e to get settling times on quite a few
batches of "poor quality" BD, but won't be running any 'good quality" batches,
for comparison, for a few weeks.
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 4:41
Hi Tom;
If the answers to questions 2 and 3 are yes then it would explain a
lot. Then the anwer to question one could be that although the BD did
not pass the QT if it was settled long enough that there is no glycerol
it would be consistent with the emergent theory. No?
Joe
Thomas Kelly w
On Friday 8/10, I noted that:
>II. Glycerin Cocktail: Time to Separate
>(wash test)
> good quality BD + water + glycerin cocktail > 2 hours*
> poor quality BD + water + glycerin cocktail > 2 hours*
It almost 2 days for the "good quality" BD
Thanks a lot Tom for all that work in a short time. You have really
shed some light on this discussion. Jumping to your questions at the
end, it seems clear then that Jan and Andres were right on and it must
be the soap and mono-diglycerides etc rather than the glycerine itself
which is the c
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Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:08 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] glycerin blocks
Can you make glycerin blocks from non gelling glycerin?
I have about 20 gallons of liquid glycerin and about 5 Gal.
ic.
Thanks for the reply
Jeremy
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Jeremy,
>Can you make glycerin blocks from non gelling glycerin?
Jeremy,
>Can you make glycerin blocks from non gelling glycerin?
>I have about 20 gallons of liquid glycerin and about 5 Gal. that gelled.
>
>Jeremy
Pure glycerol will melt somewhere around 20C I believe. However, if you have
any impurites (espically Methanol) then it will stay in a liquid sta
dear keith
your abstract massage
It was a forwarded message.
is interesting
what do you meant by electricity produced by
digestion? is it biogas production by using glycerin?
Dr.Paulraj
It seems clear enough:
Forwarded message from a Journey to Forever reader.
Best wishes
Keith
Hel
p. But it can't be used to make soap.
>
> Glycerol is an alcohol. Fats/oils are required to make soap.
>
> Todd Swearingen
>
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Paul,
Do you mean glycerin or the glycerin layer as there is a big difference?
Andy
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> can some glycerin be added to new oil to make a soap?
> Farmer Paul
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Glycerol is an alcohol. Fats/oils are required to make soap.
Todd Swearingen
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can some glycerin be added to new oil to make a soap?
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From: Legal Eagle
G'day JD;
Using a simple to make condenser. There is an example at the bottom of
the
5
gallon processor at JtF
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html
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From: Legal Eagle
> G'day JD;
>
> Using a simple to make condenser. There is an example at the bottom of the
5
> gallon processor at JtF
> http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html . I have just
finished
> one of these and am hooking it up to a pressure co
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By evaporation...Is there an easy, non-expensive way of doing this using
standard eqipment t
If you have a sealed container with a vent line, source of hot water
(above 75C) and cold water - yes. Run the hot water around the sealed
container or put the sealed container in bath of hot water. This will
boil off the MeOH - add hot water as needed. The vapors will travel
out the vent. The
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From: Andrew Cunningham
> -Or you could just recover the alcohol before burning.
>
> Andy
By evaporation...Is there an easy, non-expensive way of doing this using
standard eqipment that could be purchased anywhere in the world (i.e. the
UK)?
JD2005
You don't lose anything as you leave it in there on purpose, it adds to the
combustability of the glycerine "log".
Luc
-Or you could just recover the alcohol before burning.
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Ok Thanks,
The burning idea with the milk cartons looks really good to us here.
We're
b
Ok Thanks,
The burning idea with the milk cartons looks really good to us here. We're
burning wood and stuff on an old oxfordshire range here at the moment.I
wouldn't put one on untill we'd got a really hot fire though because of the
poison fumes it can cause.Also you stand stand to los
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Thank you for this thread. It is one of the best threads at the moment
because it is constr
Thank you for this thread. It is one of the best threads at the moment
because it is constructive.
When you make boifuel you are left with alot of glycerin we all know that.
What we don't know is what this glycerin can be utilised for.
Also if the glycerin is from a wvo reaction to make rem or
Tracy,
I am currently taking classes towards a Masters in Health Product
Regulation. I have spent a lot of time with various FDA regulations
and the way I would interpret "most" is that it has to more than 50%
of the final product. Therefore you could take pure soap and mix 49%
dirt into it an
No.
First, you would need to find to incorporate an emuslifying agent to get the
glycerol to mix with the oil.
Second, you would also be adding a water fraction unless you distilled it
out first. (The presumption is being made that you are speaking of
glycerol/ffa separation as discussed at
http
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> How does one get rid of the "glycerol" from bio-diesel production?,
> especially in larger quantities...is it more cost effective and
> environmentally responsible to invest in gly
How does one get rid of the "glycerol" from bio-diesel production?,
especially in larger quantities...is it more cost effective and
environmentally responsible to invest in glycerol processing equipment
so one doesn't have to "discard" the entire mixture?
Kim
Sac, CA
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>Is there anyone in Western Canada that will buy the glycerin I get
>from my diesel?
>
>Brent
>Sask. Canada
You'll be very lucky to sell it in the raw form. It's not just
glycerine, as Todd already explained to you:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=24684&list=BIOFUEL
If you separate it
How much is the commercial value of glycerine
anyhow?
Mark, England
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The "glycerin" layer is not just glycerin, nor is it primarily glycerin. The
rule of thumb is ~79 mililiters of glycerin for every liter of feedstock.
This actually makes the "glycerin" layer more of a "soap" layer than
anything else, at least if you name something by its highest constituent
volum
>Hi
> can anybody tell me wether glycerin made from the Jatropha
>Carcus(Physic nut) is Toxic or not. I want to use Jatropha oil for making
>biodiesel. I want to know wether glycerin obtained from this process has the
>same market value as glycerin produced from other oils. Information on
>J
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Get rid of the methanol and it makes great hand cleaner/de greaser
David
At 07:37 PM 30/05/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>I reply to:
>I am a member of this group since 2000, but I had no
>quastion until now. I have a big problem what to do
>wi
HYPERLINK
"http://www.herbalhut.com/mfrs/hh_raw_materials.asp"http://www.herbalhut.com
/mfrs/hh_raw_materials.aspÊsells it for $46.96 a gallon "wholesale"
Ê
Ê
Sell it as hand lotion? Glycerin is sold in the states as "Corn Husker's
Lotion".
Need some 1/2 pint bottles and a bottling machine.
It
Thanks Ray
Barryt
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From: Ray Hough
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton
Torr is about the same as mm. of Hg pressure. 760 is one atmosphere. If you
set up a simple still it
Thanks Steve for the info.
Barryt
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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton
An older unit of pressure is the Torr ( 1 Torr = 1 mmHg ). One atmosphere is
ca. 760
0 torr etc? I haven't got a clue what that means.
>
>Barryt
> - Original Message -
> From: Martin Klingensmith
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton
>
>
> 760 torr
June 17, 2001 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton
> Martin,
> What is 760 torr etc? I haven't got a clue what that means.
>
> Barryt
> - Original Message -
> From: Martin Klingensmith
> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
> Sent:
Martin,
What is 760 torr etc? I haven't got a clue what that means.
Barryt
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From: Martin Klingensmith
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Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin distillaton
760 torr, 290 degr
760 torr, 290 degrees C
20 torr, 182 degrees C
.0025 torr, 50 degrees C
This is the data I could find, I am assuming it would
be quite difficult to do, you would need a good vacuum
pump and a whole lot of heat energy.
-Martin Klingensmith
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> can
Hi Keith and All,
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>
> >As far as I know, sodium chloride cristals are
> naturaly anhidrous. It seems
> >to me that this will not work.
>
> Sodium chloride is very hygroscopic (absorbs water).
> I'm interested
> t
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>I would also like to know this.
>-Tim Z
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>From: "ronald miller sr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 7:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [biofuel] Glycerin and absolute alcohol
>
>
>Could someo
I would also like to know this.
-Tim Z
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Could someone help me? I am new to all of this. I want to make ethanol
gt;
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Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 6:31 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Glycerin and absolute alcohol
> Hi Ricardo, Ken, Marc and all
>
> >As far as I know, sodium chloride cristals are naturaly anhidrous. It
seems
> >to me that this will not work.
>
> Sodium chloride is v
27;s a good thing for
this to happen to us hegemonistic Anglophiles occasionally (often?),
puts things in perspective, eh?
>Ricardo.
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>Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:23 PM
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> >
> >By the way, Ken Provost, if you're reading this, salt (sodium
> >chloride) is cheap and obtainable enough, and easy to dry. Any idea
> >how much wate
>
>By the way, Ken Provost, if you're reading this, salt (sodium
>chloride) is cheap and obtainable enough, and easy to dry. Any idea
>how much water a pound/kilo of salt would absorb?
>
I read EVERYTHING :-)! Thx for reminding me -- I actually bought a big
box of rock salt to play with, and it's
>Thanks Marc for your contribution with this "oldtimer".
>If you can scan the relevant pages, I«ll appreciate it very much.
>Regards.
>Ricardo Tournier
Yes, indeed, thankyou Marc. If we could nail down the purifying and
impurities issues, the whole process could be almost self-contained,
the ho
Thanks Marc for your contribution with this "oldtimer".
If you can scan the relevant pages, I«ll appreciate it very much.
Regards.
Ricardo Tournier
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Subject: [biofuel] Glycerin and
>CAWKI?
Good heavens, Ed - Civilisation As We Know It. Demise generally dated
circa 1970.
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> > Sue if you will, see if I care! They were all volunteers, doing their
> > bit for science, for the world, for the future of CAWKI, and for me.
> > They signed affidavits before willingly stepping into the fray, one
> > and all. Okay, so I used a whip, but there were no witnesses.
> >
> > Keith
> Sue if you will, see if I care! They were all volunteers, doing their
> bit for science, for the world, for the future of CAWKI, and for me.
> They signed affidavits before willingly stepping into the fray, one
> and all. Okay, so I used a whip, but there were no witnesses.
>
> Keith Addison
> J
>Stop the madness!! W.O.R.M.S. (World Organisation for the Rights of
>Muckeating Species) strongly objects to this sort of testing!
>
>;-)
>
>Ed B.
Sue if you will, see if I care! They were all volunteers, doing their
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They s
Terry wrote:
>Was the glycerol free from methanol.
>If not, the worms probably died from alcohol poisoning.
Yes, I used pharmaceutical-grade glycerine rather than biod WVO
gunge, in the interests of reducing variables. Haven't got any biod
stuff right now anyway (soon).
Best
Keith Addison
Jo
like
> to have the book to add to my collection!
>
> David Cruse
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> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 12:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin
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> Hi David C,
> Before racing out and spending all your money try your
> local large city library. After all this is what you pay your taxes and
&
Hi David C,
Before racing out and spending all your money try your
local large city library. After all this is what you pay your taxes and
rates for. Also try your local University, Chemistry, and Engineering school
libraries. Most loan books on payment of a small fee. America is
. I`ll keep you posted on my
search, and everyone else of course also.
David Cruse
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> David C,
> T
David C,
The chapter you need to concentrate on is Ch 8: "The recovery
and refining of glycerine". 62 pages in total covering a wide range of
topics in relation to Glycerine including: Analytical tests and
specifications, Purification of soap lyes and sweet waters, Evaporation of
Pur
Was the glycerol free from methanol.
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Muckeating Species) strongly objects to this sort of testing!
;-)
Ed B.
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>
> Hi David C,
> Went to town this afternoon and dug out the books on
> Glyceryn. Couldnt find one of the ones I w
Hi David C,
Went to town this afternoon and dug out the books on
Glyceryn. Couldnt find one of the ones I wanted but found the other which is
excellent and I would recommend, Dug out 4 books, 2 on Glycerine, and 2 on
Fatty acids or Fatty Alcohols, which are related topics, espec
Hi David R.
Thanks again.
David Cruse
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> David,
> Normally go into the city once or twice a week anyway to get
>
David,
Normally go into the city once or twice a week anyway to get
supplies and other things so no problem.
B.r., David
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> Nope sorry changed my mind. No seriously will try and remember. Books are
> held by Auckland Public Library (40 km away) so will try to look next time
I
> go into the city if it is open.
> B.r
, 2001 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] glycerin
> Hi David R.
>
> Thank you , I will remind you later on.
>
> Thanks again,
> David Cruse
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Hi David R.
Thank you , I will remind you later on.
Thanks again,
David Cruse
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> David,
> Yes. If I dont get
David,
Yes. If I dont get back to you in a week give me a reminder. Both
books were good but one was excellent.
B.r., David
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> Hey
recovery.
Thanks again for the help.
David Cruse
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> > I want to know about
> > the vacuum/ heat extraction meth
Hey David R.
If that message was directed at me (David C.)
That would be kind indeed !
David Cruse
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> Hi David,
>
> I want to know about
> the vacuum/ heat extraction method in more detail,
> so if you have some good info I would appreciate
> your help. I`m not sure what VOC output is
> so please fill me in on that.
.
David,
Vacuum is not necessary for ev
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> Soap production sounds a little more promising.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Appal Energy"
Hi David,
Can dig out a couple of good book titles from the library if
you give me time.
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> David,
> Unfortunately the only way to purify it properly and get an
> absolutely pure product is with distillation. Commerci
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> > Does anyone know a process that can be
> > used to purify the glycerin produced in the
> > biodiesel reaction into a
David,
Unfortunately the only way to purify it properly and get an
absolutely pure product is with distillation. Commercial processors use
other screening and filtering processes such as fullers earth which gets rid
of some of the gunk but to get it really pure they still need distillati
Soap production sounds a little more promising.
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>
> > David Cruse
> ...
> David,
>
> Here's the skinny on glycerin.
>
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> Does anyone know a process that can be
> used to purify the glycerin produced in the
> biodiesel reaction into a pure or high grade
> glycerol ? High grade glycerol has a much
> better market value than the crude ( 80-88% )
> glycerin you get with standard bi
I think that our local treatment plant just wants to know when, how much
per flushing, and what is it (glycerine in this case). I don't think
that it qualifies as "toxic waste" just waste.
geoff
anton and federica wrote:
>
> I know i should look in the website index, but i have never been abl
Does anyone have any references on how to refine a crude glycerine
mix in order to obtain pure glycerine? How do industrial producers do
this?
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Kelly,
You will have just seen the reply from Osman Korca. This is a
pretty good break down of the basics. I have only really started researching
this in the last 3 weeks so have no first hand experience to go on. The
figures that Osman quotes agree with my research. The $1000 a ton see
not aware of how this could be done.
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Well, first things first:
glyc can't be broken down to glucose since it has fewer C atoms.
Second:
glyc is a flat chain of three C atoms, glucose is a ring compound of five
C atoms and one O.
So glucose is a heterogeneous ring compound. There is a process
called glycerolysys in bio-reactions - ap
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