Re: [freenet-support] Java announcement

2015-06-25 Thread Steve Dougherty
On 06/12/2015 10:56 PM, blupace wrote:
> Apologies for the delay, I was away from home.
> My installation is in the same directory…

Hm, in that case I don't understand what's going on. I've attached
another version that has some diagnostics on what it's doing. Can you
start the node with this one in a terminal and reply with what it
prints, please?

>> On Jun 9, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Steve Dougherty  wrote:
>>
>> On 06/06/2015 09:14 PM, blupace wrote:
>>> Ok I can start freenet from the script, I still get the java error,
>>> but i guess that will be updated in the new version. Ill play around
>>> with it for a while, if there is any testing you would like me to do
>>> just let me know..
>>
>> Are you using the version of the script I linked to? [0] Sounds like the
>> script is not detecting your modern installation of Java. What version
>> of OS X are you using?
>>
>> On my OS X Yosemite machine my Java 8 installation is in
>> /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin/Contents/Home/
>>
>> Is yours somewhere else?
>>
>>> Im more than happy to support the project any way I can.
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> [0] https://github.com/freenet/java_installer/blob/next/res/unix/run.sh#L133


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Re: [freenet-support] Java announcement

2015-06-08 Thread Steve Dougherty
On 06/06/2015 09:14 PM, blupace wrote:
> Ok I can start freenet from the script, I still get the java error,
> but i guess that will be updated in the new version. Ill play around
> with it for a while, if there is any testing you would like me to do
> just let me know..

Are you using the version of the script I linked to? [0] Sounds like the
script is not detecting your modern installation of Java. What version
of OS X are you using?

On my OS X Yosemite machine my Java 8 installation is in
/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin/Contents/Home/

Is yours somewhere else?

> Im more than happy to support the project any way I can.

Thank you!

[0] https://github.com/freenet/java_installer/blob/next/res/unix/run.sh#L133



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Re: [freenet-support] Java announcement

2015-06-06 Thread Steve Dougherty
I mean cd as in running the command to Change Directory in a terminal, not
a Compact Disc. I will look into getting you a copy of the updated Mac tray
by Monday.

On Sat, Jun 6, 2015, 12:49 PM Dave Larsen  wrote:

> What do you mean (with cd) i dld java and freenet online no cd
>
> On Jun 6, 2015 9:33 AM, "Steve Dougherty"  wrote:
> >
> > You have a way to start Freenet without the tray? Does that not use the
> run.sh? The tray is not strictly necessary, and the currently deployed
> version is out of date. We have a new version of it written but it's not
> deployed yet.
> >
> >
> >
> > You can start Freenet without the tray by opening a terminal, navigating
> to the directory Freenet is installed to (with cd), and running ./run.sh
> start
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2015, 3:33 AM blupace  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey, ,
> >>
> >> So I did a little testing.
> >> It looks like when I exit freenet and also exit the freenet node
> starter, If I then fire up Freenet Tray, the node starter does not start.
> >> How do I initiate the node starter?
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Pace
> >>
> >> > On Jun 5, 2015, at 10:38 PM, Steve Dougherty 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On 06/05/2015 03:09 AM, blupace wrote:
> >> >> Hi, I have just started to follow the freenet project and I am
> testing it on
> >> >> MAC.  Installation goes well, but I always get the error below.
> >> >> I have upgraded to Java version and verified it on the Java
> verification page in
> >> >> the same browser that I use with freenet.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Your Java version 1.6.0_65 is at its "End Of Life" and is no longer
> receiving
> >> >> updates to fix security problems.
> >> >> Freenet will require version 1.7 or higher in a future update, so it
> will stop
> >> >> working with this one.
> >> >> Please upgrade your Java installation.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Any help appreciated.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Pace
> >> >
> >> > This may be something we've fixed in the development version. Does the
> >> > message go away if you shut down Freenet, replace run.sh in the
> >> > directory Freenet is installed to with this file [0], and start
> Freenet
> >> > again? The newer version of the script should be more effective at
> >> > discovering modern Java installations on Macs.
> >> >
> >> > - Steve
> >> >
> >> > [0]
> >> >
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/freenet/java_installer/next/res/unix/run.sh
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [freenet-support] Java announcement

2015-06-06 Thread Dave Larsen
What do you mean (with cd) i dld java and freenet online no cd
On Jun 6, 2015 9:33 AM, "Steve Dougherty"  wrote:
>
> You have a way to start Freenet without the tray? Does that not use the
run.sh? The tray is not strictly necessary, and the currently deployed
version is out of date. We have a new version of it written but it's not
deployed yet.
>
>
>
> You can start Freenet without the tray by opening a terminal, navigating
to the directory Freenet is installed to (with cd), and running ./run.sh
start
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015, 3:33 AM blupace  wrote:
>>
>> Hey, ,
>>
>> So I did a little testing.
>> It looks like when I exit freenet and also exit the freenet node
starter, If I then fire up Freenet Tray, the node starter does not start.
>> How do I initiate the node starter?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Pace
>>
>> > On Jun 5, 2015, at 10:38 PM, Steve Dougherty 
wrote:
>> >
>> > On 06/05/2015 03:09 AM, blupace wrote:
>> >> Hi, I have just started to follow the freenet project and I am
testing it on
>> >> MAC.  Installation goes well, but I always get the error below.
>> >> I have upgraded to Java version and verified it on the Java
verification page in
>> >> the same browser that I use with freenet.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Your Java version 1.6.0_65 is at its "End Of Life" and is no longer
receiving
>> >> updates to fix security problems.
>> >> Freenet will require version 1.7 or higher in a future update, so it
will stop
>> >> working with this one.
>> >> Please upgrade your Java installation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Any help appreciated.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Pace
>> >
>> > This may be something we've fixed in the development version. Does the
>> > message go away if you shut down Freenet, replace run.sh in the
>> > directory Freenet is installed to with this file [0], and start Freenet
>> > again? The newer version of the script should be more effective at
>> > discovering modern Java installations on Macs.
>> >
>> > - Steve
>> >
>> > [0]
>> >
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/freenet/java_installer/next/res/unix/run.sh
>> >
>
>
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Re: [freenet-support] Java announcement

2015-06-06 Thread Steve Dougherty
You have a way to start Freenet without the tray? Does that not use the
run.sh? The tray is not strictly necessary, and the currently deployed
version is out of date. We have a new version of it written but it's not
deployed yet.



You can start Freenet without the tray by opening a terminal, navigating to
the directory Freenet is installed to (with cd), and running ./run.sh start


On Sat, Jun 6, 2015, 3:33 AM blupace  wrote:

Hey, ,

So I did a little testing.
It looks like when I exit freenet and also exit the freenet node starter,
If I then fire up Freenet Tray, the node starter does not start.
How do I initiate the node starter?

Kind regards,

Pace

> On Jun 5, 2015, at 10:38 PM, Steve Dougherty  wrote:
>
> On 06/05/2015 03:09 AM, blupace wrote:
>> Hi, I have just started to follow the freenet project and I am testing
it on
>> MAC.  Installation goes well, but I always get the error below.
>> I have upgraded to Java version and verified it on the Java verification
page in
>> the same browser that I use with freenet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your Java version 1.6.0_65 is at its "End Of Life" and is no longer
receiving
>> updates to fix security problems.
>> Freenet will require version 1.7 or higher in a future update, so it
will stop
>> working with this one.
>> Please upgrade your Java installation.
>>
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Pace
>
> This may be something we've fixed in the development version. Does the
> message go away if you shut down Freenet, replace run.sh in the
> directory Freenet is installed to with this file [0], and start Freenet
> again? The newer version of the script should be more effective at
> discovering modern Java installations on Macs.
>
> - Steve
>
> [0]
>
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/freenet/java_installer/next/res/unix/run.sh
>
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Re: [freenet-support] Java announcement

2015-06-05 Thread Steve Dougherty
On 06/05/2015 03:09 AM, blupace wrote:
> Hi, I have just started to follow the freenet project and I am testing it on 
> MAC.  Installation goes well, but I always get the error below.
> I have upgraded to Java version and verified it on the Java verification page 
> in 
> the same browser that I use with freenet.
> 
> 
> 
> Your Java version 1.6.0_65 is at its "End Of Life" and is no longer receiving 
> updates to fix security problems.
> Freenet will require version 1.7 or higher in a future update, so it will 
> stop 
> working with this one.
> Please upgrade your Java installation.
> 
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> Pace

This may be something we've fixed in the development version. Does the
message go away if you shut down Freenet, replace run.sh in the
directory Freenet is installed to with this file [0], and start Freenet
again? The newer version of the script should be more effective at
discovering modern Java installations on Macs.

- Steve

[0]
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/freenet/java_installer/next/res/unix/run.sh



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Re: [freenet-support] Java dominating

2014-08-15 Thread Dennis New
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:41:53 +, chushingura wrote:
> I downloaded Freenet but I had a problem with Java using 100% of the 
> system and not allowing other programmes (ie Tor) to start. When I 
> killed the Java process it merely started again. I then uninstalled 
> Freenet while I get further infomation. It was running open at the
> time. Any comments would be very welcome PS, I am not a computer
> genius but I try. Chushing.

I think it's normal for the node to use a lot of CPU for a minute or so
at the beginning -- how long does your 100% cpu usage last? How fast is
your CPU?

You can find out what it's doing by looking at the bottom of your
wrapper.log file. Maybe it's resizing your datastore, or doing
something with it. Do you know how big it is?
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Re: [freenet-support] Java is taking 100% of CPU time when running free net service on Linux

2013-02-27 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:41:23 +, e-mail gfs.samara wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I tried many Linux distributions and java version 1.6 and 1.7 with
> same results. When java is run it takes 100% of CPU and the whole OS
> is unusable. Am I doing something wrong? If I shut down freenet all is
> fine.
> 
> Machine icore5 with 4gb of ram and 750 gb hdd  and 60 mb fibre optic
> connection.
> 
> Thanks in advance.

What does your wrapper.log (the end of it) say it's doing? Perhaps it's
cleaning up your datastore, or something. How big did you set your
datastore to be? Also, I think my node also uses 100% at the beginning,
for a minute or so while it starts up. How long does yours stay at 100%
for?

The fact that it renders the rest of your system unusable suggests it
could be using too much IO ... possibly because it's doing some
maintenance on your datastore. You can double check this with "vmstat
5". The bi (bytes in) and bo (bytes out) columns show how much your
system is reading/writing to the disk, and the last column wa shows how
many tasks are waiting in line for IO access.
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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok, FMS crashed node

2010-10-16 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 08 July 2010 15:11:42 you wrote:
> Dennis Nezic schreef:
> 
> > I'm almost certain that error message has nothing to do with FMS :b.
> > One of the good things about FMS is it run as a completely separate
> > process (and more reliably :b). Usually when I used to get "Internal
> > error" messages, it meant my node.db4o was corrupted or something, and
> > I would lose all my download queues. Is this true in your case?
> 
> It is one of the messages that keeps me off the street... yes, it is 
> often corrupted. About every time I get disconnected. Sometimes, only 
> sometimes it does not happen on a deliberate FN restart. Usually I shut 
> Frost off first to prevent that from happening.
> On a winz reboot, I can be almost sure of FN not working anymore.

So you get internal errors when you reboot? Something is severely wrong with 
your system, causing on-disk disk corruption and data loss on reboot. Likely 
not a Freenet issue.
> 
> But if it helps to remove node.db4o.crypt is another issue.
> Now it is Frost that crashes my node, and it's hell once more to get 
> Freenet to connect to anything. Looks like I wind up yet again 
> reinstalling the lot of Freenet. Deleting that file does not help.

This has nothing to do with node.db4o. It is completely unrelated. And you 
haven't given enough information to understand the problem anyway. I.e. what 
happens, what does wrapper.log say etc.
> 
> I take it was FMS not dealing with the mailserver already occupying the 
> webinterface, but seeing how many times I've tried to get FN working, I 
> won't try FMS again soon.
> Were I paid for efforts to get FN working, I had earned enough for a 
> weeks holiday.
> 
> 
> There was an error message I'd not seen before:
> ==
> The auto-updater may have been compromised! We have turned it off for 
> now, please click for more details.
> The auto-updater has been disabled. This might be because of a local 
> problem, such as running out of disk space, or the auto-updating system 
> may have been compromised. The reason is: Permanent error fetching 
> revocation (error inserting the revocation key?): 
> FetchException:Internal error:null:-1:null:false:null:null.
> 
> Happened while only 1 stranger was connected.


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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok, FMS crashed node

2010-07-28 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 08 July 2010 12:05:48 Jep wrote:
> As I'm used to by now, it took multiple efforts to get the new Freenet 
> version 1259 to connect to strangers; it seems to require a complete new 
> install from scratch and no less will do.
> No way of updating works for me, FN has been whirling all night in a 
> loop of restarting the old version and finding that it needs to be updated.
> 
> But I got it working again, and decided to give FMS a try. Dl'd it over 
> FN, started it.
> It gave me a DOS window 'FMS is started'.
> On the config page http://localhost/8080 only a blank page came up.
> The node disconnected immediately; the 'browse FN' page gave:
> 
> 
> Internal error: please report
> 
> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class 
> freenet.support.HTMLEncoder
>   at freenet.l10n.BaseL10n.addL10nSubstitution(BaseL10n.java:495)
>   at 
> freenet.clients.http.WelcomeToadlet.handleMethodGET(WelcomeToadlet.java:459)
>   at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
>   at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
>   at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
>   at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
>   at 
> freenet.clients.http.ToadletContextImpl.handle(ToadletContextImpl.java:534)
>   at 
> freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler.run(SimpleToadletServer.java:794)
>   at 
> freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.realRun(PooledExecutor.java:228)
>   at freenet.support.io.NativeThread.run(NativeThread.java:101)
> 
> and my node restarted again.

That is definitely a low level, local problem: It happens when Java can't 
access the jar file any more.
> 
> I guess FMS conflicted with my mail server, it has a web interface at 
> localhost/8080 that I forgot about.
> Switched it off but it will be a while before I try FMS again. Just 
> figured you want to know about the error.


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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-10 Thread Juiceman
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Matthew Toseland
 wrote:
> You installed it on the same day and yet  the certificate was corrupted?
>
> I wonder if the certificate is wrong in the wininstaller?
>

Yes it is, I emailed you about it.
If you look at the wininstaller the startssl.pem file contains
repeated sections, it looks corrupted to me.

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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

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Matthew Toseland schreef:

You installed it on the same day and yet  the certificate was corrupted?

I wonder if the certificate is wrong in the wininstaller?


That could be a logical conclusion. I took a new installer from 
freenetproject.org each time as update did not work in any way, and I 
was forced to do the install from scratch about every time.
Tried to keep freenet.ini and the data folder and a couple of other 
things but mostly that did not work.


startssl.pem and the other file weren't among those that I tried to keep.

OTOH, what is beyond me is why I appear to be the only one having had 
this problem, reproducable on another machine too.


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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-10 Thread Matthew Toseland
You installed it on the same day and yet  the certificate was corrupted?

I wonder if the certificate is wrong in the wininstaller?


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[my troubles updating solved!]


Just an update for those on the list - it turns out his startssl.pem
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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-08 Thread Juiceman
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Juiceman  wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Jep  wrote:
>> Got a freenet node running for no less than a full week and even the auto
>> update did its job for the first time. Up til now I had to un- and
>> reinstall.
>> It disconnected me still, but deleting node.db4o and persistent-temp while
>> restarting FN was enough to reconnect.
>>
>> I noticed it helps somewhat to limit my downloads to exactly 1, still CPU
>> usage of java is way too high.
>> Allowing java to use only 1 of my dualcore and use of a helper program to
>> set javas priority to 'low' or even throttle the process is not enough to
>> keep cpu cycles consumption at bay.
>>
>> My Freenet install is somehow f%^#ed and I've got no idea how to repair it.
>> Manual update doesn't work at all, it sees not-existing new versions that of
>> course fail to install. Also, an experimental downgrade to see if autoupdate
>> works then did not work out.
>> Tried it on a second box with pretty much a plain vanilla xp sp3 and it
>> gives the same results.
>>
>> No software firewall, ports are checked opened in the hardware router. Sun
>> java 1.6.0_20-b02.
>> 512 mB allocated to FN, besides the wrapper version issue there are no error
>> msgs in the logs. Don't want to mail those because they contain too much
>> ID'ing, the command line update says:
>> - Freenet installation found at []
>> -
>> - Checking for Freenet JAR updates...
>> -
>> - Checking main jar
>>   - New main jar found!
>> - Checking ext jar
>>   - New ext jar found!
>> - Checking wrapper .exe
>>   - New wrapper .exe found!
>> - Checking wrapper .dll
>>   - New wrapper .dll found!
>> - Checking start.exe
>>   - New start.exe found!
>> - Checking stop.exe
>>   - New stop.exe found!
>> - Checking freenettray.exe
>>   - New freenettray.exe found!
>> The system cannot find the path specified.
>> - Checking freenetlauncher.exe
>>   - New freenetlauncher.exe found!
>> -
>> - New Freenet version found!  Installing now...
>> -
>> - Downloading new files...
>> Error while handling the CA :java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger,
>> not an
>>  int 48
>> java.security.cert.CertificateParsingException: java.io.IOException:
>> DerValue.ge
>> tBigInteger, not an int 48
>>        at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.(Unknown Source)
>>        at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.parse(Unknown Source)
>>        at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.(Unknown Source)
>>        at sun.security.provider.X509Factory.parseX509orPKCS7Cert(Unknown
>> Source
>> )
>>        at
>> sun.security.provider.X509Factory.engineGenerateCertificates(Unknown
>> Source)
>>        at java.security.cert.CertificateFactory.generateCertificates(Unknown
>> So
>> urce)
>>        at Sha1Test.main(Sha1Test.java:52)
>> Caused by: java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger, not an int 48
>>        at sun.security.util.DerValue.getBigInteger(Unknown Source)
>>        at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.construct(Unknown Source)
>>        at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
>>        at sun.security.x509.CertificateSerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
>>        at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.parse(Unknown Source)
>>        ... 7 more
>> - Error! Freenet update failed, one or more files didn't download
>> correctly...
>> -
>> - Cleaning up...
>> - Changing file permissions
>> ==

Just an update for those on the list - it turns out his startssl.pem
file was corrupt.  He is now up and running.  =)


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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-08 Thread Jep
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Content preview:  Juiceman schreef: > That leaves the startssl.pem file is 
probably
   corrupt. > > > Backup your copy and try these. The smaller is from my ancient
   but > working install. The larger is from the official code repository for
   > the installer. > [...] 

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That leaves the startssl.pem file is probably corrupt.


Backup your copy and try these.  The smaller is from my ancient but 
working install.  The larger is from the official code repository for 
the installer.




Whew-eee! Guess what? The java errors are gone!

Tried with the small file. At first it updated 
Freenet-stable-snapshot.jar only and gave the 'one or more not dl'd 
correctly' message but no wrong bigintegers and the like.

On second try, this:

- Checking for Freenet JAR updates...
-
- Checking main jar
   - New main jar found!
- Checking ext jar
   - New ext jar found!
- Checking wrapper .exe
   - New wrapper .exe found!
- Checking wrapper .dll
   - New wrapper .dll found!
- Checking start.exe
   - New start.exe found!
- Checking stop.exe
   - New stop.exe found!
- Checking freenettray.exe
   - New freenettray.exe found!
The system cannot find the path specified.
- Checking freenetlauncher.exe
   - New freenetlauncher.exe found!
-
- New Freenet version found!  Installing now...
-
- Downloading new files...
   - Freenet-stable-snapshot.jar downloaded and verified
   - Freenet-ext.jar downloaded and verified
   - wrapper .exe downloaded and verified
   - wrapper .dll downloaded and verified
   - start.exe downloaded and verified
   - stop.exe downloaded and verified
   - freenettray.exe downloaded and verified
   - freenetlauncher.exe downloaded and verified
   - seednodes.fref downloaded and verified
- Backing up files...
-
- Installing new files...
   - Freenet-stable-snapshot.jar copied to freenet.jar
   - Copied updated freenet-ext.jar
   - Copied updated wrapper .exe
   - Copied updated wrapper dll
   - Copied updated start.exe
   - Copied updated stop.exe
   - Copied updated freenetlauncher.exe
   - Copied updated freenettray.exe
   - Copied updated seednodes.fref
-
- Cleaning up...
- Changing file permissions
- Restarting Freenet...
=

and it seems FN was restarted instantly and still connected.

Wonder if it actually restarted.. also wonder how new versions of all 
that can actually be found when I reinstalled everything today. Plus, 
how can a certificate file manage to mangle the entire update process 
like it did.. ok, the last is besides the point, important is that it 
seems that finally, finally update is working! (touch wood)


Third time update.cmd it stated all is current.

I've got good hopes up autoupdate will do its job now too.
Man oh man, has this cost me time...

Thank You, Juiceman!  You're the hero of the day.

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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-08 Thread Jep
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Content preview:  Juiceman schreef: > I just thought of an easier solution.
  The script will check for > sha1test.jar and download it if needed, so all
   you need to do is go > into your Freenet/lib directory and delete 
sha1test.jar
   and run the > update script again. [...] 

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Juiceman schreef:

I just thought of an easier solution.  The script will check for
sha1test.jar and download it if needed, so all you need to do is go
into your Freenet/lib directory and delete sha1test.jar and run the
update script again.


OK! It indeed downs that file successfully, alas the errors remain.
Thx for your ideas still.

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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok, FMS crashed node

2010-07-08 Thread Jep
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Content preview:  Dennis Nezic schreef: > I'm almost certain that error message
   has nothing to do with FMS :b. > One of the good things about FMS is it run
   as a completely separate > process (and more reliably :b). Usually when I
   used to get "Internal > error" messages, it meant my node.db4o was corrupted
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I'm almost certain that error message has nothing to do with FMS :b.
One of the good things about FMS is it run as a completely separate
process (and more reliably :b). Usually when I used to get "Internal
error" messages, it meant my node.db4o was corrupted or something, and
I would lose all my download queues. Is this true in your case?


It is one of the messages that keeps me off the street... yes, it is
often corrupted. About every time I get disconnected. Sometimes, only
sometimes it does not happen on a deliberate FN restart. Usually I shut
Frost off first to prevent that from happening.
On a winz reboot, I can be almost sure of FN not working anymore.

But if it helps to remove node.db4o.crypt is another issue.
Now it is Frost that crashes my node, and it's hell once more to get
Freenet to connect to anything. Looks like I wind up yet again
reinstalling the lot of Freenet. Deleting that file does not help.

I take it was FMS not dealing with the mailserver already occupying the
webinterface, but seeing how many times I've tried to get FN working, I
won't try FMS again soon.
Were I paid for efforts to get FN working, I had earned enough for a
weeks holiday.


There was an error message I'd not seen before:
==
The auto-updater may have been compromised! We have turned it off for
now, please click for more details.
The auto-updater has been disabled. This might be because of a local
problem, such as running out of disk space, or the auto-updating system
may have been compromised. The reason is: Permanent error fetching
revocation (error inserting the revocation key?):
FetchException:Internal error:null:-1:null:false:null:null.

Happened while only 1 stranger was connected.


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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok, FMS crashed node

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   as a completely separate > process (and more reliably :b). Usually when I
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I'm almost certain that error message has nothing to do with FMS :b.
One of the good things about FMS is it run as a completely separate
process (and more reliably :b). Usually when I used to get "Internal
error" messages, it meant my node.db4o was corrupted or something, and
I would lose all my download queues. Is this true in your case?


It is one of the messages that keeps me off the street... yes, it is 
often corrupted. About every time I get disconnected. Sometimes, only 
sometimes it does not happen on a deliberate FN restart. Usually I shut 
Frost off first to prevent that from happening.

On a winz reboot, I can be almost sure of FN not working anymore.

But if it helps to remove node.db4o.crypt is another issue.
Now it is Frost that crashes my node, and it's hell once more to get 
Freenet to connect to anything. Looks like I wind up yet again 
reinstalling the lot of Freenet. Deleting that file does not help.


I take it was FMS not dealing with the mailserver already occupying the 
webinterface, but seeing how many times I've tried to get FN working, I 
won't try FMS again soon.
Were I paid for efforts to get FN working, I had earned enough for a 
weeks holiday.



There was an error message I'd not seen before:
==
The auto-updater may have been compromised! We have turned it off for 
now, please click for more details.
The auto-updater has been disabled. This might be because of a local 
problem, such as running out of disk space, or the auto-updating system 
may have been compromised. The reason is: Permanent error fetching 
revocation (error inserting the revocation key?): 
FetchException:Internal error:null:-1:null:false:null:null.


Happened while only 1 stranger was connected.

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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok, FMS crashed node

2010-07-08 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:05:48 +0200, Jep wrote:
> As I'm used to by now, it took multiple efforts to get the new
> Freenet version 1259 to connect to strangers; it seems to require a
> complete new install from scratch and no less will do.
> No way of updating works for me, FN has been whirling all night in a 
> loop of restarting the old version and finding that it needs to be
> updated.
> 
> But I got it working again, and decided to give FMS a try. Dl'd it
> over FN, started it.
> It gave me a DOS window 'FMS is started'.
> On the config page http://localhost/8080 only a blank page came up.
> The node disconnected immediately; the 'browse FN' page gave:
> 
> 
> Internal error: please report
> 
> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class 
> freenet.support.HTMLEncoder
>   at freenet.l10n.BaseL10n.addL10nSubstitution
> (BaseL10n.java:495) at 
> freenet.clients.http.WelcomeToadlet.handleMethodGET
> (WelcomeToadlet.java:459) at
> sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at
> sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source) at
> java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source) at 
> freenet.clients.http.ToadletContextImpl.handle
> (ToadletContextImpl.java:534) at 
> freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler.run
> (SimpleToadletServer.java:794) at freenet.support.PooledExecutor
> $MyThread.realRun(PooledExecutor.java:228) at
> freenet.support.io.NativeThread.run(NativeThread.java:101)
> 
> and my node restarted again.
> 
> I guess FMS conflicted with my mail server, it has a web interface at 
> localhost/8080 that I forgot about.
> Switched it off but it will be a while before I try FMS again. Just 
> figured you want to know about the error.

I'm almost certain that error message has nothing to do with FMS :b.
One of the good things about FMS is it run as a completely separate
process (and more reliably :b). Usually when I used to get "Internal
error" messages, it meant my node.db4o was corrupted or something, and
I would lose all my download queues. Is this true in your case?
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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok, FMS crashed node, and now Frost as well

2010-07-08 Thread Jep

Jep schreef:
[FMS crashed FN, probably due to mail server interface]


A yet new way of the node disconnecting. I was used to Frost remembering 
what I was downloading, but now also starting Frost crashes it.

 I'll try it again with all downz/uploads removed.

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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok, FMS crashed node

2010-07-08 Thread Jep
As I'm used to by now, it took multiple efforts to get the new Freenet 
version 1259 to connect to strangers; it seems to require a complete new 
install from scratch and no less will do.
No way of updating works for me, FN has been whirling all night in a 
loop of restarting the old version and finding that it needs to be updated.


But I got it working again, and decided to give FMS a try. Dl'd it over 
FN, started it.

It gave me a DOS window 'FMS is started'.
On the config page http://localhost/8080 only a blank page came up.
The node disconnected immediately; the 'browse FN' page gave:


Internal error: please report

java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Could not initialize class 
freenet.support.HTMLEncoder

at freenet.l10n.BaseL10n.addL10nSubstitution(BaseL10n.java:495)
	at 
freenet.clients.http.WelcomeToadlet.handleMethodGET(WelcomeToadlet.java:459)

at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Unknown Source)
	at 
freenet.clients.http.ToadletContextImpl.handle(ToadletContextImpl.java:534)
	at 
freenet.clients.http.SimpleToadletServer$SocketHandler.run(SimpleToadletServer.java:794)

at 
freenet.support.PooledExecutor$MyThread.realRun(PooledExecutor.java:228)
at freenet.support.io.NativeThread.run(NativeThread.java:101)

and my node restarted again.

I guess FMS conflicted with my mail server, it has a web interface at 
localhost/8080 that I forgot about.
Switched it off but it will be a while before I try FMS again. Just 
figured you want to know about the error.


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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-07 Thread Jep

Juiceman schreef:

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Jep  wrote:

Got a freenet node running for no less than a full week and even the auto
update did its job for the first time. Up til now I had to un- and
reinstall.
It disconnected me still, but deleting node.db4o and persistent-temp while
restarting FN was enough to reconnect.

I noticed it helps somewhat to limit my downloads to exactly 1, still CPU
usage of java is way too high.
Allowing java to use only 1 of my dualcore and use of a helper program to
set javas priority to 'low' or even throttle the process is not enough to
keep cpu cycles consumption at bay.

My Freenet install is somehow f%^#ed and I've got no idea how to repair it.
Manual update doesn't work at all, it sees not-existing new versions that of
course fail to install. Also, an experimental downgrade to see if autoupdate
works then did not work out.
Tried it on a second box with pretty much a plain vanilla xp sp3 and it
gives the same results.

No software firewall, ports are checked opened in the hardware router. Sun
java 1.6.0_20-b02.
512 mB allocated to FN, besides the wrapper version issue there are no error
msgs in the logs. Don't want to mail those because they contain too much
ID'ing, the command line update says:
- Freenet installation found at []
-
- Checking for Freenet JAR updates...
-
- Checking main jar
  - New main jar found!
- Checking ext jar
  - New ext jar found!
- Checking wrapper .exe
  - New wrapper .exe found!
- Checking wrapper .dll
  - New wrapper .dll found!
- Checking start.exe
  - New start.exe found!
- Checking stop.exe
  - New stop.exe found!
- Checking freenettray.exe
  - New freenettray.exe found!
The system cannot find the path specified.
- Checking freenetlauncher.exe
  - New freenetlauncher.exe found!
-
- New Freenet version found!  Installing now...
-
- Downloading new files...
Error while handling the CA :java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger,
not an
 int 48
java.security.cert.CertificateParsingException: java.io.IOException:
DerValue.ge
tBigInteger, not an int 48
   at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.(Unknown Source)
   at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.parse(Unknown Source)
   at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.(Unknown Source)
   at sun.security.provider.X509Factory.parseX509orPKCS7Cert(Unknown
Source
)
   at
sun.security.provider.X509Factory.engineGenerateCertificates(Unknown
Source)
   at java.security.cert.CertificateFactory.generateCertificates(Unknown
So
urce)
   at Sha1Test.main(Sha1Test.java:52)
Caused by: java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger, not an int 48
   at sun.security.util.DerValue.getBigInteger(Unknown Source)
   at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.construct(Unknown Source)
   at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
   at sun.security.x509.CertificateSerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
   at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.parse(Unknown Source)
   ... 7 more
- Error! Freenet update failed, one or more files didn't download
correctly...
-
- Cleaning up...
- Changing file permissions
==

Any suggestion? Thanks.


Try it now, looks like Toad may have fixed something on the server side.


No dice, it keeps on seeing new versions of everything, same errors.

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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-07 Thread Juiceman
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 6:50 AM, Jep  wrote:
> Got a freenet node running for no less than a full week and even the auto
> update did its job for the first time. Up til now I had to un- and
> reinstall.
> It disconnected me still, but deleting node.db4o and persistent-temp while
> restarting FN was enough to reconnect.
>
> I noticed it helps somewhat to limit my downloads to exactly 1, still CPU
> usage of java is way too high.
> Allowing java to use only 1 of my dualcore and use of a helper program to
> set javas priority to 'low' or even throttle the process is not enough to
> keep cpu cycles consumption at bay.
>
> My Freenet install is somehow f%^#ed and I've got no idea how to repair it.
> Manual update doesn't work at all, it sees not-existing new versions that of
> course fail to install. Also, an experimental downgrade to see if autoupdate
> works then did not work out.
> Tried it on a second box with pretty much a plain vanilla xp sp3 and it
> gives the same results.
>
> No software firewall, ports are checked opened in the hardware router. Sun
> java 1.6.0_20-b02.
> 512 mB allocated to FN, besides the wrapper version issue there are no error
> msgs in the logs. Don't want to mail those because they contain too much
> ID'ing, the command line update says:
> - Freenet installation found at []
> -
> - Checking for Freenet JAR updates...
> -
> - Checking main jar
>   - New main jar found!
> - Checking ext jar
>   - New ext jar found!
> - Checking wrapper .exe
>   - New wrapper .exe found!
> - Checking wrapper .dll
>   - New wrapper .dll found!
> - Checking start.exe
>   - New start.exe found!
> - Checking stop.exe
>   - New stop.exe found!
> - Checking freenettray.exe
>   - New freenettray.exe found!
> The system cannot find the path specified.
> - Checking freenetlauncher.exe
>   - New freenetlauncher.exe found!
> -
> - New Freenet version found!  Installing now...
> -
> - Downloading new files...
> Error while handling the CA :java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger,
> not an
>  int 48
> java.security.cert.CertificateParsingException: java.io.IOException:
> DerValue.ge
> tBigInteger, not an int 48
>        at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.(Unknown Source)
>        at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.parse(Unknown Source)
>        at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.(Unknown Source)
>        at sun.security.provider.X509Factory.parseX509orPKCS7Cert(Unknown
> Source
> )
>        at
> sun.security.provider.X509Factory.engineGenerateCertificates(Unknown
> Source)
>        at java.security.cert.CertificateFactory.generateCertificates(Unknown
> So
> urce)
>        at Sha1Test.main(Sha1Test.java:52)
> Caused by: java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger, not an int 48
>        at sun.security.util.DerValue.getBigInteger(Unknown Source)
>        at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.construct(Unknown Source)
>        at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
>        at sun.security.x509.CertificateSerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
>        at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.parse(Unknown Source)
>        ... 7 more
> - Error! Freenet update failed, one or more files didn't download
> correctly...
> -
> - Cleaning up...
> - Changing file permissions
> ==
>
> Any suggestion? Thanks.

Try it now, looks like Toad may have fixed something on the server side.

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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-07 Thread Jep

Matthew Toseland schreef:

On Sunday 04 July 2010 13:37:06 Jep wrote:

Dennis Nezic schreef:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:08:52 +0200, Jep wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:50:00 +0200, Jep wrote:

Got a freenet node running for no less than a full week and even
the auto update did its job for the first time. Up til now I had
to un- and reinstall.
It disconnected me still, but deleting node.db4o and
persistent-temp while restarting FN was enough to reconnect.

I noticed it helps somewhat to limit my downloads to exactly 1,
still CPU usage of java is way too high.
Allowing java to use only 1 of my dualcore and use of a helper
program to set javas priority to 'low' or even throttle the process
is not enough to keep cpu cycles consumption at bay.

My Freenet install is somehow f%^#ed and I've got no idea how to
repair it. Manual update doesn't work at all, it sees not-existing
new versions that of course fail to install. Also, an experimental
downgrade to see if autoupdate works then did not work out.
Tried it on a second box with pretty much a plain vanilla xp sp3
and it gives the same results.

No software firewall, ports are checked opened in the hardware
router. Sun java 1.6.0_20-b02.
512 mB allocated to FN, besides the wrapper version issue there are
no error msgs in the logs. Don't want to mail those because they
contain too much ID'ing, the command line update says:
- Freenet installation found at []
-
- Checking for Freenet JAR updates...
-
- Checking main jar
- New main jar found!
- Checking ext jar
- New ext jar found!
- Checking wrapper .exe
- New wrapper .exe found!
- Checking wrapper .dll
- New wrapper .dll found!
- Checking start.exe
- New start.exe found!
- Checking stop.exe
- New stop.exe found!
- Checking freenettray.exe
- New freenettray.exe found!
The system cannot find the path specified.
- Checking freenetlauncher.exe
- New freenetlauncher.exe found!
-
- New Freenet version found!  Installing now...
-
- Downloading new files...
Error while handling the CA :java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger, not an
  int 48
java.security.cert.CertificateParsingException:
java.io.IOException: DerValue.ge
tBigInteger, not an int 48
 at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.parse(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.provider.X509Factory.parseX509orPKCS7Cert(Unknown
Source )
 at sun.security.provider.X509Factory.engineGenerateCertificates
(Unknown Source)
 at java.security.cert.CertificateFactory.generateCertificates(Unknown
So urce)
 at Sha1Test.main(Sha1Test.java:52)
Caused by: java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger, not an int
48 at sun.security.util.DerValue.getBigInteger(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.construct(Unknown
Source) at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.CertificateSerialNumber.
(Unknown Source) at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.parse(Unknown
Source) ... 7 more
- Error! Freenet update failed, one or more files didn't download correctly...
-
- Cleaning up...
- Changing file permissions
==

Any suggestion? Thanks.

Dennis Nezic schreef:

What's the name of that java profiling program that profiles which
functions all the cpu work is going into? :P

(Also, during the high-cpu periods, how much memory (out of your
512mb) is being used?)

It's a winz utility called 'Process Lasso', an extended task manager, not 
something aimed at particularly java. Another one I've used in
the past is freeware; 'Process Tamer'. Both help to keep my box at
least useable to some extent while java is claiming the whole machine.
Both allow for setting priority of apps. PL has added functions like average 
CPU consumption of a process over time. Of java that's 43%,
so very near to the 50% max (1 core of 2).
It is not a memory issue it seems. Java takes 103,500 K now.
At this moment there's yet another FN version out and update didn't
do its job again so Freenet is disconnected & it's back to
re-installing once more.

There should be other profiling apps that actually debug the program's
(freenet's) internal functions -- to see whether the cpu is doing
garbage collection work, or other dumb things :) .

Thanks for your response, Dennis.

I doubt I can do much with debugging, I am not a programmer. What would be a 
tool to search for?
Am already using JavaRa for cleaning up old versions of Java.

Any other tips on what I can do to get a functioning node that does update and 
doesn't try to take over my machine?

The new 1258 forced me to wipe the entire FN install once more, including the 
whole data folder this time, in order to get FN to connect to strangers. Even 
just keeping freenet.ini was enough to let FN sitting there connecting to 0.
What I find strange is that I seem to have a unique problem, I see no one else 
with something 

Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-06 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Sunday 04 July 2010 13:37:06 Jep wrote:
> Dennis Nezic schreef:
> > On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:08:52 +0200, Jep wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:50:00 +0200, Jep wrote:
>  Got a freenet node running for no less than a full week and even
>  the auto update did its job for the first time. Up til now I had
>  to un- and reinstall.
>  It disconnected me still, but deleting node.db4o and
>  persistent-temp while restarting FN was enough to reconnect.
> 
>  I noticed it helps somewhat to limit my downloads to exactly 1,
>  still CPU usage of java is way too high.
>  Allowing java to use only 1 of my dualcore and use of a helper
>  program to set javas priority to 'low' or even throttle the process
>  is not enough to keep cpu cycles consumption at bay.
> 
>  My Freenet install is somehow f%^#ed and I've got no idea how to
>  repair it. Manual update doesn't work at all, it sees not-existing
>  new versions that of course fail to install. Also, an experimental
>  downgrade to see if autoupdate works then did not work out.
>  Tried it on a second box with pretty much a plain vanilla xp sp3
>  and it gives the same results.
> 
>  No software firewall, ports are checked opened in the hardware
>  router. Sun java 1.6.0_20-b02.
>  512 mB allocated to FN, besides the wrapper version issue there are
>  no error msgs in the logs. Don't want to mail those because they
>  contain too much ID'ing, the command line update says:
>  - Freenet installation found at []
>  -
>  - Checking for Freenet JAR updates...
>  -
>  - Checking main jar
>  - New main jar found!
>  - Checking ext jar
>  - New ext jar found!
>  - Checking wrapper .exe
>  - New wrapper .exe found!
>  - Checking wrapper .dll
>  - New wrapper .dll found!
>  - Checking start.exe
>  - New start.exe found!
>  - Checking stop.exe
>  - New stop.exe found!
>  - Checking freenettray.exe
>  - New freenettray.exe found!
>  The system cannot find the path specified.
>  - Checking freenetlauncher.exe
>  - New freenetlauncher.exe found!
>  -
>  - New Freenet version found!  Installing now...
>  -
>  - Downloading new files...
>  Error while handling the CA :java.io.IOException: 
>  DerValue.getBigInteger, not an
>    int 48
>  java.security.cert.CertificateParsingException:
>  java.io.IOException: DerValue.ge
>  tBigInteger, not an int 48
>   at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.(Unknown Source)
>   at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.parse(Unknown Source)
>   at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.(Unknown Source)
>   at 
>  sun.security.provider.X509Factory.parseX509orPKCS7Cert(Unknown
>  Source )
>   at 
>  sun.security.provider.X509Factory.engineGenerateCertificates
>  (Unknown Source)
>   at 
>  java.security.cert.CertificateFactory.generateCertificates(Unknown
>  So urce)
>   at Sha1Test.main(Sha1Test.java:52)
>  Caused by: java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger, not an int
>  48 at sun.security.util.DerValue.getBigInteger(Unknown Source)
>   at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.construct(Unknown
>  Source) at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
>   at sun.security.x509.CertificateSerialNumber.
>  (Unknown Source) at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.parse(Unknown
>  Source) ... 7 more
>  - Error! Freenet update failed, one or more files didn't download 
>  correctly...
>  -
>  - Cleaning up...
>  - Changing file permissions
>  ==
> 
>  Any suggestion? Thanks.
> >> Dennis Nezic schreef:
> >>> What's the name of that java profiling program that profiles which
> >>> functions all the cpu work is going into? :P
> >>>
> >>> (Also, during the high-cpu periods, how much memory (out of your
> >>> 512mb) is being used?)
> >> It's a winz utility called 'Process Lasso', an extended task manager, 
> >> not something aimed at particularly java. Another one I've used in
> >> the past is freeware; 'Process Tamer'. Both help to keep my box at
> >> least useable to some extent while java is claiming the whole machine.
> >> Both allow for setting priority of apps. PL has added functions like 
> >> average CPU consumption of a process over time. Of java that's 43%,
> >> so very near to the 50% max (1 core of 2).
> >> It is not a memory issue it seems. Java takes 103,500 K now.
> >> At this moment there's yet another FN version out and update didn't
> >> do its job again so Freenet is disconnected & it's back to
> >> re-installing once more.
> > 
> > There should be other profiling apps that actually debug the program's
> > (freenet's) internal functions -- to see whether the cpu is doing
> > garbage collection work, or othe

Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-04 Thread Jep

Dennis Nezic schreef:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:08:52 +0200, Jep wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:50:00 +0200, Jep wrote:

Got a freenet node running for no less than a full week and even
the auto update did its job for the first time. Up til now I had
to un- and reinstall.
It disconnected me still, but deleting node.db4o and
persistent-temp while restarting FN was enough to reconnect.

I noticed it helps somewhat to limit my downloads to exactly 1,
still CPU usage of java is way too high.
Allowing java to use only 1 of my dualcore and use of a helper
program to set javas priority to 'low' or even throttle the process
is not enough to keep cpu cycles consumption at bay.

My Freenet install is somehow f%^#ed and I've got no idea how to
repair it. Manual update doesn't work at all, it sees not-existing
new versions that of course fail to install. Also, an experimental
downgrade to see if autoupdate works then did not work out.
Tried it on a second box with pretty much a plain vanilla xp sp3
and it gives the same results.

No software firewall, ports are checked opened in the hardware
router. Sun java 1.6.0_20-b02.
512 mB allocated to FN, besides the wrapper version issue there are
no error msgs in the logs. Don't want to mail those because they
contain too much ID'ing, the command line update says:
- Freenet installation found at []
-
- Checking for Freenet JAR updates...
-
- Checking main jar
- New main jar found!
- Checking ext jar
- New ext jar found!
- Checking wrapper .exe
- New wrapper .exe found!
- Checking wrapper .dll
- New wrapper .dll found!
- Checking start.exe
- New start.exe found!
- Checking stop.exe
- New stop.exe found!
- Checking freenettray.exe
- New freenettray.exe found!
The system cannot find the path specified.
- Checking freenetlauncher.exe
- New freenetlauncher.exe found!
-
- New Freenet version found!  Installing now...
-
- Downloading new files...
Error while handling the CA :java.io.IOException: 
DerValue.getBigInteger, not an

  int 48
java.security.cert.CertificateParsingException:
java.io.IOException: DerValue.ge
tBigInteger, not an int 48
 at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.parse(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.(Unknown Source)
 at 
sun.security.provider.X509Factory.parseX509orPKCS7Cert(Unknown

Source )
 at 
sun.security.provider.X509Factory.engineGenerateCertificates

(Unknown Source)
 at 
java.security.cert.CertificateFactory.generateCertificates(Unknown

So urce)
 at Sha1Test.main(Sha1Test.java:52)
Caused by: java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger, not an int
48 at sun.security.util.DerValue.getBigInteger(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.construct(Unknown
Source) at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.CertificateSerialNumber.
(Unknown Source) at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.parse(Unknown
Source) ... 7 more
- Error! Freenet update failed, one or more files didn't download 
correctly...

-
- Cleaning up...
- Changing file permissions
==

Any suggestion? Thanks.

Dennis Nezic schreef:

What's the name of that java profiling program that profiles which
functions all the cpu work is going into? :P

(Also, during the high-cpu periods, how much memory (out of your
512mb) is being used?)
It's a winz utility called 'Process Lasso', an extended task manager, 
not something aimed at particularly java. Another one I've used in

the past is freeware; 'Process Tamer'. Both help to keep my box at
least useable to some extent while java is claiming the whole machine.
Both allow for setting priority of apps. PL has added functions like 
average CPU consumption of a process over time. Of java that's 43%,

so very near to the 50% max (1 core of 2).
It is not a memory issue it seems. Java takes 103,500 K now.
At this moment there's yet another FN version out and update didn't
do its job again so Freenet is disconnected & it's back to
re-installing once more.


There should be other profiling apps that actually debug the program's
(freenet's) internal functions -- to see whether the cpu is doing
garbage collection work, or other dumb things :).


Thanks for your response, Dennis.

I doubt I can do much with debugging, I am not a programmer. What would 
be a tool to search for?

Am already using JavaRa for cleaning up old versions of Java.

Any other tips on what I can do to get a functioning node that does 
update and doesn't try to take over my machine?


The new 1258 forced me to wipe the entire FN install once more, 
including the whole data folder this time, in order to get FN to connect 
to strangers. Even just keeping freenet.ini was enough to let FN sitting 
there connecting to 0.
What I find strange is that I seem to have a unique problem, I see no 
one else with something similar. And there is nothing unusual with my 
hardware 

Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-03 Thread Dennis Nezic
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:08:52 +0200, Jep wrote:
> > On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:50:00 +0200, Jep wrote:
> >> Got a freenet node running for no less than a full week and even
> >> the auto update did its job for the first time. Up til now I had
> >> to un- and reinstall.
> >> It disconnected me still, but deleting node.db4o and
> >> persistent-temp while restarting FN was enough to reconnect.
> >>
> >> I noticed it helps somewhat to limit my downloads to exactly 1,
> >> still CPU usage of java is way too high.
> >> Allowing java to use only 1 of my dualcore and use of a helper
> >> program to set javas priority to 'low' or even throttle the process
> >> is not enough to keep cpu cycles consumption at bay.
> >>
> >> My Freenet install is somehow f%^#ed and I've got no idea how to
> >> repair it. Manual update doesn't work at all, it sees not-existing
> >> new versions that of course fail to install. Also, an experimental
> >> downgrade to see if autoupdate works then did not work out.
> >> Tried it on a second box with pretty much a plain vanilla xp sp3
> >> and it gives the same results.
> >>
> >> No software firewall, ports are checked opened in the hardware
> >> router. Sun java 1.6.0_20-b02.
> >> 512 mB allocated to FN, besides the wrapper version issue there are
> >> no error msgs in the logs. Don't want to mail those because they
> >> contain too much ID'ing, the command line update says:
> >> - Freenet installation found at []
> >> -
> >> - Checking for Freenet JAR updates...
> >> -
> >> - Checking main jar
> >> - New main jar found!
> >> - Checking ext jar
> >> - New ext jar found!
> >> - Checking wrapper .exe
> >> - New wrapper .exe found!
> >> - Checking wrapper .dll
> >> - New wrapper .dll found!
> >> - Checking start.exe
> >> - New start.exe found!
> >> - Checking stop.exe
> >> - New stop.exe found!
> >> - Checking freenettray.exe
> >> - New freenettray.exe found!
> >> The system cannot find the path specified.
> >> - Checking freenetlauncher.exe
> >> - New freenetlauncher.exe found!
> >> -
> >> - New Freenet version found!  Installing now...
> >> -
> >> - Downloading new files...
> >> Error while handling the CA :java.io.IOException: 
> >> DerValue.getBigInteger, not an
> >>   int 48
> >> java.security.cert.CertificateParsingException:
> >> java.io.IOException: DerValue.ge
> >> tBigInteger, not an int 48
> >>  at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.(Unknown Source)
> >>  at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.parse(Unknown Source)
> >>  at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.(Unknown Source)
> >>  at 
> >> sun.security.provider.X509Factory.parseX509orPKCS7Cert(Unknown
> >> Source )
> >>  at 
> >> sun.security.provider.X509Factory.engineGenerateCertificates
> >> (Unknown Source)
> >>  at 
> >> java.security.cert.CertificateFactory.generateCertificates(Unknown
> >> So urce)
> >>  at Sha1Test.main(Sha1Test.java:52)
> >> Caused by: java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger, not an int
> >> 48 at sun.security.util.DerValue.getBigInteger(Unknown Source)
> >>  at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.construct(Unknown
> >> Source) at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
> >>  at sun.security.x509.CertificateSerialNumber.
> >> (Unknown Source) at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.parse(Unknown
> >> Source) ... 7 more
> >> - Error! Freenet update failed, one or more files didn't download 
> >> correctly...
> >> -
> >> - Cleaning up...
> >> - Changing file permissions
> >> ==
> >>
> >> Any suggestion? Thanks.
> 
> Dennis Nezic schreef:
> > What's the name of that java profiling program that profiles which
> > functions all the cpu work is going into? :P
> > 
> > (Also, during the high-cpu periods, how much memory (out of your
> > 512mb) is being used?)
> 
> It's a winz utility called 'Process Lasso', an extended task manager, 
> not something aimed at particularly java. Another one I've used in
> the past is freeware; 'Process Tamer'. Both help to keep my box at
> least useable to some extent while java is claiming the whole machine.
> Both allow for setting priority of apps. PL has added functions like 
> average CPU consumption of a process over time. Of java that's 43%,
> so very near to the 50% max (1 core of 2).
> It is not a memory issue it seems. Java takes 103,500 K now.
> At this moment there's yet another FN version out and update didn't
> do its job again so Freenet is disconnected & it's back to
> re-installing once more.

There should be other profiling apps that actually debug the program's
(freenet's) internal functions -- to see whether the cpu is doing
garbage collection work, or other dumb things :).
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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-03 Thread Jep

On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:50:00 +0200, Jep wrote:
Got a freenet node running for no less than a full week and even the 
auto update did its job for the first time. Up til now I had to un-

and reinstall.
It disconnected me still, but deleting node.db4o and persistent-temp 
while restarting FN was enough to reconnect.


I noticed it helps somewhat to limit my downloads to exactly 1, still 
CPU usage of java is way too high.

Allowing java to use only 1 of my dualcore and use of a helper
program to set javas priority to 'low' or even throttle the process
is not enough to keep cpu cycles consumption at bay.

My Freenet install is somehow f%^#ed and I've got no idea how to
repair it. Manual update doesn't work at all, it sees not-existing
new versions that of course fail to install. Also, an experimental
downgrade to see if autoupdate works then did not work out.
Tried it on a second box with pretty much a plain vanilla xp sp3 and
it gives the same results.

No software firewall, ports are checked opened in the hardware
router. Sun java 1.6.0_20-b02.
512 mB allocated to FN, besides the wrapper version issue there are
no error msgs in the logs. Don't want to mail those because they
contain too much ID'ing, the command line update says:
- Freenet installation found at []
-
- Checking for Freenet JAR updates...
-
- Checking main jar
- New main jar found!
- Checking ext jar
- New ext jar found!
- Checking wrapper .exe
- New wrapper .exe found!
- Checking wrapper .dll
- New wrapper .dll found!
- Checking start.exe
- New start.exe found!
- Checking stop.exe
- New stop.exe found!
- Checking freenettray.exe
- New freenettray.exe found!
The system cannot find the path specified.
- Checking freenetlauncher.exe
- New freenetlauncher.exe found!
-
- New Freenet version found!  Installing now...
-
- Downloading new files...
Error while handling the CA :java.io.IOException: 
DerValue.getBigInteger, not an

  int 48
java.security.cert.CertificateParsingException: java.io.IOException: 
DerValue.ge

tBigInteger, not an int 48
 at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.parse(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.(Unknown Source)
 at 
sun.security.provider.X509Factory.parseX509orPKCS7Cert(Unknown Source

)
 at 
sun.security.provider.X509Factory.engineGenerateCertificates(Unknown

Source)
 at 
java.security.cert.CertificateFactory.generateCertificates(Unknown So

urce)
 at Sha1Test.main(Sha1Test.java:52)
Caused by: java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger, not an int 48
 at sun.security.util.DerValue.getBigInteger(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.construct(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
 at sun.security.x509.CertificateSerialNumber.(Unknown
Source) at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.parse(Unknown Source)
 ... 7 more
- Error! Freenet update failed, one or more files didn't download 
correctly...

-
- Cleaning up...
- Changing file permissions
==

Any suggestion? Thanks.


Dennis Nezic schreef:

What's the name of that java profiling program that profiles which
functions all the cpu work is going into? :P

(Also, during the high-cpu periods, how much memory (out of your 512mb)
is being used?)


It's a winz utility called 'Process Lasso', an extended task manager, 
not something aimed at particularly java. Another one I've used in the 
past is freeware; 'Process Tamer'. Both help to keep my box at least 
useable to some extent while java is claiming the whole machine.
Both allow for setting priority of apps. PL has added functions like 
average CPU consumption of a process over time. Of java that's 43%, so 
very near to the 50% max (1 core of 2).

It is not a memory issue it seems. Java takes 103,500 K now.
At this moment there's yet another FN version out and update didn't do 
its job again so Freenet is disconnected & it's back to re-installing 
once more.


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Re: [freenet-support] Java cpu usage running amok

2010-07-03 Thread Dennis Nezic
What's the name of that java profiling program that profiles which
functions all the cpu work is going into? :P

(Also, during the high-cpu periods, how much memory (out of your 512mb)
is being used?)


On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 12:50:00 +0200, Jep wrote:
> Got a freenet node running for no less than a full week and even the 
> auto update did its job for the first time. Up til now I had to un-
> and reinstall.
> It disconnected me still, but deleting node.db4o and persistent-temp 
> while restarting FN was enough to reconnect.
> 
> I noticed it helps somewhat to limit my downloads to exactly 1, still 
> CPU usage of java is way too high.
> Allowing java to use only 1 of my dualcore and use of a helper
> program to set javas priority to 'low' or even throttle the process
> is not enough to keep cpu cycles consumption at bay.
> 
> My Freenet install is somehow f%^#ed and I've got no idea how to
> repair it. Manual update doesn't work at all, it sees not-existing
> new versions that of course fail to install. Also, an experimental
> downgrade to see if autoupdate works then did not work out.
> Tried it on a second box with pretty much a plain vanilla xp sp3 and
> it gives the same results.
> 
> No software firewall, ports are checked opened in the hardware
> router. Sun java 1.6.0_20-b02.
> 512 mB allocated to FN, besides the wrapper version issue there are
> no error msgs in the logs. Don't want to mail those because they
> contain too much ID'ing, the command line update says:
> - Freenet installation found at []
> -
> - Checking for Freenet JAR updates...
> -
> - Checking main jar
> - New main jar found!
> - Checking ext jar
> - New ext jar found!
> - Checking wrapper .exe
> - New wrapper .exe found!
> - Checking wrapper .dll
> - New wrapper .dll found!
> - Checking start.exe
> - New start.exe found!
> - Checking stop.exe
> - New stop.exe found!
> - Checking freenettray.exe
> - New freenettray.exe found!
> The system cannot find the path specified.
> - Checking freenetlauncher.exe
> - New freenetlauncher.exe found!
> -
> - New Freenet version found!  Installing now...
> -
> - Downloading new files...
> Error while handling the CA :java.io.IOException: 
> DerValue.getBigInteger, not an
>   int 48
> java.security.cert.CertificateParsingException: java.io.IOException: 
> DerValue.ge
> tBigInteger, not an int 48
>  at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.(Unknown Source)
>  at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.parse(Unknown Source)
>  at sun.security.x509.X509CertImpl.(Unknown Source)
>  at 
> sun.security.provider.X509Factory.parseX509orPKCS7Cert(Unknown Source
> )
>  at 
> sun.security.provider.X509Factory.engineGenerateCertificates(Unknown
> Source)
>  at 
> java.security.cert.CertificateFactory.generateCertificates(Unknown So
> urce)
>  at Sha1Test.main(Sha1Test.java:52)
> Caused by: java.io.IOException: DerValue.getBigInteger, not an int 48
>  at sun.security.util.DerValue.getBigInteger(Unknown Source)
>  at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.construct(Unknown Source)
>  at sun.security.x509.SerialNumber.(Unknown Source)
>  at sun.security.x509.CertificateSerialNumber.(Unknown
> Source) at sun.security.x509.X509CertInfo.parse(Unknown Source)
>  ... 7 more
> - Error! Freenet update failed, one or more files didn't download 
> correctly...
> -
> - Cleaning up...
> - Changing file permissions
> ==
> 
> Any suggestion? Thanks.
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] java

2010-04-02 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 16 January 2010 07:24:43 terry wrote:
> Hi :)
> I just installed latest freenet.
> After setup I get error messages telling me to update my java. I  
> updated(now 6.17) and rebooted.

It is possible it is still using the old version of Java. I suggest you remove 
all versions of Java, install the latest (1.6), and then if it is still having 
problems maybe reinstall Freenet from the website (the new installer has better 
auto-detection).

> I also get error messages about plugins not loading.
> "The plugin ThawIndexBrowser could not be loaded: unexpected error while  
> plugin loading freenet.pluginmanager.PluginNotFoundException: plugin  
> cannot be loaded because your JVM is dangerously old; plugin uses XML and  
> your JVM has remote code execution vulnerabilities in its XML parser"
> 
> "The plugin ThawIndexBrowser could not be loaded: unexpected error while  
> plugin loading freenet.pluginmanager.PluginNotFoundException: plugin  
> cannot be loaded because your JVM is dangerously old; plugin uses XML and  
> your JVM has remote code execution vulnerabilities in its XML parser"
> Tried loading the plugins from freenet and I think only  the library  
> plugin loaded.(?)
> LIST of PLUG-INS
> 
> plugins.JSTUN.JSTUN   1.1 (2) pplugins.JSTUN.JSTUN_12916244   Fri Jan 
> 15  
> 22:26:40 PST 2010 
>   
>   
> plugins.KeyExplorer.KeyExplorer   0.4β @custom@ (4011)  
>   pplugins.KeyExplorer.KeyExplorer_23126121   Fri Jan 15 22:26:40 PST 
> 2010
>   
>   
> plugins.TestGallery.TestGallery   N/A (1)  
>   pplugins.TestGallery.TestGallery_14995661   Fri Jan 15 22:26:41 PST 
> 2010
>   
>   
> plugins.UPnP.UPnP 1.5 @custom@ (10005)pplugins.UPnP.UPnP_11705501 
> Fri  
> Jan 15 22:26:40 PST 2010
> 
> Also the website said that chrome would open when freenet is started but  
> on my machine FF starts. OPera is set as the default browser.
> Is there a way to bind freenet to chrome?

This should Just Work. I will forward to our Windows expert.

> Am running vista sp2.
> Any ideas would help.
> Thanks for your time and have a nice day. :)
> -strat.


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Re: [freenet-support] Java

2009-08-10 Thread Evan Daniel
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Ragnar wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Can anyone help with Java and FreeNet not being able to recognize
> the correct version?

What version of Freenet are you running?  What version of Java are you
using, and what does Freenet think you're using?

(If you're referring to the Java version security warning, upgrade to
Freenet build 1229.)

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Re: [freenet-support] Java 1.4 no longer supported

2008-12-08 Thread Matthew Toseland
Try running "update-java-alternatives" on a console/terminal ... The most 
likely explanation is that you have GIJ/GCJ installed as well as the Sun JVM, 
and your distribution is defaulting to it for some reason.

On Sunday 07 December 2008 03:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was just looking at the "alerts" section of my status page, and I saw 
this:
> 
> Java 1.4 no longer supported
> You are running Freenet on a 1.4 version of Java. Please upgrade to at least 
java 1.5. Auto-update has been temporarily disabled as future builds may not 
load at all.
> 
> The problem is... I don't have JDK 1.4 installed.  The only version of java 
I have installed is jdk1.6.0_03:
> 
> debian:logs$ which java
> /usr/java/jdk1.6.0_03/bin/java
> debian:logs$ java -version
> java version "1.6.0_03"
> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_03-b05)
> Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 1.6.0_03-b05, mixed mode)
> 
> I'm trying to figure out where Freenet is looking to find the JVM, but it's 
not clear from the configuration page.  I can see that it kicked off with 
a "wrapper-linux-x86-32" binary, but that's not a script, so I can't go into 
it to see where it's looking for its JVM:
> 
> debian:Freenet$ ps -few | grep Free
> jdavies   3097 1  0 20:42 ?
00:00:00 /home/jdavies/Freenet/./bin/wrapper-linux-x86-32 
/home/jdavies/Freenet/./wrapper.conf 
wrapper.syslog.ident=Freenet 
wrapper.pidfile=/home/jdavies/Freenet/./Freenet.pid wrapper.daemonize=TRUE 
wrapper.anchorfile=/home/jdavies/Freenet/./Freenet.anchor 
wrapper.ignore_signals=TRUE wrapper.lockfile=/home/jdavies/Freenet/Freenet
> 
> This is preventing Freenet from autoupdating:
> 
> Build too old
> This node's software is older than the oldest version (Build #1188) allowed 
by the newest peers we try to connect to. Please update your node as soon as 
possible as you will not be able to connect to peers labeled "TOO NEW" until 
you do. (Freenet may leave your node in the dust of the past if you don't 
upgrade.)
> 
> So Freenet isn't working for me until I get this resolved.  Can anybody help 
me figure out where Freenet is finding this JDK 1.4?
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Re: [freenet-support] Java memory

2007-12-21 Thread Martin Nyhus
On Friday 21. December 2007 16:14:04 Marco A. Calamari wrote:
> I found no trivial place in run.sh to raise the java
>  jvm memory. How this can be accomplished ?

In wrapper.conf, wrapper.java.maxmemory sets the memory limit for the node.
wrapper.java.maxmemory=200 gives a max Java memory of 198 MiB (without doing 
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Re: [freenet-support] Java debug error

2005-11-30 Thread qxc
Funny. I get the same TOGETHER with the fact that it is impossible to load
the config page (please see some unanswered mails before this one).

> --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> An: lucky644 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Kopie: support@freenetproject.org
> Betreff: Re: [freenet-support] Java debug error
> Datum: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:22:31 +
> 
> The below trace does not indicate an error.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 12:44:42PM -0800, lucky644 wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm having the same kind of problem as was posted here:
> >
>
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support/5973/match=java+debug
> > 
> > That was from the archives.  It seems to randomly occur, and I get the
> > little blinking icon.
> > 
> > Here's the log:
> > 
> > java.lang.Exception: debugat freenet.support.io.NIOInputStream.read(
> > NIOInputStream.java:319)at java.io.FilterInputStream.read(Unknown
> > Source)at
> freenet.session.FnpLink.negotiateOutbound(FnpLink.java:637)
> > at freenet.session.FnpLink.solicit(FnpLink.java:202)at
> > freenet.session.FnpLinkManager.createOutgoing(FnpLinkManager.java:111)  
>  at
> > freenet.ConnectionJob.run(ConnectionJob.java:378)at
> > freenet.ConnectionJob.createConnection(ConnectionJob.java:78)at
> > freenet.node.ConnectionOpener.checkpoint(ConnectionOpener.java:95)at
> >
> freenet.node.states.maintenance.Checkpoint.checkpoint(Checkpoint.java:54)
> > at
> freenet.node.states.maintenance.Checkpoint.received(Checkpoint.java:47)
> > at freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:177)at
> > freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:61)at
> > freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.run(
> > StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:335)at
> > freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.received(
> > StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:288)at
> > freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.access$100(
> > StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:207)at
> > freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler.handle(
> > StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:99)at
> freenet.Ticker$Event.run(
> > Ticker.java:325)at freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread.run(
> > YThreadFactory.java:285)
> > 
> > Any ideas as to why this happens?  I believe I have the latest Java...
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] Java debug error

2005-11-29 Thread Matthew Toseland
The below trace does not indicate an error.

On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 12:44:42PM -0800, lucky644 wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm having the same kind of problem as was posted here:
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support/5973/match=java+debug
> 
> That was from the archives.  It seems to randomly occur, and I get the
> little blinking icon.
> 
> Here's the log:
> 
> java.lang.Exception: debugat freenet.support.io.NIOInputStream.read(
> NIOInputStream.java:319)at java.io.FilterInputStream.read(Unknown
> Source)at freenet.session.FnpLink.negotiateOutbound(FnpLink.java:637)
> at freenet.session.FnpLink.solicit(FnpLink.java:202)at
> freenet.session.FnpLinkManager.createOutgoing(FnpLinkManager.java:111)at
> freenet.ConnectionJob.run(ConnectionJob.java:378)at
> freenet.ConnectionJob.createConnection(ConnectionJob.java:78)at
> freenet.node.ConnectionOpener.checkpoint(ConnectionOpener.java:95)at
> freenet.node.states.maintenance.Checkpoint.checkpoint(Checkpoint.java:54)
> at freenet.node.states.maintenance.Checkpoint.received(Checkpoint.java:47)
> at freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:177)at
> freenet.node.StateChain.received(StateChain.java:61)at
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.run(
> StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:335)at
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.received(
> StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:288)at
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler$ChainContainer.access$100(
> StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:207)at
> freenet.node.StateChainManagingMessageHandler.handle(
> StateChainManagingMessageHandler.java:99)at freenet.Ticker$Event.run(
> Ticker.java:325)at freenet.thread.YThreadFactory$YThread.run(
> YThreadFactory.java:285)
> 
> Any ideas as to why this happens?  I believe I have the latest Java...

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Re: [freenet-support] Java VM coredumps (NOT just a backtrace!)

2005-01-26 Thread Matthew Toseland
No, not much we can do about it. And yes it might contain compromizing
info.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2005 at 02:06:05PM -0800, Steven Schlansker wrote:
> I just updated to the latest release (5100) and it seemed to work just 
> great.  In fact, it was a whole lot faster than the previous releases 
> have been. But, then, it all went right down the drain.  I often tail -f 
> the logfiles, just to watch threads backtrace left and right.  But then 
> this little gem showed up:
> 
> ==> /var/freenet/freenet.stderr.log <==
> JVMDG217: Dump Handler is Processing a Signal - Please Wait.
> JVMDG303: JVM Requesting Java core file
> 
> ==> /var/freenet/freenet.log <==
> Jan 23, 2005 1:03:13 PM (freenet.node.QueueManager, Keep-alive message 
> sender, NORMAL): Last ran queue 10281 ms ago
> 
> ==> /var/freenet/freenet.stderr.log <==
> JVMDG304: Java core file written to /tmp/javacore.20050123.130303.3969.txt
> JVMDG215: Dump Handler has Processed Exception Signal 8.
> 
> The java process had died completely - all open connections to FRED hung 
> indefinitely (kill -KILL is my friend :) )
> I figured it might be a fluke and tried again, but a few hours later it 
> happened again.
> 
> The named file has almost a half a megabyte of debugging information. 
> Two questions:
> 1) Should I gzip this file and post it to this list to help the programmers?
> 2) Could this file possibly have any information in it which may 
> compromise my node (DSA keys and the like) and how/what should I remove?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steven
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Re: [freenet-support] java crash within two hours running build 5100

2004-12-12 Thread Paul Derbyshire
On 12 Dec 2004 at 21:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > # Please report this error at
> > # http://java.sun.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi
> 
> Have you done that?  Might help.  Unlikely, with Sun, but possible.

Are you sure you're not thinking about Microsoft here rather than 
Sun? :)
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Re: [freenet-support] java crash within two hours running build 5100

2004-12-12 Thread evolution
Quoting Chris Gentile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Haven't been running a node for a few months lately.
> So just yesterday I updated and relaunched.
> I've wiped my routing clean, my store, and reseeded.
> I get a crash like this after at most 2 hours of uptime!

Though you may be able to get help from someone else here more knowledgable than
I, this looks like a Java problem, as Paul said.  Especially since:

> # Please report this error at
> # http://java.sun.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi

Have you done that?  Might help.  Unlikely, with Sun, but possible.

-todd

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Re: [freenet-support] java crash within two hours running build 5100

2004-12-12 Thread Chris Gentile
Its been up for hours now.
I pulled a completely new tarball and restarted.
It behaved very differently on startup.
Presumably the start/stop/update scripts changed somewhere along the
lines and the 'old' update script wasn't adequate.

Thanks Anyhow,
Chris



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> Quoting Paul Derbyshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > The final few lines before the crash would perhaps be more useful.
> > Then we'd know what it was doing, or trying to do, when it shot
> > itself in the foot.
> 
> Screwing the pooch, maybe?
> 
> -todd
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Re: [freenet-support] java crash within two hours running build 5100

2004-12-12 Thread evolution
Quoting Paul Derbyshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> The final few lines before the crash would perhaps be more useful.
> Then we'd know what it was doing, or trying to do, when it shot
> itself in the foot.

Screwing the pooch, maybe?

-todd

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Re: [freenet-support] java crash within two hours running build 5100

2004-12-12 Thread Paul Derbyshire
On 12 Dec 2004 at 18:07, Chris Gentile wrote:

> bash-2.05b$ more hs_err_pid6154.log
>  
> Unexpected Signal : 11 occurred at PC=0x40324F3A
> Function=(null)+0x40324F3A
> Library=/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2_04/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so

Signal 11 is segmentation fault isn't it?

> NOTE: We are unable to locate the function name symbol for the error
>   just occurred. Please refer to release documentation for possible
>   reason and solutions.

Hrm. So it happened in JIT-compiled code, or the JVM jumped into 
never-never land, or your ld.so really screwed the pooch. Try it with 
JIT disabled and see if it works. Anyway, it's almost surely a JVM 
problem and not strictly a Freenet problem.

> Here is the first few lines of my log file

The final few lines before the crash would perhaps be more useful. 
Then we'd know what it was doing, or trying to do, when it shot 
itself in the foot.
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Re: [freenet-support] java 1.5 & NPTL

2004-11-08 Thread Toad
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 09:24:02PM -0600, Darren wrote:
> I've been wanting to try out NPTL, and given the note in the README about it 
> being problematic, I decided to comment out the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL lines in 
> start-freenet.sh(what does that actually do?) and recompile glibc for NPTL 
> just to see what would happen.
> 
> I'm not sure if NPTL success stories are wanted or needed, but I thought I 
> would report that it seems to be running pretty stable for me.
> I have a couple days uptime now on the latest stable build since the switch, 
> and content retrieval, system load, etc all look good.  
> Could it be that the issues were tied to the 1.4x versions of jvm?

I tried it on 1.5 and it crashed. But it may work for you.
> 
> Here is my configuration:
> 
> Freenet build: stable 5099
> 
> gcc -v
> Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4/specs
> Configured with: /var/tmp/portage/gcc-3.3.4-r2/work/gcc-3.3.4/configure 
> --prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.3 
> --includedir=/usr/lib/gcc-lib/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4/include 
> --datadir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.3 
> --mandir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.3/man 
> --infodir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.3/info --enable-shared 
> --host=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --target=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --with-system-zlib 
> --enable-languages=c,c++,f77 --enable-threads=posix --enable-long-long 
> --disable-checking --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-cstdio=stdio 
> --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs 
> --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/lib/gcc-lib/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.4/include/g++-v3
>  --with-local-prefix=/usr/local --enable-shared --enable-nls 
> --without-included-gettext --enable-multilib --enable-__cxa_atexit 
> --enable-clocale=generic
> Thread model: posix
> gcc version 3.3.4 20040623 (Gentoo Linux 3.3.4-r2, ssp-3.3.2-2, pie-8.7.6)
> 
> java version "1.5.0"
> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0-b64)
> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.5.0-b64, mixed mode)
> 
> 
> ps aux | grep java
> freenet 29047  0.0 24.7 1549408 254116 pts/4 SNl Nov04   0:07 java -Xmx128m 
> -server freenet.node.Main
> freenet 2935  0.0  0.0  2484  524 pts/4R+   21:17   0:00 grep java
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Re: [freenet-support] Java Applet

2004-04-28 Thread Roger Oksanen
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> Hello. We're trying create a Java applet to communicate with the 
freenet and
> was wondering if you know of anyone who was successful at doing so. If 
no
> one has done one yet, then where would you people suggest we start at
> dissecting freenet?

The only limitation when creating a java applet is the sanbox the applet 
is run in. By default the sanbox limits the applet from connecting 
other hosts than the applet source host (e.g. the applet server must be 
running a freenet node accepting FCP connections from other hosts).

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Re: [freenet-support] JAVA ARGS

2002-11-28 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 04:28:09PM +0100, Klaus Brüssel wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 28. November 2002 14:11 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> > On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 12:13:50PM +0100, Klaus Brüssel wrote:
> > > the option -server doesnt work with java 1.4.1-b21 / linux, so I have
> > > modified start-freenet.sh, but it will be deleted or overwriten by some
> > > automatic updater. How can I disable this feature ?
> >
> > What automatic updater? update.sh does not touch start-freenet.sh - and
> > the distribution servlet puts it in a different directory, IF it doesn't
> > find it.
> The One that produces following messages:
> 27.11.2002 18:05:35 (freenet.node.http.DistributionServlet$RequestThread, 
> Fetching CHK@i6wa9L4pgjaLQOAM622LJ8baaNgKAwI,LW77sGa18EkcvHTJd71q0Q as 
> update.sh for D
> 27.11.2002 18:05:35 (freenet.node.http.DistributionServlet$RequestThread, 
> Fetching CHK@i6wa9L4pgjaLQOAM622LJ8baaNgKAwI,LW77sGa18EkcvHTJd71q0Q as 
> update.sh for D
> 27.11.2002 18:05:35 (freenet.node.http.DistributionServlet$RequestThread, 
> Fetching CHK@-aFlYIPpXtBM4gzsWK2YjSavtDMKAwI,CPIgvJUZQb2xm9vdJlPTwg as 
> preconfig.sh fo
> [snip]
> 
> there is a distrib directory, but sometimes start-freenet.sh is deleted or 
> overwriten, same with freenet-ext.jar
It should always write to the distrib directory. Something is wrong if
it is not doing that. Can you give me more details?

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Re: [freenet-support] JAVA ARGS

2002-11-28 Thread Klaus Brüssel
Am Donnerstag, 28. November 2002 14:11 schrieb Matthew Toseland:
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 12:13:50PM +0100, Klaus Brüssel wrote:
> > the option -server doesnt work with java 1.4.1-b21 / linux, so I have
> > modified start-freenet.sh, but it will be deleted or overwriten by some
> > automatic updater. How can I disable this feature ?
>
> What automatic updater? update.sh does not touch start-freenet.sh - and
> the distribution servlet puts it in a different directory, IF it doesn't
> find it.
The One that produces following messages:
27.11.2002 18:05:35 (freenet.node.http.DistributionServlet$RequestThread, 
Fetching CHK@i6wa9L4pgjaLQOAM622LJ8baaNgKAwI,LW77sGa18EkcvHTJd71q0Q as 
update.sh for D
27.11.2002 18:05:35 (freenet.node.http.DistributionServlet$RequestThread, 
Fetching CHK@i6wa9L4pgjaLQOAM622LJ8baaNgKAwI,LW77sGa18EkcvHTJd71q0Q as 
update.sh for D
27.11.2002 18:05:35 (freenet.node.http.DistributionServlet$RequestThread, 
Fetching CHK@-aFlYIPpXtBM4gzsWK2YjSavtDMKAwI,CPIgvJUZQb2xm9vdJlPTwg as 
preconfig.sh fo
[snip]

there is a distrib directory, but sometimes start-freenet.sh is deleted or 
overwriten, same with freenet-ext.jar



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Re: [freenet-support] JAVA ARGS

2002-11-28 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thu, Nov 28, 2002 at 12:13:50PM +0100, Klaus Brüssel wrote:
> the option -server doesnt work with java 1.4.1-b21 / linux, so I have modified 
> start-freenet.sh, but it will be deleted or overwriten by some automatic 
> updater. How can I disable this feature ?
What automatic updater? update.sh does not touch start-freenet.sh - and
the distribution servlet puts it in a different directory, IF it doesn't
find it.
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Re: [freenet-support] java problem

2002-11-20 Thread nicolas fischer
>
>> hello,
>> so far i have copied following exec. into usr/local/bin:
>
>I think, that copying doesn't make it work. Did you try the export
>command? Another way is to link /usr/java/bin/java to
>/usr/local/bin/java :
>
>ln -s /usr/java/bin/java /usr/local/bin/java

copying might work (given the executable doesnt somehow use it's own location
 for finding other stuff, which might be the case), it's just not elegant.

he would have to put the libjava.so into /usr/local/lib, though, not in bin.

Or to screw up majorly, he could add /usr/local/bin to /etc/ld.so.conf ;) (dont
 to that!)

you should definitely try the export commands we gave you earlier instead. it's
 the "suggested" way to do it. otherwise you'd have to put all the other tools
 in your bin too (tnameserv, jar, javac...)

your shell will look at the PATH environment variable and check all the
 directories there for finding executables (e.g. when you enter "java"). So just append
 /usr/java/bin or whatever (using ":" as delimiter) to your PATH environment
 variable using the export command.



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Re: [freenet-support] java problem

2002-11-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 12:52:42PM +0200, sami sieranoja wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:28:47 +0800
> "walter bibiza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > hello,
> > i,m using mandrake 9.0. i have installed j2re 1.4.1 under
> > usr/java and still freenet tells me java not found. please
> > help me in a user-friendly way how freenet can find path
> > to java.
> > thanks walter
> 
> If you are using bash, then this should be done by export command:
> 
> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/bin
> 
> 
> you could also ad this line to your ~/.bashrc file so, that you don't
> need to execute this command every time you start freenet.
> 
> btw. I'm not sure, if you can run freenet with java 1.4.1. If you run
> into problems, try the older version: 1.3.1_06
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/download.html
You can. 1.3.1 has problems.
> 
> 
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Re: [freenet-support] java problem

2002-11-20 Thread sami sieranoja

> hello,
> so far i have copied following exec. into usr/local/bin:

I think, that copying doesn't make it work. Did you try the export
command? Another way is to link /usr/java/bin/java to
/usr/local/bin/java :

ln -s /usr/java/bin/java /usr/local/bin/java



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Re: [freenet-support] java problem

2002-11-20 Thread walter bibiza

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From: sami sieranoja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:52:42 +0200 
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Subject: Re: [freenet-support] java problem


> On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:28:47 +0800
> "walter bibiza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > hello,
> > i,m using mandrake 9.0. i have installed j2re 1.4.1 under
> > usr/java and still freenet tells me java not found. please
> > help me in a user-friendly way how freenet can find path
> > to java.
> > thanks walter
> 
> If you are using bash, then this should be done by export command:
> 
> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/bin
> 
> 
> you could also ad this line to your ~/.bashrc file so, that you don't
> need to execute this command every time you start freenet.
> 
> btw. I'm not sure, if you can run freenet with java 1.4.1. If you run
> into problems, try the older version: 1.3.1_06
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/download.html
> 
> 
> -Sami
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hello,
so far i have copied following exec. into usr/local/bin:

java
java_vm
libjava.so (comes with a questionmark icon, also after
installing php)

freenet install still asks me for 
Error:could not find libjava.so
Error:could not find Java 2 Runtime Enviroment

Any Idea on that,
thanks walter
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Re: [freenet-support] java problem

2002-11-20 Thread walter bibiza

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 07:02:31 -0500 
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Subject: Re: [freenet-support] java problem


> walter bibiza ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> > i,m using mandrake 9.0. i have installed j2re 1.4.1 under
> > usr/java and still freenet tells me java not found. please
> > help me in a user-friendly way how freenet can find path
> > to java.
> 
> su
> ln -s /usr/java/bin/java /usr/local/bin/java
> 
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hello,
so far i have copied following exec. into usr/local/bin
java
java_vm
libjava.so (comes with a questionmark icon, also after
installing php)

freenet install still asks me for 
Error:could not find libjava.so
Error:could not find Java 2 Runtime Enviroment

Any Idea on that,
thanks walter
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Re: [freenet-support] java problem

2002-11-20 Thread Greg Wooledge
walter bibiza ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> i,m using mandrake 9.0. i have installed j2re 1.4.1 under
> usr/java and still freenet tells me java not found. please
> help me in a user-friendly way how freenet can find path
> to java.

su
ln -s /usr/java/bin/java /usr/local/bin/java

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Re: [freenet-support] java problem

2002-11-20 Thread sami sieranoja
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:28:47 +0800
"walter bibiza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> hello,
> i,m using mandrake 9.0. i have installed j2re 1.4.1 under
> usr/java and still freenet tells me java not found. please
> help me in a user-friendly way how freenet can find path
> to java.
> thanks walter

If you are using bash, then this should be done by export command:

export PATH=$PATH:/usr/java/bin


you could also ad this line to your ~/.bashrc file so, that you don't
need to execute this command every time you start freenet.

btw. I'm not sure, if you can run freenet with java 1.4.1. If you run
into problems, try the older version: 1.3.1_06
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/download.html


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Re: [freenet-support] java interpreter

2002-11-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
murat hepdurluk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> I cant connect to the http://java.sun.com  to download the required Java 
> application.

Why not?

> Can you advice any other web site to download that program.
> And , can you send me the full name of the java application, so I can 
> search it on the net.

Not without knowing what platform you need it for.

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Re: [freenet-support] java errors on linux

2002-10-29 Thread Greg Wooledge
Rick ter Schele ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> So how *do* you get freenet 0.5 kick started on Linux?
> 
> Both kaffe 1.0.5 and jre 1.1.8 give the same error:

Neither of those will work.

Kaffe version 1.0.7 will work, and Sun Java 1.3 or 1.4 will work.
IBM Java may work.  I wouldn't hold my breath for gcj.

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Re: [freenet-support] java 1.1.8 can't run 518?

2002-10-18 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 11:12:17AM +0200, Volker Stolz wrote:
> java.lang.IncompatibleClassChangeError: Unimplemented interface method
> at freenet.node.Main.main(Main.java:239)
> 
> bash-2.04$ java -version
> java_X version "1.1.8"
> bash-2.04$ uname -a
> FreeBSD gate.private.lan 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #2: Fri May 11 11:47:01 CEST 
>2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/opt/src/sys/compile/CIRCHRI  i386
> 
> Did I miss something important?

Apparently not. Freenet does not attempt to maintain compatibility with
java 1.1, only with Kaffe and the current Sun JVM. Upgrade to a more
recent JVM.
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Re: [freenet-support] Java

2001-06-06 Thread Ian Clarke

Java is included with some operating systems, but not always.  You may
download a copy of Java for your operating system from
http://java.sun.com/ - you want the "Java Runtime Environment".

Believe me, in admitting you don't know everything, you know more than
most :-)

Ian.

On Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 11:24:11PM -0400, Sue & Norm wrote:
> i get an error that it can't find some java thing and won't run the node.  I thought 
>java was just a universal thing that all computers had, then again i'm clueless.

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