Interesting news from India.
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From: Sivaramakrishnan Ananthakrishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:51:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [biofuel] Indian bio fuel drive
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Hi all,
India the second largest sugarcane producer has
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Bumper Mentality
By Stephanie Mencimer, Washington Monthly
December 20, 2002
Have you ever wondered why sport utility vehicle drivers seem like
such assholes? Surely it's no coincidence that Terry McAuliffe,
chairman of the Democratic National
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Detroit resurrects gas-thirsty sports cars
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DETROIT - Brushing aside pleas for better fuel economy, Detroit's two
largest automakers will add some
Good round up of resources at Environmental Media Services:
http://www.ems.org/oil_depletion/story.html
End of Cheap Oil Poses Serious Threat to World Economy, Experts Say
Biofuels at Journey to Forever
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Biofuel at WebConX
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For automakers, California holds a key
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LOS ANGELES - Toyota Motor Corp., which on Thursday unveiled the
second model in its Scion brand, will for the
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030104wo12.htm
Daily Yomiuri On-Line
Toyota to use eco-friendly plastic
Yomiuri Shimbun
Toyota Motor Corp. revealed a plan to use a newly developed plastic
made from plants to produce automotive parts starting in April, The
Yomiuri Shimbun has learned.
David, just to re-cap - we are talking about the dark, oily layer that
floats to the surface of the glycerine bi-product. Again, I don't know what
this stuff is and I'm not convinced it is FFA. The only sensible answer I
can think of is that it could be a result of scission of unsaturated fatty
Fred sent me this, with this comment:
This was sent to me. I see it as the problem with transportation.
It should not be fast and deadly. It should be slow and steady. To
get you and your stuff to it's final destination with little impact
on everything.
Perhaps these should be given away
Keith
Hi again Darren
*Blends may not be as suitable for these newer engines although
I'm not clued up on this. I know the Biopower Group (represented by
John
Nicholson) have been doing a lot of work on this for a while
now and I
know they have a number of vehicles running
400 mph and the operator is not even wearing a helmet!
Insanity.
Tom Leue
In a message dated 1/7/03 10:41:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Fred sent me this, with this comment:
This was sent to me.Ê I see it as the problem with transportation.
It should not be fast and deadly.Ê It
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:50:29 -0600
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I wrote:-
The alcohol content of a blend is likely to start to combust prior
to the oil content aiding the oils combustion. I know
Mercedes and others have used injectors that provide a pre
injection to start combustion before the main fuel delivery,
kind of a similar theory?
Having a
Hi all,
India the second largest sugarcane producer has
at last kick started the BIO fuel revolution in India.
Government has made it mandatory to add 5% of Ethanol
in petrol sold in 9 of 25 states from jan 1st 2003.
Remaining states will also be included may be in a
years time. Other
Dear Siva:
Nice to hear about the biofuel drive... :-)
India the second largest sugarcane producer has
at last kick started the BIO fuel revolution in India.
Hmm... IIRC, India is the topmost producer (at least for the past 2 years) -
and it is currently in the realm of 18 million tonnes
Hello Siva
Good news!
Hi all,
India the second largest sugarcane producer has
at last kick started the BIO fuel revolution in India.
Government has made it mandatory to add 5% of Ethanol
in petrol sold in 9 of 25 states from jan 1st 2003.
Remaining states will also be included may be in
Also this:
Options Payday: Raking It In, Even as Stocks Sag
David Leonhardt
New York Times, December 29, 2002, Section 3 page 1
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anted=printposition=top
This article reports on the large compensation packages that many top
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Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [evworld] Re: [biofuel] GM rethinks hydrogen fuel cells
Hakan Falk wrote:
Hi MM,
The number they give for hydrogen is 10%, you get
Ed:
:
- Older school buses get sold off for a reason. They are getting tired.
Also consider that they are used HARD, for a few hours each day, and
not much highway use. 50 kids, maybe 5000 lbs., a good load. Lots of
starts and stops at full or near full engine load. Then, they get sold
off to
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.story?coll=la%2Dnews%2Dscience
January 6, 2003
COLUMN ONE
Striking a Balance in the Forest
Environmentalists, U.S. officials and loggers fashion a plan for a
small piece of the Sierra. Still, some warn of pitfalls to
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=14839
Bumper Mentality
By Stephanie Mencimer, Washington Monthly
December 20, 2002
Have you ever wondered why sport utility vehicle drivers seem like
such assholes? Surely it's no coincidence that Terry McAuliffe,
chairman of the Democratic National
Hello Folks,
I have been following with interest the discussion about the FFA and the 2
stage process. After going through Alec«s process and Canakci/Van Gerpen
study (I am not a chemist) a couple of questions have arrised.
How is the FFA % determined in the used oil and can it be done in a
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DETROIT - Brushing aside pleas for better fuel economy, Detroit's two
largest automakers will add some
Good round up of resources at Environmental Media Services:
http://www.ems.org/oil_depletion/story.html
End of Cheap Oil Poses Serious Threat to World Economy, Experts Say
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
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USA: January 6, 2003
LOS ANGELES - Toyota Motor Corp., which on Thursday unveiled the
second model in its Scion brand, will for the
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030104wo12.htm
Daily Yomiuri On-Line
Toyota to use eco-friendly plastic
Yomiuri Shimbun
Toyota Motor Corp. revealed a plan to use a newly developed plastic
made from plants to produce automotive parts starting in April, The
Yomiuri Shimbun has learned.
Propane is getting very expensive, if one uses a generator run on WVO,
it is much cheaper than paying for propane. Also, it put fewer fumes
and gasses into the house, which is much healthier. I agree that one
should capture the waste energy heat from the generator, but rather than
using it
kirk wrote:
Expensive to buy means expensive when sold. If you can feed twice as many
with the same quantity of feed and sell each animal for as much or more as a
large one there is much more profit in the little ones all the rest being
equal.
Only true when expensive does not include
Hello,
This is Michael Cottle writing to you from Lima Peru.
I joined this group because I would to get in touch with colleges with
experience in biodiesel production who might be willing to help me devellop
a formulation (using ethanol instead of methanol) in order to come with an
Hi
I just sent my 4th unsubscribe request and I confirmed it also this and
previous times. I hope this will remove me as too much info comes to deal
with. thanks 4 ur attention.
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Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Hi
I just sent my 4th unsubscribe request and I confirmed it also this
and previous times. I hope this will remove me as too much info
comes to deal with. thanks 4 ur attention.
Well, I can't thank you for yours!! Having just been corresponding
with you offlist about unsubbing, about your
Fred sent me this, with this comment:
This was sent to me. I see it as the problem with transportation.
It should not be fast and deadly. It should be slow and steady. To
get you and your stuff to it's final destination with little impact
on everything.
Perhaps these should be given away
Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
murdoch wrote:
As to having a trailer behind an EV, first you'd need an EV, and that
can be done my many mechanics, but the auto companies are still largely
trying not to put them out there. But yes, dragging a generator behind
an EV,
Because of general demand (Kim and Alan), here you have my recipe for
marinated salmon, nothing unusual for Swedes, except the eternal
variations/discussions about quantities and details. A friend of mine here
in Spain, who runs a large hotel in the area, introduced it with great
success on
Ah! Hakan, I didn't realize you meant Gravad Lax - you get your
revenge, at last one of us imperialistic English-speakers falls into
the language gap.
Thanks for the recipe, excellent. Almost comes close to Cape smoked
barracuda, not quite though. :-)
I was just thinking, what the Biofuels
Yes Keith, it is very much on topic. -:)
Hakan
At 01:59 AM 1/8/2003 +0900, you wrote:
Ah! Hakan, I didn't realize you meant Gravad Lax - you get your
revenge, at last one of us imperialistic English-speakers falls into
the language gap.
Thanks for the recipe, excellent. Almost comes close to
Getting way off the original topic,I've got a question I';m too lazy to
google for (and think people might be interested in the answer to):
Any ideas out in this group on a cost comparison between the costs of
operating home heating oil furnaces (meaning potentially biodiesel heating)
and
There was a new process for Rayon recently that did away with all the
nasty stuffs, but I wonder if the mills would retrofit, unless prompted to
by the EPA. ;-)
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, murdoch wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:14:50 -0800 (PST), you wrote:
actually MM, Rayon is made from corn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The genset will be running CONTINUOUSLY 24/7 for otherwise I will be
without 120VAC unless I go into the unnecessary cost of inverters, a
large
battery bank of deep cycle type, automatic circuits to heat the WVO in
preparation for automatic start to recharge the
Keith
Hi again Darren
*Blends may not be as suitable for these newer engines although
I'm not clued up on this. I know the Biopower Group (represented by
John
Nicholson) have been doing a lot of work on this for a while
now and I
know they have a number of vehicles running
as if crotch-rockets weren't death BB's already .
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Keith Addison wrote:
Fred sent me this, with this comment:
This was sent to me. I see it as the problem with transportation.
It should not be fast and deadly. It should be slow and steady. To
get you and your
What is the cost limitations?
On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, girl mark wrote:
Getting way off the original topic,I've got a question I';m too lazy to
google for (and think people might be interested in the answer to):
Any ideas out in this group on a cost comparison between the costs of
operating
James,
There's one for $1450 - with a 4 speed, which allows it to get out of
it's own way - on craig'slist right now. That's a lot more than $500,
but it's a one-owner and an '83 (last year made.)
I'll send it to you.
Craig
James Slayden wrote:
Craig,
You serious about getting a 240D
At 06:06 PM 1/7/2003 +, you wrote:
I'm no chemist or combustion physicist and without more detail it's hard
to assess exactly what is going on. I will however make a few comments.
If there is more to making vegetable oil combust correctly other than a
low viscosity, then why do twin tank
Mark,
you wrote:.
snip
I've found in talking to people about it that this is a point that
undertrained people sometimes miss- Gray for instance had a long flush
cycle on his truck, and had a number of times and for various reasons
shut
down (and cooled his truck completely) on an
Craig,
You serious about getting a 240D for ~$500 running?!! I have ALWAYS loved
those cars!!
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, craig reece wrote:
Curtis,
Thanks for that amazingly clear explanation. You've made a compelling
case for the place of batteries in a genset-based system.
It seems to
Mark wrote:
Any ideas out in this group on a cost comparison between the costs of
operating home heating oil furnaces (meaning potentially biodiesel heating)
and propane heating? I know that I'm asking a pretty general question
without specifics on particular equipment, however, we're
At 10:16 AM 1/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
What is the cost limitations?
We're not sure yet- maybe used equipment that costs under 1,000, maybe much
more- the group the building is for is pretty good at fundraising for
specific equipment once they have an amount in mind (they've got
connections
Thank you, this is exactly what I was hoping to find!
Mark
This might help Mark, to quickly compare cost in US dollars
using their user friendly graphs between two fuels.
Energy Selectors
(for natural gas, propane, coal, #2 fuel oil,
electricity, firewood, wood pellets, corn)
With the rising
Let me search some links and see what I come up with. An option might be
a CHP option that would take care of lighting and doing radiant heating
in the floor. That would procude a nice kind of warmth. If there was a
battery with the genset then it could be utilized off-grid. Lots of
banter
At 19:07 Monday, you wrote:
gotta chime in here, though I don't want to revive the stupid 'biodiesel
VERSUS SVO debate, as both have their place-
While I agree that SVO is the wave of the future, it's important to point
out that it's very experimental- and a lot of the experimenting takes place
Girl Mark,
My first concern in designing the straw bale house would be to
maintain the good insulation in the roof construction. The losses
through the roof are twice or more than the losses trough the walls.
Straw bale is and should be an open construction, but for the roof
I would use a
let's seee,,
We have a lot of professional strawbale experience in our volunteer
builders' group, as well as being experienced in standard construction and
renewable energy, so we're not coming at this as novices. Yup, we';re
likely doing straw roof insulation, possibly looking into using
At 22:54 Monday, you wrote:
u there's one drawback of running a genset 24/7 that you may ... or
may not have considered. And that is that a genset is usually geared for
producing LARGE amounts of power all the time. Well, as long as it's
running anyways. When asked to produce
At 22:55 Monday, you wrote:
Neil wrote:
Remember, the genset will be averaging only about 2-3KW which will
not produce very much waste heat.
The following is fabulous since I had not yet run out the numbers for I
planned on using the waste heat providing it could be kept simple. The
Girl Mark,
At 01:20 PM 1/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
let's seee,,
We have a lot of professional strawbale experience in our volunteer
builders' group, as well as being experienced in standard construction and
renewable energy, so we're not coming at this as novices.
Great, neither do I.
Yup,
At 10:16 AM 1/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
What is the cost limitations?
We're not sure yet- maybe used equipment that costs under 1,000, maybe much
more- the group the building is for is pretty good at fundraising for
specific equipment once they have an amount in mind (they've got
connections
Why are there so many postings on food? I realize food is our biofuel;
but, discussing salmon recipies and mad cow disease amid vegitable oil
processing methods for use in cars is inconsistant. Perhaps those who want
to discuss the best breed of milk cow and other such items might want to
At 11:47 Tuesday, you wrote:
the building is only an 'outbuilding'- housing restrooms for the community
center
it gets year-round use in a very harsh climate, and needs to be comfortable
in a blizzard (and in the Plains 118 degree heat too!). The building
also serves some other uses, and in the
Hakan, thanks,
Yup, we';re
likely doing straw roof insulation, possibly looking into using light
clay-straw blocks, and lots of them, (depending on r-value comparisons) to
protect the straw somewhat.
Do consider a ceiling humidity barrier in combination with well ventilated
attic. Cheap and
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January 10th is the cutoff date for discounted rooms on Bourbon Street, so
if you're interested in learning
Damn! Look at the news report. Millions of Americans and their SUV!!
I love SUV's ... always have ... always will. Always will be pro-SUV.
But, by the same token ... I've always been a courteous driver.Always
conscientious. Always caring. EVEN A COURTEOUS SUV DRIVER.
What am I ...
I wrote:-
The alcohol content of a blend is likely to start to combust prior
to the oil content aiding the oils combustion. I know
Mercedes and others have used injectors that provide a pre
injection to start combustion before the main fuel delivery,
kind of a similar theory?
Having a
At 04:12 PM 1/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Have you considered the use of off-the-shelf waste oil burners being used
in garages? These are using waste engine crankcase oil with the smaller
units putting out 145KBTUs. Most garages like restaurants have to pay
others to take away the waste oil. Most
Hi Mark (and all): Just a bit more discussion on some of the points
you have made...
Ed
Ed: - Injection pumps fail on all sorts diesels (running diesel
fuel) all
the time, that is why you see so many injection shops.
(Mark) Me:
This is exactly the point I was making- people
Mark
Do an internet product search for waste oil heater and you will find
some. These are designed to burn waste engine crankcase oil, transmission
fluid oil, and other lubricating liquids common to car repair shops. They
usually say that the viscosity needs to be 50 or less. If using WVO
At 04:12 PM 1/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Hakan, thanks,
Passive solar design assumes that you have energy capture and internal mass
for to store it. A straw bale house might have too good insulation to be
fully compatible with most of those principles and benefit probably more
from internal
Mark:
I'm designing a straw bale house to retire into (as I've probly
mentioned), and one
of the things I've heard is that a system of PEX tubing in the floor
(concrete, adobe,
whatever) is NEVER a bad investment. Even if you never use it for the intended
purpose (heating :-)), you can block
Girl Mark,
Should work in adobe, but check with them. I think
that you even might be able to get them donate the
pipes for the house, since it is a charitable project
and it could be interesting for them to gain the
experiences.
http://www.wirsbo.com/
You do not have to do insulation layer
Willing to pay others for taking away waste oil yet not selling these
for residential use.
The situation ... understandable. But still I think ...very unfortunate.
Curtis
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Hi Hakan,
I live in California but we're building this place for someone else in
eastern Montana- near Canada, and extremely cold in winter and extremely
hot (115-120 F) in summer.
Let me explain again what I meant about our heating and cooling strategy,
as I think you and I are using
Any idea of costs on this material for this application (I unfortunately
don't have the square footage of the building in front of me)?
Mark
At 05:46 PM 1/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Mark:
I'm designing a straw bale house to retire into (as I've probly
mentioned), and one
of the things I've heard
Yeah ... was just a thought.
Curtis
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You make an interesting statement per using batteries as your primary source
versus a constantly running genset; except, the overal
I've been studying Hydrogen usage for quite awhile simply because I
wanted (really) ... to use it for fuel in my household.
But I got a feeling you're right ...it's too much of a pain to handle ..
and store. It's almost a fuel that doesn't WANT to be used as fuel. And
is stubborn about
h..
Live close eaten alive with taxes.
Live far less taxes ... but (assuming oil price rise) eaten alive with
fuel costs.
Are those choices?? Especially with (effective ... buying power-wise)
wages falling low??
Curtis
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It is pulsating oil furnaces that gives you the same efficiency as
gas, but currently not generally available.
If you purchase your pulsating furnace in the form of a high compression
diesel engine they are quite available.
If the mechanical work is used to drive a compressor you can exceed the
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http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-me-
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January 6, 2003
COLUMN ONE
Striking a Balance in the Forest
Environmentalists, U.S. officials and loggers
Mark asks:
Any idea of costs on this material for this
application (I unfortunatelydon't have the
square footage of the building in front of me)?
http://www.radiantcompany.com/prices/prices.shtml
First place I came to on a Google search -- don't know
ANYTHING about them
1/2 Dura PEX --
Ed and all,
Very good discussion, as was Neil's analysis of lessons to learn.
the points I was making quoted below that were unclear were that I've heard
the 'well it was just an old engine or they should have done it right and
if they'd done it right or used the right kit there'd be no
NeilUSA wrote:
Why are there so many postings on food? I realize food is our biofuel;
but, discussing salmon recipies and mad cow disease amid vegitable oil
processing methods for use in cars is inconsistant. Perhaps those who want
to discuss the best breed of milk cow and other such items
On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 07:35 PM, girl mark wrote:
Ed and all,
Very good discussion, as was Neil's analysis of lessons to learn.
Thanks again Mark - and yes, thanks Neil for the nice job.
The only, last point I wish to make is that for filtering there are
many options - we
Keith writes:
As for postings on food, the two subjects aren't really separable, on
several different counts.
For example, I have so many different types of oil (SVO and WVO)
in my garage right now, I have to taste 'em to tell 'em apart --
h, is this coconut, olive, sesame, corn, (all
At 06:28 PM 1/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Hi Hakan,
I live in California but we're building this place for someone else in
eastern Montana- near Canada, and extremely cold in winter and extremely
hot (115-120 F) in summer.
Ok, but the sun is more comparable to southern Europe since it is
And I last week got to experience (for the tenth time or something,)
watching Dave Williamson the manager of the biodiesel-fueled Berkeley
recycling truck fleet, give an interview to a reporter where he tried to
get the reporter to drink some biodiesel. I swear!
Mark
At 07:56 PM 1/7/2003
Call Wirsbo http://www.wirsbo.com/ and talk to them, I think
that you find them reasonable. If not, tell me and I will check if
I still have some of my contacts in Sweden. It is however
15 years since I had any extensive communication with them.
Hakan
At 06:30 PM 1/7/2003 -0800, you wrote:
Any
malcolm.scott wrote:
Could you give us a reference for that 80% too. I don't study the subject
but from what I've read you'd be lucky to get that 80% even with heat
recovery.
Malcolm
I should know better than to state something without checking facts! The
80% figure was one I
NeilUSA wrote:
At 19:07 Monday, you wrote:
gotta chime in here, though I don't want to revive the stupid 'biodiesel
VERSUS SVO debate, as both have their place-
While I agree that SVO is the wave of the future, it's important to point
out that it's very experimental- and a lot of the
I am 57 years old and have never wounded a game animal after I was 13. I
only had one prior to age 13 that took 2 shots. I was so ashamed I never
again experienced buck fever. It was a doe and she bleated like a sheep from
the pain.
I had my first real rifle at age 11 (3 months shy of 12)
And I last week got to experience (for the tenth time or something,)
watching Dave Williamson the manager of the biodiesel-fueled Berkeley
recycling truck fleet, give an interview to a reporter where he tried to
get the reporter to drink some biodiesel. I swear!
Mark
LOL!
Was Dave willing to
Only true when expensive does not include major traveling expenses.
You don't have a pickup or/and a trailer?
More essential than a horse these days.
Kirk
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To:
Neil wrote:
33% (2.5+5.0)KWh = 2.475KWh x 3412BTUs/KWh = 8445BTUs/h x 24 hours =
202,673/day
Looks good to me.
??? BTUs/h or /d to heat an average insulated 1,000 sqft cement floor
workshop to 70F when the outside ambient temperature is 20F with no wind.
It helps knowing the R or
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