Hello Tom
Hi folks,
I hope everyone is reading all the attachments to articles on this topic.
I'd hoped everyone would be reading the responses, but it seems not,
in your case:
Somebody quoted it as a source and I told him it's an anti-source.
The links at the Weekly Standard entry at
Well.. I would have to think a 22 MPG SUV is a step above the 13-16 MPG SUV
of 25 to 30 years ago. As long as families continue to have 3, 4 or more
kids, with some of them being 6 foot giants the demand, for larger vehicles
isn't going to subside soon. Shoot it's going to be difficult enough to
Respectfully; Have to? AFAIK there are still grain varieties that allow
producers to save grain from the current crop to plant the next crop. As
well as heritage fruits and vegetables, that can go year to year,
generation to generation. Perhaps from the standpoint of production numbers
and cash
That or simply stating the belief that, God did shed, his grace on America.
In the event that make Americans guilty of pride, I'll let others figure
out.
Doug, N0LKK
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typical think-tank rubbish. an opinion piece masquerading as serious (and
unimpeachable, of course!) historical analysis.
the thing is, the piece is desperately short on analysis, though long on
subtext. he rather selectively piles up a bunch of data about the tactical
situation in the
Hello;
You will get far more than 22mpg with diesel.
Unless of course you are looking for very large capacity engine (like 6
litres) which and average city user does not need.
Over here (outside of USA) you can buy 2.5 to 3.5 litre diesel engined
SUV's and Vans.
You will get at least 25mpg.
i forgot to mention, if you hadn't figured out what that weekly standard
piece was all about by the time you'd reached the author's fifth coded
reference
to the pro-communist, pro-gay agenda, tree-hugging, tax-and-spend,
anti-patriotic, anti-american, anti-life, terrorist-loving liberal elite,
Rattlesnakes do strike without provocation, I just don't want them around,
but I don't go out of my way to seek them out to hunt them down. I would
rather the bull snakes handle the rodent population.
Doug
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To:
Just realized I posted with a banned subject line. Where it had little to
do with chain letter, I should have changed the subject line to better
reflect the content. Can only hope Keith is in an easy mood today. Anyway
anything with [Biofuel] guns in the subject field is ruled to be deleted,
Hi Keith and Doug and All ;
Respectfully, you are absolutely correct that you can
still by seeds that are heirloom. This is the
present time. What is frightening is the direction
that the planet is headed.
How long before these heirloom seed suppliers are
bought by the agro giants? How long
Hi Marilyn ;
I understand that castor oil absorbes ethanol but not
water.
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/eth_separate.html
Best Regards,
Peter G.
Thailand
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I know someone who developed a way to remove alcohol
during
fermentation, which would
Hi Kim,
Thanks for the info, I suppose there are not any bright breeds that will actually feed themselves. I´ve never had Muscovy ducks. Someone once told me they taste a little like veal. Any truth to this?
Tom Irwin
From: Garth Kim Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
Garth Kim Travis wrote:
H Kim,
I'm looking more for control of very small patches. I use a whacker
mostly, but a few places need a squirt. I can't imagine it would be
more than an ounce or so.
Greetings,
Concentrated vinegar, sprayed on a hot sunny day will kill post
emergent weeds, if
Greetings,
Yes, plain store bought vinegar doesn't kill much but the 20% vinegar that
is 4 times stronger can really work well in the proper conditions.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 10:35 PM 8/8/2005, you wrote:
Vinegar seems to work pretty good on dandelions, not
much effect on other weeds. I
Where would one get it? If I try to make I always seems to
get vinegar worms...
Garth Kim Travis wrote:
Greetings,
Yes, plain store bought vinegar doesn't kill much but the 20% vinegar
that is 4 times stronger can really work well in the proper conditions.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 10:35
Any farmers on this list?
SCO tried something similar by suing the entire world, claiming it owned
Linux. It failed.
Perhaps this is a good time to look into seed banks and get to work
contacting your government representatives.
I can recommend Daniel Charles's /Lords of the Harvest:
Greetings,
There are some breeds that will actually breed and raise their own
young. I haven't had turkeys for about 5 years, so I am not naming
breeds since I would probably mix them up. The turkeys that have
been bred to have the heavy breasts are the worst, the closer to wild you
can stay,
Greetings,
I buy mine at the feed store. There is a web site, but I lost it in the
last crash, it will tell you the nearest retailer in the US and Canada.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 06:05 AM 8/9/2005, you wrote:
Where would one get it? If I try to make I always seems to
get vinegar worms...
Not in a Hummer-sized or Expedition-sized vehicle you won't! I counted
over 30 that don't even get 20 mpg on EPA's website.
I have a VW Golf and get at least 43-46.
The US doesn't sell small diesels, except the Jeep, but it's so heavy it
still get no mileage. Isuzu was was the last carmaker
Also, you can't set up a Biodiesel plant in the US. It's illegal to
sell fuel unless you have it tested by ASTM, which costs a fortune.
You can brew your own or as part of a coop.
-Mike
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Hello;
You will get far more than 22mpg with diesel.
Unless of course you
Nah, what you have is explosive soap. It's hard to sell. Not even Ebay
can move it.
Appal Energy wrote:
Derick,
Still, treat a small sample with concentrated sufuric or phosphoric
acid and observe.
Todd Swearingen
DERICK GIORCHINO wrote:
Thanks for the response. I feel that I may
Tom Irwin wrote:
Hi Kim,
Thanks for the info, I suppose there are not any bright breeds that
will actually feed themselves. I´ve never had Muscovy ducks. Someone
once told me they taste a little like veal. Any truth to this?
Tom Irwin
Hi!
There are wild turkeys in my locale that are
I was talking toa friend that races cars and
he said that methanol kept for a long??time degraded and didn't work as well. Is
this a problem for us?
As a matter of interest does biodiesel make the
sump oil in your car go as black as dinodiesel?
Cheers Ian
Hi All.
I am new to the list and to BioFuel. I am looking
into starting a business producing Biofuel for resale in the North East. Does
anyone have any advice before I get to far into the research as to the
viability. I am looking to start production rates at about 500 to 1000 gal a
day.
The air cooled condensor of the back of a refrigerator from the tip works well.
Bert
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Dear All-
Does anyone out there have a creative off the shelf idea for a total
condenser
(methanol recovery)? I'm thinking about building an air-cooled type,
I'm driving a non turbo 1.9l diesel golf and I'm getting 47-50mpg. At
only 65bhp it's not much fun to drive. However with Diesel costing
(equivalent) $4.76 per US gallon in the republic of Ireland, it's
more of a necessity.
On 9 Aug 2005, at 12:23, Mike Weaver wrote:
Not in a
And what can you do with the broken soap ?
Met dank en vriendelijke groet,
Pieter Koole
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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:45 PM
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Derick,
Still, treat a small
Hello Ian.
Answer #1: Methanol attracts water. So,
old methanol is not anhydrous, which it has to when producing
biodiesel.
Answer#2: Yes, but it takes a little
longer.
Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB
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Our King Brown snakes are not a friendly snake: they are territorial, and will
attack if cornered. However, we rarely have a person in Australia die from
snakebite. Snakes, as I have said are a protected animal.
I would imagine that if you are far enough away to kill a snake with a gun,
the
Hi Keith,
I can't read what will not come up on my computer screen. I have tried repeatedly to bring up that site and my computer just runs and runs. Suspicious for sure but I'm merely ignorant not lazy.
Tom Irwin
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Hi Keith,
I tried accessing that site repeatedly and my computer just churns and churns and never gets there. I've even done the usual stuff like truncating web site name down a bit and still it just churns. This is suspicious to be sure. I may be ignorant but I'm not lazy.
Tom
Matt~
You might consider an ethanol distiller. Some nice ones are for sale
at: http://www.brewhaus.com/Distillers-and-Parts.asp
~leif
On Aug 8, 2005, at 7:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear All-
Does anyone out there have a creative off the shelf idea for a total
condenser
Hi all,
IMHO you get together with other Heirloom farmers and sue the seed companies first for contaminating your stock of unmodifed seeds. Make it a big class action suit. Find a hardass lawyer who will persue it with righteous vengence and bring these corporations to their knees. Remember
I have a hot-rodded TDI running on BD and it screams! I am looking at a
better clutch because it puts out so much torque. I got rid of my V8
Mustang
and am glad I did. This thing is a blast, and still gets great mileage
w/ almost no nasty tailpipe emissions.
Joe McCarthy wrote:
I'm
I'm in. Where do I send my check?
Tom Irwin wrote:
Hi all,
IMHO you get together with other Heirloom farmers and sue the seed
companies first for contaminating your stock of unmodifed seeds. Make
it a big class action suit. Find a hardass lawyer who will persue it
with righteous vengence
You can make one very easily by running a peice of 1/2 inch copper pipe
inside a peice of 3/4 inch copper pipe with reducing tee fittings on
either end. Just take a rat tail file and slightly file the inside of
the reducing tee until the 1/2 inch pipe slides right through. Make the
1/2 inch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm in. Where do I send my check?
Tom Irwin wrote:
Hi all,
IMHO you get together with other Heirloom farmers and sue the seed
companies first for contaminating your stock of unmodifed seeds. Make
it a big class action suit. Find a hardass lawyer who will persue
Hi All,
Just a quick note from the microbiologist running around my head. If you are using concentrated vinegar as weed killer be careful at what time of year you use it. Fall and winter is the best time. Soil bacterial love acetate ion as a source of food. Your basically adding a lot of
Hi Kim,
Thanks, I'll keep looking. BTW which duck controls mosquitos in ponds, mallards or muscovies?
Tom Irwin
From: Garth Kim Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:16:25 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] TurkeysGreetings, There are some
HI there Pannirselvam,
Interesting to note that jelly solid ethanol has the attention of the UN.
Is there anywhere I can extract this literature? Thanks.
Jeff
MALAYSIA
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To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Hi Mike,
Can you (or others) expand on this please? How much of a fortune? I've
been searching for info on the tax and regulatory issues of producing
and selling BD on a small scale. I wouldn't mind joining or starting a
co-op, but cooperatively-minded folk are thin on the ground in South
Don't do this! While the comment below may be technically correct,
there aren't 'enough' of us to do this and buying shares only encourages
Monsanto to keep it up. IMHO our energies and monies are better spent
trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and environmentally unsound
practices
Greetings the skapegoat
The JTF website strongly recommends washing and the Josh Tickell
book seems to suggest it isn't necessary and possibly even
detrimental.
Bad book! See:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31729/
You might also note that the JtF website says why it strongly
Hi Keith,
I can't read what will not come up on my computer screen. I have tried repeatedly to bring up that site and my computer just runs and runs. Suspicious for sure
I think the suspicion is in the eye of the beholder, or perhaps his computer set-up - SourceWatch and PR Watch and the
Just realized I posted with a banned subject line. Where it had little to
do with chain letter, I should have changed the subject line to better
reflect the content. Can only hope Keith is in an easy mood today.
:-)
No problem.
Anyway
anything with [Biofuel] guns in the subject field is
Hi Keith,
You misinterpret my suspician. My suspician is that the site is blocked from me. I work at an embassy school and will try again at home. I don't always evaluate newspapers just individual reporters. I look for my U.S. news in British papers and my European news in certain American
Forgive me for being so dense lately Keith. I took you to say the
discussion of firearm regulations was to cease and was off limits in the
future. Do you also mean we aren't suppose to comment on our own firearm
ownership/use? Not that I really mind if that's the case, but it's so easy
to find
While, I'm thinking out of the salvage yard, not off the shelf, but would
Automotive A/C condensers work? Perhaps the process would be too corrosive
to the aluminum, I don't know. Just blurting out what came to mind, sorry.
Doug
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Hi Peter,
I have to agree the future is frightening. Corporatism is here, has
been here for quite some time, I don't see USA legislators tackling the
problem in favor of both the Ag. producer and the consumer of Ag. production
or the courts ruling in favor of the growers. The same USA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Peter,
I have to agree the future is frightening. Corporatism is here, has
been here for quite some time, I don't see USA legislators tackling the
problem in favor of both the Ag. producer and the consumer of Ag. production
or the courts ruling in favor of
Yes an automotive radiator will work too. In fact occasionaly people
making illegal ethanol for drinking try to use automotive radiators as
condensers. Then you hear the story about how they get lead poisoning
from the solder used to fabricate the rad. Even an air cooled coil of
copper can
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From: rich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Potential solution: Maybe create a non-proprietary seed bank?
Hi Rich- I believe grass roots seed banks and seed exchanges
ASTM testing is at the end of the process. We are also struggling with
taxes and licensing and posting bond related to transporting the waste
veggie oil. There is quite a bit of resistance to these technologies.
Truckers, renderers and petro companies do a much better job of lobbying
than the
Most domesticated type turkey's are mentally challenged.
OTOH, wild type turkeys, while skinny in comparison are very intelligent,
and as a group they will make a big dent in the local snake population (
even poisonous snakes ).
Greg H.
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From: Garth Kim Travis
Think about a air conditioner outside coil. The kind used with home A/C units. These things get junked all the time. I have only seen aluminum ones but if aluminum is OK then you have a good condenser.
~BEST~Roy
Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes an automotive radiator will work too. In
Isn't jelly solid ethanol Sterno fuel? Or is Sterno made with
methanol?
It's hard to imagine that there's any energy advantage to jellied fuels
over woody plants for cooking purposes, I know that many third world
areas have extreme shortages of cooking fuels or firewood, but it seems
like
Just wondering if anyone had any input. I have been thinking about
Biodiesel, and I came across a mosquito trap at the hardware store that uses
propaine run across titanium to crack the hydrocarbons down to CO2 and
attracting mosquitos. I was wondering if the same theory could be used to
Malcolm,
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you, I missed your post.
I have done some thinking and reading about the CO2 and H2S issues in
BioMethane.
If the BioMethane is bubbled through lime water, the CO2 will combine with
the Calcium in lime water, to make CaCO3 ( calcium carbonate or
I have a 2002 VW Jetta TDI which I have been running on Soy Biodiesel for
6000 miles. It is an automatic so my mileage hasn't been as good as the
manual. I used to get 38 mpg with dino but I only get 32 with the bio.
Does anyone have a comparison.
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Hi Rich,
I can't help you there. I'm not a lawyer and I haven't bought my farm yet. I'm still doing my research on JTF.
Sorry,
Tom Irwin
From: rich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:16:24 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism[EMAIL
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes
I deconstructed that Washington Post story in my blog.
http://blog.john-hayes.com/?postid=122
jh
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There is (apparently) more than one recipe for sterno.
We had a thread going a while back that included a method: calcium acetate (egg shells and vinegar) with ethanol.
MikeTarynToo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't "jelly solid ethanol" Sterno fuel? Or is Sterno made with methanol?It's hard to
Both do well as do Peekings, which are also good to eat.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 10:28 AM 8/9/2005, you wrote:
Hi Kim,
Thanks, I'll keep looking. BTW which duck controls mosquitos in ponds,
mallards or muscovies?
Tom Irwin
From: Garth Kim Travis
[
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
To:
Hi Keith.
Sorry if you took my previous long winded reply as a direct
reply/criticism - it wasn't intended that way.
Instead, it was a broader essay I posted to my blog as as the
culmination of thoughts that have resulted from the dialogue here, as
well as at tdiclub.com, and in real life.
Hi Kim,
Are the Peekings good fly eaters like the muscovies?
Tom Irwin
From: Garth Kim Travis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:36:02 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] TurkeysBoth do well as do Peekings, which are also good to eat.Bright
Hi all,
Thanks for the info. I really want to do turkeys but the idea of wild birds on free range seems like a lot of work. It there not a tweener turkey breed that is not real stupid but would stay withing mobile fences without escaping?
Kill the corporation,
Tom Irwin
From: Greg and
Hi All,
Do I detect the big hand of government squeezing the small business owner for corporate America here?
Tom
From: Ric Cuchetto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:50:42 -0300Subject: RE: [Biofuel] ASTM, was ... Diesel Won't Solve...ASTM
What can I say, John? Both statistics and observations are both too
malleable. This could become perceived myth versus perceived myth, judging
others by what they drive and where we can't fully know what drove their
decision, I really don't want to go there. Thank you for taking the time to
Greetings,
Sorry, but I never noticed either breed eating a lot of flies, so I just
don't know.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 03:23 PM 8/9/2005, you wrote:
Hi Kim,
Are the Peekings good fly eaters like the muscovies?
Tom Irwin
From: Garth Kim Travis
[
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
To:
Greetings,
There are some breeds that are domesticated but not overbred for
production, so they still have some brains. Check with you local
hatchery, they should know the good and bad of all breeds they
carry.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 03:33 PM 8/9/2005, you wrote:
Hi all,
Thanks for the info.
Howdy Jeremy, short answer, no. All the trap is doing is burning propane to
make co2.
Jeremy Farmer wrote:
Just wondering if anyone had any input. I have been thinking about
Biodiesel, and I came across a mosquito trap at the hardware store that
uses propaine run across titanium to crack
Hi Doug.
Frankly, I was very disappointed with your reply.
In our culture, yes, we have a right to an opinion, but others also have
the right to tell so how and why our reasoning is flawed. And in the
words of advisorjim (http://advisorjim.dailykos.com/) We're all
entitled to our own
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't do this! While the comment below may be technically correct,
there aren't 'enough' of us to do this and buying shares only
encourages Monsanto to keep it up. IMHO our energies and monies are
better spent trying to expose the lies, hidden agendas, and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: "rich" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
Potential solution: Maybe create a non-proprietary seed bank?
Hi Rich- I
Diesel may not be a cure-all, nothing is. But I think it is one of the
best shots the little guy has to regain control over his energy needs.
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Pieter,
The broken soap is nothing more than free fatty acids, with a
glycerol/alcohol/water/residual-acid layer beneath it and (if using
potassium hydroxide as the original catalyst) solid fertilizer beneath that.
FFAs in their pure form are only slightly more viscous (hadly
noticeable)
At 01:33 PM 8/9/2005, you wrote:
Thanks for the info. I really want to do turkeys but the idea of wild
birds on free range seems like a lot of work. It there not a tweener
turkey breed that is not real stupid but would stay withing mobile fences
without escaping?
We use India runner
I thought VW only made the Golf / Jetta diesel in the TDI (Turbo) model. Is
the model you own only sold outside of the US?
Bud
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From: Joe McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check
Hello Doug
Forgive me for being so dense lately Keith. I took you to say the
discussion of firearm regulations was to cease and was off limits in the
future.
Regulations?
Do you also mean we aren't suppose to comment on our own firearm
ownership/use? Not that I really mind if that's the
Hi Keith,
You misinterpret my suspician. My suspician is that the site is
blocked from me. I work at an embassy school and will try again at
home.
Sounds most improbable.
I don't always evaluate newspapers just individual reporters.
It depends which newspapers, and which reporters.
I
Not necessarily.
More like the big hand(s) of soybean interest(s) manipulating a set of
controls to as best as possible guarantee that they get their
research, testing and investment monies back. Forget that the monies
they used are from a per bushel tax on beans, designated for use to
Dear Mr. Farmer:
seems a good idea. Keep searching, wish you good luck.
F.J. Burgos
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From: Jeremy Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:45 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] titanium
Just wondering if anyone had any input.
Hi There:
The following US patent offers making biodiesel by adding 15% MeOH
and running the mix at 85degC past very high DC electrode to get
100% conversion - no glycerine, it is converted to 1,2,3-proprionate.
The only other byproduct is hydrogen. Very cool, just a little
scary.
While researching online re: methanol recovery, and the current thread
on ethanol, I found what seems to be a great site on everything one
would want to know about the distillation process.
It's at:
http://lorien.ncl.ac.uk/ming/distil/distil0.htm
I've only gotten part of the way through all
Hi Pannirselvam it would be better if it could remain in that stat when it gets
hot could be messy if it were in a back pack and melted.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 6:13 AM
To:
Thanks Jan
But is that a yes or a no on question
1
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From:
Jan Warnqvist
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 12:20
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] methanol
Hello Ian.
Answer #1: Methanol attracts water. So,
old
Ill combine my answers.
Bob
Yes, you need a cellulase to extract glucose and there are many with those from Trichoderma reesei being the most common and most studied with the genome known (?). The glucose has many uses with ethanol being just one of them losing ~ half of the starting material
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