometimes tradeoffs
are necessary, sometimes new features are necessary.
Sometimes features you (and us) have come to
Rufus wrote:
PhillipJones wrote:
Rufus wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
PhillipJones schrieb:
The original post meant SeaMonkey.
It didn't.
FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever.
SM increments their major updates by .1's
2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on.
That is just a different numbering
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
You are probably almost certainly correct. The problem is,
the release notes do not provide any of this background --
we the users have no way of knowing which features were
deliberately introduced by the Seamonkey team, which
were carried over from
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 14:52:03 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
The problem is, the release notes do not provide any of this
background -- we the users have no way of knowing which features
were deliberately introduced by the Seamonkey team, which were
carried over from Firefox/Gecko
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sat, 06 Aug 2011 21:47:15 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Well, the mass of innovation-resistant people posting in those
forums is at least one of the reasons why I moved away my focus
WLS wrote:
Daniel wrote:
WLS wrote:
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
WLS wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
WLS wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
MCBastos wrote:
Interviewed by CNN on 05/08/2011 11:17, Bill Davidsen told the
world:
Some commercial users have complained that they can't do a QA
cycle
that often,
and
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
I don't know the answer to the DOM-inspector question, which is why I chose not
to answer it when I read it. That said there is a newsgroup for DOM Inspector
in these newsgroups (though much less frequented then SeaMonkey) and it *is* an
on-topic question in our
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:37:53 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
Putting a reasoned argument on behalf of those who prefer stability
and security to non-essential change is not bitching; it is
offering a constructive criticism that should be interpreted
as such.
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:31:21 -0400, /PhillipJones/:
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
The problem with the so called constructive criticism I see
widespread in this group, is it doesn't help keeping the
SeaMonkey product alive, most importantly, and then usable,
both related to the Mozilla platform
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:31:21 -0400, /PhillipJones/:
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
The problem with the so called constructive criticism I see
widespread in this group, is it doesn't help keeping the
SeaMonkey product alive, most importantly, and then usable,
both
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:12:48 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
I agree that some of the critiques have lacked focus; but in
general, I believe that those who are most vocal in criticising
the current changes in Seamonkey development and release are
also amongst
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
I don't know the answer to the DOM-inspector question, which is why I
chose not to answer it when I read it. That said there is a newsgroup
for DOM Inspector in these newsgroups (though much less frequented
then SeaMonkey)
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
As of 2.2, tabs were forced when one attempted to
access either the Data Manager or the Add-ons
manager via the Tools menu interface. If that
behaviour is reverted in a more recent release,
then I am both reassured and
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:41:56 -0400, /PhillipJones/:
But when you get to the point you kill off Internet plugins that
have word for ages and still should work. That the point I stop
upgrading.
With 2.3 I can't even view large sections of my own website. and I
set up so it 4.0.1 Strict. I use a lot
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
While the widespreading could be a symptom to a problem,
I've been observing this group long enough to deduce most
of the criticism seen is just ignorant babble.
OK, in view of your long association with, and observation of,
this group, may I ask you one question
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
While the widespreading could be a symptom to a problem,
I've been observing this group long enough to deduce most
of the criticism seen is just ignorant babble.
OK, in view of your long association with, and observation
Keith Whaley wrote:
Ray_Net wrote:
Don wrote:
Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward.
[...]
Is there any simple way to go back to an earlier version and still
keep my bookmarks, settings, emails etc.?
Also how do I write the people who wrote this version to complain.
Not just to report
I see only the top half-millimeters of those two buttons in the page.
http://google-maps-api-version-3.touraineverte.com/fr/ajouter-un-marqueur-sur-une-carte-avec-api-google-maps-version-3.html
Look at bottom of the left pane.
I have been told that it's ok when using Firefox.
I my understanding
PhillipJones wrote:
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:12:48 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
I agree that some of the critiques have lacked focus; but in
general, I believe that those who are most vocal in criticising
the current changes in Seamonkey development and
Ray_Net wrote:
I see only the top half-millimeters of those two buttons in the page.
http://google-maps-api-version-3.touraineverte.com/fr/ajouter-un-marqueur-sur-une-carte-avec-api-google-maps-version-3.html
Look at bottom of the left pane.
I have been told that it's ok when using
Ray_Net wrote:
I see only the top half-millimeters of those two buttons in the page.
http://google-maps-api-version-3.touraineverte.com/fr/ajouter-un-marqueur-sur-une-carte-avec-api-google-maps-version-3.html
Look at bottom of the left pane.
I have been told that it's ok when using Firefox.
I
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 17:18:58 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
OK, in view of your long association with, and observation of,
this group, may I ask you one question ? Has there been
equally widespread (and ill-informed ?) criticism following
each major release of Seamonkey, or has there
On 07.08.2011 11:35, Ray_Net wrote:
--- Original Message ---
I see only the top half-millimeters of those two buttons in the page.
http://google-maps-api-version-3.touraineverte.com/fr/ajouter-un-marqueur-sur-une-carte-avec-api-google-maps-version-3.html
Look at bottom of the left pane.
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 18:35:12 +0200, /Ray_Net/:
I see only the top half-millimeters of those two buttons in the page.
http://google-maps-api-version-3.touraineverte.com/fr/ajouter-un-marqueur-sur-une-carte-avec-api-google-maps-version-3.html
Look at bottom of the left pane.
I have been told that
On 08/07/2011 08:27 AM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
WLS wrote:
Daniel wrote:
WLS wrote:
...
Here is the link if anyone wants to view the demo.
http://robhawkes.github.com/webgl-html5-audio-visualiser/
Clicking on the link got me Jazz sounding music with a blank screen and
Done
SeaMonkey
NoOp wrote:
Seems to be the Windows Vista syndrome... fill the landfills with old
hardware so that you can experience the latest greatest. Further,
NVIDIA 257.21 doesn't work on Quadro4 cards.
Not restricted to Vista; I too see nothing under Win/XP;SP3.
Adapter Description
On 08/07/2011 09:35 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
I see only the top half-millimeters of those two buttons in the page.
http://google-maps-api-version-3.touraineverte.com/fr/ajouter-un-marqueur-sur-une-carte-avec-api-google-maps-version-3.html
Look at bottom of the left pane.
I have been told that
Daniel wrote:
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:37:53 +0100, /Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)/:
Putting a reasoned argument on behalf of those who prefer stability
and security to non-essential change is not bitching; it is
offering a
PhillipJones wrote:
Rufus wrote:
PhillipJones wrote:
Rufus wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
PhillipJones schrieb:
The original post meant SeaMonkey.
It didn't.
FF is up to 5.6.7.8 or whatever.
SM increments their major updates by .1's
2.0, 2.1, 2.2., 2.3, 2.4 and so on.
That is just a
On 08/07/2011 11:13 AM, NoOp wrote:
On 08/07/2011 09:35 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
I see only the top half-millimeters of those two buttons in the page.
http://google-maps-api-version-3.touraineverte.com/fr/ajouter-un-marqueur-sur-une-carte-avec-api-google-maps-version-3.html
Look at bottom of the
[This is mostly for Philip et al. since Callek surely knows or can find
out himself.]
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
Though the Why ... three levels of zoom I recall us describing the why
many times; Us mentioning a bug #; and (recently) one of our newsgroup
readers actually FIXING that issue
On 08/07/2011 11:13 AM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
NoOp wrote:
Seems to be the Windows Vista syndrome... fill the landfills with old
hardware so that you can experience the latest greatest. Further,
NVIDIA 257.21 doesn't work on Quadro4 cards.
Not restricted to
Jens Hatlak wrote:
[This is mostly for Philip et al. since Callek surely knows or can find out
himself.]
AFAICS it's 2.5 (current trunk) that will have seven levels in the plus
direction and 4 in the negative direction again by default. Current Aurora
nightlies (to-be 2.4) still have
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Jens Hatlak wrote:
[This is mostly for Philip et al. since Callek surely knows or can find out
himself.]
AFAICS it's 2.5 (current trunk) that will have seven levels in the plus
direction and 4 in the negative direction again by default.
On 11-08-06 4:47 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Well, the mass of innovation-resistant people posting in those forums
is at least one of the reasons why I moved away my focus from
SeaMonkey and work on making Firefox more stable (in terms of not
crashing) now.
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
On 8/6/2011 9:22 PM, Stan wrote:
So, I deleted cookies, popups, etc.
What did you do to delete these, by my reading it sounds as though you
deleted them some way, THEN went to use the data manager for teh first
time; which sounds as if you did the deletion
Just as a note due to recent events, I will not reply to any private
email sent as responses to messages in this newsgroup.
Robert Kaiser
--
Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never
meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible
arguments
Rufus schrieb:
...WTF is *this*?
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/
Not a SeaMonkey thing at least.
Robert Kaiser
--
Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never
meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible
arguments that we as a
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) schrieb:
But would it not help to prevent
unjustified criticism if the rationale for each
change were documented in the release notes ?
I don't think so, esp. as AFAIK the changes page of the release notes
already links all the bug reports and those usually
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Rufus schrieb:
...WTF is *this*?
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/
Not a SeaMonkey thing at least.
Robert Kaiser
...wonder if it would work with SM, though? I find some Firefox things
do. I like the idea of it, anyway.
--
- Rufus
Jens Hatlak schrieb:
IOW, for things like Add-ons Manager and Data Manager (called from
different places!), corresponding bugs need to be filed if not already
present. No bug, no change.
One is enough, it's the switchToTabHavingURI() function that is to blame
and used by both.
Robert Kaiser
PhillipJones schrieb:
the OP of this thread obviously meant SM 2.3 and mistakenly wrote FF.
The one I replied to obviously didn't.
Robert Kaiser
--
Note that any statements of mine - no matter how passionate - are never
meant to be offensive but very often as food for thought or possible
Rufus schrieb:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Rufus schrieb:
...WTF is *this*?
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/
Not a SeaMonkey thing at least.
Robert Kaiser
...wonder if it would work with SM, though? I find some Firefox things
do. I like the idea of it, anyway.
If you mean Firefox Home,
Seamonkey 2.2
In Seamonkey Mail, I currently have 1 email account, and 1 newsgroup
account. When I try to add a second email account, the new account
wizard does not give me the option to select which type of account I
want to add. With the Mail window open, I click on Edit in the Mail
Interviewed by CNN on 07/08/2011 15:23, Rufus told the world:
I'm rather surprised they don't charge for it - I'd certainly be willing
to pay 99 cents for something like this, and I think most users would at
a 99 cent price point for a useful companion to the otherwise free
desktop
Interviewed by CNN on 07/08/2011 19:14, Robert Kaiser told the world:
If you mean Firefox Home, which has been available for a long time, just
not promoted on there before, yes, it works with SeaMonkey Sync just
like with Firefox Sync, as it's exactly the same technology. :)
To complement
Interviewed by CNN on 07/08/2011 00:39, Graham told the world:
Funny that. I thought that a large part of the point of Seamonkey was
precisely to avoid change for change's sake, or we'd all have been using
Firefox.
Not quite. The point is to have an integrated suite geared for power
users,
Interviewed by CNN on 07/08/2011 17:41, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
told the world:
Yes indeed, Chris, and it was not my intention to ignore
it. Rather, my point (perhaps poorly made) was that
by tying increased security and incremental bug fixes
to deliberate (or forced, by changes in
Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward. It has many changes with
no real improvement. This new version makes some things take more
time, like simply saving a bookmark. Now there is no way to
designate a new bookmark folder.
Many other problems. For one thing there is no documentation for
MCBastos wrote:
But, the thing is, with limited resources available, supporting
those old releases means that the new release does not receive as
much work as it needs. With Seamonkey tied to the every-six-weeks
Mozilla release schedule, delaying release is not an option. So
supporting the old
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:40:49 -0300, /MCBastos/:
Interviewed by CNN on 07/08/2011 00:39, Graham told the world:
Funny that. I thought that a large part of the point of Seamonkey was
precisely to avoid change for change's sake, or we'd all have been using
Firefox.
Not quite. The point is to have
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:29:22 -0400, /Paul B. Gallagher/:
As our parents used to ask, If everyone else jumped off a cliff,
would you do it, too? Just because the FF people decided to rush
things and churn out a series of half-baked products for the sake of
keeping up with the Joneses, why should we
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:29:22 -0400, /Paul B. Gallagher/:
As our parents used to ask, If everyone else jumped off a cliff,
would you do it, too? Just because the FF people decided to rush
things and churn out a series of half-baked products for the sake of
keeping up
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote:
Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:29:22 -0400, /Paul B. Gallagher/:
As our parents used to ask, If everyone else jumped off a cliff,
would you do it, too? Just because the FF people decided to rush
things and churn out a series of half-baked products for
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Rufus schrieb:
Robert Kaiser wrote:
Rufus schrieb:
...WTF is *this*?
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/
Not a SeaMonkey thing at least.
Robert Kaiser
...wonder if it would work with SM, though? I find some Firefox things
do. I like the idea of it, anyway.
If you
MCBastos wrote:
Interviewed by CNN on 07/08/2011 15:23, Rufus told the world:
I'm rather surprised they don't charge for it - I'd certainly be willing
to pay 99 cents for something like this, and I think most users would at
a 99 cent price point for a useful companion to the otherwise free
Probably OT for SeaMonkey, but I can't test w/SeaMonkey.
First it was the Olympics linux users couldn't view the videos because
they used Silverlight (Moonlight eventually did a partial). Now it's the
America's Cup and they are using the Unity Web Player (Win Mac only):
WLS wrote:
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
I'm only saying what I've read here from authoritative sources; the
only addition is my judgment half-baked, which reflects many of
the opinions voiced here.
If you don't like it, speak to the merits of the argument. You need
not shoot the messenger.
Interviewed by CNN on 07/08/2011 21:29, Paul B. Gallagher told the world:
MCBastos wrote:
But, the thing is, with limited resources available, supporting
those old releases means that the new release does not receive as
much work as it needs. With Seamonkey tied to the every-six-weeks
Isn't it sickening how the commercialized-proprietary OS vendors
manage to manipulate these event-planners into excluding 10's of
millions of potential viewers?
Dumb and unnecessary.
Forget them - they can sail their million-dollar boats in electronic-
darkness at our home - no way I will jump
NoOp wrote:
On 08/07/2011 08:27 AM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
WLS wrote:
Daniel wrote:
WLS wrote:
...
Here is the link if anyone wants to view the demo.
http://robhawkes.github.com/webgl-html5-audio-visualiser/
Clicking on the link got me Jazz sounding music with a blank screen and
Jens Hatlak wrote:
[This is mostly for Philip et al. since Callek surely knows or can find
out himself.]
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote:
Though the Why ... three levels of zoom I recall us describing the why
many times; Us mentioning a bug #; and (recently) one of our newsgroup
readers actually
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
NoOp wrote:
Seems to be the Windows Vista syndrome... fill the landfills with old
hardware so that you can experience the latest greatest. Further,
NVIDIA 257.21 doesn't work on Quadro4 cards.
Not restricted to Vista; I too see nothing under
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote:
...
It was my impression (and I may
have been wrong), that up and till V2.0.14, these
two elements were not bundled : that is, V2.0.14 was
incrementally better than V2.0.x, x 14, yet there
were no perceivable changes in the user interface.
I suspect
Don wrote:
Clearly Seamonkey 2.2 is a step backward.
...
Don
Don your message here is a repeat of yesterdays, yesterdays (Aug 6) also
recieved many replies addressing your concerns, please do not double
post, and see those replies. From there we can move on with further
discussion if
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