Re: S.M ver 1.1.4

[Daniel]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

I like straightforward solutions so I wrote a little batch file
(doSMbak.bat, but you can name it differently of course) that does what
I need and placed it on the desktop:

@echo off
E:
cd E:\path\to\my\seamonkey\profile
copy *.html bak
copy *.s bak
copy *.w bak
copy *.mab bak
copy *.db bak
copy *.js bak
copy *.rdf bak
copy *.txt bak
copy *.dat bak
copy hostperm.1 bak


Hey Jens, wouldn't it be better still to save the files outside of the
profile, maybe like:-

Copy *.html D:\My Documents\SeaMonkey\Profile\ *.html.bak (similar for
each line)?


FYI: That should read
copy *.html "D:\My Documents\SeaMonkey\Profile\bak"


Shows how long it's been since I had to do much DOS-type stuff! I 
original had source first, destination second, but changed it!



Spaces require quotes,


Couldn't use spaces, as far as I knew it, in DOS.


"bak" in my example is a directory, not a suffix,
and "copy" accepts only two arguments, source and destination.

You can change it any way you like but as I said it's not meant as a
replacement for a real backup. I guess the chance that your whole
profile is deleted or corrupted is almost the same as that the same
applies to the rest of the partition it resides on in which case only a
real backup will help you. On the other hand the chance that individual
files like bookmarks.html get corrupted is much higher because those
files are open (i.e. the OS holds a handle to each one of them) while
SeaMonkey is running. If now the computer crashes while SeaMonkey is
running those files can be corrupted and the file system might even
decide to write zero-length files. Other files won't be affected,
though. Simple file system logic. :-)

HTH

Jens



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Re: S.M ver 1.1.4

[Robert Kaiser]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Dan C wrote:

I do not see that SM creates a backup bookmark file. Is this correct?


Yes. Bug 226720 and others discuss how to overcome that situation but
unfortunately there's currently no development in that direction. I
for one think that the application should take care of bookmarks
backup itself. If we adopted Firefox's bookmarks backend we'd get
backup for free but as much as I'd like to see bookmarks backup I
don't think that should be the main factor in the decision whether to
use Places for bookmarks in SeaMonkey.


but FF2 used a backup and it wasn't using places at the time.


Good point. I found the matching bugs (where the respective patches are
attached) and added a comment to Bug 226720 so that when the bookmarks
backend story is decided we'll have everything we need to implement
backups if the backend doesn't provide it yet.


I honestly would prefer to switch to places bookmarks right away instead 
of porting obsolete code.


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Re: S.M ver 1.1.4

[Jens Hatlak]

Daniel wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

I like straightforward solutions so I wrote a little batch file
(doSMbak.bat, but you can name it differently of course) that does what
I need and placed it on the desktop:

@echo off
E:
cd E:\path\to\my\seamonkey\profile
copy *.html bak
copy *.s bak
copy *.w bak
copy *.mab bak
copy *.db bak
copy *.js bak
copy *.rdf bak
copy *.txt bak
copy *.dat bak
copy hostperm.1 bak


Hey Jens, wouldn't it be better still to save the files outside of the 
profile, maybe like:-


Copy *.html D:\My Documents\SeaMonkey\Profile\ *.html.bak (similar for 
each line)?


FYI: That should read
copy *.html "D:\My Documents\SeaMonkey\Profile\bak"
Spaces require quotes, "bak" in my example is a directory, not a suffix, 
and "copy" accepts only two arguments, source and destination.


You can change it any way you like but as I said it's not meant as a 
replacement for a real backup. I guess the chance that your whole 
profile is deleted or corrupted is almost the same as that the same 
applies to the rest of the partition it resides on in which case only a 
real backup will help you. On the other hand the chance that individual 
files like bookmarks.html get corrupted is much higher because those 
files are open (i.e. the OS holds a handle to each one of them) while 
SeaMonkey is running. If now the computer crashes while SeaMonkey is 
running those files can be corrupted and the file system might even 
decide to write zero-length files. Other files won't be affected, 
though. Simple file system logic. :-)


HTH

Jens

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Re: S.M ver 1.1.4

[Daniel]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Dan C wrote:

I do not see that SM creates a backup bookmark file. Is this correct?


Yes. Bug 226720 and others discuss how to overcome that situation but
unfortunately there's currently no development in that direction. I for
one think that the application should take care of bookmarks backup
itself. If we adopted Firefox's bookmarks backend we'd get backup for
free but as much as I'd like to see bookmarks backup I don't think that
should be the main factor in the decision whether to use Places for
bookmarks in SeaMonkey.


How can this be done?


I like straightforward solutions so I wrote a little batch file
(doSMbak.bat, but you can name it differently of course) that does what
I need and placed it on the desktop:

@echo off
E:
cd E:\path\to\my\seamonkey\profile
copy *.html bak
copy *.s bak
copy *.w bak
copy *.mab bak
copy *.db bak
copy *.js bak
copy *.rdf bak
copy *.txt bak
copy *.dat bak
copy hostperm.1 bak

All you need to do is adapt the path (and drive letter) and create a
directory called "bak" in your profile, then you can start the batch
file at any time, even while SeaMonkey is running (the bookmarks file is
written every time you change a bookmark). Even though it's just one
backup that is overwritten every time it saved me from losing my
bookmarks several times (my PC is freezing up almost daily). It's also
really fast. Of course you should do a real backup (full disk/partition,
incremental or differential etc.), too.

HTH

Jens



Hey Jens, wouldn't it be better still to save the files outside of the 
profile, maybe like:-


Copy *.html D:\My Documents\SeaMonkey\Profile\ *.html.bak (similar for 
each line)?


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Re: S.M ver 1.1.4

[Jens Hatlak]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Dan C wrote:
I do not see that SM creates a backup bookmark file.  Is this correct? 


Yes. Bug 226720 and others discuss how to overcome that situation but 
unfortunately there's currently no development in that direction. I 
for one think that the application should take care of bookmarks 
backup itself. If we adopted Firefox's bookmarks backend we'd get 
backup for free but as much as I'd like to see bookmarks backup I 
don't think that should be the main factor in the decision whether to 
use Places for bookmarks in SeaMonkey.


but FF2 used a backup and it wasn't using places at the time.


Good point. I found the matching bugs (where the respective patches are 
attached) and added a comment to Bug 226720 so that when the bookmarks 
backend story is decided we'll have everything we need to implement 
backups if the backend doesn't provide it yet.


Greetings,

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Re: S.M ver 1.1.4

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

Jens Hatlak wrote:

Dan C wrote:
I do not see that SM creates a backup bookmark file.  Is this correct? 


Yes. Bug 226720 and others discuss how to overcome that situation but 
unfortunately there's currently no development in that direction. I for 
one think that the application should take care of bookmarks backup 
itself. If we adopted Firefox's bookmarks backend we'd get backup for 
free but as much as I'd like to see bookmarks backup I don't think that 
should be the main factor in the decision whether to use Places for 
bookmarks in SeaMonkey.


but FF2 used a backup and it wasn't using places at the 
time.


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Re: S.M ver 1.1.4

[Jens Hatlak]

Dan C wrote:
I do not see that SM creates a backup bookmark file.  Is this correct? 


Yes. Bug 226720 and others discuss how to overcome that situation but 
unfortunately there's currently no development in that direction. I for 
one think that the application should take care of bookmarks backup 
itself. If we adopted Firefox's bookmarks backend we'd get backup for 
free but as much as I'd like to see bookmarks backup I don't think that 
should be the main factor in the decision whether to use Places for 
bookmarks in SeaMonkey.



How can this be done?


I like straightforward solutions so I wrote a little batch file 
(doSMbak.bat, but you can name it differently of course) that does what 
I need and placed it on the desktop:


@echo off
E:
cd E:\path\to\my\seamonkey\profile
copy *.html bak
copy *.s bak
copy *.w bak
copy *.mab bak
copy *.db bak
copy *.js bak
copy *.rdf bak
copy *.txt bak
copy *.dat bak
copy hostperm.1 bak

All you need to do is adapt the path (and drive letter) and create a 
directory called "bak" in your profile, then you can start the batch 
file at any time, even while SeaMonkey is running (the bookmarks file is 
written every time you change a bookmark). Even though it's just one 
backup that is overwritten every time it saved me from losing my 
bookmarks several times (my PC is freezing up almost daily). It's also 
really fast. Of course you should do a real backup (full disk/partition, 
incremental or differential etc.), too.


HTH

Jens

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Re: S.M ver 1.1.4

[Dan C]

Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote:

Dan C wrote:

Daniel wrote:

u...@domain.invalid wrote:
All bookmarks suddenly disappeared.  I have XP Pro set to show all 
files

directories and sub directories. Doing a file search for Bookmarks.html
does not turn one up of sufficient size. And the ones that do show are
not related to SM other than the new one it has just created.

I would appreciate counsel and direction.

I do not see that SM creates a backup bookmark file. Is this correct?
How can this be done?

TIA,

Dan C


Dan, SM does not, natively, make backups of your SM files. There are 
some here-abouts that would recommend you use a program call 
"MozBackup" to save all your profile information. Do a search for it!


In SM, have a look at Edit|Mail&Newsgroup Account Settings and select 
"Server Settings" of your Mail account. At the bottom of this screen, 
you should see "Local Directory". This is where your profile (your 
incoming/outgoing emails, etc.) is stored.


Now, whilst still in SM, have a look at Tools|Switch Profiles. Do you 
have more than one profile available?? If so, select the other 
accounts to see if your lost info is in one of the others!


Report back!


Daniel,
Found profile and it seems to be only for Inbox frame.

There is the default and the named profile.  I did initiate the 
default, nothing there but default info and setup and it is not used 
at all, no bookmarks other than canned with program.


Dan


in your profile, do you see a file called bookmark.bak? If so, then 
rename it to bookmark-bak.html, then use the bookmark manager to open 
it, from File, Open.  Do you see the rest of your bookmarks in that file?



No bookmark(s).bak for SM.  There are some for Firefox (I use, wife uses SM)

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Re: S.M ver 1.1.4

[Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo]

Dan C wrote:

Daniel wrote:

u...@domain.invalid wrote:

All bookmarks suddenly disappeared.  I have XP Pro set to show all files
directories and sub directories. Doing a file search for Bookmarks.html
does not turn one up of sufficient size. And the ones that do show are
not related to SM other than the new one it has just created.

I would appreciate counsel and direction.

I do not see that SM creates a backup bookmark file. Is this correct?
How can this be done?

TIA,

Dan C


Dan, SM does not, natively, make backups of your SM files. There are 
some here-abouts that would recommend you use a program call 
"MozBackup" to save all your profile information. Do a search for it!


In SM, have a look at Edit|Mail&Newsgroup Account Settings and select 
"Server Settings" of your Mail account. At the bottom of this screen, 
you should see "Local Directory". This is where your profile (your 
incoming/outgoing emails, etc.) is stored.


Now, whilst still in SM, have a look at Tools|Switch Profiles. Do you 
have more than one profile available?? If so, select the other 
accounts to see if your lost info is in one of the others!


Report back!


Daniel,
Found profile and it seems to be only for Inbox frame.

There is the default and the named profile.  I did initiate the default, 
nothing there but default info and setup and it is not used at all, no 
bookmarks other than canned with program.


Dan


in your profile, do you see a file called bookmark.bak? 
If so, then rename it to bookmark-bak.html, then use 
the bookmark manager to open it, from File, Open.  Do 
you see the rest of your bookmarks in that file?


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Re: S.M ver 1.1.4

[Dan C]

Daniel wrote:

u...@domain.invalid wrote:

All bookmarks suddenly disappeared.  I have XP Pro set to show all files
directories and sub directories. Doing a file search for Bookmarks.html
does not turn one up of sufficient size. And the ones that do show are
not related to SM other than the new one it has just created.

I would appreciate counsel and direction.

I do not see that SM creates a backup bookmark file. Is this correct?
How can this be done?

TIA,

Dan C


Dan, SM does not, natively, make backups of your SM files. There are 
some here-abouts that would recommend you use a program call "MozBackup" 
to save all your profile information. Do a search for it!


In SM, have a look at Edit|Mail&Newsgroup Account Settings and select 
"Server Settings" of your Mail account. At the bottom of this screen, 
you should see "Local Directory". This is where your profile (your 
incoming/outgoing emails, etc.) is stored.


Now, whilst still in SM, have a look at Tools|Switch Profiles. Do you 
have more than one profile available?? If so, select the other accounts 
to see if your lost info is in one of the others!


Report back!


Daniel,
Found profile and it seems to be only for Inbox frame.

There is the default and the named profile.  I did initiate the default, 
nothing there but default info and setup and it is not used at all, no 
bookmarks other than canned with program.


Dan
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Re: S.M ver 1.1.4

[Daniel]

u...@domain.invalid wrote:

All bookmarks suddenly disappeared.  I have XP Pro set to show all files
directories and sub directories. Doing a file search for Bookmarks.html
does not turn one up of sufficient size. And the ones that do show are
not related to SM other than the new one it has just created.

I would appreciate counsel and direction.

I do not see that SM creates a backup bookmark file. Is this correct?
How can this be done?

TIA,

Dan C


Dan, SM does not, natively, make backups of your SM files. There are 
some here-abouts that would recommend you use a program call "MozBackup" 
to save all your profile information. Do a search for it!


In SM, have a look at Edit|Mail&Newsgroup Account Settings and select 
"Server Settings" of your Mail account. At the bottom of this screen, 
you should see "Local Directory". This is where your profile (your 
incoming/outgoing emails, etc.) is stored.


Now, whilst still in SM, have a look at Tools|Switch Profiles. Do you 
have more than one profile available?? If so, select the other accounts 
to see if your lost info is in one of the others!


Report back!

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