Does anyone know a good site for the latest info on the production of
ethanol from biomass, waste, cellulose etc. I found some info on
SWAN Biomass winning RD prizes in 1998 but was unable to find any
sites with up to date info on the progress of this technology or of
companies currently
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Does anyone know a good site for the latest info on the production of
ethanol from biomass, waste, cellulose etc. I found some info on
SWAN Biomass winning RD prizes in 1998 but was unable to find any
sites with up to date info on the progress of this technology or of
companies currently
For Hakan to be right about the UN the states that are members would have
to, at least the majority, be democracies and as that is not the case in
the vast majority of members it causes the concept to not work and is one
of the main causes of the ongoing failures of the UN to get much done. When
I found at http://www.herzo-agenda21.de that there is
a process called Dos (Direktverflussigung Organischer Oubstanzen)
or Direct Liquefaction of organic materials.
It seems that this process have been developped at the Technical
University of Hamburg-Harburg and is being marked by a company
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Keith,
I'd like to take this opportunity to express my admiration at the
restraint you (and others) have been able to show in dealing with
what I perceive to be a 'Corporate Raider'. I am not currently
capable of it.
Dear Curtis,
At 11:12 PM 11/8/2002 -0600, you wrote:
... somewhat represent a world democracy is UN?? Democracy must be
shown at a global level to survive??
Long term it is, otherwise we will repeat the 2,500 year old story.
Pardon if I offend anyone on this list ... but the concept of a
If the definition by democracy is the will of the people and not the US
republic democracy, you will be surprised if you sum them up. You will also
be surprised of how many non-democracies that are supported by US. On the
issue of corruption and manipulation, some of our most known
It's not only eerie, it's outright unacceptable. Sam, John, the UN is
coming, the UN is coming..
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Keith,
I'd like to take this opportunity to express my admiration at the
restraint you (and others) have been able to show in dealing with
what I perceive to be a 'Corporate Raider'. I am not currently
capable of it.
For Hakan to be right about the UN the states that are members would have
to, at least the majority, be democracies and as that is not the case in
the vast majority of members it causes the concept to not work and is one
of the main causes of the ongoing failures of the UN to get much done. When
The spirit of nationality is a sour ferment of the old wine of
tribalism in the new bottles of democracy.
Within which neither works out too well. Nations are an
anachronism, and have been for quite a long time, leading to a very
large proportion of the problems, destruction, corruption, and
Hi Keith,
I do not find any mention or defense of the US in my text and I agree with
much of what you said. I do still maintain that there are many more
countries represented at the UN that do not meet the Hakan test of a
democracy and If we were to look at it from a one person one vote it
I do still maintain that there are many more
countries represented at the UN that do not meet the Hakan test of a
democracy..
Iraq comes to mind.
Chris Thornton
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Alex writes:
Suggest political discussions should be directed to political
discussion groups--unless they directly empact on the production,
distribution, and sale of bidiesel.
Balderdash! In light of the recent elections in the US, which gave Bush
the power to proceed, unrestrained, with his
Suggest political discussions should be directed to political
discussion groups--unless they directly empact on the production,
distribution, and sale of bidiesel.
Alex Landels
We don't have a lot of rules here, but one of them is No topic
cops. We have had this discussion a few times, between
The true American people saw the light and realized it's going to take a
Republican run government to get anything done, and said so with their vote.
Democrats are not patriots. They don't care what happened on 9/11.
Dash-hole tried everything he could to stop Bush from protecting the
Homeland.
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Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 22:12
Subject: [biofuel] There's gotta be a better way Was: BP now Direct
Democracy
Pardon if I offend anyone on this list ... but the concept of a world
democracy makes
Hi Keith,
I do not find any mention or defense of the US in my text
Didn't say there was, but it's your usual drift, isn't it? I said
it's what you seem to think, and indeed it is.
and I agree with
much of what you said. I do still maintain that there are many more
countries represented at
Keith I think your full of your self and full of it so
please de list me from 'your' discussion group.
Alex Landels
Hm, what a truly arresting response.
At least he finally figured he has to unsub himself, which every
message tells him twice, and duly did so. Bye bye!
It's really difficult
Jerk the other knee?
Thankyou!
Keith
The true American people saw the light and realized it's going to take a
Republican run government to get anything done, and said so with their vote.
Democrats are not patriots. They don't care what happened on 9/11.
Dash-hole tried everything he could to
The True American was blinded by fear of 9/11. John Ass-croft has
insisted that the rights of average Americans are un-thoughtfully
trampled and the average Joe (or more appropraitely Yusef) can be
held unconditionally and for as long as Ass-croft wants.
Bush got all of the lapdogs he needs
Unless the common man steps up to confront the evil in
charge of this world today, we will all lose what ever
rights we cherish. The NWO has steadily progressed with
their agenda, until it is almost too late for us to change
what they've planned.
As distasteful as discussing politics is, I
As interested as I am in the political discussion, I also have a very
specific biodiesel question. In the section of J-to-F showing Aleks'
acid-base method, picture 7 is labelled first-stage glycerine and
shows a layer of glycerine under some biodiesel/oil combination.
Was this a bit of fudging
Dear Keith,
I agree with Keith. Normally I do not like to discuss politics
and religion, because of the entrenched fanatics that often
are involved and the lack of progress of such discussions.
Energy questions are so involved in our way of life, economical,
political and society structures.
Well, I'm *still* nervous to what all this is leading up to.That's still
legal right?? I mean ... to be nervous??
A few thing that I feel must be corrected though ... so as people may
understand where I come from. As far a being spun by a flag, I understand
where you come from. However,
Curtis writes:
All this UN Countries needing to back down to what the UN
Resolution says ... etc. Bush needing to ask the UN security council
as-though (on a global scale) he's only a Representative in the (one big)
Global Senate.
Probably the best way for people to live is in separate
Hakan,
As much as I disagree with some of the views you have .. I couldn't help but
say that I agree whole-heartedly with your comment about how alot of these
issues are related to one another.
You put it very well!! Just had to say that.
Curtis
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Tut tut...
On the other hand:
... The study, by the Harvard Center for Risk Analysis (HCRA) at
Harvard School of Public Health, found, among other things, that
natural gas (LPG) reduces emissions of fine particulates, those
smaller than 2.5 microns, but may generate more ultrafine particles
Hi Ken
As interested as I am in the political discussion, I also have a very
specific biodiesel question.
It's okay, you're allowed to ask biodiesel questions too, LOL!
In the section of J-to-F showing Aleks'
acid-base method, picture 7 is labelled first-stage glycerine and
shows a layer of
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It seems you see things almost exactly as I do.
Thanks for showing me that what I see is at least one valid way to look
at what's going on. And I thought I was going crazy and needed to be
hauled away. (LOL!!) Maybe I *still* need to be!! (LOL!!).
Curtis
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Keith writes:
.somebody wrote to me offlist asking the same question, about #7.
I asked Aleks, and he said this:
Everything is like it should be. Different fats will give different
colours, a large and small batch are never the same, you know,
reaction kinetics is quite different in a
I happen to catch this mid-thread. I thought the NaOH was an essential part
of the biodieselic reaction (to make the methoxide). I didn't know you
could use acid to catalyse the reaction!! Can you??
Curtis
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Curtis writes:
I happen to catch this mid-thread. I thought the NaOH was an essential part
of the biodieselic reaction (to make the methoxide). I didn't know you
could use acid to catalyse the reaction!! Can you??
That's sorta what we're trying to find out here, but it's supposed to work.
Of
Ken,
that picture puzzled me too, when using acid/base I usually get only a small
amount of brownish deposit in the bottom of vessel, a bit more than the
ammount of acid used. Guess this is an indication of how little
transesterification takes place in the acid catalysed reaction.
Have you had
Keith:
Do you still have any records of Aleks' OLD method? Checking again
US Patent 4,695,411, I see they typically autoclaved the alcohol,
oil, and acid at something like 130C for 3 hours. The few examples
they give where they just refluxed the mix (BP of ethanol = 78C),
they ran it for 20-24
Which side of the spectrum are we on this one?
H.C.B.
The day was like any other, warm, sunny, and they scheduled rain for the
evening. For the last twenty years the air index has been on the low end
of the tolerance range. It was determined the range itself couldn't be
lowered further
Paul Gobert writes:
that picture puzzled me too, when using acid/base I usually get only a
small amount of brownish deposit in the bottom of vessel, a bit more
than the ammount of acid used. Guess this is an indication of how little
transesterification takes place in the acid catalysed
Hola Biofuelers,
Today was the first day of a four part Biodiesel class at the Ecology
center in Berkley. There was about twenty four people atending with Girl
Mark teaching, and her trustworthy assistant 'Methman' (ie. Jeff) in tow.
Below is a blow by blow of the first day. BTW, also got
I didn't say anything about your state, so don't say anything about mine.
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Don't blame the car manufacturers. Blame the diesel fuel producers. It's
very hard to produce a clean burning diesel vehicle when you're forced to
use high sulphur, rot-gut diesel.
Chris Thornton
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1998
Right on, brother, right on! Clearly the best thing that could
happen to the US at this point would be for Osama to light off one of
his suitcase nukes in Washington, DC at the next state of the union
address when *all* those scumbags were in town.
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You are defintely not a lover of this country if you want a nuke to go off
in this country.
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The true American people saw the light and realized it's going to take a
Republican run government to get anything done, and said so with
their vote.
You are so incredibly full of shit.
Democrats are not patriots. They don't
And you are a prick.
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From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL
Hi Ken
You might find this interesting, if you haven't already seen it:
Research into Biodiesel Kinetics and Catalyst Development, by Adam
Karl Khan, Department of Chemical Engineering, University of
Queensland, 17 May 2002 -- Acrobat file, 432Kb:
Curtis writes:
I happen to catch this mid-thread. I thought the NaOH was an essential part
of the biodieselic reaction (to make the methoxide). I didn't know you
could use acid to catalyse the reaction!! Can you??
That's sorta what we're trying to find out here, but it's supposed to work.
Don't blame the car manufacturers. Blame the diesel fuel producers. It's
very hard to produce a clean burning diesel vehicle when you're forced to
use high sulphur, rot-gut diesel.
Er, you're right, but that was in Germany, where they don't use lousy
US high sulphur rot-gut diesel fuel, much
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