Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2006-01-26 Thread Zeke Yewdall
- From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method On Jan 25, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Blas Antonio Guanes wrote: the problem is that, methanol costs 4 $ and pure ethanol for car costs

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2006-01-26 Thread Jan Warnqvist
in the biodiesel. The BD may still have an odour of gasoline though. AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method Jan, Wouldn't you expect

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2006-01-26 Thread Derick Giorchino
Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:46 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method A small amount of gasoline in the biodiesel shouldn't affect it too much. Some of the crazy schemes for using unheated SVO call for mixing it with 15% gasoline

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2006-01-26 Thread Derick Giorchino
@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method Hello Bias Antonio, Ken is right, the NaOH dissolves a lot quicker in ethanol if heated. In order to make ethyl esters the quality of the reactants has to be high: ethanol min 99,5% pure and oil with a water content 500 ppm and a stochiometric

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2006-01-26 Thread Kenji James Fuse
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method On Jan 25, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Blas Antonio Guanes wrote: the problem is that, methanol costs 4 $ and pure ethanol for car costs 0.52 $, NaOH is gotten in any part.. KOH is sold in bags of 25 kilos

[Biofuel] ethanol method

2006-01-25 Thread Blas Antonio Guanes
thanks, but the problem is that, methanol costs 4 $ and pure ethanol for car costs 0.52 $, NaOH is gotten in any part.. KOH is sold in bags of 25 kilos for soap industry.. Here in Paraguay it is difficult to get chemical products. for that reason I want know how I can make with

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2006-01-25 Thread Ken Provost
On Jan 25, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Blas Antonio Guanes wrote: the problem is that, methanol costs 4 $ and pure ethanol for car costs 0.52 $, NaOH is gotten in any part.. KOH is sold in bags of 25 kilos for soap industry.. Here in Paragua it is difficult to get chemical products. for that

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol industry popping -was: California Ethanol Alcohol Transportation Fuels

2005-12-01 Thread MH
After some digging in the Biofuel archives - [Biofuel] US California Ethanol 29 Sep 2004 ETHANOL As a Transportation Fuel In California http://www.energy.ca.gov/ethanol/index.html As of January 1, 2004, California completed a transition from methyl tertiary butyl-ether (MTBE) to

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol industry popping

2005-11-29 Thread John Hayes
Greg Gordon of the Star Tribute wrote: Minnesota is the lone state with a 10 percent ethanol mandate, though Hawaii and Montana have enacted similar mandates that have yet to take effect. Minnesota will require 20 percent ethanol content in 2013. Whatchu talking about Willis? New York and

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol industry popping

2005-11-29 Thread MH
Statewide or large metropolitan areas ? Theres talk in Iowa, Wisconsin (Illinois - I think) of a statewide E10 mandate. Whatchu talking about Willis? New York and Connecticut both require E10 at the pump as part of their MTBE ban. I think, but can't say for sure, that Colorado and

[Biofuel] ethanol industry popping

2005-11-28 Thread MH
A kernel of energy innovation has ethanol industry popping Greg Gordon, Star Tribune November 29, 2005 http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5751740.html WASHINGTON - A cooperative in Little Falls, Minn., is spending $8 million so it can make ethanol by burning scrap wood instead of

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation

2005-11-27 Thread Kenji James Fuse
Getting off-topic a bit... Any concerns about consistently drinking distilled water? I've heard it can leach minerals from the body. A friend of mine uses a water distiller so I'd like to know more. Kenji ___ Biofuel mailing list

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation

2005-11-27 Thread John Hayes
Kenji James Fuse wrote: Getting off-topic a bit... Any concerns about consistently drinking distilled water? I've heard it can leach minerals from the body. A friend of mine uses a water distiller so I'd like to know more. Kenji Search the archives. It's in there. Short version is: If

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation

2005-11-26 Thread Alan Petrillo
Jonathan Schearer wrote: I have a question for the group. Would a water distiller like the kind found at www.waterdistiller.com http://www.waterdistiller.com be similar to an alcohol still? Usually an alcohol still has a column and uses water as the coolant for the condenser. These

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation

2005-11-24 Thread Pannirselvam P.V
Helow Jonathan Water distillation is mainly concerned with evaporation and then condensation water vapor evaporated, where as alcohol still need to selectively seperate low volatile etanol using heat ,as well as can condense selectively the ethanol and hence need column.Thus water distiller

[Biofuel] ethanol distillation

2005-11-23 Thread Jonathan Schearer
I have a question for the group. Would a water distiller like the kind found at www.waterdistiller.com be similar to an alcohol still? Usually an alcohol still has a column and uses water as the coolant for the condenser. These water distillers use a coil that is air cooled. Yahoo! Music

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol distillation

2005-11-23 Thread Ken Riznyk
Don't think so. The purpose of distilling alcohol is usually to separate it from water. The boiling point of alcohol is close to that of water so the temperature of the vessel and cooling column is critical. When water is distilled it is usually separated from salts and other contaminants. The

[Biofuel] Ethanol Stillage Filtration

2005-11-19 Thread Joe Widdup
This is an interesting press release about a government grant to NorAmera BioEnergy of Weyburn Saskatchewan Canada. They are a small plant with 25M litre/yr capacity from a retrofitted whiskey distillery. If commercial scale stillage filtration technology proves feasible, it could make

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol from cabbage

2005-10-21 Thread bob allen
find a table of nutrition and add up the grams of sugar and carbohydrate present. Those are the fermentable materials. (the carbohydrate portion will require an enzyme, maltase, to make into fermentable sugars) John Hall wrote: I have been trying to find out what is best used for fermenting

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol from cabbage

2005-10-21 Thread Fred Finch
Personally I have found cabbage to be especially useful in methane production. Not very useable but fun none the less. fredOn 10/21/05, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: find a table of nutrition and add up the grams of sugar and carbohydratepresent.Those are the fermentable materials.(the

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol from cabbage

2005-10-21 Thread Keith Addison
I have been trying to find out what is best used for fermenting cabbage for ethanol production. Not much out there on the web. Anyone have a suggestion? The only thing I've found so far is for producing sauerkraut and ethanol production is minimal using those enzymes. Why cabbage? Because

[Biofuel] Ethanol from cabbage

2005-10-20 Thread John Hall
I have been trying to find out what is best used for fermenting cabbage for ethanol production. Not much out there on the web. Anyone have a suggestion? The only thing I've found so far is for producing sauerkraut and ethanol production is minimal using those enzymes. Why cabbage? Because

[Biofuel] Ethanol in St. Petersburg Times (FL, USA)

2005-10-17 Thread Alan Petrillo
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/17/Worldandnation/Ethanol__Is_it_the_an.shtml AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from Sorgum please

2005-10-11 Thread Andrew Lowe
Mark Klein wrote: [snip] ... ... [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from Sorgum please

2005-10-11 Thread Keith Addison
Mark Klein wrote: [snip] ... ... [snip] WTF is this? I thought the list prevented idiocy such as sending 1.4MB HTML emails to the thousand or so people who are on this list. A LOT more people than that Andrew. Keith, can the good old days of text and text only be reintroduced so that abuse

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2005-09-28 Thread Keith Addison
: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:17:27 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method Tom, two questions, 1. how do you know the ethanol is being dried? and 2. what procedure are you using for bioD from ethanol? Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Bob

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2005-09-28 Thread bob allen
No. 93-COOP-1-8627 University of Idaho, College of Agriculture, the University of Idaho. Is another method more reliable? Tom Irwin From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:17:27 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method Tom, two

[Biofuel] Ethanol and water deposits is this possible?

2005-09-22 Thread Patrick Anthony Opaco
Hi All, Here in the Philippines, Ethanol is still starting. I was just wondering to all Ethanol users out there. Is it possible to have water deposits in your engine if you continue using Ethanol? I'm also wondering to all those who have used unleaded fuel for so many years, is it also possible

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2005-09-19 Thread bob allen
*From:* bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:17:27 -0300 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method Tom, two questions, 1. how do you know

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2005-09-16 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Ken, Yes, I've read that but I'm trying to avoid using anything petro based. Yeah, I know I'm being a purist but I have some spare time. Thanks, Tom From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:06:46 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2005-09-16 Thread Tom Irwin
rsity of Idaho. Is another method more reliable? Tom Irwin From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:17:27 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol methodTom, two questions, 1. how do you know the ethanol is being dried? and 2. what procedure are you

[Biofuel] ethanol method

2005-09-15 Thread Kuba-tlen
Does anybody know how to do a biofuel usin ethanol? I mean 92% ethanol, not dry ethanol. I've read that it is possible. O maybe somebody knows how to easily dry ethanol? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2005-09-15 Thread bob allen
It is not easy, due to the fact that ethoxide, can't be made by the combination of sodium or potassium hydroxide and ethanol, as one does with base plus methanol to form methoxide. It can be done however via alternative ways of making the ethoxide: K + EtOH --- K(+) (-)OEt + 1/2 H2

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2005-09-15 Thread Tom Irwin
: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:23:08 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol methodIt is not easy, due to the fact that ethoxide, can't be made by the combination of sodium or potassium hydroxide and ethanol, as one does with base plus methanol to form methoxide. It can be done however via alternative ways

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2005-09-15 Thread bob allen
:* Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method It is not easy, due to the fact that ethoxide, can't be made by the combination of sodium or potassium hydroxide and ethanol, as one does with base plus methanol to form methoxide. It can be done however via alternative ways of making the ethoxide

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2005-09-15 Thread Ken Provost
--- Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still have horrible problems making BioD with 100% ethanol (purchased)but I'm still working on it. You probly know this already, but adding even 10-15% methanol to the anhydrous ethanol makes the reaction go markedly better. -K

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol method

2005-09-15 Thread Daniel Widyanto
Hi all, I thought we can dry up alkohol using CaO or Zeolite. Is it true ? So what's wrong with that method ? And by using CaO / Zeolite, is it possible to dry alkohol 70% v/v to 99% v/v ? Thank You -daniel On 9/16/05, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, two questions, 1. how do you know

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-12 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I was trying to theorize on what using a 100% ethanol fuel would be like. From MH's experience, it seems pretty obvious that 10% or even 25% ethanol has no ill effects and could actually run in unmodified gas engine better than 100% gasoline. I wanted to add to the reply below. . . Zeke Yewdall

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-12 Thread MH
Zeke Yewdall wrote: I was trying to theorize on what using a 100% ethanol fuel would be like. From MH's experience, it seems pretty obvious that 10% or even 25% ethanol has no ill effects and could actually run in unmodified gas engine better than 100% gasoline. Thats OK Zeke. I

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-12 Thread MH
Zeke Yewdall wrote: I was trying to theorize on what using a 100% ethanol fuel would be like. From MH's experience, it seems pretty obvious that 10% or even 25% ethanol has no ill effects and could actually run in unmodified gas engine better than 100% gasoline. Most of the time during the

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-12 Thread Joe Street
Zeke; Activated alumina or zeolite will remove the water. One source I know of is companies like Kurt J. Lesker, Alcatel, Leybold and Pfeifer who are a supplier for industries that use high vacuum. The material is sold for foreline traps also known as a molecular sieve. The alumina can be

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-12 Thread Jan Warnqvist
the good job ! Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-11 Thread dwoodard
In very round numbers, gasoline has about 20,000 BTU per pound, ethanol 12,000, methanol 10,000. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Zeke Yewdall wrote: My understanding is that ethanol will run fine in existing gasoline engines. The difference is in

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-11 Thread Keith Addison
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Biofuels Library The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson Ten Speed Press © Copyright 1980 J.A. Diaz Publications (out of print) This excellent manual gives you all the information you need to get going with

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-10 Thread MH
I wanted to add to the reply below. . . Zeke Yewdall wrote: My understanding is that ethanol will run fine in existing gasoline engines. The difference is in compatibility with seals, and ability to vaporize at lower temperatures. It's got a bit higher vapor pressure, so in northern

[Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-09 Thread Keith Addison
A new list member (hi there!) told listadmin this a few days ago: Ethanol has been introduced in Manila just this month and I'm getting excited about it. The rising costs of fuel is really a burden here and through this list, I hope I would be able to gain lots of knowledge about Ethanol. Our

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-09 Thread Zeke Yewdall
My understanding is that ethanol will run fine in existing gasoline engines. The difference is in compatibility with seals, and ability to vaporize at lower temperatures. It's got a bit higher vapor pressure, so in northern US, it can create hard starting in the wintertime. It does have a bit

[Biofuel] Ethanol in the Philippines - just put it in and go?

2005-09-09 Thread Vin Lava
A new list member (hi there!) told listadmin this a few days ago: Ethanol has been introduced in Manila just this month and I'm getting excited about it. The rising costs of fuel is really a burden here and through this list, I hope I would be able to gain lots of knowledge about

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol

2005-08-22 Thread Hakan Falk
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James A. Eckman Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 9:21 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Ethanol I am new to the list and one reason for joining is to find out if there is anyplace in northeast Ohio where I can buy ethanol.Since most cars on the road can

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol

2005-08-22 Thread DERICK GIORCHINO
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol Derick, I think that you are mixing up the ethanol as MTBE replacement with the general biofuel discussion. To replace MTBE is an absolute necessity, since its environmental effects are devastating. E5 to E10 have total support

[Biofuel] Ethanol

2005-08-21 Thread James A. Eckman
I am new to the list and one reason for joining is to find out if there is anyplace in northeast Ohio where I can buy ethanol.Since most cars on the road can use at least E10 blendany help would be appreciated. I am looking for something I can do immediately in addition to driving more

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol

2005-08-21 Thread DERICK GIORCHINO
21, 2005 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Ethanol I am new to the list and one reason for joining is to find out if there is anyplace in northeast Ohio where I can buy ethanol.Since most cars on the road can use at least E10 blendany help would be appreciated. I am looking

[Biofuel] Ethanol automation

2005-08-19 Thread Rich
I would like to see variables and numbers put on the different processes of making ethanol in an effort to identify the equipment requirements and tolerances needed to ultimately lead to automation of the ethanol making process? Variables such as temperature in Fahrenheit or Celsius, speed in

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-10 Thread Tom Irwin
Hello Ken, Many thanks for posting the research. I´ve downloaded it and will consume it this weekend. Tom Irwin From: Ken Gotberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:31:13 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms I’ll

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-09 Thread Ken Gotberg
I’ll combine my answers. Bob Yes, you need a cellulase to extract glucose and there are many with those from Trichoderma reesei being the most common and most studied with the genome known (?). The glucose has many uses with ethanol being just one of them losing ~ half of the starting material

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-08 Thread Ken Gotberg
I was reading just yesterday about using white rot fungus in the form of mushrooms of the common button type as selective for lignin and leaving the cellulose and hemicellulose alone as part of a pulping scheme. The cellulose and maybe the hemicellulose can then be fermented to ethanol. (Another

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-08 Thread bob allen
Howdy Ken, Ken Gotberg wrote: I was reading just yesterday about using white rot fungus in the form of mushrooms of the common button type as selective for lignin and leaving the cellulose and hemicellulose alone as part of a pulping scheme. The cellulose and maybe the hemicellulose can then

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-08 Thread Tom Irwin
. Tom Irwin From: Ken Gotberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:07:20 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms I was reading just yesterday about using white rot fungus in the form of mushrooms of the common button type

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-08 Thread Greg and April
Please, I have not heard of thisuse of MoS2before. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Ken Gotberg To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 7:07 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms I was reading just

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms using bioprocess

2005-08-05 Thread Pannirselvam P.V
Hello to every one Very simple bio process using mushroom Pluretus can give substrate for simultaneous saccharification(hydrolysis) and fermentation , this can lead to low alcohol content , but a simple solvent extraction with Castor oil as outlined in

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please compliment

2005-08-05 Thread Pannirselvam P.V
Hi Brain Rodgers Gypsym can be used as depolymerizing and delignication agente for removal of lignin at hiher temperatature , making possivel cellulose seperation , and hence , sugar and alcohol production sd Pannirselvam On 8/4/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please compliment

2005-08-05 Thread Brian Rodgers
Thank you for the info. I will need to lookup these terms of course. It does give me more to work with. I do appreciate this. Gypsym can be used as depolymerizing and delignication agente for removal of lignin at hiher temperatature , making possivel cellulose seperation , and hence , sugar

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-04 Thread Manick Harris
Hello Brian. This is most intriguing. Let me describe another sawdust expt. which I did in my kitchen. I first placed the sawdust in a clean wide mouthplastic feeding bottle, anchored it in a pot of water, and boiled for 30 min. with lid on to sterilise the sawdust. On cooling a small piece of

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please compliment

2005-08-04 Thread Brian Rodgers
Thanks Manick You are fortunate to have walking encyclopedia in your dad. Nurture him well. During my morning run I stopped by the area where Dad was attaching wire to the steel posts I pounded in over the weekend. (Patting myself on the back here for nurturing.) Hehe Anyway, Dad said it was

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-04 Thread Brian Rodgers
Now that you bring up this point about yeast and fungi eating sugar the same stuff needed to ferment, it occurs to me that these fungi folks were unaware that I was trying to ferment the sawdust. Their original plan as I recall was to help my friend who owns a small sawmill to dispose of

[Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-03 Thread Brian Rodgers
I talked with a few folks last night about the home brewing of ethanol from sawdust. I am happy to announce that these guys are working on a found Oyster Mushroom mycelium that they are hopeful will break down the cellulose in order to separate the lignin. If this experiment works they may

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-03 Thread Michael Redler
I hope your friend isn't too adventurous. You might find him with more than his shoes off, skipping around and talking to the trees. :-) MikeBrian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I talked with a few folks last night about the home brewing of ethanol from sawdust. I am happy to announce that

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-03 Thread Tom Irwin
Redler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:38:32 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms I hope your friend isn't too adventurous. You might find him with more than his shoes off, skipping around and talking to the trees

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-03 Thread Michael Redler
particularly the surfaces. There might be some folks out there who can biofacture the enzyme from the fungus. Tom Irwin From: Michael Redler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:38:32 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms I hope

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-03 Thread Fred Finch
From: Michael Redler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:38:32 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms I hope your friend isn't too adventurous. You might find him with more than

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-03 Thread Brian Rodgers
Hehe I hope your friend isn't too adventurous. You might find him with more than his shoes off, skipping around and talking to the trees. :-) Mike Yep no doubt about it, but it might be a good idea for more of us to try a little "talking to the trees". Let's see if Mother Nature

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-03 Thread Brian Rodgers
Hello Fred thanks for the input, even if it does pop another bubble, dammit. Mushrooms like the same sugars that yeasts like. So a lot of what you are trying to get from the wood is what the fungi consumes. I have cultured both yeasts and fungi and had to have completely seperate laminar

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushrooms

2005-08-03 Thread Tom Irwin
: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:30:23 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood using mushroomsHello Fredthanks for the input, even if it does pop another bubble, dammit. Mushrooms like the same sugars that yeasts like. So a lot of what you are trying to get from the wood is what the fungi consumes. I

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from Sorgum please

2005-08-01 Thread mustafa majid
: Mark Klein To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from Sorgum please Mark- Hey- This is interesting stuff. I'm a forester and trying to deal with the age-old problem of what to do with all that brush that grows wild here

[Biofuel] ethanol from wood please compliment

2005-08-01 Thread Brian Rodgers
Hi Brian, You are fortunate to have walking encyclopedia in your dad. Nurture him well. Thank you too Manick. Yes, my Dad stills gets around on the ranch. We are grateful that his health is holding and truth is I am kind of hoping that I look that good when and if I live to be 87 years

Attachments - was Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from Sorgum please

2005-07-31 Thread Keith Addison
Mark Klein wrote: It is Ethanol made from sweet sorghum. Ssorghum. Why do we need Sorganol®? Sorganol® is the BEST Alternative Fuel Crop In the Continental United States to Grow For the production of Alcohol snip Thankyou. However the list is set to reject attachments and html code, I

[Biofuel] ethanol ranch brewed

2005-07-31 Thread Brian Rodgers
Thanks Mark That's an interesting idea and I am pleased people are thinking about ways to makes ethanol out of crops. I always wondered where molasses came from. I live in Northern New Mexico and I am afraid that our growing season is too short for most crops. I do want to try on a small scale

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-31 Thread Brian Rodgers
Thanks for the note Manick. It sounds like you have "been there done that" with cellulose to sugar to ethanol. Every technological term in you letter sends me off looking up meanings. Thank goodness for Google SO3 Sulphur Trioxide, my search found that this can be a byproduct of coal powered

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please compliment

2005-07-31 Thread Manick Harris
Hi Brian, You are fortunate to have walking encyclopedia in your dad. Nurture him well.Yes pressurised SO3 being a gas would mix better than LIQUID, without heavy milling machine.It is just a suggestion. Thanks very much for "been there done that" compliment. It will keep me going in good spirit.

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Brian Rodgers
I am new here, but this certainly looks like the place to be. I my opinion looking at ethanol strictly from a BTU to create over BTU available leaves out too many important variables. Even if with Ethanols numbers looking dismally uneconomical to many people who I will call naysayers the

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Manick Harris
I did this in the80s as an one-time expt. Boiled sawdust in 30% H2SO4 for 3h, neutralised with lime, filtered and fermented the sugar with yeast into alcohol which was recovered by distillation. Reckon sawdust/biomass wastecan be obtained at v.low cost. Cost of H2SO4 can be offset by value of

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Brian Rodgers
That is very cool. I have seen this process somewhere. H2SO4, that is Sulphuric Acid right? I have a friend with a small sawmill and a 2000 gallon tank sitting idle, he is going to use it for rainwater collection. I asked him if he ever fermented sawdust. He said, It composts pretty well when

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Manick, Brian I did this in the 80s as an one-time expt. Boiled sawdust in 30% H2SO4 for 3h, neutralised with lime, filtered and fermented the sugar with yeast into alcohol which was recovered by distillation. Reckon sawdust/biomass waste can be obtained at v.low cost. Cost of H2SO4

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
Also this: Ethanol from cellulose http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#cellulose Wood-Ethanol Report: Technology Review, Environment Canada 1999 -- good overview of the problem and the current solutions on offer. Go to the Biofuels Library. Fuel From Sawdust -- by Mike Brown (from

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread RobertCVA
What kind of "residue" is left from wood or these other alternative inputs to the ethanol production process. Anything of value, like seedcake from biodiesel production? Anything harmful? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Robert What kind of residue is left from wood or these other alternative inputs to the ethanol production process.Anything of value, like seedcake from biodiesel production? Anything harmful? I suggest you read the Wood-Ethanol Report, in the links I posted before, here:

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from wood please

2005-07-30 Thread Manick Harris
I used sawdust from Malaysian hardwoods like Meranti. I think any cellulosic material will do. One report states concentrated sulphuric acid and sawdust can also be milled together ( try !:1 ratio initially) into glucose at room temperature, ie 25C. This could be attempted with 2 roll mill set

[Biofuel] Ethanol from CAFTA FTAA

2005-07-27 Thread MH
Guebert: Get ready for big ethanol imports under trade pacts June 26, 2005 http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/062605/bus_20050626002.shtml The harder anyone scratches CAFTA, the Central American Free Trade Agreement pushed by the White House, the worse the smell in American agriculture

[Biofuel] ethanol backers reject study

2005-07-21 Thread Alt.EnergyNetwork
NE - Supporters reject study that says ethanol of dubious worth http://www.journalstar.com/latest_reg/?story_id=225011 Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from animal waste

2005-07-11 Thread Pannirselvam P.V
Helo Because pig waste has 80 porcent water , biogasification will be the correct choice followed by termal cracking/gasification .Thus the energy input can be minized as rapid bioconversion is also the comercial process. Energy balance can make the etanol process less

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from animal waste

2005-07-11 Thread 6 Heins
I live in an area that has large numbers of dairy farms. Does anyone know If this is possible with dairy cattle waste? Thanks, Steve --- Pannirselvam P.V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Helo Because pig waste has 80 porcent water , biogasification will be the correct choice

Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from animal waste

2005-07-11 Thread marilyn
The message I sent was truncated so it did not include the following contact info at the end: Ethanol Producer Magazine 308 2nd Ave. North Suite 304 Grand Forks, ND 58203 (701)746-8385 Fax:(701)746-5367 Voice Toll Free: 866-746-8385 Also, one of the authors of the article at the university in

[Biofuel] ethanol from animal waste

2005-07-09 Thread marilyn
Robert mentioned his concern over the masses of animal waste pouring into the rivers. I found these articles showing how in N Carolina they are starting to make pig waste into ethanol. Has anyone researched this area? Marilyn http://mark.asci.ncsu.edu/SwineReports/2001/03manbrett.htm

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and NASCAR ?

2005-05-02 Thread Jonathan Schearer
Indy will probably be the first hopefully with others to follow. http://www.brownfieldnetwork.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=69FD3C50-A34F-E19A-D22EFD83833FDE48 MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Senators Urge NASCAR Officials to Switch to Ethanol USAgNet 04/29/2005

[Biofuel] Ethanol and NASCAR ?

2005-05-01 Thread MH
Senators Urge NASCAR Officials to Switch to Ethanol USAgNet 04/29/2005 http://www.wisconsinagconnection.com/story-national.cfm?Id=452yr=2005 U.S. Senator Jim Talent (R-Mo.), co-chair of the Senate Biofuels Caucus, sent a letter to NASCAR CEO Brian France urging him to switch from

[Biofuel] Ethanol and Thunder Road

2005-04-28 Thread MH
Thunder Road stock cars not go karts who may use E85. --- Most any car on the road today can operate on an up to 25-percent ethanol blend, Curley says. A fuelish idea Ethanol will gas Thunder Road cars April 27, 2005 By Peter Hirschfeld Times Argus Staff http://www.timesargus.com

[Biofuel] Ethanol, Saab Sweden

2005-04-22 Thread MH
Brazil, as the biggest and most advanced producer of BioEthanol, has already shown the world how to produce large volumes of ethanol, without any subsidies, at a lower cost than the world market price of gasoline. In a comprehensive 2004 study, the International Energy Agency, an OECD

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol, Saab Sweden

2005-04-22 Thread Keith Addison
Thanks for this. Brazil, as the biggest and most advanced producer of BioEthanol, has already shown the world how to produce large volumes of ethanol, without any subsidies, at a lower cost than the world market price of gasoline. In a comprehensive 2004 study, the International Energy

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol, Saab Sweden

2005-04-22 Thread MH
Your welcome Keith and I think I understand what you've said {further below} and to me it seems to coincide to some extent with these news items mentioned by others here before which utilizes organic farming methods and locally produced renewable energy. Organic farming points way to

[Biofuel] Ethanol from cellulose, industrial

2005-04-20 Thread dwoodard
Some competition for Iogen. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -- Forwarded message -- From: EERE Network News [EMAIL PROTECTED] A weekly newsletter from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) http://www.eere.energy.gov/Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy

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