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Welcome to the biofuels-biz group
Hello, I've added you to my biofuels-biz group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use service. Yahoo! Groups makes it easy to send and receive group messages, coordinate events, share photos and files, and more. (NOTE: biofuels-biz is an announcement/newsletter group, so only the group moderator may post messages.) My introductory message to you: bfb join Description of the group: This group is now closed. Please see the Biofuel mailing list.Address and subscription:http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel The Biofuel mailing list is for anyone who is making their own fuel or has an interest in biofuels - all aspects of biofuels use are covered. There are resources, FAQs, how-to's, full recipes and an online Biofuels Library at the Journey to Forever website, the premier source of small-scale biofuels information: Biofuels http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html Biodiesel - Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Straight vegetable oil (SVO) http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html Biofuels Library http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Ethanol http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html List home: http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel All messages are archived at the independent Info-Archive at NNYTech - fast, one-time searching and NO ADS: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Best wishesJourney to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ Important information about the biofuels-biz group * To leave the group, you can unsubscribe by replying to this message, or by sending an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * To learn more about the biofuels-biz group, please visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz * To view and modify all of your groups, visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Regards, Moderator, biofuels-biz Report abuse: Because Yahoo! Groups values your privacy, it is a violation of our service rules for moderators to add subscribers to a group against their wishes. If you feel this has happened, please notify us: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/abuse/index.html You may also change your email preferences to prevent group owners from adding you to their groups. To do so, please go here: http://groups.yahoo.com/s?tag=P0Lg67n28s6PTQfW29NEmF9ft9NFMjCA8dj-3yUOP69yWbazaco64pfOjrB7Bx-o8nnoKcHHcnxLerJD Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Did you consider how many kWh it would have taken for that 30 miles on hydrogen, then compared how many miles that amount of kWh would have taken you on a pure EV? More than 60 miles .. But a vehicle with a range of 60 miles is of less utility to me than one which can do 30 miles on home-produced, tax-free H2, and then make it home on commercial fuel. Note that when I say tax-free I'm thinking more about the taxes I have to pay on income (fed, state, unemp, socsec, etc.) than just road taxes. You're right that there are hidden costs in producing one's one fuel, but there are also a lot of hidden cost involved in working for a paycheck and then using net income to buy fuel. Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Congress Moves to Ease E85 Blending, lower costs of biodiesel
http://www.e85fuel.com/news/101104_veetc_release.htm As Oil Nears $54, Congress Moves to Ease E85 Blending Jefferson City, MO - Legislation that promises to streamline often complex and confusing tax issues surrounding E85 blending finally passed the U.S. Senate today by an overwhelming vote of 69 to 17. The Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (VEETC) provision contained in this FSC/ETI Jobs Bill, will significantly improve the distribution and availability of both E85 and biodiesel fuels. The U.S. House of Representatives passed the bill with a 280 to 141 vote last week, and the legislation has been sent on to President Bush, who has ten days to sign. We have been working on this legislation for about three years, said Phil Lampert, Executive Director of the NEVC. It is great to see all the hard work result in success! If President Bush signs the legislation, E85 will be blended and delivered with the same ease as gasoline. We feel confident the President will sign this important bill, commented Lampert. VEETC will include the following advantages for E85: *Any terminal location that now stores fuel ethanol and gasoline is a potential E85 distribution point. *Any terminal operator, refiner or marketer (distributor, jobber or retailer) who buys gasoline and ethanol as separate commodities can receive the $.52 per gallon federal incentive and produce ethanol blends of up to E85 regardless of their company's tax obligations. *These same suppliers can sell E85 to any reseller or end user with out concern about the customer's tax obligations. This could open E85 sales up to agriculture uses and off road equipment that can be converted to E85. *E85 could be sold through retail service station blending pumps if those stores also converted their premium gasoline tanks to ethanol. *E85 blends can be blended and sold with no loss of cash flow due to funds locked in escrow until year-end income tax settlement. *E85 profit margins can more easily be determined at the time of sale with out having to wait until year-end tax settlement. The bill will also include major benefits for biodiesel blending and will lower the cost of biodiesel to consumers and fleets. We would like to thank organizations such as the National Corn Growers Association and the Renewable Fuels Association for their assistance in addressing VEETC, said Lampert. About four million owners of E85-compatible vehicles will be able to benefit from the passage of VEETC. Vehicles such as the Ford Taurus, the Dodge Ram, and the GM Tahoe can fuel with E85. For a complete listing of E85 compatible vehicles or E85 fueling facilities, visit the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition website at www.E85Fuel.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100
be sure and have the dealer save the fuel lines so you can post mortem the reason. if that years Benz's or that model has extra small lines or pronte to clogging, let us know. were you running SVO or bio? b100? is it cold there yet? you may indeed have something caused by low temps as well. mel -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 10/11/2004 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = Patrick Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home(VoIP): 201.345.4133 Mobile: 201.693.5950 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
I don't think there is such a thing as a U.S. mile. Back in the 1950's my high school teacher told us that the U.S. and Britain had agreed to compromise on the Canadian definition of the inch as *exactly* 2.540 centimetres. So as far as the mile goes we're all on the same page: 12 inches to the foot, 5280 feet to the mile, and the inches are the same. I imagine the writer was thinking of U.S. gallons and got confused. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Donald Allwright wrote: What exactly is a US mile??? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion
Water vapor in the short run of course has more effect on the local weather considering rain fall and fronts etc. However CO2 will have much more effect in the long run considering global warming. The fact that all the other gases comprise less than 1% of the atmosphere means nothing. I sure you would not want to live in an atmosphere with 1 part per million of VX nerve gas. Ken --- robert harder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In most less techincal sources you will find the composition of our atmosphere listed as 20% Oxygen, 80% Nitrogen and 1% Other gases, which means that all of the greenhouse gasses that people are concerned about are so insignificant that together they total less than one percent of the atmosphere. Ask any meteroligist what has more effect on the weather co2 levels or water vapor levels, water will win every time. I did not give thought to what was said about water being a by product in either process and i that is a good point that was made, I am just concerned that everyone considers water a harmless by product but there is a balance to everything, and nothing is harmless. Although personally i do also beleive that the climate follows a pettern that is larger than we have the data to see, and although it may be getting warmer, i believe that there is nothing we can do about it, it is part of a cycle which will inevitably lead to an ice age and round and round the cycle goes, gt;From: quot;Appal Energyquot; lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; gt;Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt;To: lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; gt;Subject: Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion gt;Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:08:50 -0500 gt; gt;Bob, gt; gt; gt; I haven't done the gt; gt; calculations but it would not be difficult to determine the total water gt; gt; released from combustion of all fossil fuels. I doubt if it is a gt; gt; significant issue. gt; gt;Water vapor is a contributor to the greenhouse effect. A fossil-fueled gt;hydrogen economy could contribute a double punch to this problem, CO2 during gt;and post stripping phase and water vapor at the end use stage. That's rather gt;quot;significant.quot; gt; gt;As well, the entire concept of quot;insignificantquot; is a matter of subjectivity gt;and trivializes all things to a point of irrelevance - all too often the gt;intent - no matter how invaluable something's contribution may be.. Those gt;who could care less or couldn't be bothered to care all too off-handedly gt;dismiss anything as insignificant, no matter the end result being gt;catastrophic or incremental towards a productive goal. gt; gt;Nothing is quot;insignificantquot; and those who bandy the term about should be kept gt;under close scrutiny. gt; gt;Todd Swearingen gt; gt;- Original Message - gt;From: quot;bob allenquot; lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; gt;To: lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; gt;Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:54 PM gt;Subject: Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion gt; gt; gt; gt; Robert, the hydrogen in oil will end up as water regardless. gt; gt; Combustion of hydrocarbons produces CO2 and H2O. So whether you strip gt; gt; the hydrogen out of the fossil fuel and burn it or burn it while it is gt; gt; still part of the fossil fuel makes no difference. I haven't done the gt; gt; calculations but it would not be difficult to determine the total water gt; gt; released from combustion of all fossil fuels. I doubt if it is a gt; gt; significant issue. gt; gt; ; ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!
Are you just generating electricity or are you co-generating, using the waste heat from your diesel engine to heat your house getting more bang for the buck and saving even more energy. I don't know why more residential or commercial co-generation plants aren't used, especially in the northern climes. Ken --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Sorta Tonight we fired up on 50/50 Kerosene and Waste Vegetable Oil. The Detroit Diesel is loving the mix and is purring like a kitten! Smells sweet. The details of our oil filtration system are coming shortly. Tomorrow the heat exchanger gets installed in the Veggie tank for V100 (100% Veggie). We also hope to get the muffler installed . See the full article at http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Green-Trust_Heat_% 26_Power_System http://tinyurl.com/52a4v www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
- Original Message - From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100 be sure and have the dealer save the fuel lines so you can post mortem the reason. Sounds reasonable. if that years Benz's or that model has extra small lines or pronte to clogging, let us know. Actually it is touted as one of the better models to run BD in. were you running SVO or bio? b100? is it cold there yet? I have run B100 in it over the last couple months and logged a few thousands Km and it is just now showing up, as expected. you may indeed have something caused by low temps as well. Nope ! It sleeps indoors in a heated garage and it hasn't been cold enough yet daytime to worry about it. It is at the tank/fuel line end, for sure. I should have an exact causation by the end of the week at latest and will post accordingly. Luc mel -Original Message- From: Legal Eagle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon 10/11/2004 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Fw: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol
Do any one knows the chemical name or trade name of red dye to color diesel fuel?. Tks, F. - Original Message - From: Kenneth Kron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:42 AM Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol My dad used to work for a fuel station that sold off-road and on road fuel. He told me when they sold untaxed fuel and give you a container with enough dye to correctly dye the fuel you bought. Apparently they are audited for the amount of untaxed fuel they sell and the amount of red dye the consume with not much verification on exactly how these two items leave the premisies. kk Kirk McLoren wrote: I heard of a person who put red diesel in 5 gallon water bottles (lexan) and the sunlight caused the red dye to precipitate thus easily filterable. Lot of work I think to save a few bucks. Kirk Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't get caught with red diesel in your tank. passenger vehicles don't usually get checked, though my buddy, Eddie, did with his diesel suburban. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol Nothing says you couldn't do such, one thing to remember that the main difference is the additives, and that the slower running the Diesel engine is, the heavier the hydrocarbons ( and lower the cetane value of fuel ) that can be used, without to much problems. In theory, you could design a engine that ran on heavy crude oil, but, it would need to be a slow running engine. Diesel engines that run at higher RPMs, and Diesel engines that do a lot of speed changes ( low RPM / high RPM / low RPM / and high again, such as you find with around town driving ) needs a lighter hydrocarbon, and a higher cetane value for better performance. In theory a cetane value of about 45-50 is best for in city driving, although 40 would be fine for long distance hwy driving, 35 should be fine for a farm tractor and oil furnace use. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 15:52 Subject: Re: Was Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government/Now ethanol When I lived in Montana the local fuel supplier filled your winter tractor fuel tank and the oil stove tank from the same tank truck load. It was dyed red to stop its use on the highway. Kirk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
Israel also has ignored many more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel. Ken --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several Palestinians The United States will reportedly sell Israel nearly 5000 smart bombs in one of the largest weapons deals between the allies in years. The deal could face political controversy since Israel has used such bombs against the Palestinians. In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne bomb meant for a senior Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15 civilians in an attack in the Gaza Strip. The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in a Pentagon report made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli daily Haaretz said on Tuesday. Funding for the sale will come from US military aid to Israel. The bombs include airborne versions, guidance units, training bombs and detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing Israeli satellite used by the military. As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500 one-tonne bunker-buster bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls, 2500 regular one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500 quarter-tonne bombs, the daily said. Bunker bombs Known by the military designations GBU-27 or GBU-28, bunker busters are guided by lasers or satellites and can penetrate up to 10 metres of earth and concrete. Israel may already have some of the bombs for its F-15 fighter jets, the paper reported. As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15, I would assume them to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on satellite-guided bombs, would boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say. Israel very likely manufactures its own bunker busters, but they are not as robust as the 2000lb ( 910kg ) BLUs, Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, said. He said the bombs proved effective in the 1991 Gulf war and the more recent US-led invasion of Iraq . The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington .Israel 's Defence Ministry also declined to comment. The Pentagon wants the deal to maintain Israel's military advantages and ensure US strategic and tactical interests, Haaretz said. Bombs for neighbours? Haaretz said Israel sought to obtain the US-made, one-tonne bunker-buster bombs for a possible future strike against Iran or Syria . A senior Israeli security source confirmed the Haaretz story saying: ... bunker busters could serve Israel against Iran , or possibly Syria . Our response to any invasive measure will be massive, Massoud Jazairi, spokesman for Iran 's Revolutionary Guard, said in Tehran . Iran , which does not recognise Israel 's right to exist, says its nuclear programme has only peaceful purposes to meet its growing energy needs. An Iranian Defence Ministry spokesman said the disclosure of a US-Israeli deal could be psychological warfare to test us ... This relationship has a long history. The United States has given Israel more advanced weapons than this. ~~ ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ === message truncated === ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
i really didn't know if the us mile was the same or different from any other form of measurement, but i didn't want to make assumptions. that way everyone could see right away exactly what i was talking about. if true that's kinda funny that the inch is actually referenced off of the centimeter!! :) talk about going around in circles. sorry if this caused any undue confusion. erik --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there is such a thing as a U.S. mile. Back in the 1950's my high school teacher told us that the U.S. and Britain had agreed to compromise on the Canadian definition of the inch as *exactly* 2.540 centimetres. So as far as the mile goes we're all on the same page: 12 inches to the foot, 5280 feet to the mile, and the inches are the same. I imagine the writer was thinking of U.S. gallons and got confused. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Donald Allwright wrote: What exactly is a US mile??? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives
I have a 91 Acura Integra, 226k miles, original muffler and tailpipe. Replaced the catalytic converter 2 yrs ago. But then this is a Southern Cali car that I've owned since '94- it had about 45,000 when I got her - haven't had to deal with a lot of ice, sleet, snow and salt on the roads, that's for sure. Ramon --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a Nissan Sentyra 1987 with over 160,000K on it with the original muffler. Only part that went south was the locking flange at the manifold ($26.00). Luc - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives
miles. It's been a long time since I've had to buy one, though, and have had over 100,000 miles on each of my last several cars. Brian - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cost of biofuel
csc-propulsion wrote: Hi there, The cost of biofuel ( be it from coconut oil, palm oil, rapeseed, soybean, corn, sunflower, canola etc) including ethanol? Are there cost charts from various countries to peruse? At current oil price level can crop growers match with biofuel? Brazil went through that scenario with ethanol. Cheers, CS Chua This might be of interest -- US Ethanol Fuel Prices (Last 10 Years) http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/graphs/ethanol_10-year.html Historic Day at NYBOT as Exchange Launches First World Ethanol Contract Released on 5/7/04 http://www.nybot.com/releases/pressRelease.asp?releaseID=733 http://www.nybot.com/ethanol/index.html http://www.nybot.com/ CBOT to Develop Corn-Based Ethanol Futures Contract April 21, 2004 http://www.cbot.com/cbot/pub/cont_detail/0,3206,1036+18862,00.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen (was solar hydrogen)
Why do you not use ethanol instead or biodiesel if the truck is a diesel? Our primary interest is in converting wood waste into methanol. That involves generating H2 and CO, and being able to sweeten the mix in order to increase yield, hence our interest in ancillary ways to generate and use hydrogen. To see any sense in hydrogen, you must use the unbeatable female logic, because I like it. Us girly-men do tend to look at things from a non-linear perspective at times :-) We're coming at this from a different angle. Over the past two decades we've built an intentional research community that does all sorts of interesting things here on our 130 acre campus. We're not looking to sell energy in any form; we just don't want to have to buy energy in order to support the work we do. Our prime goal is the study and utilization of sustainable systems, and often the key to that lies in diversity. So while it's quite true that some energy utilization paths make more sense than others in a given application, it's also true that there's value in keeping your options open. We're not going to bet the farm on any one path, and we've found that most technological options have something to offer at some point in the cycle. Our land has a wealth of energy resources including solar, wind, and hydro in addition to our forest's annual production of biomass. From that the community wants heating, cooling, lights, transportation fuel, food, fiber and so on. There's no one technology that can cover that wide a range of interests and activities so we're usually tinkering with a range of options and seeing how they might mesh to better meet our needs. And yes, sometimes we mess with options for no better reason that it pleases us to do so :-) Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
YES!!! You said my favorite word in the World! TAX-FREE People here in the US need to take note! Jonathan Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:25 PM 10/11/04 -0400, you wrote: Did you consider how many kWh it would have taken for that 30 miles on hydrogen, then compared how many miles that amount of kWh would have taken you on a pure EV? More than 60 miles .. But a vehicle with a range of 60 miles is of less utility to me than one which can do 30 miles on home-produced, tax-free H2, and then make it home on commercial fuel. Note that when I say tax-free I'm thinking more about the taxes I have to pay on income (fed, state, unemp, socsec, etc.) than just road taxes. You're right that there are hidden costs in producing one's one fuel, but there are also a lot of hidden cost involved in working for a paycheck and then using net income to buy fuel. Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives
What exactly is a US mile??? 5 280 feet. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
Does anyone how this would effect hydrogen in Mr. Bush's FreedomCAR program? Steve Spence wrote: Hydrogen isn't, and won't be anything that will help us save our Earth. SNIP That's the whole point these folks are missing. It's not that it can't be done, it's that it shouldn't be done, since they are throwing away a majority of the energy they are producing, and renewables are typically much higher priced, so you want to be as stingy as possible. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] CO2 Rising, Scientists Bewildered
Climate fear as carbon levels soar Scientists bewildered by sharp rise of CO2 in atmosphere for second year running Paul Brown, environment correspondent Oct 11, 2004 The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1324379,00.html An unexplained and unprecedented rise in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere two years running has raised fears that the world may be on the brink of runaway global warming. Scientists are baffled why the quantity of the main greenhouse gas has leapt in a two-year period and are concerned that the Earth's natural systems are no longer able to absorb as much as in the past. The findings will be discussed tomorrow by the government's chief scientist, Dr David King, at the annual Greenpeace business lecture. Measurements of CO2 in the atmosphere have been continuous for almost 50 years at Mauna Loa Observatory, 12,000ft up a mountain in Hawaii, regarded as far enough away from any carbon dioxide source to be a reliable measuring point. In recent decades CO2 increased on average by 1.5 parts per million (ppm) a year because of the amount of oil, coal and gas burnt, but has now jumped to more than 2 ppm in 2002 and 2003. Above or below average rises in CO2 levels in the atmosphere have been explained in the past by natural events. When the Pacific warms up during El Nio - a disruptive weather pattern caused by weakening trade winds - the amount of carbon dioxide rises dramatically because warm oceans emit CO2 rather than absorb it. But scientists are puzzled because over the past two years, when the increases have been 2.08 ppm and 2.54 ppm respectively, there has been no El Nio. Charles Keeling, the man who began the observations in 1958 as a young climate scientist, is now 74 and still working in the field. He said yesterday: The rise in the annual rate to above two parts per million for two consecutive years is a real phenomenon. It is possible that this is merely a reflection of natural events like previous peaks in the rate, but it is also possible that it is the beginning of a natural process unprecedented in the record. Analysts stress that it is too early to draw any long-term conclusions. But the fear held by some scientists is that the greater than normal rises in C02 emissions mean that instead of decades to bring global warming under control we may have only a few years. At worst, the figures could be the first sign of the breakdown in the Earth's natural systems for absorbing the gas. That would herald the so-called runaway greenhouse effect, where the planet's soaring temperature becomes impossible to contain. As the icecaps melt, less sunlight is refected back into space from ice and snow, and bare rocks begin to absorb more heat. This is already happening. One of the predictions made by climate scientists in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is that as the Earth warms, the absorption of carbon dioxide by vegetation - known as carbon sink - is reduced. Dr Keeling said since there was no sign of a dramatic increase in the amount of fossil fuels being burnt in 2002 and 2003, the rise could be a weakening of the Earth's carbon sinks, associated with the world warming, as part of a climate change feedback mechanism. It is a cause for concern'.' Tom Burke, visiting professor at Imperial College London, and a former special adviser to the former Tory environment minister John Gummer, warned: We're watching the clock and the clock is beginning to tick faster, like it seems to before a bomb goes off. Peter Cox, head of the Carbon Cycle Group at the Met Office's Hadley Centre for Climate Change, said the increase in carbon dioxide was not uniform across the globe. Measurements of CO2 levels in Australia and at the south pole were slightly lower, he said, so it looked as though something unusual had occurred in the northern hemisphere. My guess is that there were extra forest fires in the northern hemisphere, and particularly a very hot summer in Europe, Dr Cox said. This led to a die-back in vegetation and an increase in release of carbon from the soil, rather than more growing plants taking carbon out of the atmosphere, which is usually the case in summer. Scientists have dubbed the two-year CO2 rise the Mauna Loa anomaly. Dr Cox said one of its most interesting aspects was that the CO2 rises did not take place in El Nio years. Previously the only figures that climbed higher than 2 ppm were El Nio years - 1973, 1988, 1994 and 1998. The heatwave of last year that is now believed to have claimed at least 30,000 lives across the world was so out of the ordinary that many scientists believe it could only have been caused by global warming. But Dr Cox, like other scientists, is concerned that too much might be read into two years' figures. Five or six years on the trot would be very difficult to explain, he said.
[Biofuel] US Biofuel Provisions
NCGA Applauds Congressional Passage of American Jobs Creation Act Source: National Corn Growers Association Oct 11, 2004 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041011/cgm035_1.html ST. LOUIS, Oct. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- The National Corn Growers Association (NCGA) hailed Senate passage today of the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004 conference report, which includes ethanol and biodiesel provisions. The bill passed the Senate by a 69 to 17 vote. The conference report passed through the House Oct. 7 by a 280 to 141 vote. Corn growers have a big win with the passage of this legislation and the energy tax incentives, but we are by no means finished, said NCGA President Leon Corzine. We must have a comprehensive energy bill that includes a renewable fuels standard. NCGA will continue to work hard to secure a comprehensive energy policy for our nation as quickly as possible. The Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit (VEETC) provision will extend to 2010 an existing tax incentive for using ethanol-blended gasoline, and redirect funds generated by an excise tax on ethanol to the highway trust fund. The small ethanol producer credit provision included in the bill will make farmer-owned cooperatives eligible for this tax credit, which will provide millions of dollars per year in tax relief to the farmer owners. The biodiesel provision will create a new tax credit of $1 per gallon for agri-biodiesel, and 50 cents per gallon for biodiesel (recycled oil). All of these important incentives will continue to grow the ethanol industry by attracting new investments in ethanol plant development, Corzine said. Increased ethanol production is good for our farmers and for our communities. We applaud both the House and Senate members for working so hard to pass such an important piece of legislation that will not only benefit rural America but the entire nation, he continued. This bill will help our farmer- cooperatives that produce ethanol to advance the already growing ethanol industry, promote more jobs for rural Americans and make our planet a little bit greener. The bill will now move to President Bush's desk, where he is expected to sign it. This legislation promotes business opportunities like the farmer-owned co-ops in addition to growing the job market for this nation. Ethanol production has more than doubled in the last four years -- it's a national success story for agriculture. I have no doubt President Bush will sign this bill. He understands the important role agriculture has to play in growing our country's energy future, Corzine said. The National Corn Growers Association mission is to create and increase opportunities for corn growers in a changing world and to enhance corn's profitability and usage. NCGA represent nearly 33,000 members, 26 affiliated state corn grower organizations and hundreds of thousands of growers who contribute to state checkoff programs. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100
Dear Luc, The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very much. I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!). Therefore, I have every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that you've had. What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th). I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank is slated for install over the next couple of weeks. In that the old fuel filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be advisable to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank with new fuel lines until the summer? Thanks everyone, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Campbell Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = Patrick Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home(VoIP): 201.345.4133 Mobile: 201.693.5950 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
Hey man If you can get it to work Then you will be Okay! I would not worry about Mr. Bush anyway! Jonathan MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone how this would effect hydrogen in Mr. Bush's FreedomCAR program? Steve Spence wrote: Hydrogen isn't, and won't be anything that will help us save our Earth. That's the whole point these folks are missing. It's not that it can't be done, it's that it shouldn't be done, since they are throwing away a majority of the energy they are producing, and renewables are typically much higher priced, so you want to be as stingy as possible. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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pump mounted on the side of the injection pump. If it is hesitating or bucking it is most likely originally caused by a bad fuel filter there are two of them the prefilter before the fuel pump and the primary fuel filter after the pump going back down to the injection pump inlet. Once opened the air in the system can become very difficult to remove sometimes requiring the lines to the injectors to be opened in order to bleed. this process can take up to 15 minutes. You can also check for blockages in the fuel lines simply with compressed air but factory mercedes hoses like the rest of the car is amazingly over engineered and are very apparently biodiesel resistent. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] joey runny on bd and svo
will be fine. If you notice any hesitation using the svo switch to the bd until you can change the filter. but be wary of the svo in your tank if its virgin ok if recycled heat it until its temperature will break 212 and it stops boiling i go to 320 and cool the oil to 150 then filter through a large gas filter. The gas filters are expensive but you can backflush them to extend there lives. Always run your motor cold on the bd not the svo to prevent coking. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] A POTENTIAL ENHANCER FOR BIOFUELS........KD420COMBUSTION IMPROVER
Doug, thanks for your supportive comment. GCMS analysis reveals that this is 99.9% clean hydrocarbon with no acids, alkalis, or heavy metals. It is not combustible on its own and cardboard wetted with it will extingish flames so it is most unlikely to be a mixture of diesel and biofuel, as was previously suggested, but I have not found time to answer. I was advised by the now deceased UK Technical Dirctor that it is mineral oil with some confidential ingredients. HOWEVER, your comments on the latter stages of combustion are apparently 'spot on' re this technology. We are told that one of the ways it 'works' is by firstly breaking down long chain molecules to aid more comlete combustion, that this is the way it deals with both LFO HFO sludge,and accumulations of varnishes and gums. Here, in Portsmouth, we have demonstrated that it does indeed breakdown and absorb such products in 5 LFO boiler fuel tanks, immediately stopping fuel related stoppages and breakdowns. One of the tanks was actualy emptied for inspection and found to be amazingly clean. The technology also carries these products ( sludge etc) thro' the filters, cleaning the filters as it does so, thus demonstrating that clumped, sticky material has indeed been broken down. The smaller chain hydrocarbon claim is also demonstrated by the independent results from DERA, now QINETIQ, which identified many more hydrocarbon species in the exhaust of treated petrol, than it did in untreated petrol. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 October 2004 20:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] A POTENTIAL ENHANCER FOR BIOFUELSKD420COMBUSTION IMPROVER There used to be (maybe still is) a company in fort Erie, Ontario which sold a fuel additive based on an organic iron compound (related to formic acid I believe) which claimed similar gains for diesels and was also said to be useful with gasoline engines. I think it was supposed to have a catalytic effect. Now, given that the later stages of diesel combustion are involved with the chemical breakdown of the fuel, it's reasonable to me that enhancing and speeding this process could result in cumbustion occuring sooner after top dead centre, a greater effective expamnsion ratio and greater thermal efficiency. If the gasification occurred sooner, in an earlier parrt of the mixing of the fuel with air, I can see smoother combustion. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Johnston, Don wrote: I am an Environmental Health Officer and not a Specialised Combustion Engineer, or similar, which I suspect many contributors to the biofuels list are. So I have if you like, a fairly 'naive' attitude to testing treatments, additives and devices,I do it out of a genuine interest to find solutions, or partial interim solutions. Thanks to biofuels list help I am in process of discounting magnetic gadgets. I have previously discounted other additives. I am faced with mostly 'operational tests', but nonetheless I am very happy with my own results and those of other partners. The first car I tried this in was an Austin Rover Montego Countryman 2.0L Perkins dieselwith 2 years fuel consumption history. Performance improved by approx 8% ,and top speed on the same stretch of downhill tarmac increased from 106mph tp 116mph. The immediate visual impact on its exhaust emissions was nothing short of dramatic.( see also AMS results). Now it is quite clear from my contributions that I have no experience of biofuels, and very little knowledge of them, and it was very exciting to join the biofuels list to improve my knowledge. What was more exciting was to realise that you guys not only know mucho about biofuels but you all seem confirmed environmentalists and committed to helping achieve sustainability...So, with this in mind, I had previously been told by the UK Technical Director for KD420 technology ( who unfortunately died a few weeks ago) that it could achieve improved combustion with a range of fuels. Well, as some of you report on quality of biofuels, and certainly on how to improve/reduce energy input into process against energy output, and on your fuels financial viability I thought you might be interested in a technology which 'might' improve your fuel and its financial viability. So I asked the manufacturer if it would 'work' with biofuels and circulated his response that it should along with his info' pack re this technology. In the 8 years that I have known the manufacturer and
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Erik, thanks. My impression is also that diesels do not have the same problems that petrol has. Maybe they are now making exhausts better that they used to only 10 years ago. This is a possibility since the introduction of catalysts for petrol in the UK. Nonetheless, my reaction to the mileages you state is that they are tremendous distances on unperforated original exhausts. I try top keep up to date on this by asking annual road worthiness test (MOT) mechanics their experience..which seems to be similar to mine. I'll ask more people here. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Erik Lane Sent: 11 October 2004 23:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Thanks for views. I wonder if US exhausts last longer than UK counterparts. What fuel was it using? If bio maybe we are seeing amother benefit of bio? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Legal Eagle Sent: 11 October 2004 23:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives I had a Nissan Sentyra 1987 with over 160,000K on it with the original muffler. Only part that went south was the locking flange at the manifold ($26.00). Luc - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY what the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results. I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no snow quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word** Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter it takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under the impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing but clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue. Luc - Original Message - From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Dear Luc, The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very much. I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!). Therefore, I have every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that you've had. What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th). I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank is slated for install over the next couple of weeks. In that the old fuel filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be advisable to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank with new fuel lines until the summer? Thanks everyone, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Campbell Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
I too checked conversion tables and found it was not listed, so presumed the same. In any case it still seems that US exhausts last much longer than ULK counterparts. Now, just to confuse, what's a Irish mile? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 October 2004 00:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives I don't think there is such a thing as a U.S. mile. Back in the 1950's my high school teacher told us that the U.S. and Britain had agreed to compromise on the Canadian definition of the inch as *exactly* 2.540 centimetres. So as far as the mile goes we're all on the same page: 12 inches to the foot, 5280 feet to the mile, and the inches are the same. I imagine the writer was thinking of U.S. gallons and got confused. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Donald Allwright wrote: What exactly is a US mile??? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
other country once the US's cowardly veto is taken out of the picture. How brave to stand in the way of sanctions against a nation that slaughters children as terrorists. What a proud legacy, but the bad guys hate them because of their freedoms, cheech, they just don't get it. The willingly blind supporting the psychotic and all is not well. Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Israel also has ignored many more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel. Ken --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several Palestinians The United States will reportedly sell Israel nearly 5000 smart bombs in one of the largest weapons deals between the allies in years. The deal could face political controversy since Israel has used such bombs against the Palestinians. In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne bomb meant for a senior Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15 civilians in an attack in the Gaza Strip. The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in a Pentagon report made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli daily Haaretz said on Tuesday. Funding for the sale will come from US military aid to Israel. The bombs include airborne versions, guidance units, training bombs and detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing Israeli satellite used by the military. As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500 one-tonne bunker-buster bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls, 2500 regular one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500 quarter-tonne bombs, the daily said. Bunker bombs Known by the military designations GBU-27 or GBU-28, bunker busters are guided by lasers or satellites and can penetrate up to 10 metres of earth and concrete. Israel may already have some of the bombs for its F-15 fighter jets, the paper reported. As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15, I would assume them to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on satellite-guided bombs, would boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say. Israel very likely manufactures its own bunker busters, but they are not as robust as the 2000lb ( 910kg ) BLUs, Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, said. He said the bombs proved effective in the 1991 Gulf war and the more recent US-led invasion of Iraq . The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington .Israel 's Defence Ministry also declined to comment. The Pentagon wants the deal to maintain Israel's military advantages and ensure US strategic and tactical interests, Haaretz said. Bombs for neighbours? Haaretz said Israel sought to obtain the US-made, one-tonne bunker-buster bombs for a possible future strike against Iran or Syria . A senior Israeli security source confirmed the Haaretz story saying: ... bunker busters could serve Israel against Iran , or possibly Syria . Our response to any invasive measure will be massive, Massoud Jazairi, spokesman for Iran 's Revolutionary Guard, said in Tehran . Iran , which does not recognise Israel 's right to exist, says its nuclear programme has only peaceful purposes to meet its growing energy needs. An Iranian Defence Ministry spokesman said the disclosure of a US-Israeli deal could be psychological warfare to test us ... This relationship has a long history. The United States has given Israel more advanced weapons than this. ~~ ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Brian, thanks for that. Were they petrol or diesel? Are you on biofuel? And where are you? UK or US, or elsewhere? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Sent: 12 October 2004 01:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives Years ago, it seemed that I always had to replace an exhaust at about 40,000 miles. It's been a long time since I've had to buy one, though, and have had over 100,000 miles on each of my last several cars. Brian - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
the BD would eventually kick in anyway, IMHO. It is just one of those events that has to be dealth with. Not unexpected, as the info on JtF has clearly pointed out. It is actually a good thing, 'cause you know that the engine is getting rid of all that accumulated residue from all that not-so-good dino fuel. The pumps, lines and injectors are getting a good cleansing, which should go a long way toward prolonging their life, again IMHO. My case may be unique in that normally you should simply just have a filter change or two to be concerned with, although my car, bought from a fellow that had it doing Taxi work for two years (blasphemy!), did not receive the attention that it should have and now I am dealing with that. It may or may not have anything to do with the fuel lines, as one poster put it, it may be air trapped in the injectors, although I am changing the fuel lines anyway, and also gioving the tank a good flush. That way at least I will have the satisfaction of knowing that that has been eliminated as a potential problem factor, and the elimination of factors is something I have been into since starting on BD production, not being any sort of expert at much of anything, so getting rid of variables is essential :) Luc - Original Message - From: Patrick Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = Patrick Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home(VoIP): 201.345.4133 Mobile: 201.693.5950 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel
RE: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion....Carbon Forcing or solar activity
Have you read 'The Manic Sun- Weather Theories Confounded' by Nigel calder, who concludes that our weather is at the mercy of exploding stars in the milky way combined with solar activity. Following my IT instruction on the biofuel list I will cut and paste a resume GLOBAL WARMING CARBON FORCING OR SOLAR ACTIVITY ??! See The Manic Sun - Weather Theories Confounded By Nigel Calder 1997, Pilkington Press, ISBN 1 899044 1 1 6 The Author: Made reputation by spotting scientific revolutions as they occur. Responsible for TV programmes: - Violent Universe, Restless Earth, The Life Game, etc etc. Has tracked the debate between Solar or Greenhouse warming for more than 20 years. A reputable independent reporter of science. The author cautions: - Critics beware, your reactions may provide material for a later edition... This book records the scientific study of global warming and the developing understanding of the mechanisms which affect it. It particularly follows the development of the Greenhouse theory or Carbon Forcing and views this in relation to the study of solar impact on global weather. The mechanisms by which varying solar electro-magnetic activities affects global weather was discovered by 3 Danish scientists, Knud Lassen, Eigil Friis-Christensen and Henrik Svensmark using: - 1. Their own work on the Earth's magnetic field and solar activity. 2. Data from other research scientists on cosmic rays, solar studies, temperature and weather records, magnetic fields, the mechanisms of cloud formation, el nino and volcanic effects and much newer data available from solar and earth observing satellites. They found that: - 1. The Earth is washed by a magnetic shield and solar wind from the sun, which vary in intensity with the suns own electromagnetic flares and sunspot activity The stronger the activity on and in the sun, the stronger the solar wind and magnetic shield. 2. The Earth is constantly bombarded by cosmic rays from the Milky Way. 3. The effect of cosmic rays is to charge atmospheric particles with the result that clouds form more easily. 4. Cosmic rays are drawn to the Earth's poles by the Earth's magnetic field. They are therefore concentrated in middle to pole latitudes and assist the formation of more clouds in middle latitudes. 5. Clouds actually cool the Earth by preventing the sun's heat from reaching it. 6. But, the effect of both the solar wind and solar magnetic shield is to turn away from the Earth the bombardment of cosmic rays - thus less cloud formation and greater solar heat impinges on Earth, thus warming it. Using cosmic ray data (radio beryllium deposits in Greenland ice cores) from 1885 and comparing them with IPCC temperature data they can demonstrate that the global land temperature simply follows (to within 0.2oc) the intensity of cosmic rays. Variations are explained by prolonged el nino effects and volcanic eruptions. In addition, the empirical indicator of solar vigour, the length of the solar cycle, matches climate change back to 1500, i.e. before the industrial revolution and our use of fossil fuels leading to the carbon forcing theory. The author criticises the IPCC super computers for not taking enough regard of: 1. Solar and cosmic ray activity 2. Cloud thickness and its cooling effect 3. The effects of mid ocean cloud formation of which little was known until reasonably recently (satellite pictures and surface studies) Bert Bolin, Swedish deputy for the IPCC, firstly discredited the Danish Scientists work and is quoted in information as saying I find the move from this pair scientifically extremely nave and irresponsible. But a few weeks later, after reading the Svensmark and Friis-Christensen pre-print, he is quoted in the Swedish magazine Ny Teknik as saying..it is pleasing to see such a sane and sincere scientific investigation. It differs quite a lot from other questionings of the greenhouse effect. Naturally, I was surprised by the big changes they report in the clouds I can't see that their findings are given a satisfactory explanation. They do not conclude anything about the effects of human activity. But there is no doubt that this is serious science. Despite virtually disproving the carbon forcing theory the book does caution that it is wise to continue with more efficient energy use and renewable sources for reasons of protecting limited resources and tackling acid rain, pollution and air quality issues. The Danish scientists' work was published on 18 July 1996 but media attention focused on the Boeing 747, which crashed into the sea off Long Island. So, unless these theories can be contradicted, it seems that global weather is at the mercy of our sun's magnetic activity and exploding stars in the Milky Way - the source of cosmic rays. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Thanks Ramon. British wet and cold weather must be considered as a factor, as must road salt. The % of hot/cold running should also be considered. Many car users in this country may use their car for frequent short journeys of say 5miles or less with the rresult that some cars may seldom be driven, or attain 'mileage' whilst at designed operating temperature. Avrage annual miles in the UK is approx 10,000 . What is avge inthe USA? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ramon Mendoza Sent: 12 October 2004 01:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives I have a 91 Acura Integra, 226k miles, original muffler and tailpipe. Replaced the catalytic converter 2 yrs ago. But then this is a Southern Cali car that I've owned since '94- it had about 45,000 when I got her - haven't had to deal with a lot of ice, sleet, snow and salt on the roads, that's for sure. Ramon --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a Nissan Sentyra 1987 with over 160,000K on it with the original muffler. Only part that went south was the locking flange at the manifold ($26.00). Luc - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
air in the injectors. Why? Prior to leaving for holidays, with B100 in thetank, I had the valves adjusted,all filters changed and other peripherals done by the MB mechanics at a VERY reputable dealer and they included on the work order that the lines had been successfully bled. I then left for holidays with a full tank of B100 and when that wa down to 1/4 tank or a bit less I fueled at the dino pump and then spent two weeks running around on that and then for the trip back I topped off on dino and when the tank was at a bit less than 1/4 again I put in the 44 liters I had brought along of B100 (which the engines loved and smoothed out immediately) and this was all on the band new filters installed by the Mercedes people. I continued running on those filters until this week, about a month's worth, and then the problem started, so I figured it was the filter being clogged by the residuals that the BD had removed, so I did a filter change myself. It was fine for about 150Km or so and then the problem came back.NOT a filter problem. By default, it is the lines and/or the tank having loosed it's dino deposits and that has clogged the system. Ergo, should anyone want to run B100 in an older car/truck it might be a good idea to do the line/tank fluch thing BEFORE, avoiding the PITA (PainInTheAnatomy) that I am going through. A wise man learns from his mistakes, a wiser man yet learns from the mistakes of others :) Stay tuned for more on this developing saga. Luc - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Following another post (no subject) it could be that I have this all wrong and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY what the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results. I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no snow quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word** Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter it takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under the impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing but clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue. Luc - Original Message - From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Dear Luc, The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very much. I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!). Therefore, I have every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that you've had. What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th). I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank is slated for install over the next couple of weeks. In that the old fuel filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be advisable to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank with new fuel lines until the summer? Thanks everyone, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Campbell Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Don, I'm in the Midwest of the US. I'm currently driving my first diesel, an 03 Beetle TDI which currently has about 65,000 miles. I typically buy B2, which is the only blend available locally at this point. I am currently in central Indiana, with a move to northern CA planned around the first of the year. My prior car was a gas 2000 Beetle, which I gave to my son at 95,000 and still has its original exhaust at about 110,000. Prior to that were two Volvos, a '94 940 and '95 850, both of which went over 100,000 with the original exhaust. My perception is that the manufacturers are using better materials now that they were when I first started driving. I don't know how many days I spent in muffler shops in my youth, but I haven't seen the inside of one for quite a while at this point. Brian Brian, thanks for that. Were they petrol or diesel? Are you on biofuel? And where are you? UK or US, or elsewhere? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Sent: 12 October 2004 01:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives Years ago, it seemed that I always had to replace an exhaust at about 40,000 miles. It's been a long time since I've had to buy one, though, and have had over 100,000 miles on each of my last several cars. Brian - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
exhaust and brake pads. Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:16 PM 10/11/2004, you wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, and I think it is a statement of how clean exhaust emissions are from the fuel you use. My understanding is that exhausts not so much rust from the outside in, but rot from the inside out due to the presence of acidic combustion products from fossil fuels...these acidic products, I'm told, are reduced by this technology. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Convert Anything
This is a link that someone posted to the old list at Yahoo some time ago. It is an .exe freeware program that is a very handy converter from/to metric/US/Imperial measurements and weights. It installs in seconds to whatever folder to direct it to. http://joshmadison.com/software/convert/default.asp Luc PS: I ran a Norton anti-virus check on it and it turned up clean ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives
If you give me a bit, I think I can find that out. My wife works in insurance, and that is something they would have on file. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 04:58 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives Thanks Ramon. British wet and cold weather must be considered as a factor, as must road salt. The % of hot/cold running should also be considered. Many car users in this country may use their car for frequent short journeys of say 5miles or less with the rresult that some cars may seldom be driven, or attain 'mileage' whilst at designed operating temperature. Avrage annual miles in the UK is approx 10,000 . What is avge inthe USA? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS..........rules for biofuels list
On 8/oct/04 Greg H wrote to me (Still haven't read the list rules have you.) I now reply. I have now found time to re-read more carefully the 3 pages of rules/ useful guidance. makes much more sense second time around. I also read the guidance on 'on top' responses, and Netiquette. I did not make time to read the book by Virginia Shea. Having read these rules I can see that I have proceeded incorrectly, and without proper etiquette. Let's see if I now properly understand where all the places that I have gone wrong. Perhaps you may find time to check this Greg and help me refine my etiquette, contribution, and proper use of the group. This 'confession' may also serve as helpful direction to aspiring new members. 1. Firstly, I should have taken the advice to observe the group's chat and manners, and researched archived info' before 'blundering in'. 2. I also should have re-read rules, BEFORE contributing. 3. I probably have upset etiquette by adding to the subject line, as I've done above, as this might interefere with the 'thread', and searching archives. Can Greg ,or other, please comment on this. Should I start a new subject or 'thread', rather than confuse existing subjects? 4. I should have researched parts of my chosen subjects much more thoroughly. 5. I sometimes use colloquial English, and abbreviations, and should use my 'best English'. 6. I have already had my wrist slapped ( colloquial English again- but expressive meaning clear?) for ' Adverising Of Goods Or Services'. I accept in relation to ' proportional to member's contribution' as I was clearly a new boy on the block, BUT I strongly refute 'Adverising' as I have no financial gain. It is a technology that I am totally committed to environmentally. But nonetheless, I accept the 'spirit' of how it was brought to my attention, and 'proportional to contribution'. 7. Wrist slapping continued for 'calling for an offlist response'. I am 'guilty, guilty,guilty!'.Apologies, I now understand the rule and will not do so again. This the first ever discussion list I have joined. I have poor IT skills which does not help joining a group like this, but the group has helped me. I find the level of debate and knowledge superlative for a fuels/sustainability group and it is of great interest to me. I apologise if I have offended Greg or others by my etiquette, or lack of it. Perhaps Greg, or others, may want to comment on whether they think I have now read and understood the rules sufficiently to continue,or I am still missing major issues, and to suggest helpful comment re point 3 above, re Subject Heading, and 'thread of discussion'. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johnston, Don Sent: 11 October 2004 19:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS Greg, I confess. I must find time to read the rules. I chose to answer correspondence first. Its 7:00pm, I have 147 unread messages, and I guess my employer might well suggest that I should even be on this list. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: 08 October 2004 17:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS Still hSaven't read the list rules have you. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 09:18 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS Right on! Greg. You did not make me LOL. Wait til you read my next one. I wonder if you will get involved? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use,
Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives
I drive 50 miles to work each way. We are 15 miles from the nearest grocery store/shopping center, 5 miles from the nearest gas station. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:58 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives Thanks Ramon. British wet and cold weather must be considered as a factor, as must road salt. The % of hot/cold running should also be considered. Many car users in this country may use their car for frequent short journeys of say 5miles or less with the rresult that some cars may seldom be driven, or attain 'mileage' whilst at designed operating temperature. Avrage annual miles in the UK is approx 10,000 . What is avge inthe USA? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ramon Mendoza Sent: 12 October 2004 01:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives I have a 91 Acura Integra, 226k miles, original muffler and tailpipe. Replaced the catalytic converter 2 yrs ago. But then this is a Southern Cali car that I've owned since '94- it had about 45,000 when I got her - haven't had to deal with a lot of ice, sleet, snow and salt on the roads, that's for sure. Ramon --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a Nissan Sentyra 1987 with over 160,000K on it with the original muffler. Only part that went south was the locking flange at the manifold ($26.00). Luc - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Irish Mile = 2048 meters. mile (mi) a traditional unit of distance. The word comes from the Latin word for 1000, mille, because originally a mile was the distance a Roman legion could march in 1000 paces (or 2000 steps, a pace being the distance between successive falls of the same foot). There is some uncertainty about the length of the Roman mile. Based on the Roman foot of 29.6 centimeters and assuming a standard pace of 5 Roman feet, the Roman mile would have been 1480 meters (4856 feet); however, the measured distance between surviving milestones of Roman roads is often closer to 1520 meters or 5000 feet. In any case, miles of similar lengths were used throughout Western Europe. In medieval Britain, several mile units were used, including a mile of 5000 feet (1524 meters), the modern mile defined as 8 furlongs (1609 meters), and a longer mile similar to the French mille (1949 meters), plus the Scottish mile (1814 meters) and the Irish mile (2048 meters). In 1592 the British Parliament settled the question by defining the statute mile to be 8 furlongs, 80 chains, 320 rods, 1760 yards or 5280 feet. The statute mile is exactly 1609.344 meters. In athletics, races of 1500 or 1600 meters are often called metric miles. http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61126.html Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:29 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives I too checked conversion tables and found it was not listed, so presumed the same. In any case it still seems that US exhausts last much longer than ULK counterparts. Now, just to confuse, what's a Irish mile? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 October 2004 00:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives I don't think there is such a thing as a U.S. mile. Back in the 1950's my high school teacher told us that the U.S. and Britain had agreed to compromise on the Canadian definition of the inch as *exactly* 2.540 centimetres. So as far as the mile goes we're all on the same page: 12 inches to the foot, 5280 feet to the mile, and the inches are the same. I imagine the writer was thinking of U.S. gallons and got confused. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Donald Allwright wrote: What exactly is a US mile??? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Following another post (no subject) it could be that I have this all wrong and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY what the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results. I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no snow quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word** Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter it takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under the impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing but clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue. Luc - Original Message - From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Dear Luc, The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very much. I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!). Therefore, I have every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that you've had. What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th). I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank is slated for install over the next couple of weeks. In that the old fuel filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be advisable to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank with new fuel lines until the summer? Thanks everyone, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Campbell Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Brian. many thanks for this. I think maybe that you're right. I also remember repairing exhausts frequently as a youth and much younger man. What is particularly interesting is that with beetles and volvo's you are talking about european cars. Are they imports or manufactured there under licence? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 October 2004 12:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives Don, I'm in the Midwest of the US. I'm currently driving my first diesel, an 03 Beetle TDI which currently has about 65,000 miles. I typically buy B2, which is the only blend available locally at this point. I am currently in central Indiana, with a move to northern CA planned around the first of the year. My prior car was a gas 2000 Beetle, which I gave to my son at 95,000 and still has its original exhaust at about 110,000. Prior to that were two Volvos, a '94 940 and '95 850, both of which went over 100,000 with the original exhaust. My perception is that the manufacturers are using better materials now that they were when I first started driving. I don't know how many days I spent in muffler shops in my youth, but I haven't seen the inside of one for quite a while at this point. Brian Brian, thanks for that. Were they petrol or diesel? Are you on biofuel? And where are you? UK or US, or elsewhere? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Sent: 12 October 2004 01:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives Years ago, it seemed that I always had to replace an exhaust at about 40,000 miles. It's been a long time since I've had to buy one, though, and have had over 100,000 miles on each of my last several cars. Brian - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen
Government Hydrogen programs are designed to keep oil companies happy, since that is the source of all commercial hydrogen. Anything can look economical if enough tax subsidies are thrown at it. Business as usual. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Solar Hydrogen Hey man If you can get it to work Then you will be Okay! I would not worry about Mr. Bush anyway! Jonathan MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone how this would effect hydrogen in Mr. Bush's FreedomCAR program? Steve Spence wrote: Hydrogen isn't, and won't be anything that will help us save our Earth. That's the whole point these folks are missing. It's not that it can't be done, it's that it shouldn't be done, since they are throwing away a majority of the energy they are producing, and renewables are typically much higher priced, so you want to be as stingy as possible. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay in fuel taxes in your lifetime. EV's, Biodiesel, ethanol, and bio-methane are much more practical, and also tax free. You won't be able to make hydrogen at home, and use it in your car, without a monumental upfront system cost. Much more than you would pay for a VW Diesel, and a lifetime's supply of biodiesel to run it. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dunlap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen YES!!! You said my favorite word in the World! TAX-FREE People here in the US need to take note! Jonathan Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:25 PM 10/11/04 -0400, you wrote: Did you consider how many kWh it would have taken for that 30 miles on hydrogen, then compared how many miles that amount of kWh would have taken you on a pure EV? More than 60 miles .. But a vehicle with a range of 60 miles is of less utility to me than one which can do 30 miles on home-produced, tax-free H2, and then make it home on commercial fuel. Note that when I say tax-free I'm thinking more about the taxes I have to pay on income (fed, state, unemp, socsec, etc.) than just road taxes. You're right that there are hidden costs in producing one's one fuel, but there are also a lot of hidden cost involved in working for a paycheck and then using net income to buy fuel. Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel
If the UN makes a resolution that is not in the best interests of a particular country, then ignoring it seems like a very good idea, IF you have the muscle to repel boarders . The UN made resolutions that clearly were not in Iraq's best interest, but they failed to repel boarders. What is in the best interest of one country, very often is not in the best interest of others. Depends on your POV, and your appetite. One hopes that a country thinks of others as well as themselves. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Israel also has ignored many more UN resolutions than Iraq ever did. This is true despite the fact that the US usually vetos most resolutions concerning Israel. Ken --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isreal is the ONLY country in the middle east that DOES possess WMD's, nuclear as well as chem weapons of mass destruction. They have reperetedly refused the UN inspection passage and thier Dimona nuke plank is leaking like a sieve. Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded and their infrastucture destroyed, their children slaughtered, air anw water polulted with depleted uranium with a shelf life of BILLIONS of yearsw for a lot less than what Israel has and is doing, but good thing Congress keeps taking money from AIPAC, the center of the new spy scandal, to ensure that the US continues to veto any action that might paint Israel is it's true light. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] US to sell 5000 smart bombs to Israel Source: Al Jazeera http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8C117F99-C20E-4738-A15B- 0BF683A1B21B.htm US to sell Israel 5000 smart bombs Israel has used US-made bombs to kill several Palestinians The United States will reportedly sell Israel nearly 5000 smart bombs in one of the largest weapons deals between the allies in years. The deal could face political controversy since Israel has used such bombs against the Palestinians. In one such instance in July 2002, a one-tonne bomb meant for a senior Palestinian resistance fighter also killed 15 civilians in an attack in the Gaza Strip. The deal is worth $319 million and was revealed in a Pentagon report made to the US Congress a few weeks ago, Israeli daily Haaretz said on Tuesday. Funding for the sale will come from US military aid to Israel. The bombs include airborne versions, guidance units, training bombs and detonators. These bombs are guided by an existing Israeli satellite used by the military. As part of the deal, Israel will receive 500 one-tonne bunker-buster bombs that can destroy 2m-thick concrete walls, 2500 regular one-tonne bombs, 1000 half-tonne bombs and 500 quarter-tonne bombs, the daily said. Bunker bombs Known by the military designations GBU-27 or GBU-28, bunker busters are guided by lasers or satellites and can penetrate up to 10 metres of earth and concrete. Israel may already have some of the bombs for its F-15 fighter jets, the paper reported. As they are part of the weapon set for the F-15, I would assume them to be in place, said Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons. Acquiring BLU-109s, which are mounted on satellite-guided bombs, would boost Israel 's capabilities, foreign experts say. Israel very likely manufactures its own bunker busters, but they are not as robust as the 2000lb ( 910kg ) BLUs, Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, said. He said the bombs proved effective in the 1991 Gulf war and the more recent US-led invasion of Iraq . The US embassy in Israel had no comment, referring queries to Washington .Israel 's Defence Ministry also declined to comment. The Pentagon wants the deal to maintain Israel's military advantages and ensure US strategic and tactical interests, Haaretz said. Bombs for neighbours? Haaretz said Israel sought to obtain the US-made, one-tonne bunker-buster bombs for a possible future strike against Iran or Syria . A senior Israeli security source confirmed the Haaretz story saying: ... bunker busters could serve Israel against Iran , or possibly Syria . Our response to any invasive measure will be massive, Massoud Jazairi, spokesman for Iran 's Revolutionary Guard, said in Tehran . Iran , which does not recognise Israel 's right to exist, says its nuclear
Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Hi, Do not forget nautical mile :D this is defined as a one minute of the arc of earth meridian and (according to my conversion tool) is equal to 1852 meters accoording to my own calculations, it should be a: 4000m(earth circumference) / 360 (degrees in the circle) / 60 (minutes in a degree) = 1851.(851)m. pretty close to what the tool says Steve Spence wrote: Irish Mile = 2048 meters. mile (mi) a traditional unit of distance. The word comes from the Latin word for 1000, mille, because originally a mile was the distance a Roman legion could march in 1000 paces (or 2000 steps, a pace being the distance between successive falls of the same foot). There is some uncertainty about the length of the Roman mile. Based on the Roman foot of 29.6 centimeters and assuming a standard pace of 5 Roman feet, the Roman mile would have been 1480 meters (4856 feet); however, the measured distance between surviving milestones of Roman roads is often closer to 1520 meters or 5000 feet. In any case, miles of similar lengths were used throughout Western Europe. In medieval Britain, several mile units were used, including a mile of 5000 feet (1524 meters), the modern mile defined as 8 furlongs (1609 meters), and a longer mile similar to the French mille (1949 meters), plus the Scottish mile (1814 meters) and the Irish mile (2048 meters). In 1592 the British Parliament settled the question by defining the statute mile to be 8 furlongs, 80 chains, 320 rods, 1760 yards or 5280 feet. The statute mile is exactly 1609.344 meters. In athletics, races of 1500 or 1600 meters are often called metric miles. http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61126.html -- Tomas Juknevicius ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Kim,it certainly seems very unusual to me.Also the brake pads. This obviously depends on where you are driving. I am in southern UK where people are very crammed together, the weather is often wet, and the roads are gritted and salted in winter. Where are you? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kim Garth Travis Sent: 12 October 2004 14:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives Is it that unusual? My '92 honda has over 140,000 with the original exhaust and brake pads. Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:16 PM 10/11/2004, you wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, and I think it is a statement of how clean exhaust emissions are from the fuel you use. My understanding is that exhausts not so much rust from the outside in, but rot from the inside out due to the presence of acidic combustion products from fossil fuels...these acidic products, I'm told, are reduced by this technology. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could not get through ( or very little of it )? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] My favorite dictionary of units of measurement was fuel additives
Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Irish Mile = 2048 meters. mile (mi) a traditional unit of distance. The word comes from the Latin word for 1000, mille, because originally a mile was the distance a Roman legion could march in 1000 paces (or 2000 steps, a pace being the distance between successive falls of the same foot). There is some uncertainty about the length of the Roman mile. Based on the Roman foot of 29.6 centimeters and assuming a standard pace of 5 Roman feet, the Roman mile would have been 1480 meters (4856 feet); however, the measured distance between surviving milestones of Roman roads is often closer to 1520 meters or 5000 feet. In any case, miles of similar lengths were used throughout Western Europe. In medieval Britain, several mile units were used, including a mile of 5000 feet (1524 meters), the modern mile defined as 8 furlongs (1609 meters), and a longer mile similar to the French mille (1949 meters), plus the Scottish mile (1814 meters) and the Irish mile (2048 meters). In 1592 the British Parliament settled the question by defining the statute mile to be 8 furlongs, 80 chains, 320 rods, 1760 yards or 5280 feet. The statute mile is exactly 1609.344 meters. In athletics, races of 1500 or 1600 meters are often called metric miles. http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61126.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
them and I explained what is what and what I wanted, so now they are having a technician (German for mechanic, ha!) look into it. I am not very mechanically inclined so I pay as I go, although as things progress I am slowly coming around to the small stuff and hopefully will acquire a bit more savy and abilities the more I listen to you guys :) Only the stubborn and overly proud can't learn from others. Hopefully I shall be neither. Luc - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Following another post (no subject) it could be that I have this all wrong and that there is air trapped inside the injectors somewhere, although I don't think so as I bled out the system with brand new filters, so, by default, the problem is at the tank end (maybe?). I shall soon see as I am having a Mercedes mechanic give it the twice over to determine EXACTLY what the boo boo is, and I shall be posting the results. I share you latitude thing (not quite as north as Edmonton)although no snow quite yet we did hit the freezing mark a couple of times so far and it is all down hill from here. **snow is a four letter word** Anyway, stay tuned. As far as the changing os the filters goes, the information on JtF states that after a couple of tank fulls of B100 to expect to have to change them, and that would be about right for me as I have run several tank fulls. although having a can type secondary filter it takes longer to fill up than the straight in-line type, so I was under the impression that that was the problem so I changed the secondary as the primary did not seem clogged (I put air to it in reverse and got nothing but clean fuel). However, I still want to change the lines and flush the tank out regardless, as I am sure nothing like this has ever been done in the Benz's 21 years of life, so a good enema is overdue. Luc - Original Message - From: Joey Hundert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Dear Luc, The posting of your experience is invaluable to me, thank you very much. I'm the proud new owner of a 1984 Merc 300D (5cyl turbo), and she's got about 200,000 miles on her (motor rebuilt 20,000 ago!). Therefore, I have every reason to believe that I'll have the exact same experience that you've had. What's more, the logistics are even scarier due to my latitude (Edmonton, Alberta, where we saw snow on September 7th). I have plans to run her on both B100 and SVO, therefore, my second tank is slated for install over the next couple of weeks. In that the old fuel filters and lines present such a potential crap chute, would it be advisable to run all veggie fuels (B100 or SVO) through the second, heated tank with new fuel lines until the summer? Thanks everyone, Joey Hundert Edmonton, AB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Patrick Campbell Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Would going to B100 slowly help to avoid this problem? I.e. first running B5, then B10, then B25, etc.? I am granted a good tax deduction here in AZ if I run B70 however I need to do an emissions test and that has to be done before registration so my time is limited. I can't afford to screw up my vehicle by going straight to B70 and having it clog up my fuel lines(160K miles on the clock here) and leaving my stranded on my way to work. --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car
[Biofuel] Favorite dictionary try again ufda
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/index.html This site is constantly updated as well. I like it. Kirk - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion....Carbon Forcing or solar activity
I think meteoric activity is in there as well sice it is the doping of the photosphere that makes a difference. Plasmas emit photons roughly proportional to the square of the number of electrons of the atom making up the plasma. Iron has 55 so it has much more emission than hydrogen with 1. So you see a little iron goes a long way in modifying solar emission. Kirk Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you read 'The Manic Sun- Weather Theories Confounded' by Nigel calder, who concludes that our weather is at the mercy of exploding stars in the milky way combined with solar activity. Following my IT instruction on the biofuel list I will cut and paste a resume GLOBAL WARMING CARBON FORCING OR SOLAR ACTIVITY ??! See The Manic Sun - Weather Theories Confounded By Nigel Calder 1997, Pilkington Press, ISBN 1 899044 1 1 6 The Author: Made reputation by spotting scientific revolutions as they occur. Responsible for TV programmes: - Violent Universe, Restless Earth, The Life Game, etc etc. Has tracked the debate between Solar or Greenhouse warming for more than 20 years. A reputable independent reporter of science. The author cautions: - Critics beware, your reactions may provide material for a later edition... This book records the scientific study of global warming and the developing understanding of the mechanisms which affect it. It particularly follows the development of the Greenhouse theory or Carbon Forcing and views this in relation to the study of solar impact on global weather. The mechanisms by which varying solar electro-magnetic activities affects global weather was discovered by 3 Danish scientists, Knud Lassen, Eigil Friis-Christensen and Henrik Svensmark using: - 1. Their own work on the Earth's magnetic field and solar activity. 2. Data from other research scientists on cosmic rays, solar studies, temperature and weather records, magnetic fields, the mechanisms of cloud formation, el nino and volcanic effects and much newer data available from solar and earth observing satellites. They found that: - 1. The Earth is washed by a magnetic shield and solar wind from the sun, which vary in intensity with the suns own electromagnetic flares and sunspot activity The stronger the activity on and in the sun, the stronger the solar wind and magnetic shield. 2. The Earth is constantly bombarded by cosmic rays from the Milky Way. 3. The effect of cosmic rays is to charge atmospheric particles with the result that clouds form more easily. 4. Cosmic rays are drawn to the Earth's poles by the Earth's magnetic field. They are therefore concentrated in middle to pole latitudes and assist the formation of more clouds in middle latitudes. 5. Clouds actually cool the Earth by preventing the sun's heat from reaching it. 6. But, the effect of both the solar wind and solar magnetic shield is to turn away from the Earth the bombardment of cosmic rays - thus less cloud formation and greater solar heat impinges on Earth, thus warming it. Using cosmic ray data (radio beryllium deposits in Greenland ice cores) from 1885 and comparing them with IPCC temperature data they can demonstrate that the global land temperature simply follows (to within 0.2oc) the intensity of cosmic rays. Variations are explained by prolonged el nino effects and volcanic eruptions. In addition, the empirical indicator of solar vigour, the length of the solar cycle, matches climate change back to 1500, i.e. before the industrial revolution and our use of fossil fuels leading to the carbon forcing theory. The author criticises the IPCC super computers for not taking enough regard of: 1. Solar and cosmic ray activity 2. Cloud thickness and its cooling effect 3. The effects of mid ocean cloud formation of which little was known until reasonably recently (satellite pictures and surface studies) Bert Bolin, Swedish deputy for the IPCC, firstly discredited the Danish Scientists work and is quoted in information as saying I find the move from this pair scientifically extremely naïve and irresponsible. But a few weeks later, after reading the Svensmark and Friis-Christensen pre-print, he is quoted in the Swedish magazine Ny Teknik as saying..it is pleasing to see such a sane and sincere scientific investigation. It differs quite a lot from other questionings of the greenhouse effect. Naturally, I was surprised by the big changes they report in the clouds I can't see that their findings are given a satisfactory explanation. They do not conclude anything about the effects of human activity. But there is no doubt that this is serious science. Despite virtually disproving the carbon forcing theory the book does caution that it is wise to continue with more efficient energy use and renewable sources for reasons of protecting limited resources and tackling acid rain, pollution and air quality issues. The Danish scientists' work was published on 18 July 1996 but
[Biofuel] Methane Digester
I was curious to know if anyone has any first hand experience with Methane Digesters. And if so, what size farm operation would be a minimum for generating a useful amount of gas? Keeping in mind that much of my small farm manure is currently used in composting and I wouldn't sacrifice that. However, over the next few years I will be increasing the amount of livestock. In addition, what sort of environmental impact might this have? Thank you, Tim F. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Steve, thanks. that mileage is so completely different from the UK. It appears that most of your milefage will be achieved hot, with a dry exhaust. Whereas for some of us here in the UK much of the mileage may be attained much below engine operating temperature and the condensed products of combustion might well remain as liquid in the exhaust pipe after some jourmeys. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Spence Sent: 12 October 2004 14:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives I drive 50 miles to work each way. We are 15 miles from the nearest grocery store/shopping center, 5 miles from the nearest gas station. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:58 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives Thanks Ramon. British wet and cold weather must be considered as a factor, as must road salt. The % of hot/cold running should also be considered. Many car users in this country may use their car for frequent short journeys of say 5miles or less with the rresult that some cars may seldom be driven, or attain 'mileage' whilst at designed operating temperature. Avrage annual miles in the UK is approx 10,000 . What is avge inthe USA? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ramon Mendoza Sent: 12 October 2004 01:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives I have a 91 Acura Integra, 226k miles, original muffler and tailpipe. Replaced the catalytic converter 2 yrs ago. But then this is a Southern Cali car that I've owned since '94- it had about 45,000 when I got her - haven't had to deal with a lot of ice, sleet, snow and salt on the roads, that's for sure. Ramon --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a Nissan Sentyra 1987 with over 160,000K on it with the original muffler. Only part that went south was the locking flange at the manifold ($26.00). Luc - Original Message - From: Erik Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives --- Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 124k miles on original exhaust seems exceptional to me, really?? is this also the experience of other people? i have quite a few cars here that have 100-200k on gasoline engines with the original exhaust and it's in good condition. and there's one with a rusted out muffler that has about 170k on it. and the diesels range from 150-300k + with no problems yet. i suspect that diesel fuel doesn't have the same problems that gas engines experience, but i don't really know. all numbers are in US miles. erik ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing
RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives
WOW! But you missed out nautical mile! Please don't, these vary also, and this really is a scottish joke. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Spence Sent: 12 October 2004 14:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives Irish Mile = 2048 meters. mile (mi) a traditional unit of distance. The word comes from the Latin word for 1000, mille, because originally a mile was the distance a Roman legion could march in 1000 paces (or 2000 steps, a pace being the distance between successive falls of the same foot). There is some uncertainty about the length of the Roman mile. Based on the Roman foot of 29.6 centimeters and assuming a standard pace of 5 Roman feet, the Roman mile would have been 1480 meters (4856 feet); however, the measured distance between surviving milestones of Roman roads is often closer to 1520 meters or 5000 feet. In any case, miles of similar lengths were used throughout Western Europe. In medieval Britain, several mile units were used, including a mile of 5000 feet (1524 meters), the modern mile defined as 8 furlongs (1609 meters), and a longer mile similar to the French mille (1949 meters), plus the Scottish mile (1814 meters) and the Irish mile (2048 meters). In 1592 the British Parliament settled the question by defining the statute mile to be 8 furlongs, 80 chains, 320 rods, 1760 yards or 5280 feet. The statute mile is exactly 1609.344 meters. In athletics, races of 1500 or 1600 meters are often called metric miles. http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/61126.html Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:29 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives I too checked conversion tables and found it was not listed, so presumed the same. In any case it still seems that US exhausts last much longer than ULK counterparts. Now, just to confuse, what's a Irish mile? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 October 2004 00:17 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives I don't think there is such a thing as a U.S. mile. Back in the 1950's my high school teacher told us that the U.S. and Britain had agreed to compromise on the Canadian definition of the inch as *exactly* 2.540 centimetres. So as far as the mile goes we're all on the same page: 12 inches to the foot, 5280 feet to the mile, and the inches are the same. I imagine the writer was thinking of U.S. gallons and got confused. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Donald Allwright wrote: What exactly is a US mile??? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable):
Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!
engine coolant will heat DHW though a heat exchanger. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Are you just generating electricity or are you co-generating, using the waste heat from your diesel engine to heat your house getting more bang for the buck and saving even more energy. I don't know why more residential or commercial co-generation plants aren't used, especially in the northern climes. Ken --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Sorta Tonight we fired up on 50/50 Kerosene and Waste Vegetable Oil. The Detroit Diesel is loving the mix and is purring like a kitten! Smells sweet. The details of our oil filtration system are coming shortly. Tomorrow the heat exchanger gets installed in the Veggie tank for V100 (100% Veggie). We also hope to get the muffler installed . See the full article at http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Green-Trust_Heat_% 26_Power_System http://tinyurl.com/52a4v www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
Luc - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could not get through ( or very little of it )? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Rules for biofuels list ( was MAGNETS )
Don, Thank you, you are forgiven. One thing that does not help is just adding onto successive post without trimming them.For people with dial up and pay buy the minute, that can really add up for someone with a slow connection speed.It also makes searches real difficult when you have successive posts in a reply. Changing the subject also helps people when they are doing searches, when they are skimming posts by subject, and when they have rules set up for their mailbox to sort by subject. By putting the new subject first ( see subject line above ), instead of tacking it on last, it is visible, and makes it easier to skim postings, and make a rules for sorting. Making mistakes is ok, as long as we learn from them. Even making a mistake once in a while afterwards is ok, as long as it is once in a while.I still do it from time to time, but, I learned just like you, by having someone point out that there are rules.I push it as it is, by mostly 'Top posting', but, that is because my spellchecker doesn't like bottom posting or inter-mixed posting. The rules vary from group to group, and the same thing it true about what is considered good netiquette. That is why I eventually learned to lurk for at least a couple of weeks ( or a few dozen posts, which ever comes first ) when I first join a group ( unless I already know several of the people in the group, from other groups), to see what the flow of things are like. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:27 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: USMinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS..rules for biofuels list On 8/oct/04 Greg H wrote to me (Still haven't read the list rules have you.) I now reply. I have now found time to re-read more carefully the 3 pages of rules/ useful guidance. makes much more sense second time around. I also read the guidance on 'on top' responses, and Netiquette. I did not make time to read the book by Virginia Shea. Having read these rules I can see that I have proceeded incorrectly, and without proper etiquette. Let's see if I now properly understand where all the places that I have gone wrong. Perhaps you may find time to check this Greg and help me refine my etiquette, contribution, and proper use of the group. This 'confession' may also serve as helpful direction to aspiring new members. Snip This the first ever discussion list I have joined. I have poor IT skills which does not help joining a group like this, but the group has helped me. I find the level of debate and knowledge superlative for a fuels/sustainability group and it is of great interest to me. I apologise if I have offended Greg or others by my etiquette, or lack of it. Perhaps Greg, or others, may want to comment on whether they think I have now read and understood the rules sufficiently to continue,or I am still missing major issues, and to suggest helpful comment re point 3 above, re Subject Heading, and 'thread of discussion'. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johnston, Don Sent: 11 October 2004 19:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS Greg, I confess. I must find time to read the rules. I chose to answer correspondence first. Its 7:00pm, I have 147 unread messages, and I guess my employer might well suggest that I should even be on this list. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: 08 October 2004 17:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS Still hSaven't read the list rules have you. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 09:18 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cellulosic Ethanol -was: US MinnesotaFuelsPlan...MAGNETS Right on! Greg. You did not make me LOL. Wait til you read my next one. I wonder if you will get involved? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel
[Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over
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[Biofuel] Italy Plans SUV Tax, Incentives to Scrap Old Cars
Italy Plans SUV Tax, Incentives to Scrap Old Cars The Italian government is planning to introduce a new tax on big polluting cars such as sports utility vehicles (SUVs), a move which could benefit Turin-based Fiat but incur the wrath of other European countries. Environment Minister Altero Matteoli said taxes on the gas-guzzlers could be used to fund incentives for people to scrap old cars and buy more environmentally friendly ones. Italian streets have traditionally swarmed with small runarounds, often Fiats, but in the last year SUVs such as the Porsche Cayenne and BMW X5 have taken off in popularity, often jamming narrow city roads. Taxing SUVs would not only be a tax on pollution but also on causing traffic jams, Environment Minister Altero Matteoli said in an interview with Friday's Corriere della Sera paper. Petrol-hungry SUVs are pretty much the norm in the United States but have raised ire around Europe where environmentalists decry their emission levels and mayors moan that they are a hazard to pedestrians, cyclists and smaller cars. Earlier this year, France proposed raising taxes on them but put the plan on hold when Germany argued the move protected French companies that make smaller cars, as does Fiat. Matteoli said Italy's Environment Ministry was working on a way of calculating road taxes depending on a car's pollution level - the size of its engine, its registration year and the sort of fuel it uses. That would again benefit Fiat, whose fuel-efficient Multijet diesel engine is one of Italy's best sellers. Matteoli said he could reintroduce incentives for people to scrap old cars which spew out more pollution than new ones. It isn't fair to put a higher road tax on older cars that often belong to poorer people. (So we could) provide incentives for people wanting to change those cars, possibly using the money we get from taxing polluting cars, he said. Source: Reuters News Service ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
Steve, sorry not to respond earlier. I am revealing my lack of knowledge of biofuels,and in this case WVO, and now take your point that WVO actually cleans away such deposits, so this is one aspect of KD420 which would have little, or no appeal to biofuelers. I was speaking in 'general' terms of 'doubling' engine life. I note that you say that 'those deposits do not reduce engine life by 50%'. I suspect that how such deposits influence engine life might well be related to how the engine is used and could well be worse in the UK where some vehicles might well be used for short distance, low speed, cold mileage. But none theless let us accept that I over-generalised. With standard fuels in the UK our engines do get carbon deposits over time which must accelerate engine wear, especially if they build up at the edge of the piston rings and end up scoring the cylinder walls. KD 420 removes this, in addition to varnishes and gums. It can also be used @ 1:200 in the engine oil to perform a similar purpose in the lower engine. Over time, especially if used with high quality modern oils, this must considerably extend engine life, although I grossly 'over generalise' by stating 'doubling'. In truth I do not know by how long, and it would vary for each engine application one would imagine. A taxi driver here tried it on an engine which had already achieved nearly 250k miles. He accepted that the engine was 'knackered'. It is likely that it was carbon deposits on the piston rings that was helping with some form of compression. The engine was using a fair amount of oil. The driver agreed that after several weeks he had measured fuel savings of approx 8%, but that his oil consumption had soared, and the increased oil costs offset the fuel savings. I believe that compression was partly achieved by carbon accumulations on the rings and when this carbon was cleaned away, compression was reduced, and there were clearer 'gaps' between the rings and the cylinder walls to reduce compression and increase loss of oil. it just gets me wondering how many miles such a taxi might achieve if they used KD from new in comjunction with special lubricants. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 October 2004 19:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Because I'm already removing such deposits by using a oxygenated solvent for fuel. See the subject line, WVO, not diesel. Eliminating such items still won't double engine life, as those deposits do not reduce engine life by 50% .. = = = Original message = = = Steve, why not ? Especially if it also reduces engine wear by preventing the formation of varnish, gum,soot and carbon deposits? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Spence Sent: 08 October 2004 16:41 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset I suspect that expecting a fuel additive to double the life of an engine is not such a good idea. Steve Spence IT Specialist [EMAIL PROTECTED] (315) 393-3573 x.242 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnston, Don Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 6:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset I suspect and believe that one could double that to 40,000 hours with kd420, 0R ep4 combustion enhancing technology. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: 08 October 2004 02:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow
RE: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion....Carbon Forcing or solar activity
Kirk, apologies , but that was way over my head! I did however understand the 'Manic Sun', and the three Danish Scientists made no mention of meteors. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: 12 October 2004 15:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversionCarbon Forcing or solar activity I think meteoric activity is in there as well sice it is the doping of the photosphere that makes a difference. Plasmas emit photons roughly proportional to the square of the number of electrons of the atom making up the plasma. Iron has 55 so it has much more emission than hydrogen with 1. So you see a little iron goes a long way in modifying solar emission. Kirk Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you read 'The Manic Sun- Weather Theories Confounded' by Nigel calder, who concludes that our weather is at the mercy of exploding stars in the milky way combined with solar activity. Following my IT instruction on the biofuel list I will cut and paste a resume GLOBAL WARMING CARBON FORCING OR SOLAR ACTIVITY ??! See The Manic Sun - Weather Theories Confounded By Nigel Calder 1997, Pilkington Press, ISBN 1 899044 1 1 6 The Author: Made reputation by spotting scientific revolutions as they occur. Responsible for TV programmes: - Violent Universe, Restless Earth, The Life Game, etc etc. Has tracked the debate between Solar or Greenhouse warming for more than 20 years. A reputable independent reporter of science. The author cautions: - Critics beware, your reactions may provide material for a later edition... This book records the scientific study of global warming and the developing understanding of the mechanisms which affect it. It particularly follows the development of the Greenhouse theory or Carbon Forcing and views this in relation to the study of solar impact on global weather. The mechanisms by which varying solar electro-magnetic activities affects global weather was discovered by 3 Danish scientists, Knud Lassen, Eigil Friis-Christensen and Henrik Svensmark using: - 1. Their own work on the Earth's magnetic field and solar activity. 2. Data from other research scientists on cosmic rays, solar studies, temperature and weather records, magnetic fields, the mechanisms of cloud formation, el nino and volcanic effects and much newer data available from solar and earth observing satellites. They found that: - 1. The Earth is washed by a magnetic shield and solar wind from the sun, which vary in intensity with the suns own electromagnetic flares and sunspot activity The stronger the activity on and in the sun, the stronger the solar wind and magnetic shield. 2. The Earth is constantly bombarded by cosmic rays from the Milky Way. 3. The effect of cosmic rays is to charge atmospheric particles with the result that clouds form more easily. 4. Cosmic rays are drawn to the Earth's poles by the Earth's magnetic field. They are therefore concentrated in middle to pole latitudes and assist the formation of more clouds in middle latitudes. 5. Clouds actually cool the Earth by preventing the sun's heat from reaching it. 6. But, the effect of both the solar wind and solar magnetic shield is to turn away from the Earth the bombardment of cosmic rays - thus less cloud formation and greater solar heat impinges on Earth, thus warming it. Using cosmic ray data (radio beryllium deposits in Greenland ice cores) from 1885 and comparing them with IPCC temperature data they can demonstrate that the global land temperature simply follows (to within 0.2oc) the intensity of cosmic rays. Variations are explained by prolonged el nino effects and volcanic eruptions. In addition, the empirical indicator of solar vigour, the length of the solar cycle, matches climate change back to 1500, i.e. before the industrial revolution and our use of fossil fuels leading to the carbon forcing theory. The author criticises the IPCC super computers for not taking enough regard of: 1. Solar and cosmic ray activity 2. Cloud thickness and its cooling effect 3. The effects of mid ocean cloud formation of which little was known until reasonably recently (satellite pictures and surface studies) Bert Bolin, Swedish deputy for the IPCC, firstly discredited the Danish Scientists work and is quoted in information as saying I find the move from this pair scientifically extremely nave and irresponsible. But a few weeks later, after reading the Svensmark and Friis-Christensen pre-print, he is quoted in the Swedish magazine Ny Teknik as saying..it is pleasing to see such a sane and sincere scientific
[Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives )
Ok I, having checked with the wife, and she transferred me to policy service, they said between 10 k and 12 k miles a year. From the extremes you talked about to hot dry conditions. This is not for business use, but, for the basic family car. For business use, the person in policy service couldn't give me a anything exact ( based on their own exp. ) as they dealt in mostly in family type of insurance, but, said they have seen some industry statistics that say average number of miles driven for business use between 15k and 20k a year. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 04:58 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives Thanks Ramon. British wet and cold weather must be considered as a factor, as must road salt. The % of hot/cold running should also be considered. Many car users in this country may use their car for frequent short journeys of say 5miles or less with the rresult that some cars may seldom be driven, or attain 'mileage' whilst at designed operating temperature. Avrage annual miles in the UK is approx 10,000 . What is avge inthe USA? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!
Congratulations! was that you in the picture sitting on the engine? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Spence Sent: 12 October 2004 15:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie! engine coolant will heat DHW though a heat exchanger. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Are you just generating electricity or are you co-generating, using the waste heat from your diesel engine to heat your house getting more bang for the buck and saving even more energy. I don't know why more residential or commercial co-generation plants aren't used, especially in the northern climes. Ken --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Sorta Tonight we fired up on 50/50 Kerosene and Waste Vegetable Oil. The Detroit Diesel is loving the mix and is purring like a kitten! Smells sweet. The details of our oil filtration system are coming shortly. Tomorrow the heat exchanger gets installed in the Veggie tank for V100 (100% Veggie). We also hope to get the muffler installed . See the full article at http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Green-Trust_Heat_% 26_Power_System http://tinyurl.com/52a4v www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[biofuel] Carbon Forcing or solar activity -was: Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion....CarbonForcing or solar activity
It would seem after reading the thoughts below the concerns for the environment and the effects from fossil energy interests, whether they be business, scientific, political or militarized intervention, are barbaric unless economics plays a key role in the development of alternative domestic energy sources to minimize the threat of this bloody terrorizing aftermath and dissuade ourselves of any anthropogenic GHG effects. Johnston, Don wrote: Have you read 'The Manic Sun- Weather Theories Confounded' by Nigel calder, who concludes that our weather is at the mercy of exploding stars in the milky way combined with solar activity. Following my IT instruction on the biofuel list I will cut and paste a resume GLOBAL WARMING CARBON FORCING OR SOLAR ACTIVITY ??! See The Manic Sun - Weather Theories Confounded By Nigel Calder 1997, Pilkington Press, ISBN 1 899044 1 1 6 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] A POTENTIAL ENHANCER FOR BIOFUELS........KD420COMBUSTION IMPROVER
ie, the efficacy of the product. From what I gather you say as reported to you, KD420 is a relatively high molecular wt mineral oil (hydrocarbon) with 0.1% something else added. This I get from the combination of the gc/ms analysis and the flammability data. OK. the first problem I have is the explanation from the manufacturer of how it works . Breaking big molecules in to smaller ones. This is what is done at some refineries, and is neither simple or easy. The process, called metathesis, requires rather exotic, read expensive, organometallic catalysts. If in fact this product is acting as explained it could revolutionize organic chemistry. By the way, I guess I missed any data on the cost of the product or the concentration that it is used. I guess it could be a metathesis catalyst, I cant' imagine it being cost effective as used. I also note that the action to make big molecules into littler ones was noted as tail pipe emissions, not before combustion. Why is it a good thing to detect many more hydrocarbon species in the exhaust of treated petrol? Realistically there should be no hydrocarbons in the tail pipe emissions, not more. And if I did an analysis of fuel before and after addition of KD420, would I find smaller molecules after than before admixture, ie before the combustion chamber? And if smaller molecules are advantageous, why doesn't the fuel manufacturer just sell a blend of lower molecular wt fuel? As to your personal observations of efficacy, my problem is the statistical base of your evaluation. N= 1 does not carry a lot of significance. Maybe your data is idiosyncratic. Maybe because you are not generally trained to deal with statistical variability you have missed an unrecognized bias in your data. The marketing being limited also bothers me. If I had a product that really would improve fuel efficiency by a significant amount, I would be trumpeting it from the highest parapet, and make a bazillion dollars in the process. This all ends up sounding like the magnets. Or the 200 mpg carburetor, which of course the oil companies have successfully suppressed of nearly a century now. This product makes extraordinary claims, I will await extraordinary proof. Johnston, Don wrote: Doug, thanks for your supportive comment. GCMS analysis reveals that this is 99.9% clean hydrocarbon with no acids, alkalis, or heavy metals. It is not combustible on its own and cardboard wetted with it will extingish flames so it is most unlikely to be a mixture of diesel and biofuel, as was previously suggested, but I have not found time to answer. I was advised by the now deceased UK Technical Dirctor that it is mineral oil with some confidential ingredients. HOWEVER, your comments on the latter stages of combustion are apparently 'spot on' re this technology. We are told that one of the ways it 'works' is by firstly breaking down long chain molecules to aid more comlete combustion, that this is the way it deals with both LFO HFO sludge,and accumulations of varnishes and gums. Here, in Portsmouth, we have demonstrated that it does indeed breakdown and absorb such products in 5 LFO boiler fuel tanks, immediately stopping fuel related stoppages and breakdowns. One of the tanks was actualy emptied for inspection and found to be amazingly clean. The technology also carries these products ( sludge etc) thro' the filters, cleaning the filters as it does so, thus demonstrating that clumped, sticky material has indeed been broken down. The smaller chain hydrocarbon claim is also demonstrated by the independent results from DERA, now QINETIQ, which identified many more hydrocarbon species in the exhaust of treated petrol, than it did in untreated petrol. Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 October 2004 20:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] A POTENTIAL ENHANCER FOR BIOFUELSKD420COMBUSTION IMPROVER There used to be (maybe still is) a company in fort Erie, Ontario which sold a fuel additive based on an organic iron compound (related to formic acid I believe) which claimed similar gains for diesels and was also said to be useful with gasoline engines. I think it was supposed to have a catalytic effect. Now, given that the later stages of diesel combustion are involved with the chemical breakdown of the fuel, it's reasonable to me that enhancing and speeding this process could result in cumbustion occuring sooner after top dead centre, a greater effective expamnsion ratio and greater thermal efficiency. If the gasification occurred sooner, in an
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
Luc, The problem [to me] sounds like your hand-primer pump went bad. Should be a simple/cheap repair if this is the case. -Michael - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:39 am Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 It would most likely choke, which is what it is doing :( Luc - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could not get through ( or very little of it )? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the CSU Email Gateway, and is believed to be clean. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives )
It has been getting cooler here and we have some nights down in the 60's I have noticed the 6.2 Blazer getting a good bit harder to start, and I am having to hold the glow plug relay in about a full minute. All summer it only took about 15 to 30 seconds. This morning I had to do it twice. It looks like I may start plugging it in soon to keep it warm. Anybody have an idea of how many watts these block heaters pull? Wondering if it might be better to put it on a timer that goes off right before daylight? Then it warms in an hour or two.? mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/5/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay in fuel taxes in your lifetime. You're probably right, but so what? Everyone's situation is different, and therefore their options will differ as well. Our situation is such that we're not constrained by the economics that rule corporate research. Corporations have to pay rent for the land they use; we've got our 130 acre campus, and the building's we've built there, and eleven septic systems, and more than a mile of underground water lines, and so on all owned outright, so we don't have to figure those costs in our systems. And we don't have shareholders who expect a monetary return on that investment. What they do expect is that we'll use these resources to explore ways that sustainable energy can be made relevant to community-based systems. Corporations have to pay hefty salaries to get engineers to design and build their systems; we're a team of retired/laid-off engineers who live here and do these things because they're fun and need doing, so we don't have to figure those personnel costs in either. Corporations have to hire welders, machinists and electricians to set up their systems; we have our own machine shop with six different types of welders, an induction foundry that can handle 200 pound castings, our own saw mill (and our own trees for that matter), and on and on . . . Are we a bunch of amateur tinkers? You bet, we are. We do this because we love the concepts, are fascinated by the technology and committed to finding ways to weave a renewable matrix that will provide a quality life. It's sort of like the need to distinguish between what one's going to have for dinner, and how one is going to manage their diet. You can get a McDonald's double-cheese burger for a buck a piece every day of the week, so why endure all the upfront cost involved in building a kitchen and learning to cook? Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] fuel additives
Agreed, my '85 Land Cruiser has over 400,000 Km ( over 248,000 miles ) with original fuel, break, and clutch pads. All of the exhaust is original, except for a 3 ft section that was replaced this summer, due to it rubbing on the U bolt ( that was holding it in place ), until it broke through, but that was from mechanical wear, not rust. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:01 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] fuel additives Is it that unusual? My '92 honda has over 140,000 with the original exhaust and brake pads. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Trio of New Internet Resources from Alliance to Save Energy
Trio of New Internet Resources from Alliance to Save Energy Source: Alliance to Save Energy Posted by: Alliance to Save Energy - archive http://www.ase.org Posted on: Oct 8, 2004 @ 10:34 am For Further Information For Immediate Release Ronnie Kweller 202-530-2203; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trio of New Internet Resources from Alliance to Save Energy Offers Industry Energy Cost Relief, Enhanced Bottom Line Washington, DC, October 8, 2004 - A trio of new web-based information resources developed by the Alliance to Save Energy can help manufacturers keep their energy costs in check and their profits up by managing their energy use wisely. The new tools are an industrial energy efficiency clearinghouse, corporate energy management case studies, and a steam case study database. Savvy manufacturers know that curbing energy costs takes more than just fuel-price shopping - it also takes smart energy use management, said Christopher Russell, the Alliance's director of industrial programs. They know that good energy management can often reduce fuel expenses by 10 to 20 percent, while boosting plant reliability and capacity. Add to that savings on raw materials and the reduced expense of idle resources. Companies find that efficiency measures also provide control over thermal resources. Control provides reliability, so orders can be filled faster. This means they can take on more orders - and make more money. The bottom line is that managing energy consumption is an indispensable part of any strategy for dealing with volatile fuel prices. The average annual energy savings for the over 75 projects undertaken by DuPont, for instance, is $275,000. Kimberly Clark has reduced energy consumption by 11.7 percent per ton of product. And Frito-Lay's fuel, power, and water management activities yield a combined 30 percent return on investment. The new Alliance resources include: * The Industrial Energy Efficiency Clearinghouse (www.ase.org/section/topic/industry/clearinghouse) introduces technologies, management strategies, training opportunities, and financing options. The Checklist for Getting Management Approval helps staff advocate energy efficiency to skeptical top managers. * Corporate Energy Management Case Studies (www.ase.org/section/topic/industry/corporate) presents a variety of real-life cases on the organizational and managerial aspects of implementing company-wide energy strategies. Users can review the hurdles to and rewards of daily energy management. * The Steam Case Study Database (www.steamingahead.org/casestudies) allows visitors to browse more than 120 steam system improvement case studies by type of industry or improvement or by location to learn anticipated costs, savings, and payback for selected improvements. Steam systems consume more than half of the fossil fuel used by industry. The Alliance to Save Energy is a coalition of prominent businesses, government, environmental, and consumer leaders who promote the efficient and clean use of energy worldwide to benefit consumers, the environment, economy, and national security. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Free book The Oil Age is Over
Free until US elections Yeah... squealing like a junky faced with cold turkey. Too much of Die-off Jay Hanson's influence, not nearly enough of the sort of approach you often see from people here, eg what Hakan says about energy waste, what Todd and others say about localisation of energy supply, what many say about the need to reduce energy use and improve energy efficiency, what me and others say about sustainable farming and energy supply, and what we all know about how seriously, if that's quite the word (it's not), our governments truly take sustainable energy. They haven't even really started to think about it yet, beyond starting to make what they hope might be the right kind of grunting noises. I suppose it has some sort of internal coherence - makes sense if you read it through a keyhole maybe. I guess it's worth the price. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Crimes Against Nature
Crimes Against Nature George W. Bush will go down as the worst environmental president in U.S. history, says Robert F. Kennedy. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Interviewed By Jeff Fleischer October 7, 2004 You simply can't talk honestly about the environment today without criticizing this president. George W. Bush will go down as the worst environmental president in our nation's history. So writes Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in his new book Crimes Against Nature, which details how President Bush has rewritten the nation's environmental laws in favor of industry and filled his administration with former lobbyists and corporate executives who now oversee the regulation of their former industries. A senior attorney with the Natural Resources Defense Council and president of the grassroots Waterkeeper Alliance, Kennedy argues that the Bush administration consistently favored corporate interests over the environment and public health, assaulting the very idea of a common good. He recently spoke with MotherJones.com George W. Bush's many crimes against nature. MotherJones.com: How has the U.S. government historically changed its approach to public commons such as the air and water? Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: One of the successes of the right-wing propaganda campaign has been to convince the American people that the environmental laws were new innovations passed after Earth Day. But in fact, it's always been illegal to pollute. The pollution was restricted by two ancient doctrines. One's called the Public Trust Doctrine, which says that those assets that are by their nature shared assets -- the commonwealth, the air and water, the wildlife, public lands -- are owned by the public. Everybody has a right to use them, and nobody has a right to treat them in a way that will diminish their use and enjoyment by others. The other law is Nuisance Law, which protects private property from intrusion by polluters. Nuisance law has been turned on its head by the right wing, who claim to be on the side of property rights, but really only favor property rights when they're talking about the right of a polluter to use his property to destroy his neighbor's property or the public property. The law in the United States, in every jurisdiction until about 1876, was that if a factory put smoke into the air, even one day a year, and it got onto a neighbor's property, the neighbor had the right to enjoin to close down the factory, and the courts had no choice but to do that. Those strong, ancient laws were dismantled through corruption and the political power of industry, as well as a general recognition that industrialization would be beneficial to the American public. But the pendulum swung too far, and by the early 1960s the polluters had basically displaced the public out of public trust assets. Then you had the reaction; you had Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring, which was the clarion call, and then you had Earth Day, 1970, when 20 million Americans came out onto the street to demand the return of their ancient environmental rights. The result of that was the passage of 28 major environmental laws over the next decade that made an effort to restore those rights to the public. MJ.com: From there, what tactics did industry use to regain its position? RFK: The Gang of Five foundations that are huge repositories of industrial polluter money [the John.M Olin Foundation, the Sarah Scaife Foundation, the Castle Rock Foundation, the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, and the Bradley Foundation] have been used to create think tanks, to recruit phony scientists that we call biostitutes and to fund politicians in order to undermine and subvert those environmental laws that were passed after Earth Day: the Endangered Species Act, the Clean Water Act, the Clean Air Act. Industry was kind of caught off-guard by Earth Day and the legislative barrage that followed. But since then, they've mobilized to regain control of the public trust assets. And really, the best measure of how a democracy is functioning is how it allocates the goods of the land, the public trust assets. Does it maintain the air and water under control of the people for the benefit of the public, or does it allow those assets to be privatized by politically powerful entities? MJ.com: How surprising has George Bush's environmental policy been in light of his track record as governor? RFK: We weren't surprised by the federal environmental record, because we saw that he'd been the worst environmental governor in America. Under his leadership, Texas became the most polluted state in the country, with the highest levels of air pollution, the highest levels of water pollution, and the highest level of toxic waste and toxic releases. And it was 49th among 50 states in per-capita environmental spending. He was only worsted by Gov. Mike Leavitt of Utah, who he has named his EPA administrator and who is now in
Re: [Biofuel] Noble gesture by Bush
I guess Bush has to inflate the numbers, because 3,000 is a small number compared to the other atrocities that have occurred. Already there are about 12,000 Iraqi civilians killed 20,000 died in Bhopal, neither Union Carbide nor Dow which bought Union Carbide has paid one penny in reparation. 1 million died in the Rawanda massacre who knows how may are dying in Dakar 40,000 are slaughtered each year on American highways half by drunk drivers 10 million African babies die each year from starvation 1 million Armenians were massacared by the Turks Hitler exterminated 10 million Stalin killed about 20 million And the land of liberty and freedom, now committed to granting democracy to others, completely decimated its native population in its formative years, Done with my soap box ranting Ken --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following some of the election speeches by Bush, he is talking by the 3,800+ Americans that died at WTC. If I am not completely misinformed, about half of them were foreign nationals originally, but they must have been adopted by presidential decree or some other mechanism. A very nice gesture, but the problem I have, were they asked before they became Americans? I heard that if you are born on American soil, you are automatically American or have the right to be, I did not know that it was the same case if you died on American soil. Hakan ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methane Digester
Hi Tim, Over in Ireland here we use approx 200head cattle as break even point, depends if you are selling back to grid, and have use for heat (CHP) Are you in Europe, check CADDETT for more info of technology suppliers, best of luck with project, Sh*t Happens. dD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was curious to know if anyone has any first hand experience with Methane Digesters. And if so, what size farm operation would be a minimum for generating a useful amount of gas? Keeping in mind that much of my small farm manure is currently used in composting and I wouldn't sacrifice that. However, over the next few years I will be increasing the amount of livestock. In addition, what sort of environmental impact might this have? Thank you, Tim F. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Sign up for eircom broadband now and get a free two month trial.* Phone 1850 73 00 73 or visit http://home.eircom.net/broadbandoffer ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methane Digester
I was curious to know if anyone has any first hand experience with Methane Digesters. A project for this winter for us. I guess as of now the answer would be yes, some. And if so, what size farm operation would be a minimum for generating a useful amount of gas? Useful for what? Fry says in his book (below) that a tractor tyre biogas digester will produce gas from very little chicken manure, but it'll only give you enough gas for 20 minutes a day - but that's enough to cook a meal. Keeping in mind that much of my small farm manure is currently used in composting and I wouldn't sacrifice that. Indeed not, and that's what's kept us from doing biogas up to now. However, over the next few years I will be increasing the amount of livestock. In addition, what sort of environmental impact might this have? It needn't have any. Just don't believe them when they say the sludge is a good fertiliser! If you're a composter you'll know why it isn't, even if it does contain some N, P, and K. There are some useful resources in our Biofuels library which should give you some ideas: Methane Digesters For Fuel Gas and Fertilizer -- With Complete Instructions For Two Working Models http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#methanefry Nepal Biogas Plant -- Construction Manual http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#nepgas Jean Pain: France's King of Green Gold http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#pain When we build a unit this winter, or hopefully before, we'll make a new section on biogas at our website, with a lot of resources. I've been threatening to do this for some time. It'll happen when it does. Meanwhile there's some interesting stuff in the archives. Try these: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37307/ Fwd: Anaerobic digestion of oil cake http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37311/ Fwd: Anaerobic digestion of oil cake - more http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/33550/ Biogas was Rejoining list with a question HTH Best Keith Thank you, Tim F. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing
Sory, I'm two days behind. Keith, I did graduate from college with a BA in Chemistry and I did do my senior thesis research on biodiesel. I didn't get anywhere near what I wanted to get accomplished with my project since the school I went to had virtually no working instruments to test with. I started with the straight forward biodiesel reaction with methanol and vegetable oil with NaOH catalyst and then tried a couple variations with ethanol. I also tried a couple ether-alcohols 1-methoxy-2-ethanol and 2 methoxy-ethanol. In those reactions, the glycerine combined with the alcohol instead of the fatty acid, and I was left with soap as the other product. It seemed that the reaction was temperature dependent as when the temperature for those 2 reactions was above 70 degrees celsius, there was definite glycerine present as the color of the reaction mix became a dark amber, but as the temperature dropped in the deparation vessel the brown color disappeared and became a milky cloudy color. Now, the only instrument available to me in the lab was NMR which wasn't very helpful to me other than to tell me qualitatively what I had, but not the purity. I was hoping to do some HPLC tests to see what kind of reaction % I was getting. I also tried using isopropanol which didn't work with the NaOH or KOH. I reacted Na metal with the isopropanol (I was using 99.5% pure and not rubbing alcohol) and a precipitate formed since the Na metal did not react vigorously enough before the oxygen in the air reacted to form NaOH. I tried potassium metal which reacted readily with the alcohol and using the potassium isopropoxide in isopropanol solution I had created as a catalyst, I was able to get a reaction just as in the complex ether-alcohols but the end result was similar... when the temperature dropped to room temperature in the separation vessel, the glycerine disappeared and I ended up with an unseparated product. I found also that using sodium metal (reacting on a mole-to-mole basis) with ethanol to get the same sodium concentration as with lye and this was the most effective route for me overall. There was no problem with separation and since there was no water produced in the reaction (the byproduct would be a sodium salt of glycerine) there was no emulsion when washing as I had experienced in the other tests. I don't know how feasible it would be to use sodium metal though, since it is highly reactive with water. I didn't have the time to try more complex tests than these, and was thoroughly disappointed that I couldn't do more instrumental analysis to find the purity of the product I produced. I should also note that you can purchase sodium ethoxide or sodium methoxide in salt form as well. I wish I knew where I kept the paper I found on the subject but there was a university study that showed that the use of sodium methoxide or sodium ethoxide was superior when working with pure ethanol, but that potassium ethoxide and methoxide did not yield a good separation... this I don't know why. Like I said, there was much more I wish I could have done, and I wish I could get in to the U of Idaho to work on biodiesel as a graduate student, but since they only accept 10 graduates (not all from the US of course) and I could have used a few extra points on my GPA, I'm not going to bother applying. What you did get done is interesting enough. I can see why you were disappointed, but on the other hand, I think any of us old farts around here might tell you it might be too soon for that. These things can have an odd way of working out in the end. Right now I am working a job that has nothing to do with what I want to do, but hopefully after I put in a couple years, I can get a better idea of what I want to do with my life. That's no bad plan. That's what I did (not that that necessarily means it's a good plan!). I had no idea what I wanted to do with myself, other than that it wasn't what my elders and betters wanted me to do. Remember The Graduate? It was those days: Plastics! Huh? So I just did whatever came to hand, this for a couple of years, then that for another, and so on - I had five or six jobs before I finally joined a newspaper, for better or for worse (both!). But I never regretted any of those previous jobs, it all helped a lot. You have a farming background, you know about sustainable farming, you studied chemistry and you know a lot about biofuels. That sure makes for some interesting combinations. I think the world needs people like you, even if it hasn't realised it yet. Hang in there Jeff, I'm sure you'll find your path, or it will find you. Regards, and good luck Keith Regards, Jeff Original Message Follows From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:18:13 +0900 Hello Jeff I'm
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Walt, I like to design the kitchen and cook food, because I think it is fun and I like good tasting food. I will however recent any suggestions or thoughts on the line that make the whole world dependent on that I cook for them. If that would be the case, they would die of starvation. I certainly do not have the capacity or the knowledge. I make good food, not necessary nutritional and what the world need. The basic material and tools that I use, are not affordable by a majority of the world and for most people not practical. I cannot take responsibility for any food lines, if they build up in front of my house. I guess that you wanted to say something similar. LOL Hakan At 06:58 PM 10/12/2004, you wrote: At 09:56 AM 10/12/04 -0400, Steve wrote: Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay in fuel taxes in your lifetime. You're probably right, but so what? Everyone's situation is different, and therefore their options will differ as well. Our situation is such that we're not constrained by the economics that rule corporate research. Corporations have to pay rent for the land they use; we've got our 130 acre campus, and the building's we've built there, and eleven septic systems, and more than a mile of underground water lines, and so on all owned outright, so we don't have to figure those costs in our systems. And we don't have shareholders who expect a monetary return on that investment. What they do expect is that we'll use these resources to explore ways that sustainable energy can be made relevant to community-based systems. Corporations have to pay hefty salaries to get engineers to design and build their systems; we're a team of retired/laid-off engineers who live here and do these things because they're fun and need doing, so we don't have to figure those personnel costs in either. Corporations have to hire welders, machinists and electricians to set up their systems; we have our own machine shop with six different types of welders, an induction foundry that can handle 200 pound castings, our own saw mill (and our own trees for that matter), and on and on . . . Are we a bunch of amateur tinkers? You bet, we are. We do this because we love the concepts, are fascinated by the technology and committed to finding ways to weave a renewable matrix that will provide a quality life. It's sort of like the need to distinguish between what one's going to have for dinner, and how one is going to manage their diet. You can get a McDonald's double-cheese burger for a buck a piece every day of the week, so why endure all the upfront cost involved in building a kitchen and learning to cook? Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
I guess I need a nap.For a moment there I thought Walt had said You can get a McDonald's double-grease burger , and I was about to reply that the grease has better uses than to be served at Mc Ds' .LOL Greg H. - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:58 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen It's sort of like the need to distinguish between what one's going to have for dinner, and how one is going to manage their diet. You can get a McDonald's double-cheese burger for a buck a piece every day of the week, so why endure all the upfront cost involved in building a kitchen and learning to cook? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing
Did you ever try Hydroxides of other active metals, say lithium ? Has anyone? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 06:54 Subject: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing G'day; Snip Better system yet? Use potassium hydroxide and don't worry about theabove time-consuming PITA (Pain In The Anatomy). As still somewhat of a beginner at this BD making stuff I have a whack of NaOH that I got from a chem supply house that now has to be used, although once I have thorougly pefected using my system and understanding it's ups and downs to where I ma comfortable with it's nuances I will be looking into KOH as a catalyst. That will be for the next season, as this one winds down due to cold and I don't have the with all to properly insulate the pump house, although I will be using the off-season to do that as well as set up the secondary settling tank in preparation for a full and rewarding production season next year. The off-season time will also be used to stock up on things like, methanol and WVO (it's pretty good stuff I get from the Chinese Restaurant and I want to get ahead of it for next year), and insulating the pump house which will allow me to get going earlier than if I only wait for it to be warm enough in the Spring. Ordering some WintronXC30 is also on the list for early Spring use and also for next winters' BD experience. It is too bad too as the Benz REALLY likes running on B100, and it iwll do so once weather and the ability to process permits. Who knows, maybe it will be sooner rather than later, but one thing certain, I will be working at it. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
cook will ensure you are getting a high quality food that you have control over and it is something that you invest toward your future, whereas going to the double-greasser is a cop out that you will not pay for in the moment but will pay dearly for in the long run in heart disease and other health problems. (see the movie/documentary Double Size Me) You can make a diesel run on unwashed BD too and cut out all the hastle of washing ect but sooner or later the poor quality catches up and you pay dearly for trying to cut corners. If you take the time and effort to do it right the first time you will not have to go back and redo it in the future, providing you get an opportunity to do that. Luc - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:58 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen It's sort of like the need to distinguish between what one's going to have for dinner, and how one is going to manage their diet. You can get a McDonald's double-cheese burger for a buck a piece every day of the week, so why endure all the upfront cost involved in building a kitchen and learning to cook? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel]World population reduction, was Short-range hydrogen, was fire ants
Greg, As WMD, Mac Donald's of the world are probably as effective as some of the methods we discussed against fire ants. Hakan At 10:02 PM 10/12/2004, you wrote: I guess I need a nap.For a moment there I thought Walt had said You can get a McDonald's double-grease burger , and I was about to reply that the grease has better uses than to be served at Mc Ds' .LOL Greg H. - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:58 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen It's sort of like the need to distinguish between what one's going to have for dinner, and how one is going to manage their diet. You can get a McDonald's double-cheese burger for a buck a piece every day of the week, so why endure all the upfront cost involved in building a kitchen and learning to cook? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing
mole of reagent. Roughly a couple of bucks for a mole of sodium, 15 bucks for lithium and 40 for potassium Greg Harbican wrote: Did you ever try Hydroxides of other active metals, say lithium ? Has anyone? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 06:54 Subject: [Biofuel] Cold Weather Processing G'day; Snip Better system yet? Use potassium hydroxide and don't worry about theabove time-consuming PITA (Pain In The Anatomy). As still somewhat of a beginner at this BD making stuff I have a whack of NaOH that I got from a chem supply house that now has to be used, although once I have thorougly pefected using my system and understanding it's ups and downs to where I ma comfortable with it's nuances I will be looking into KOH as a catalyst. That will be for the next season, as this one winds down due to cold and I don't have the with all to properly insulate the pump house, although I will be using the off-season to do that as well as set up the secondary settling tank in preparation for a full and rewarding production season next year. The off-season time will also be used to stock up on things like, methanol and WVO (it's pretty good stuff I get from the Chinese Restaurant and I want to get ahead of it for next year), and insulating the pump house which will allow me to get going earlier than if I only wait for it to be warm enough in the Spring. Ordering some WintronXC30 is also on the list for early Spring use and also for next winters' BD experience. It is too bad too as the Benz REALLY likes running on B100, and it iwll do so once weather and the ability to process permits. Who knows, maybe it will be sooner rather than later, but one thing certain, I will be working at it. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
stumbling, air blockage, rough running, and stalling. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could not get through ( or very little of it )? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100
It's the one coming out of the banjo bolt on top of the filter that heads back to the fuel tank. There are two others on top also, coming from the injectors. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 Thanks for the input Steve. Would the return line be the one right after the in-line filter or the second one coming out of the fuel filter (to the left) away from you as you look at it from the right side of the car ? Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The merc doesn't have a electric pump, but does have a external lift pump near the fuel filter feeding the injector pump. Make sure the return line isn't plugged. = = = Original message = = = Well, it wasn't the fuel filters :( Apparently the BD is such an effective cleaner that it loosened up all the residuals in the tank and lines and they became clogged up. The Benz is now at the MB dealer where tomorow it will be fitted with new fuel lines and the tank emptied and flushed or replaced (only if necessary). The symptoms: the car started to resist it's momentum, like it was holding back and then releasing it's acceleration and then it slowly lost power until it came to a slow death on the side of the road. I changed the filters and started it back up and it ran OK for about 60 Km or so and then it didn't bother with the resisting part and went straight to the slow death thing. I could start it but it wouldn't get it's RPM up and died within moments indicating that there was resistance in the fuel delivery and the engine didn't like it and died. All air had been bled out of the system at both the primary and secondary filter inlets, so the problem, by default, is at the other end. Anybody know for sure if a 1983 240D has a filter in the fuel tank or if it has an electric motor pumping the fuel? Thanks, any input, as usual, is appreciated. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen
Walt, If I charge an EV from my solar panels, I can go twice as far than If I used that electric to electrolyze hydrogen, compress it, and burn it in a fuel cell. Not to mention the costs involved with the electrolyzer, the compressor, and the fuel cell far outweigh the cost of an EV. Now why would I be so foolish to throw away my expensive and high quality PV electric in such a manner? Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Short-range hydrogen At 09:56 AM 10/12/04 -0400, Steve wrote: Walt isn't being upfront about the system costs of a renewable system that can generate 30 miles per day of hydrogen. It's more than you will pay in fuel taxes in your lifetime. You're probably right, but so what? Everyone's situation is different, and therefore their options will differ as well. Our situation is such that we're not constrained by the economics that rule corporate research. Corporations have to pay rent for the land they use; we've got our 130 acre campus, and the building's we've built there, and eleven septic systems, and more than a mile of underground water lines, and so on all owned outright, so we don't have to figure those costs in our systems. And we don't have shareholders who expect a monetary return on that investment. What they do expect is that we'll use these resources to explore ways that sustainable energy can be made relevant to community-based systems. Corporations have to pay hefty salaries to get engineers to design and build their systems; we're a team of retired/laid-off engineers who live here and do these things because they're fun and need doing, so we don't have to figure those personnel costs in either. Corporations have to hire welders, machinists and electricians to set up their systems; we have our own machine shop with six different types of welders, an induction foundry that can handle 200 pound castings, our own saw mill (and our own trees for that matter), and on and on . . . Are we a bunch of amateur tinkers? You bet, we are. We do this because we love the concepts, are fascinated by the technology and committed to finding ways to weave a renewable matrix that will provide a quality life. It's sort of like the need to distinguish between what one's going to have for dinner, and how one is going to manage their diet. You can get a McDonald's double-cheese burger for a buck a piece every day of the week, so why endure all the upfront cost involved in building a kitchen and learning to cook? Walt http://www.windward.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel]World population reduction, was Short-range hydrogen, was fire ants and Running on B100
Yes, but hydrogen is too noisy and violent. LOL Hakan At 11:11 PM 10/12/2004, you wrote: stumbling, air blockage, rough running, and stalling. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 What would happen if the return line was plugged and fuel could not get through ( or very little of it )? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 07:38 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running on B100 The return line should get rid of air in the system for you. air will either escape in the cylinder, or return to the tank. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives )
My circulating tank heaters pull 1kw (there are 500 and 800 watt models). My fuel filter pad heaters pull 68 watts. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Miles driven ( was fuel additives ) It has been getting cooler here and we have some nights down in the 60's I have noticed the 6.2 Blazer getting a good bit harder to start, and I am having to hold the glow plug relay in about a full minute. All summer it only took about 15 to 30 seconds. This morning I had to do it twice. It looks like I may start plugging it in soon to keep it warm. Anybody have an idea of how many watts these block heaters pull? Wondering if it might be better to put it on a timer that goes off right before daylight? Then it warms in an hour or two.? mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.773 / Virus Database: 520 - Release Date: 10/5/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie!
Yes, that's me. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Johnston, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:30 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Congratulations! was that you in the picture sitting on the engine? Don Johnston Environmental Coordinator , Portsmouth City Council Chair, Solent Energy and Environment Management Group Winner ; National Champion-Science and Technology, Green Apple Awards 2002 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 023 9283 4247 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Spence Sent: 12 October 2004 15:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie! engine coolant will heat DHW though a heat exchanger. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Are you just generating electricity or are you co-generating, using the waste heat from your diesel engine to heat your house getting more bang for the buck and saving even more energy. I don't know why more residential or commercial co-generation plants aren't used, especially in the northern climes. Ken --- Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VeggieGen is running Veggie! Sorta Tonight we fired up on 50/50 Kerosene and Waste Vegetable Oil. The Detroit Diesel is loving the mix and is purring like a kitten! Smells sweet. The details of our oil filtration system are coming shortly. Tomorrow the heat exchanger gets installed in the Veggie tank for V100 (100% Veggie). We also hope to get the muffler installed . See the full article at http://www.green-trust.org/wiki/index.php?title=Green-Trust_Heat_% 26_Power_System http://tinyurl.com/52a4v www.green-trust.org ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ** This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing, transmission or other error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or reply to this email. This e-mail may be monitored, read, recorded and retained by Portsmouth City Council. E-mail monitoring/blocking software may be used. ** ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 Cleaning action
We often get filter clogs the first time bio-d is used, which is why we install a sacrificial filter for the first few tank fills. Steve Spence http://www.green-trust.org - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: [Biofuel] B100 Cleaning action Does anyone have any clear information on fuel tanks being affected in the use of B100, as in any documented experiences where the BD has dislodged residues which has resulted in a clogging of tank or fuel filters ? Thanks. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel]World population reduction, was Short-rangehydrogen, was fire ants
Hakan, You have no argument from me on that point. I would much rather go to a little Mom Pop place that has real food, even if it is a few $ extra. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 15:01 Subject: Re: [Biofuel]World population reduction, was Short-rangehydrogen, was fire ants Greg, As WMD, Mac Donald's of the world are probably as effective as some of the methods we discussed against fire ants. Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
