[Biofuel] Re: was...The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread Alt.EnergyNetwork
Me too, The once proud republican party has been highjacked by right wing neocons, powerfull corporations and xenophobic Jesus freaks. No administration in history has gone to the extent that this one has, to distort scientific data and water down or eliminate environmental and health

[Biofuel] email sent by mistake

2005-07-25 Thread marilyn
Biofuels list I am sorry I sent you the email regarding the farm for sale by mistake. I hope you kept it from going to everyone. You are not on a group list. I meant to check a name at the bottom of my email address book and instead hit Send All so the message went to all my addresses. I will

Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencies

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
In the article, Pimentel is shown pumping gas, most likely plain old regular unleaded gas... And it crossed my mind, How much energy was used to provide a gallon of plain old regular unleaded gas, considering all the energy consumed, not only in drilling and pumping crude, cleaning,

Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencies

2005-07-25 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, Maybe you found out the reason why they died out so fast, it is at least a logical explanation. LOL Let us hope that Montsano also will join the list of destroyed species. Hakan At 03:21 AM 7/25/2005, you wrote: In all likelihood, Monsanto would volunteer to provide the huge amount

[Biofuel] quality

2005-07-25 Thread Arittha de Silva
Hi, I have made my first batch of bio diesel using clean vegetable oil. In testing quality the separation of bio diesel from the water took longer than stipulated ( more than half an hour) and rather than a murky water and biodiesel separating, it was biodiesel and a mayonnaise like

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread John Hayes
malcolm maclure wrote: I couldn’t resist posting this. Malcolm all the Ivy and * * Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. * a) plus Harvard and Yale? Did they get kicked out of the Ivy League when I wasn't looking? b) And if we get all 8

RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread malcolm maclure
Lol, nice 1 John. Hadn't noticed that. Not sure about this tho: a) plus Harvard and Yale? Did they get kicked out of the Ivy League when I wasn't looking? Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hayes Sent: 25 July 2005 13:55

Re: [Biofuel] Re: was...The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread John Hayes
Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Me too, The once proud republican party has been highjacked by right wing neocons, powerfull corporations and xenophobic Jesus freaks. No administration in history has gone to the extent that this one has, to distort scientific data and water down or eliminate

Re: [Biofuel] Re: was...The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread Michael Redler
"xenophobic Jesus freaks" Back in the 80's, I used to get served agenerous portion of conservatism through lectures from my father -the points he made being supported by the latest (and always available) issueof Time magazine. At the time, I was fully indoctrinated and was eager for seconds. I

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread John Hayes
malcolm maclure wrote: Lol, nice 1 John. Hadn't noticed that. Not sure about this tho: a) plus Harvard and Yale? Did they get kicked out of the Ivy League when I wasn't looking? The Ivies (the Ancient Eight) consist of Brown, Cornell, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Princeton, and

[Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/072005A.shtml The Tragic Abuse of Corn By Kelpie Wilson t r u t h o u t | Perspective Wednesday 20 July 2005 The wheel it has circled, time without end, Old life remembers, and welcomes the grain. For the corn and the seed are one and the same, That

Re: [Biofuel] quality

2005-07-25 Thread Mike Weaver
I usually let the batch settle at least 8 hours or so after it comes out of the reactor. How did the was water look? Arittha de Silva wrote: Hi, I have made my first batch of bio diesel using clean vegetable oil. In testing quality the separation of bio diesel from the water took longer

Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period

2005-07-25 Thread Joe Street
Sorry to say so, but when I read that sentence I thought at first that you meant the White House. Yeah good point but I was actually comparing Osama to the master in that case. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] quality

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Arittha, welcome Hi, I have made my first batch of bio diesel using clean vegetable oil. In testing quality the separation of bio diesel from the water took longer than stipulated ( more than half an hour) and rather than a murky water and biodiesel separating, it was biodiesel and a

Re: [Biofuel] Re: was...The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread Mike Weaver
If you're being raptured, throw down your wallet! Michael Redler wrote: xenophobic Jesus freaks Back in the 80's, I used to get served a generous portion of conservatism through lectures from my father - the points he made being supported by the latest (and always available) issue of Time

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Hakan Falk
And all of it because a bad language interpretation at the end of WWII. When the Americans, after winning, asked the Germans what they most needed to avoid starvation, they answered Korn (Rye), which the Americans interpret to Corn (Maise) and started to send loads of it. The Germans was

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread Hakan Falk
They are those lesbians who play with themselves, to keep the oil profits as high as possible. The worst law breakers of the world, who does not care a yota about laws, since they have the politicians in their pockets, from Bush - Blair etc. and downwards. Hakan At 04:06 PM 7/25/2005, you

Re: [Biofuel] Re: was...The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread capt3d
hi john, i agree with your point about the republican party. but don't be fooled by arnold's initiatives in cali. i was at the EV World website the other day, and found several articles about rules changes at CARB since 2002 or so. not very pretty. i'll try and post the links.

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread des
Hakan Falk wrote: And all of it because a bad language interpretation at the end of WWII. When the Americans, after winning, asked the Germans what they most needed to avoid starvation, they answered Korn (Rye), which the Americans interpret to Corn (Maise) and started to send loads of it.

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread capt3d
ok, so is pimentel now using current data or not? if the answer is no, then the question becomes is this chick legit? the blurb about corn syrup is pretty over the top. -chris In a message dated 7/25/05 8:04:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . . .In any case, Pimentel's new report with

RE: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energyefficiencies

2005-07-25 Thread Joey Hundert
MH, Thanks for posting that study. What an incredible meta analysis! I've distributed it to my friends already. 40 acres per gallon of dino, in light of the 70+ gallons of veg oil per acre canola in northern climates really lends perspective. One more tool in the box for shining light on

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Phillip Wolfe
Keith - I'm still an avid reader of biofuel.com. I planted corn in my backyard garden this year to better appreciate corn and mother corn. Is it GMO'd corn seed. Who knows. But I now understand that if my family existed on homegrown ag and fruit products we could stay body lean as nature

RE: [Biofuel] Science Under Siege

2005-07-25 Thread malcolm maclure
I posted about this in March but I dont think anyone believed me as no one seemed to reply. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg44706.html Im still shaking my head in disbelief.. Regards Malcolm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread des
Phillip Wolfe wrote: Keith - I'm still an avid reader of biofuel.com. I planted corn in my backyard garden this year to better appreciate corn and mother corn. Is it GMO'd corn seed. Who knows. But I now understand that if my family existed on homegrown ag and fruit products we could stay

Re: [Biofuel] Re: was...The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread capt3d
here are the links i mentioned. first, an article published in three parts: http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=articlestoryid=691 http://www.evworld.com/general.cfm?pageIDENT=a_brooks1.cfm http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=articlestoryid=690 below is an earlier article by the same

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Garth Kim Travis
Greetings, The heirloom gardeners list at yahell has an anual seed swap, as well as a seed bank. If you can collect seed this fall, wildcraft seed does qualify. I had it easy, trumpet vine is a weed at my place, grows wild all over but is expensive at the nursery. I found this an

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
ok, so is pimentel now using current data or not? if the answer is no, then the question becomes is this chick legit? She's just fooled by the current data bit, like everyone else is. It is not current data, see the message I posted yesterday:

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Hakan Falk
Doug, One thing is viewing corn (maize) as animal food, and other thing is the actual use of it. I will never try to deny the Americans the right to eat corn (maize) and I was only talking about the perception and customs in different countries. It is realities, like it or not, and I think

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread capt3d
keith, no doubt refined carbos have their health effects. i was just referring to the implication (whether intentional or not) that hfcs introduction is wholly responsible for the horrible rates of obesity. as though eating and exercise habits, and the whole plethora of other very bad

Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Ray J
I probbly missed the message but U do realize that we do not eat the same corn we feed the animals in the USA? Corn-on-the-cob and canned or frozen corn at the grocery store come from sweet corn. The corn you grow in your garden also is a variety of sweet corn. But the most abundant type of

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread Mike Weaver
Ok Smart Guy, who were (are) The Seven Sisters? ;-) -Max Ivycovered John Hayes wrote: malcolm maclure wrote: Lol, nice 1 John. Hadn't noticed that. Not sure about this tho: a) plus Harvard and Yale? Did they get kicked out of the Ivy League when I wasn't looking? The Ivies (the

Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Hakan Falk
Ray, Thanks for the lesson, I did actually not realize this difference and in this case the sweet corn is very rare in Europe or the world outside of US. The common crop would be dent corn, but I think that there are not many outside of US, who know the difference. Apart from occasional corn

[Biofuel] Shell Eco-Marathon and road-legal possibilities

2005-07-25 Thread MH
I'd imagine many would resign themselves from ever speeding along at 15 mph (24 km/h) . . . Road-going Caterham enters Shell Eco-Marathon 7th July 2005 http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/news/industry_news/07-07-05_12 A team from Cranfield University and Caterham Cars is participating in

Re: [Biofuel] Shell Eco-Marathon and road-legal possibilities

2005-07-25 Thread MH
Some additional information below -- Road-going Caterham enters Shell Eco-Marathon 7th July 2005 http://www.autoindustry.co.uk/news/industry_news/07-07-05_12 --- Caterham 2R astounds with 100 MPG [UK] 12/07/2005 http://www.racecar.com/story.asp?NewsID=10551 snip It is powered

[Biofuel] Sawdust as Fuel ?????

2005-07-25 Thread den wilcox
Does anyone have any info on using sawdust to make woodgas bbwd1 Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country

2005-07-25 Thread Mike Weaver
Wait! Take us with you! DC, Northern Va and most of MD! DB wrote: I second that emotion...Proud to be a liberal from a BLUE STATEDB with BD - Original Message - *From:* malcolm maclure mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Chris keith, no doubt refined carbos have their health effects. Why not go and have a look at what Cleave says about it? http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#cleave i was just referring to the implication (whether intentional or not) that hfcs introduction is wholly

RE: [Biofuel] Science Under Siege

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
I posted about this in March but I don't think anyone believed me as no one seemed to reply. http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg44706.html I'm still shaking my head in disbeliefŠ.. Regards Malcolm I replied Malcolm, for one. It's here:

Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Phillip Keith - I'm still an avid reader of biofuel.com. I planted corn in my backyard garden this year to better appreciate corn and mother corn. Is it GMO'd corn seed. Probably not, more likely a hybrid. Try to get open-pollenated corn, or heritage corn better. Who knows. But I now

[Biofuel] Solar Tractors

2005-07-25 Thread MH
The Case for Solar-powered ELECTRIC Tractors By Stephen Heckeroth April-May 2002 http://www.motherearthnews.com/renewable_energy/2002_April_May/Solar_Powered_Tractors The world is clearly running out of oil and gas, yet most people ignore the coming crisis. Food production and

[Biofuel] The Rapture

2005-07-25 Thread bmolloy
Hi All, Where can I find a background to thefundamentalist belief in the"Rapture". I think we discussed it some months ago vis avis the Israeli conflict. Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] The Rapture

2005-07-25 Thread John Hayes
bmolloy wrote: Hi All, Where can I find a background to the fundamentalist belief in the Rapture. I think we discussed it some months ago vis a vis the Israeli conflict. Regards, Bob. http://www.newsaic.com/ftvsimpsons1619i.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture jh

[Biofuel] Fwd: The Overstory #158--Forest Culture

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
The Overstory #158 - Forest Culture By Geneviève Michon Publication date: July 26, 2005 :: The Overstory #158 - Forest Culture By Geneviève Michon Contents: : DOES SMALLHOLDER FOREST CULTURE EXIST? : THE HORTUS AND AGER MODELS : FOREST CULTURE AND THE CONVENTIONAL MODEL OF

Re: [Biofuel] The Rapture

2005-07-25 Thread robert luis rabello
bmolloy wrote: Hi All, Where can I find a background to the fundamentalist belief in the Rapture. I think we discussed it some months ago vis a vis the Israeli conflict. Regards, Bob. The rapture is not fundamental, it's dispensational. Try these:

Re: [Biofuel] The Rapture

2005-07-25 Thread Keith Addison
Hi All, Where can I find a background to the fundamentalist belief in the Rapture. I think we discussed it some months ago vis a vis the Israeli conflict. Regards, Bob. Hello Bob I was just wondering how many non-Americans would have a clue what it referred to. Usually when you