[Biofuel] Anyone find a source for used centrifuges?

2005-10-17 Thread Matt Yarrison
Dear All- I'm helping to set up a small scale (about 5-8 thousand gallons per year) processing unit at Rice University. This is a completely student run project, and we've got most of the kinks worked out. One problem we have is that one of the colleges on campus somehow manages to

[Biofuel] Propane heater

2005-10-17 Thread Jeromie Reeves
I have a propane heater that every 6 weeks or so becomes clogged. The substance looks like 10 weight oil. I would love to turn this unit over to a SVO burner of some type but have not seen anything suitable for a camp trailer. Any ideas on what this stuff is and if there is a heating unit that

Re: [Biofuel] Start Up Problems

2005-10-17 Thread Ian Theresa Sims
G'day Peter Sounds like water in there somewhere. Check you oil for water. Methanol is a hygroscopic substance and if the tins been left open in humid conditions it to may have water in it? See the JtF site for more info on water in oil. I have seen items on the list about hydrogenated oil ?

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-17 Thread David Miller
Kurt Nolte wrote: On 10/16/05, *Jeromie Reeves* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a rotary engine that doest take those delicate graphite seals? Long story short I had one via my lil brother that only had 1 working cell and still put out

[Biofuel] almost too embarrassed to ask

2005-10-17 Thread Kenji James Fuse
Hi all, My name's Kenji Fuse and I'm a homebrewer in Victoria, BC. Still killing myself stirring the stuff manually, so I'm ready to build a sealed processor. I have a question to put out to you fine experienced folk: what's the best mechanical method of mixing? Does the Clear Water pump really

[Biofuel] Test Batches

2005-10-17 Thread bio
I have made a few test batches and they all seem to end up hazy with a dark layer on top. Is this what happens when the reaction is not complete? I use Phenolphthalein and am concerned that it is not working correctly. I checked the PH with PH paper after titrating and the PH was 7. I had to add

Re: [Biofuel] results, now test

2005-10-17 Thread Thomas Kelly
Juan, I know the feeling. Questions: 1. Did it pass the "shake test" prior to washing? 2. Did it wash without emulsion and was the final wash water clear and the same pH as the water you used to wash it? If so, the BD is good. The question is, how good? Todd S. and Jan W. suggest

Re: [Biofuel] Americans ugly and otherwise...

2005-10-17 Thread bob allen
Now don't start inviting everybody to the Ozarks. I warn any and all that we more ticks, chiggers, poison ivy, and greeenbriar than anywhere on the planet. absolutely inhospitable these Ozark mountains. Persimmons are ripening now and attract no end of critters- skunks, possums, armadillos,

Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll

2005-10-17 Thread John E Hayes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Government meddling in a free-market economy is never a good thing. a) Well, removing the billions in corporate welfare the petroleum industry gets from the government might be a good place to start. Why ExxonMobil needs my tax dollars to fund RD when they had $25

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-17 Thread Joe Street
Ok here's another one for you. Still in research but looks promising. http://www.limtechnology.com/ Joe Greg and April wrote: Prototype 42 hp Engine 6 inches dia. 6 inches long 42 hp at 7000 rpm 40lbs. Tested at NAVAIR PSEF Oct. 2003

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution

2005-10-17 Thread Joe Street
Here's a way to make a home brew magnetic stirrer for doing titrations in a test tube at next to no cost. Go to a surplus store and look for small DC motors. Look for ones that are about 30-50 mm in diameter depending on the size of your test tube. I got some motors with a plastic cap at the

[Biofuel] WVO Market Question

2005-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Greetings all: I have a good friend in the restaurant supply business and he has access to pretty much all the WVO he wants. I do not think he is interested in refining it to BD, with all the attendent hassles, but he did point out it would be pretty easy to de-water and filter it, and then

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
And another - http://www.axialvectorengine.com/ Joe Street wrote: Ok here's another one for you. Still in research but looks promising. http://www.limtechnology.com/ Joe Greg and April wrote: Prototype 42 hp Engine 6 inches dia.

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-17 Thread robert luis rabello
I've been looking at this one for a long time: http://www.freedom-motors.com/ Apparently, it can run as a gen set with externally mixed diesel fuel and the engine puts out very little in the way of pollution. Unlike some of the other manufacturers we've discussed on this list,

Re: [Biofuel] Suggestions for a homemade lid

2005-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Ken So, I have this stainless steel container that's probably in the 10-15 gallon range. Seems a shame to not make some use of it except that I didn't get a lid with it and my pal doesn't it either. The inner diameter is 15 inches. The outer diameter is 15 9/16 and the height is 25 1/2

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-17 Thread David Miller
robert luis rabello wrote: I've been looking at this one for a long time: http://www.freedom-motors.com/ Apparently, it can run as a gen set with externally mixed diesel fuel and the engine puts out very little in the way of pollution. Unlike some of the other manufacturers

Re: [Biofuel] Anyone find a source for used centrifuges?

2005-10-17 Thread logan vilas
http://www.rousselet-robatel.com/products/lls.php I was quoted about 2 weeks ago. under 16,000 for a rebuilt BXP 130P. The same unit new is just under 28,000. That should do about 3 gallons per min. but they have some sizes that are not much larger. I don't know about useing it to remove large

Re: [Biofuel] Plastic solar cells using reused plastics and biofuel making

2005-10-17 Thread Joe Street
Hi Pannirselvam; I don't see any reason why the electricity needed for your BD production cannot come from a P.V. source, but in order to make it useful you will need significantly more P.V. capacity than needed for one production run if you wish to have the flexibility to run it at any time.

Re: [Biofuel] almost too embarrassed to ask

2005-10-17 Thread Bill Vaughn
I have made over 900 gallons of Biodiesel. The cheapy clearwater pump hasn't disolved yet and no explosions or mishaps. Bill From: Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] almost too embarrassed to ask Date:

Re: [Biofuel] Plastic solar cells using reused plastics and biofuel making

2005-10-17 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Since most of the energy for BD production is heating (right? -- I haven't calculated out kilojoules used for different uses), I would use solar thermal collectors instead of PV. Small PV array to run the pumps/mixer etc. Solar thermal collectors are 40 - 80% efficient, so the area will be much

Re: [Biofuel] Plastic solar cells using reused plastics and biofuel making

2005-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Piedmont Biofuels in Pittsboro NC used Solar. Works fine. They are friendly - you could call them. Joe Street wrote: Hi Pannirselvam; I don't see any reason why the electricity needed for your BD production cannot come from a P.V. source, but in order to make it useful you will need

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-17 Thread robert luis rabello
David Miller wrote: I love looking at new engines:) How'd that old mazda commercial go? Engines that go h ? You're dating yourself, now! (And me, too!) I didn't see the bit about genset usage. The diesel usage looked like it just adjusts the mixture some, uses a

Re: [Biofuel] WVO Market Question

2005-10-17 Thread Ken Provost
On Oct 17, 2005, at 7:03 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: I have a good friend in the restaurant supply business and he has access to pretty much all the WVO he wants. he did point out it would be pretty easy to de-water and filter it, and then just package it in 35 lb containers. I told him I

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-17 Thread Kurt Nolte
From what I understand, a rotary engine is actually a step /down/ in thermal efficiency; maybe it's just the materials used, but I seem to hear something about how they may have more power density, but their thermal efficiency suffers too much to really make them widespread.It's not the

Re: [Biofuel] Anyone find a source for used centrifuges?

2005-10-17 Thread Brian Rodgers
Hello Matt My son in-law was telling me last year that as water well electrician he helped setup a centrifuge to remove sand from drinking water. He described a large device, but it did fit in the well house and it ran entirely on the movement of the water. It had some sort of clean outs I don't

Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches

2005-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
I have made a few test batches and they all seem to end up hazy with a dark layer on top. Is this what happens when the reaction is not complete? No, but what's the dark layer on top? Do you mean you think the biodiesel layer is darker than it should be? I use Phenolphthalein and am concerned

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale

2005-10-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Kurt, Brian Wow, the Dark Ages are back! LOL! Um. Look, I really don't want to put a damper on your enthusiasm so I'll try not to but I'm in wonderment at the way you're going about it. This just isn't what it's all about. I think you're missing the point. At least one, IMNSHO. You've

Re: [Biofuel] WVO Market Question

2005-10-17 Thread Mike Weaver
Thanks! Ken Provost wrote: On Oct 17, 2005, at 7:03 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: I have a good friend in the restaurant supply business and he has access to pretty much all the WVO he wants. he did point out it would be pretty easy to de-water and filter it, and then just

[Biofuel] Ethanol in St. Petersburg Times (FL, USA)

2005-10-17 Thread Alan Petrillo
http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/17/Worldandnation/Ethanol__Is_it_the_an.shtml AP ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:

Re: [Biofuel] cost of B100 versus Petro in the Midwest USA

2005-10-17 Thread Jason and Katie
Jason, Shouldn't you factor in some sort of labor cost even if you make the BD yourself (ie, how long would it take to make and how much would you pay someone, in this case yourself, to make it)? is there no other overhead in addition to the cost of the fuel? what about fixed overhead

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-17 Thread David Miller
Kurt Nolte wrote: From what I understand, a rotary engine is actually a step /down/ in thermal efficiency; maybe it's just the materials used, but I seem to hear something about how they may have more power density, but their thermal efficiency suffers too

Re: [Biofuel] Test Batches

2005-10-17 Thread tanuki
Hi Keith, I'm not sure but I had that first experience too. I just posted my results a few minutes ago. If you look at the picture at the JTF Make your own biodiesel contd page (biodiesel_make2.html) you will notice a thin layer seemingly on the top portion. I noticed that too when I made my

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-17 Thread David Miller
robert luis rabello wrote: David Miller wrote: I love looking at new engines:) How'd that old mazda commercial go? Engines that go h ? You're dating yourself, now! (And me, too!) Hey, I can remember Coke I'd like to teach the world to sing commercial. I was

Re: [Biofuel] methoxide solution - missing scale

2005-10-17 Thread Brian Rodgers
Hello Keith Thank you for the thoughtful and considerate review of my weekend's fun in setting up our first mixer and solution of methoxide. Wow, the Dark Ages are back! LOL! How true, for me I don't know about Kurt. Um. Look, I really don't want to put a damper on your enthusiasm so I'll try

[Biofuel] Mexico Looking for Biodiesel Help

2005-10-17 Thread yolanda
Yolanda Medina is trying to find someone who is making biodiesel in the Mexico area and willing to help him with the learning curve.She can be contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED]No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding.Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com

Re: [Biofuel] Suggestions for a homemade lid

2005-10-17 Thread Brian Rodgers
Great advice I will try it as well on a HDPE drum I have. Brian Rodgers On 10/17/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ken So, I have this stainless steel container that's probably in the 10-15 gallon range. Seems a shame to not make some use of it except that I didn't get a lid

Re: [Biofuel] Anyone find a source for used centrifuges?

2005-10-17 Thread stodd2
The US Navy uses (or did use) oil purifiers made by DeLaval that used centrifugal force. They would remove water and debris. IIRC, they processed 225 gph. They were fairly simple to operate once you got the hang of it. You may be able to find one surplus. I have been told they are similar

[Biofuel] first test batches

2005-10-17 Thread tanuki
June 29, 2005. I remember that day. I rue the day that I joined this list!! Now my wife says I'm like a crazy Dr. Frankenstein going through his over 60 emails a day!! hahaha Well, folks, yesterday, I made two test batches and I am staring at the two bottles I have. The first test batch

Re: [Biofuel] first test batches

2005-10-17 Thread Appal Energy
Tanuki, BTW, can anyone tell me why there seems to be a layer of dark stuff on top but actually isn't there if you take a careful look. It's the miniscus (cup like) effect. If you'll notice the sides of the vessel you'll see the liquid contents climbing up a bit in comparison to the

Re: [Biofuel] Multi Fuel Engines

2005-10-17 Thread robert luis rabello
David Miller wrote: Hey, I can remember Coke I'd like to teach the world to sing commercial. I was pretty young then though, so that does help date me:) I was born during the Kennedy administration . . . Typical 4 stroke otto cycle (OK, that's redundant:) engines usually run in

Re: [Biofuel] almost too embarrassed to ask

2005-10-17 Thread Derick Giorchino
Well I use a clear water pump from harbor freight tools aprox $27.00 on sale and that is an item that is almost always on sale. I used a drill at first with a paint paddle through a steel top. After Keith made a coment about how it didn't sound so smart I built a sealed reactor from 55 gal drum