Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: as soon as FIOS is available here, I'm gonna switch. You mean FTTH. Verizons offer FiOS is not known all over the world. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
Gerd Klaus Hafenbrack wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: as soon as FIOS is available here, I'm gonna switch. You mean FTTH. Verizon's offer FiOS is not known all over the world. Never heard of FTTH until now, but I accept your claim that FiOS is not universal. Either way, it's way faster than my dish and doesn't crap out in a rainstorm. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
On or about 8/11/2009 6:04 AM, Paul B. Gallagher typed the following: Gerd Klaus Hafenbrack wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: as soon as FIOS is available here, I'm gonna switch. You mean FTTH. Verizon's offer FiOS is not known all over the world. Never heard of FTTH until now, but I accept your claim that FiOS is not universal. Either way, it's way faster than my dish and doesn't crap out in a rainstorm. FTTH - Fiber To The Home -- Ed Beer has 3 grams of complex carbohydrates in a 12-oz. glass; milk has no complex carbohydrates. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:18:37 -0400, BeeNeR wrote: On or about 8/11/2009 6:04 AM, Paul B. Gallagher typed the following: Gerd Klaus Hafenbrack wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: as soon as FIOS is available here, I'm gonna switch. You mean FTTH. Verizon's offer FiOS is not known all over the world. Never heard of FTTH until now, but I accept your claim that FiOS is not universal. Either way, it's way faster than my dish and doesn't crap out in a rainstorm. FTTH - Fiber To The Home After watching _Ghost in the Shell_, I'm thinking of FTTB (Fibre To The Brain). Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Martin Feitag wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: With modern broadband connections, caching doesn't really speed up page loading that much anymore the way it did in the dial-up days. If you define broadband like the German government, it's still an important part of the browser for some people. ;-) regards Last time I checked, less than a year ago, approximately 40% of US users ( including me ;) are still on dialup. It's hard to judge, because broadband penetration statistics divide the number of broadband access points by the total population, not by the number of Internet users. US stats for December 2008 were around 25% by that measure, but how many users had access to each line? And what proportion of the population isn't online at all? http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/21/35/39574709.xls As for speeds, OECD includes anything over 256 kbit/s, which is a pretty low cutoff but does exclude dial-ups. http://www.oecd.org/document/46/0,3343,en_2649_34225_39575598_1_1_1_1,00.html More info here: http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_1,00.html Interesting links. Motivation to see if I can find again the article I remembered. Were measurement methods different or was the article more dated than I thought. There's a subtle trap for software developers - assuming that their setup being 'nothing special' is not only 'normal' _BUT_ *THE NORM* I wouldn't call it so much a trap for SW developers -- they don't suffer if they get it wrong, we do. Typically they write for high-end systems, driving innovation as users demand better performance from manufacturers and ISPs. A minority will write for low-end systems in the interest of broader market penetration. I think the traps more subtle. For example, top of line systems are so big and/or fast that the problem may not be observed. Is all this bandwidth needed or is does it cover up other problems? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
NoOp wrote: On 08/08/2009 11:23 PM, Ant wrote: AFAIK, Amazon doesn't use Java. I know it uses Flash. Have you tried clearing caches, cookies, and history? SeaMonkey v1.x does get slower and slower in Windows with longer uptimes in Windows XP SP2-3. I know it leaks memory for long uptime (have seen its peak go almost 1 GB!), many tabs (I can go crazy like 50+ tabs at once!), etc. Also, having many extensions (have almost 20!). When I don't need to use SM, I do exit it to free up memory. As Robert pointed out, SM 2.0 is considerably better. However, I'd recommend that you install PrefBar: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ Customize it to add the 'Clear Mem Cache' button and clear the memory cache (and others) when you notice the problem. To add the button, you can either click on the 'Customize' button, or use: Edit|Preferences|Preferences Toolbar. Works in 1.1.x and 2.0x. This strikes me as a solution in search of a problem. I can easily clear the cache by going into Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Cache, and it only takes me an extra second or two. Not enough trouble to justify installing an extra bit of software. What I would like to have is a user setting that tells SM do/don't clear cache on exit, or clear cache every nn hours, or something like that. With modern broadband connections, caching doesn't really speed up pae loading that much anymore the way it did in the dialup days. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: NoOp wrote: On 08/08/2009 11:23 PM, Ant wrote: AFAIK, Amazon doesn't use Java. I know it uses Flash. Have you tried clearing caches, cookies, and history? SeaMonkey v1.x does get slower and slower in Windows with longer uptimes in Windows XP SP2-3. I know it leaks memory for long uptime (have seen its peak go almost 1 GB!), many tabs (I can go crazy like 50+ tabs at once!), etc. Also, having many extensions (have almost 20!). When I don't need to use SM, I do exit it to free up memory. As Robert pointed out, SM 2.0 is considerably better. However, I'd recommend that you install PrefBar: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ Customize it to add the 'Clear Mem Cache' button and clear the memory cache (and others) when you notice the problem. To add the button, you can either click on the 'Customize' button, or use: Edit|Preferences|Preferences Toolbar. Works in 1.1.x and 2.0x. This strikes me as a solution in search of a problem. I can easily clear the cache by going into Edit | Preferences | Advanced | Cache, and it only takes me an extra second or two. Not enough trouble to justify installing an extra bit of software. Oh, it has other nice buttons and checkboxes, too. ;-) (e.g. for enabling/disabling PopUps, javascript, restoring the last tab, etc.) What I would like to have is a user setting that tells SM do/don't clear cache on exit, or clear cache every nn hours, or something like that. Included in SM2.0 With modern broadband connections, caching doesn't really speed up pae loading that much anymore the way it did in the dialup days. If you define broadband like the German government, it's still an important part of the browser for some people. ;-) regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
Martin Feitag wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: NoOp wrote: [snip] With modern broadband connections, caching doesn't really speed up pae loading that much anymore the way it did in the dialup days. If you define broadband like the German government, it's still an important part of the browser for some people. ;-) regards Last time I checked, less than a year ago, approximately 40% of US users ( including me ;) are still on dialup. There's a subtle trap for software developers - assuming that their setup being 'nothing special' is not only 'normal' _BUT_ *THE NORM* ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
Martin Feitag wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: With modern broadband connections, caching doesn't really speed up page loading that much anymore the way it did in the dialup days. If you define broadband like the German government, it's still an important part of the browser for some people. ;-) My minimal broadband connection lets me download 6 MB per minute unless I exceed 200 MB in a 24 hour period. If I do exceed 200 MB, the system throttles me back to low-end dial-up speeds (e.g., 26.4 kbps) for 25 hours or so as punishment for my greed. Only in the latter case do I notice any benefit from caching. Oh -- and in case of fat media files such as a 5 MB wmv that takes a minute to reload if not cached. I have friends with real broadband connections that are much faster, and as soon as FIOS is available here, I'm gonna switch. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
Richard Owlett wrote: Martin Feitag wrote: Paul B. Gallagher schrieb: With modern broadband connections, caching doesn't really speed up page loading that much anymore the way it did in the dial-up days. If you define broadband like the German government, it's still an important part of the browser for some people. ;-) regards Last time I checked, less than a year ago, approximately 40% of US users ( including me ;) are still on dialup. It's hard to judge, because broadband penetration statistics divide the number of broadband access points by the total population, not by the number of Internet users. US stats for December 2008 were around 25% by that measure, but how many users had access to each line? And what proportion of the population isn't online at all? http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/21/35/39574709.xls As for speeds, OECD includes anything over 256 kbit/s, which is a pretty low cutoff but does exclude dial-ups. http://www.oecd.org/document/46/0,3343,en_2649_34225_39575598_1_1_1_1,00.html More info here: http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_1,00.html There's a subtle trap for software developers - assuming that their setup being 'nothing special' is not only 'normal' _BUT_ *THE NORM* I wouldn't call it so much a trap for SW developers -- they don't suffer if they get it wrong, we do. Typically they write for high-end systems, driving innovation as users demand better performance from manufacturers and ISPs. A minority will write for low-end systems in the interest of broader market penetration. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
I just wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: Last time I checked, less than a year ago, approximately 40% of US users ( including me ;) are still on dialup. It's hard to judge, because broadband penetration statistics divide the number of broadband access points by the total population, not by the number of Internet users. US stats for December 2008 were around 25% by that measure, but how many users had access to each line? And what proportion of the population isn't online at all? http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/21/35/39574709.xls ... On the other hand, this methodology gives very different numbers: http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0906/ US Broadband Penetration Grows to 63% - US Broadband Penetration Jumps to 94.7% Among Active Internet Users - June 2009 Bandwidth Report ... Overall broadband penetration across all US homes grew to 63% in March 2009, according to a survey by Pew Internet (see Figure 1). Broadband penetration grew 8 percentage points from 55% in April 2008 to 63% in March 2009. Dial-up users decreased from 10% to 7% during the same time period. Broadband growth in US homes grew mainly from low-usage groups, including seniors and low-income Americans. Overall, people living in homes with annual household incomes below $30,000 experienced a 34% growth in home broadband adoption from 2008 to 2009. ... [end quote] I'm assuming this survey asked individual Internet users what they had, and most of them said broadband. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
AFAIK, Amazon doesn't use Java. I know it uses Flash. Have you tried clearing caches, cookies, and history? SeaMonkey v1.x does get slower and slower in Windows with longer uptimes in Windows XP SP2-3. I know it leaks memory for long uptime (have seen its peak go almost 1 GB!), many tabs (I can go crazy like 50+ tabs at once!), etc. Also, having many extensions (have almost 20!). When I don't need to use SM, I do exit it to free up memory. On 8/8/2009 6:21 PM PT, beebe typed: Hi, I've been using SeaMonkey for years now on a Mac, and one predictable thing happens when I haven't quit the suite for several days--it becomes slower and slower to respond. Intuitively, I think it has to do with Java-heavy sites like Amazon, but I don't really know. Anyone have this same symptom, and can I expect it to be resolved in v2? thx, Brad Mac G5 PPC Dual 2.3ghz, 6gb RAM, OS 10.4.11 -- You'd think we could just attract ants like normal people. --Wolverine (X-Men:TAS) /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| |Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
Ant wrote: SeaMonkey v1.x does get slower and slower in Windows with longer uptimes in Windows XP SP2-3. I know it leaks memory for long uptime (have seen its peak go almost 1 GB!), many tabs (I can go crazy like 50+ tabs at once!), etc. Also, having many extensions (have almost 20!). Yes, we know that you can run into problems in such situations. SeaMonkey 2.0 performs better there, even if it's just in beta stage right now. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
Robert Kaiser schrieb: Yes, we know that you can run into problems in such situations. SeaMonkey 2.0 performs better there, even if it's just in beta stage right now. Your answer gives me some hope when reading the newsgroups, Robert. It seems to have also a very busy harddisk. Surely it helps for a certain time to delete the newgroups but it needs much time to reinstall them again. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
On 08/08/2009 11:23 PM, Ant wrote: AFAIK, Amazon doesn't use Java. I know it uses Flash. Have you tried clearing caches, cookies, and history? SeaMonkey v1.x does get slower and slower in Windows with longer uptimes in Windows XP SP2-3. I know it leaks memory for long uptime (have seen its peak go almost 1 GB!), many tabs (I can go crazy like 50+ tabs at once!), etc. Also, having many extensions (have almost 20!). When I don't need to use SM, I do exit it to free up memory. As Robert pointed out, SM 2.0 is considerably better. However, I'd recommend that you install PrefBar: http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ Customize it to add the 'Clear Mem Cache' button and clear the memory cache (and others) when you notice the problem. To add the button, you can either click on the 'Customize' button, or use: Edit|Preferences|Preferences Toolbar. Works in 1.1.x and 2.0x. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
Thanks everyone; good reply's... brad --- On Aug 9, 8:04 am, NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid wrote: On 08/08/2009 11:23 PM, Ant wrote: AFAIK, Amazon doesn't use Java. I know it uses Flash. Have you tried clearing caches, cookies, and history? SeaMonkey v1.x does get slower and slower in Windows with longer uptimes in Windows XP SP2-3. I know it leaks memory for long uptime (have seen its peak go almost 1 GB!), many tabs (I can go crazy like 50+ tabs at once!), etc. Also, having many extensions (have almost 20!). When I don't need to use SM, I do exit it to free up memory. As Robert pointed out, SM 2.0 is considerably better. However, I'd recommend that you install PrefBar:http://prefbar.mozdev.org/ Customize it to add the 'Clear Mem Cache' button and clear the memory cache (and others) when you notice the problem. To add the button, you can either click on the 'Customize' button, or use: Edit|Preferences|Preferences Toolbar. Works in 1.1.x and 2.0x. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Please kindly let's us know if it worked or not for you! :) On 8/9/2009 9:38 AM PT, beebe typed: Thanks everyone; good reply's... -- Look at them, fighting like ants. The fate's waiting them. --Kane in Command Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| |Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
On 8/9/2009 5:06 AM PT, Robert Kaiser typed: Ant wrote: SeaMonkey v1.x does get slower and slower in Windows with longer uptimes in Windows XP SP2-3. I know it leaks memory for long uptime (have seen its peak go almost 1 GB!), many tabs (I can go crazy like 50+ tabs at once!), etc. Also, having many extensions (have almost 20!). Yes, we know that you can run into problems in such situations. SeaMonkey 2.0 performs better there, even if it's just in beta stage right now. Excellent. :) -- Look at them, fighting like ants. The fate's waiting them. --Kane in Command Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| |Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: phi...@earthlink.netant ( ) or ant...@zimage.com Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey gets slower and slower
Hi, I've been using SeaMonkey for years now on a Mac, and one predictable thing happens when I haven't quit the suite for several days--it becomes slower and slower to respond. Intuitively, I think it has to do with Java-heavy sites like Amazon, but I don't really know. Anyone have this same symptom, and can I expect it to be resolved in v2? thx, Brad Mac G5 PPC Dual 2.3ghz, 6gb RAM, OS 10.4.11 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
