RE: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I have some questions about the Acusorb beads. what kind of product do they make. If it is as the web site selling them tells it why use chemicals and other stuff. Is the end product as good a quality as the reaction method? I found three sights selling these products, all at different prices is there more? All were resellers so who really makes this stuff? The web site selling them says they are a good use in the reaction process. would you use filter and beads with WVO before reacting or after to filter and remove water of both? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Clark Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads Hello Andy, A freind of mine is puting in a new stove and has promised me his old one. I intend it for regenerating the beads I have. As soon as I can I will grab a hand full and see what happens at 400 F. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads Hi, Someone recently replied, I did a quick seach and it turned up this description of them: http://www.survivalunlimited.com/biodiesel.htm#techno It probably is a form of silica with the additional salts. If I'm not= mistaken industry refers to this as a molecular sieve. I doubt that these are zeolites, silica compounds, molecular sieves since they have to be regenerated at greater than 350F.. The description states that these beads turn black when heated over that. Could we ask Bill to take one and bake it at 400F and see if it turns black? Please Bill :) Andy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. Thank you. Metaldyne LLC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Here's a interesting summary for you. You are a free moral agent, the way you were created, whether or not you belive that, and you and you alone can make decisions that you will have to live with, no one else can make or push you into making. There are those of us here that are Christians, and, regardless of whether or not you like it, we are not ashamed of that belief, nor should we be. On the same side of the same coin there are also others here who do not adhere to the basic Christian belief system, and if the only example is the neo-con American style of it, it is most understandable, however that does not hinder us from conducting a useful and meaningful dialogue that brings us all closer in our chosen ventures. Most animosity that comes from an experience with someone in the Christian faith is that these same do not understand the devine principple of the Majesty of Choice and to simply live within the rhelm of those who have exercised that majesty letting things go at that. You don't believe what I do? So what, that is your right. It is also my right to believe it without denigration or condesention. I have much more issue with the neo-con so-called zionist christian than I do with someone who has, of his/her free will, chosen a religious (and everyone has one, it only remains to define what that form of worship is) avenue that is different to mine. i personally find more in common with true Islamic Muslims than I do with so-called American style neo-con so-called christian, however both groups have their problems with misinterpretation of what their respective Holy Books say. Some out of ignorance, others out of a pre-determined agenda. Be definition a phobia is : an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation - Webter's Dictionary. I do not have a phobia about homosexuallity, I merely believe that it is repulsive. I do not fear it, I disdain it, there is a difference. Spiders are another matter, I am arachnaphobic, to a point :-) Move too fast, too often, creepy ... and in Australia HUGE ! Homosexuals, just like the rest of humanity, have utilised their God-given (yes, in the way I see it) Majesty of Choice and have adopted that way of life. Whatever. Fine, just don't expect me to adhere to it, encourage it, agree to it ect. It repulses me, simple, but then that is me and I have exercised my own Majesty of Choice to get there. Do I refuse to have conversations with people I know are homosexual ? No. I said it before, I am in no phobia/fear of their choices.I do not have to answer for it, I answer for myself, as do we all. There is no group accountability, there is only individual responsibility. And the same is said of any position in life. You choose to commit sin, you answer for it. Almost every legal system in the world opperates on this principle, to a differing success rate. All that to say this; you and you alone are responsible for the choices you make, no one else. Luc - Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge Robert, Robert Luis Rabello wrote: Who is trying to proselytize you, sir? I've not read a single message in this forum urging you to repent of your sins, or repudiate your atheism. Perhaps that's what you believe we're trying to do; further illustrating my point that reality absolutely depends on the perspective of the individual. This is interesting. I think that this is what really gets me about Christianity in general is the feeling that I am being pushed to repent for something that I do not believe to be sinful. as you point out here it is often the case that I am not being pushed into anything. I also frequently feel like I am being judged for my beliefs, (this man is a mirror) probably as I judge others I presume they must also judge me. there are a few other details though that I can't let fly, but they are not indemic to Christianity (homophobia and other forms of intolerance are an example) but are frequent symptoms so one tends to form an association. probably not fair, I apologize for pigeonholing. With respect to the John Guttridge article, why is this the john guttridge article? I didn't write it, someone misinterpreted my comments about hypocrisy. whatever :) my belief in God inspires a sense of stewardship over his creation. This is what motivates my interest in environmental causes, and it's perfectly acceptable that you don't agree with my understanding. You and I can arrive at the same conclusion from different points of view; a strengthening influence for both of us. I have to say that having a respectful conversation with someone who you disagree strongly with can be trying at times. the problem is that when the egos start to get involved people stop
Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Hello Keith, I used the words of the same author that Bob Allen and Hakan used to have their say with me! Gosh, I guess that it can get out of hand so quickly! I wasn't demeaning the list but, it seems to me that you and several others have taken great offense. Just as I had by Mr. Guttridge's comment! Was this enough ? Sincerly, Kim - Original Message Follows - Hello Kim Hmm... Keith, I'm sorry to see that you take my response using jk gasbag at his word ! You said it. I'm just wondering if you in turn have written to others about the continued rundown of anyone who has a basic belief in GOD JESUS, United States of America Etc ? Huh? What are you talking about? My message to you was about your sneering at the freedom of discussion on this list, nothing else, it's not possible to read anything else into it because nothing else is there. Yet that is what you've done. I think you have a problem. This is what I said to you - it's below, though you cut it: I reinstated it, but I think I'd better put it above too: Bob Hakan, Much literary criticism comes from people for whom extreme specialization is a cover for either grave cerebal inadequacy or terminal laziness, the latter being a much cherished aspect of academic freedom. JKG Thanks for your reply, Kim What's that supposed to mean, Kim? There is freedom of discussion at this list, it's something that has been established, built and maintained over five years, and many of us set great store by it. Are you saying that it's just terminal laziness, a cherished aspect of academic freedom??? Because that it sure as hell isn't, other than cherished perhaps. There's nothing merely academic about it, and it's the very opposite of laziness - it's rigorous, as it has to be else it would quickly succumb to the lowest common denominator, which has happened elsewhere, but not here. Kindly explain yourself. Hakan had said this: Since we many times enjoyed the freedom of discussion, I guess that we have to accept this kind of voodoo also. And you sneered at it. That's what my message to you was about, and that's ALL it was about. It has NOTHING to do with your continued rundown of anyone who has a basic belief in GOD JESUS, United States of America, etc, which is in the eye of the beholder and nowhere else - not in my message to you and certainly not in the archives. Dave Shaw is an American, and he just wrote this: Thank you Keith for reassuring all that we are welcome. I have certainly been guilty of reacting to statements that I read as anti-American, only to reread the further and find that the statement was of different intent. It was I who was reading anti-American sentiments. How funny. This is another important lesson that has been learned over the years, and I largely credit this list for speeding up that learning process. I've just written this: I don't think the system in the US is a good reflection of who you are as a people, you're much better than your system, and I think most people sense that in differentiating between Americans and Washington. And this, the day before: Still, as I've said here a few times before, despite various foolish accusations of America-bashing and America hating (baseless slander), I still look to Americans to lead the way in countering this, and to take their country back. I'm sure I'm not alone here in thinking this way. Many of the most tireless and effective campaigners are indeed Americans, in this as in many other most pressing issues challenging the world today. In spite of everything, it's MUCH too soon to write them off as a lost cause. Washington, now... well, that's another matter. If you can't see the difference, that's your problem (another one). There is no America-bashing here. There is CERTAINLY no Jesus-bashing here! Good grief! When I arrived here I was under the auspice that I was fortunate enough to find a forum that won't have the typical retrograde stances that you state that this forum shouldn't have. My first day here I was treated to some amazing bashing of America ! Nonsense. See the quote from Dave Shaw again: he can see it, you can't. Why are you being blind? Shouldn't you ask yourself that? I know that my country is a mess (look at my first posting about fuel and look at my opinion about the leadership)! Unless I'm much mistaken, your first post here was about a Briquette press, your second was about Luc's processor, and your third about abortions. SO GET OVER IT AND LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSTED TO BE !? Uh, you mean What's all this off-topic political crap got to do with biofuels? LOL! Please see these previous messages (there are others), and refer to the links posted there: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/36185/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/36920/ Also see the List rules
[Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
This is written in a Christian perspective, please delete if not interested. Probably the most annoying thing about those who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus is the extreme narrow mindedness they portray. It is not anoyying to me because I don't have a problem identifying it, however with others it can be much more than that. When questioning the correctedness of the right to life issue in a biofuels forum it demonstrates a certain lack of understanding in the universality of it, the forum that is. No one of a right mind questions the right to the happiness and pursuit of life for people everywhere, however does this right to the pursuit of life stop at unjustified wars ? I happen to agree that life is sacrosanct (most sacred or holy :inviolable - Webter's) and I also believe that that life extends to the womb, however that is my position, founded upon my belief system, not shared by all. And that is where the rub comes. I do not rule over the souls and minds of men, that task has been left open to The Majesty of Choice. Whether or not I agree with someone's choices is of it's utmost irrelevant. I can, however, make my own decisions based upon my own exercise of that Majesty of Choice. I do not have a right to push my beliefs upon others, however I do have the right to hold to what I do believe is right and wrong for my own life without being pressured or pushed away from it. Did Jesus always follow the status quo ? Quite the contrary. Where can you find, other than when chidding the religious hypocrites of the day, an example of Him ever condeming people for the decisions they made ? You won't. Did He insist that everyone follow Him and do it the same way? Again, quite the contrary, He even told some to return home and not follow Him. No condemnation infered or implied or overtly expressed. So-called christians, especially those of the neo-con pursuasion, are so incredibly self-righteous that they have forgotten Christ's admonition of not tryin to pluck a sliver out of someone's eye when there is a beam in their own. There are no perfectly sinless humans on this planet, this the Bible teaches, but is discarded by the aforementioned too easily. Why should Christians get involved with biofuels in a big way ? Simple, it is caring for a trusted guardianship (our planet)that has been given to us, not unlike caring for your body as a holy temple. Are the two related ? Absolutely ! What is the earmark that should identify Christians to others ? Jesus said it is the spirit of love. Don't see that too often eh? Not in the neo-con so-called christian zionists in any case. War, division, hate for your neighbour, kill his children in their beds. Sound Christian to you? Do some people chose to end life at it's beginning ? Yes they do. That is their decision, it does not mean that you have to adhere to it, support it, or condone it in your life, however if God has so specifically limited Himself to not interfere with the Majesty of Choice that people exercise, who are you or I to do it? Wouldn't that be akin to ussurping God's authority ? As for America. It's people are vast and far stretched, and of many pursuasions, but none can justify what has been and continues to be done in their names by a zionist controlled government and media who's allegiance is more to a foreign nation than to their own. There is no collectivity called America, contrary to what you have been taught to believe. Individuals will be held accountable for thier own actions, not a global or collective thing at all. The people governing the United States are NOT led by any sort of Christian belief, as is proven by Christ's actual words as recorded in the New Testament. The media and others, including apostate preachers say otherswise, and they will answer for thier lies, but not at my hand. Christians do not slaughter babies and innocents, final. The United States has decended into a pit of iniquity that it will not soon come out of and risks dragging the world into it's destructive delusions in it's quest for world oil domination. It's sick and needs to be exposed as such. Luc . ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Luc, Thanks for the much appreciated words. Kim - Original Message Follows - G'day Kim; This is written in a Christian perspective, please delete if not interested. Probably the most annoying thing about those who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus is the extreme narrow mindedness they portray. It is not anoyying to me because I don't have a problem identifying it, however with others it can be much more than that. When questioning the correctedness of the right to life issue in a biofuels forum it demonstrates a certain lack of understanding in the universality of it, the forum that is. No one of a right mind questions the right to the happiness and pursuit of life for people everywhere, however does this right to the pursuit of life stop at unjustified wars ? I happen to agree that life is sacrosanct (most sacred or holy :inviolable - Webter's) and I also believe that that life extends to the womb, however that is my position, founded upon my belief system, not shared by all. And that is where the rub comes. I do not rule over the souls and minds of men, that task has been left open to The Majesty of Choice. Whether or not I agree with someone's choices is of it's utmost irrelevant. I can, however, make my own decisions based upon my own exercise of that Majesty of Choice. I do not have a right to push my beliefs upon others, however I do have the right to hold to what I do believe is right and wrong for my own life without being pressured or pushed away from it. Did Jesus always follow the status quo ? Quite the contrary. Where can you find, other than when chidding the religious hypocrites of the day, an example of Him ever condeming people for the decisions they made ? You won't. Did He insist that everyone follow Him and do it the same way? Again, quite the contrary, He even told some to return home and not follow Him. No condemnation infered or implied or overtly expressed. So-called christians, especially those of the neo-con pursuasion, are so incredibly self-righteous that they have forgotten Christ's admonition of not tryin to pluck a sliver out of someone's eye when there is a beam in their own. There are no perfectly sinless humans on this planet, this the Bible teaches, but is discarded by the aforementioned too easily. Why should Christians get involved with biofuels in a big way ? Simple, it is caring for a trusted guardianship (our planet)that has been given to us, not unlike caring for your body as a holy temple. Are the two related ? Absolutely ! What is the earmark that should identify Christians to others ? Jesus said it is the spirit of love. Don't see that too often eh? Not in the neo-con so-called christian zionists in any case. War, division, hate for your neighbour, kill his children in their beds. Sound Christian to you? Do some people chose to end life at it's beginning ? Yes they do. That is their decision, it does not mean that you have to adhere to it, support it, or condone it in your life, however if God has so specifically limited Himself to not interfere with the Majesty of Choice that people exercise, who are you or I to do it? Wouldn't that be akin to ussurping God's authority ? As for America. It's people are vast and far stretched, and of many pursuasions, but none can justify what has been and continues to be done in their names by a zionist controlled government and media who's allegiance is more to a foreign nation than to their own. There is no collectivity called America, contrary to what you have been taught to believe. Individuals will be held accountable for thier own actions, not a global or collective thing at all. The people governing the United States are NOT led by any sort of Christian belief, as is proven by Christ's actual words as recorded in the New Testament. The media and others, including apostate preachers say otherswise, and they will answer for thier lies, but not at my hand. Christians do not slaughter babies and innocents, final. The United States has decended into a pit of iniquity that it will not soon come out of and risks dragging the world into it's destructive delusions in it's quest for world oil domination. It's sick and needs to be exposed as such. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] intern looking for an internship
A good place to start would be any local co-ops, perhpas university projects. Luc - Original Message - From: angie kubalek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] intern looking for an internship HI everybody, So I was wondering if anybody can help pass along info on groups or individuals who would be willing to take on an intern interested in learning the good and greasies of biodiesel. I am a natural science major and would really like to study the chemistry of biodiesel, as well as production, an outreach. Doesn't that sound like an awesome internship. I would bring lots of energy and encouragement to the right group. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks, Angie __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page - Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Not a whole lot about what has been said about the US cannot also be said about Britain right now. A country, led by the nose by a zionist cabal, thumbing it's nose at it's populace and risking following the US into a global catastrophe, statrting with Iran. Hoon is such a lovely liar, now just like before he galantly sent Britich soldiers to die for oil conquest in Iraq.The more they deny the more you know they're going to do it. Luc - Original Message - From: Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day Democracies throughout the world vary wildly with how each country defines it. You mean like here in the UK where a party that only got 35% of the votes cast gets given 65% of the seats in the parliament. That's British democracy in action. Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 01/02/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] 95 Dodge Cummings
content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 To All, I recently purchased a 95 dodge with a Cummings diesel. I am searching for a source of Biodiesel as we speak. The truck has 250,000 miles on it. I thing the tank will be crudded up and I will get plugged filters when I start Biodiesel usage. Does anyone know where I can but fuel filters at a reasonable cost? Any other helpful hints. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. Thank you. Metaldyne LLC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Hi Kim and Luc ; Yes Luc very well said. Did Jesus always follow the status quo ? Quite the contrary. Where can you find, other than when chidding the religious hypocrites of the day, an example of Him ever condeming people for the decisions they made ? You won't. Did He insist that everyone follow Him and do it the same way? Again, quite the contrary, He even told some to return home and not follow Him. No condemnation infered or implied or overtly expressed. Yes, very true, but much more than that. He made his triumphant march into Jerusalem on a donkey! Why didn't He at least get a chariot or something? Answer : because the material things in this life are not important in the grand scheme. When I watched Mel Gibson's movie I was awestruck at His TOTAL surrender. I mean He could have done a simple thing like put His hands up and take off the Crown of Thorns. But He didn't. Not one ounce of resistance at all. Total surrender. Why didn't He come down off that cross and kick some serious butt? He had the power to, after all. Why didn't He? The answer is that He was showing us the model which we should strive to follow. Why does He want people who can be wronged and not retaliate? Asnwer: because IF you are worthy to receive eternal life, you will have great powers to do pretty much whatever you like. What would Heaven be like if everyone was fighting? It would be total chaos! He NEEDS people who won't retaliate. It is the only way to keep peace. I would go further and say that the degree to which you can be wronged and not retaliate will decide your level in Heaven. Jesus took the unlitmate wrong and did not retaliate, therefore He will be the Most High. The closer you can come to His example, the more power you will be given. It's what I would do if I were Him. Christians do not slaughter babies and innocents, final. True Christians do not slaughter anyone, evil or good or innocent or not. I don't say this is easy, or even that I could do it, only that it is true. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Hi Luc ; there are a few other details though that I can't let fly, but they are not indemic to Christianity (homophobia and other forms of intolerance are an example) What amazes me is how intolerant the people preaching tolerance are to anyone who is intolerant. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Luc, I like what you say, but have only one major point to make. Christian Zionists cannot exist, because the basic common elements of faith are not there. Christians are those that belive that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was here on earth 2005 years ago, Zionists are those who still are waiting for him to come. Zionists and Muslims have more in common, than Zionists and Christians. It is the same God between all of them, the real problem is if Jesus was here or not. For this difference, the children of God are prepared to kill each other, even the ones who doesn't have a clue of what the differences are. Hakan At 01:52 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: G'day Kim; This is written in a Christian perspective, please delete if not interested. Probably the most annoying thing about those who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus is the extreme narrow mindedness they portray. It is not anoyying to me because I don't have a problem identifying it, however with others it can be much more than that. When questioning the correctedness of the right to life issue in a biofuels forum it demonstrates a certain lack of understanding in the universality of it, the forum that is. No one of a right mind questions the right to the happiness and pursuit of life for people everywhere, however does this right to the pursuit of life stop at unjustified wars ? I happen to agree that life is sacrosanct (most sacred or holy :inviolable - Webter's) and I also believe that that life extends to the womb, however that is my position, founded upon my belief system, not shared by all. And that is where the rub comes. I do not rule over the souls and minds of men, that task has been left open to The Majesty of Choice. Whether or not I agree with someone's choices is of it's utmost irrelevant. I can, however, make my own decisions based upon my own exercise of that Majesty of Choice. I do not have a right to push my beliefs upon others, however I do have the right to hold to what I do believe is right and wrong for my own life without being pressured or pushed away from it. Did Jesus always follow the status quo ? Quite the contrary. Where can you find, other than when chidding the religious hypocrites of the day, an example of Him ever condeming people for the decisions they made ? You won't. Did He insist that everyone follow Him and do it the same way? Again, quite the contrary, He even told some to return home and not follow Him. No condemnation infered or implied or overtly expressed. So-called christians, especially those of the neo-con pursuasion, are so incredibly self-righteous that they have forgotten Christ's admonition of not tryin to pluck a sliver out of someone's eye when there is a beam in their own. There are no perfectly sinless humans on this planet, this the Bible teaches, but is discarded by the aforementioned too easily. Why should Christians get involved with biofuels in a big way ? Simple, it is caring for a trusted guardianship (our planet)that has been given to us, not unlike caring for your body as a holy temple. Are the two related ? Absolutely ! What is the earmark that should identify Christians to others ? Jesus said it is the spirit of love. Don't see that too often eh? Not in the neo-con so-called christian zionists in any case. War, division, hate for your neighbour, kill his children in their beds. Sound Christian to you? Do some people chose to end life at it's beginning ? Yes they do. That is their decision, it does not mean that you have to adhere to it, support it, or condone it in your life, however if God has so specifically limited Himself to not interfere with the Majesty of Choice that people exercise, who are you or I to do it? Wouldn't that be akin to ussurping God's authority ? As for America. It's people are vast and far stretched, and of many pursuasions, but none can justify what has been and continues to be done in their names by a zionist controlled government and media who's allegiance is more to a foreign nation than to their own. There is no collectivity called America, contrary to what you have been taught to believe. Individuals will be held accountable for thier own actions, not a global or collective thing at all. The people governing the United States are NOT led by any sort of Christian belief, as is proven by Christ's actual words as recorded in the New Testament. The media and others, including apostate preachers say otherswise, and they will answer for thier lies, but not at my hand. Christians do not slaughter babies and innocents, final. The United States has decended into a pit of iniquity that it will not soon come out of and risks dragging the world into it's destructive delusions in it's quest for world oil domination. It's sick and needs to be exposed as such. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] intern looking for an internship
We are taking intern applications for this summer: http://www.attrainternships.ncat.org/internDetail2.asp?id=639 or similar info is available here: http://biofuels.coop/help.php Let us know if you are interested. -Rachel www.biofuels.coop On Feb 3, 2005, at 8:07 PM, Legal Eagle wrote: G'day Angie; A good place to start would be any local co-ops, perhpas university projects. Luc - Original Message - From: angie kubalek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] intern looking for an internship HI everybody, So I was wondering if anybody can help pass along info on groups or individuals who would be willing to take on an intern interested in learning the good and greasies of biodiesel. I am a natural science major and would really like to study the chemistry of biodiesel, as well as production, an outreach. Doesn't that sound like an awesome internship. I would bring lots of energy and encouragement to the right group. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks, Angie __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page - Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Ooops, Peter, This is a circular argument in, as many says i US, a Catch 22 situation. LOL Hakan At 03:08 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: Hi Luc ; there are a few other details though that I can't let fly, but they are not indemic to Christianity (homophobia and other forms of intolerance are an example) What amazes me is how intolerant the people preaching tolerance are to anyone who is intolerant. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Just kidding. It's only the clique phrase get over it that's become so synonymous with republicans and their myopias that might give any hint as to what cloth you're persuasion is cut from. Well, that and the excessive use of caps in proper names. That should be God with one cap and Jesus with another. Either the cap lock on your keyboard got stuck or you're screaming. FYI, some of us who once thumped the bible heavily have found that the best use for it these days is to thump (to be read whallup hard) on the heads of those who would try and cram their beliefs down the throats of others. I don't remember the chapter or verse where Jesus accosted anyone with the intent to force feed them until they either aspirated or capitulated. As for US of A bashing? Some of us are just sick and tired of seeing a country (supposedly our country) stumble around arrogantly while its trousers are wrapped around its ankles. You'd think that even a republican leadership (said with tongue in cheek) would know that. Then again, I guess not. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge Keith, I'm sorry to see that you take my response using jk gasbag at his word ! I'm just wondering if you in turn have written to others about the continued rundown of anyone who has a basic belief in GOD JESUS, United States of America Etc ? When I arrived here I was under the auspice that I was fortunate enough to find a forum that won't have the typical retrograde stances that you state that this forum shouldn't have. My first day here I was treated to some amazing bashing of America ! I know that my country is a mess (look at my first posting about fuel and look at my opinion about the leadership)! SO GET OVER IT AND LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSTED TO BE !? When I gave you my interest in this forum I thought that you stated that it would be really good to stick to the biofuel interests in the forum perimeters ? I can go to hundreds of websites that are great to vent whatever ! But, I won't sit by anymore and let people throw out platant all encompassing trash about something (right to life) that didn't need to be here. If this is unacceptable to you and the rest of the forum than I apologize(I apologize if it is acceptable or not) for my having the nerve to write my feelings. Thank you for your time and consideration, Kim Wilde someone who uses my delete button constantly. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Luc,
I like what you say, but have only one major point to make. Christian
Zionists cannot exist, because the basic common elements of faith are not
there.
The term christian zionist is commonly used when refering to the American
version of so-called christians who blindly support anything the zionists do
under the false impression that it falls into line with Scripture, and of
course, the two combined is indeed an impossibility as one's agenda is
opposite from that of the other but in order to better confuse they are
termed that way.
Judas Iscariot was called an apostle but that didn't stop him from being a
mercenary traitor did it? Actions far outweigh rhetoric and titles, just as
those termed christian zionist are maybe the later but are absolutely not
the former.
Christians are those that belive that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was
here on earth 2005 years ago, Zionists are those who still are waiting for
him to come.
I think you have Zionists and Talmudists confused, thing they have
worked very hard to obfuscate. They are not necesarily the same. Zionism is
political, Talmudism is religious.
Zionists and Muslims have more in common, than Zionists and Christians.
Other way around.Both the Bible and the Koran accept Christ as a great
prophet whereas Talmud puts Him in totally different light (figuratively
speaking, it actually has Him quite dark).When I speak Talmud I am refering
to the Babylonian Talmud Soncino Edition, not the Jerusalem Talmud used for
public consumption purposes.
It is the same God between all of them, the real problem is if Jesus was
here or not.
Actually they all acknowledge that Jesus was here, it is just that two of
them portay Him in a positive light and the other as something altogether
unmentionable in polite company.
For this difference, the children of God are prepared to kill each other,
even the ones who doesn't have a clue of what the differences are.
Ah, yes, here also it gets muddled. Children of God. One has it defined in
racial terms, so that would make God a racist. The other has it open to all
but a spiritual thing of the heart, often times misunderstood. The last does
not acknowledge such a thing as a posibility of existing. Servants yes,
children? No.
And then there is the game of politics that gets thrown in so that if the
waters weren't sooted already they are now to anyone trying to make heads or
tails out of the intentional mess that has been created. Kicking the ball
through the goal posts are the neo-con so-called christians denying the very
teachings they profess adhering to.
Luc
Hakan
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[Biofuel] Backroom Tussling Over Biodiesel
backyarders' and co-ops' small-scale production plans, however. http://wired.com/news/technology/0%2C1282%2C66455-2%2C00.html?tw=wn_story_page_next1 Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Luc,
You are right, the Christians and Muslims are probably closer. To be
honest, I did not think it trough, probably because I do not really care
and am quite tired on the whole thing. All the religious books (or
teachings) were good the past, since they functioned in a way to give a
fairly good behavioral and medical environment. Except from around 800 to
quite recent times, when the importance of keeping your soul instead of
body clean, caused quite serious and deadly periods of deceases.
Hakan
At 04:01 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote:
G'day Hakan;
- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Luc,
I like what you say, but have only one major point to make. Christian
Zionists cannot exist, because the basic common elements of faith are not
there.
The term christian zionist is commonly used when refering to the
American version of so-called christians who blindly support anything the
zionists do under the false impression that it falls into line with
Scripture, and of course, the two combined is indeed an impossibility as
one's agenda is opposite from that of the other but in order to better
confuse they are termed that way.
Judas Iscariot was called an apostle but that didn't stop him from being
a mercenary traitor did it? Actions far outweigh rhetoric and titles, just
as those termed christian zionist are maybe the later but are absolutely
not the former.
Christians are those that belive that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was
here on earth 2005 years ago, Zionists are those who still are waiting
for him to come.
I think you have Zionists and Talmudists confused, thing they have
worked very hard to obfuscate. They are not necesarily the same. Zionism
is political, Talmudism is religious.
Zionists and Muslims have more in common, than Zionists and Christians.
Other way around.Both the Bible and the Koran accept Christ as a great
prophet whereas Talmud puts Him in totally different light (figuratively
speaking, it actually has Him quite dark).When I speak Talmud I am
refering to the Babylonian Talmud Soncino Edition, not the Jerusalem
Talmud used for public consumption purposes.
It is the same God between all of them, the real problem is if Jesus was
here or not.
Actually they all acknowledge that Jesus was here, it is just that two of
them portay Him in a positive light and the other as something altogether
unmentionable in polite company.
For this difference, the children of God are prepared to kill each other,
even the ones who doesn't have a clue of what the differences are.
Ah, yes, here also it gets muddled. Children of God. One has it defined
in racial terms, so that would make God a racist. The other has it open to
all but a spiritual thing of the heart, often times misunderstood. The
last does not acknowledge such a thing as a posibility of existing.
Servants yes, children? No.
And then there is the game of politics that gets thrown in so that if the
waters weren't sooted already they are now to anyone trying to make heads
or tails out of the intentional mess that has been created. Kicking the
ball through the goal posts are the neo-con so-called christians denying
the very teachings they profess adhering to.
Luc
Hakan
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Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
The heritage splits at Ishmael an Isaac. This is where it gets tricky. And please understand that BOTH the descendants of Ishmael and Isaac are BLESSED. But they are two distinct blessings and some would say that the blessing placed on ishmael was more like a curse. The promise was given to Abraham :your descendants will be as numerous as the stars in the sky: That promise was fullfilled in Isaac not Ishmael. Ishmael Was the son of Hagar, the slave of sarai Abram's wife and therefore was Illegitimate and not a true son. This is what the Angel of the Lord spoke over Ishmael Genesis 16:11 The angel of the LORD also said to her: You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers. In Genesis 22:2 The Lord Called Isaac Abraham's only son further confirming Ishmaels Illegitimacy Abraham loved Ishmael and pleaded with God to bless Ishmael also. The Lord said to him In Genesis 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Hi Keith, I hate to be a buttinsky here on what is really a non-issue in this thread. Driven however by the sage advice, indeed wisdom, handed down by a certain group of sub-editors, yourself included, in a golden age of journalism I must add a mild comment. Among those pearls scattered so liberally for the benefit of the common herd in the reporters pen was one constant refrain: Check your sources. To the issue: the now cliched phrase about fooling some of the people some of the time etc has been attributed variously to Abe Lincoln and Phineas Barnum. Winston Churchill might well have mouthed it but it was certainly around long before Hitler made him famous. Best wishes, Bob. PS: should add I've been following the discussion with great delight. . - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day (snip) What was I saying about Churchill? ... what I tend to think of as Churchill's critical threshold level, when he mouthed that nonsense that you can fool some of the people all of the time and you can fool all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - while knowing very well that there's absolutely no need to fool all of them all of the time just as long as you can fool enough of them enough of the time. Which all our governments succeed in doing. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Corporate biofuel is a reality
UK: January 19, 2005 LONDON - Britain's newest biodiesel plant, capable of turning recycled cooking oil and animal fats into fuel for cars, is due onstream in Scotland this spring, boosting output of the green fuel by up to 35,000 tonnes a year. Its privately-held owner, Argent Energy, said the 15 million-pound ($28 millon) facility was already warming up. We've just started commissioning...there may be other plants in construction at the moment, but when this comes online -- which we hope will be mid-April or May -- it will be the largest in Britain, the firm's joint managing director Andy Hunter told Reuters on Tuesday. It will be larger than the total capacity of the rest of the UK for processing saturated fats into a quality diesel fuel and the largest of its kind in the world. The London-based company said it is in talks with a number of transport companies interested in using the fuel. The plant near Motherwell in Scotland is expected to be up and running a few months before green fuel start-up Biofuels Corp. brings its giant 250,000-tonne facility at Teesside in northeast England into use. When our plant comes online, we will effectively increase total UK capacity somewhere between four- and five-fold. Obviously, with Biofuels Corp. coming on, we should see another dramatic rise, Hunter said. In 2004, Britain produced only 10,000 tonnes of biodiesel. Biodiesel can be made from a range of vegetable oils including rapeseed, soy, sunflower and palm, but it can also be derived from animal fats, grease and tallow. It is seen as an environmentally-friendly alternative or addition to regular diesel. EU TARGETS SPUR INTEREST Argent Energy said European Union targets on biofuel had helped help spur interest in the sector. If one looks at the moves both politically and economically throughout the whole of Europe, there's been a significant shift towards biofuels, the firm said. As part of a range of measures drawn up in response to international agreements to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the EU is keen to see biofuel account for two percent of all fuel sales in 2005, rising to 5.75 percent by 2010. The reduction in the UK duty level on biodiesel by 20 pence per litre in April 2002 has also encouraged the firm and further expansion is on the cards. As soon as this Scottish plant is working and proven, we would look to build at least two more plants of similar size in the UK and we would expect those to come online over the next two-and-a-half to three years, Hunter said. Earlier this month, UK renewable fuel maker Greenergy said it has submitted plans to build a 200,000-tonne per year biodiesel plant on England's east coast, with a view to bringing it onstream by mid-next year. The Motherwell plant is expected to meet five percent of Scotland's diesel needs. (US$1=0.5345 British Pounds) Story by David Cullen REUTERS NEWS SERVICE ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] very dark biodiesel
hello! again! i finally got the wvo to react it formed three layers.. glycerin , soapy gel, and methyl esters on top.. but the top layer is very dark.. as dark as the glycerin .. it is very hard to tell the difference.. after washing it does get a little bit lighter couloured.. but,, it still is very dark.. is this dark biodiesel usable? best anibal ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Are you sure this is what they advocate violence over? Some of them (VERY close friends of the US) do so as a penalty in their own countries, but that's not what you're talking of. Bin Laden has been very clear about this, so have many others. I don't believe they're motivated by what Westerners do in the West. Primarily they wanted US troops out of Saudi Arabia, and they objected to US support for Israel. Our foreign policy feeds from the well of our culture. I have a couple of Arabic friends (a Palestinian and a Lebanese) who complain that decadence in our society, especially consumerism and the weird depravity of fundamentalist Christianity, drives the exporting of violence overseas and perpetuates misery among oppressed people. Admittedly, this idea derives from a small sampling, and perhaps I should be careful not to broadly characterize a region on the basis of such limited contact. However, these are intelligent men whom I have come to trust and I've formed the basis of my view in light of their counsel. If I am in error in thinking this way, please enlighten me. Again, it's foreign policy, not domestic cultural issues. This smacks rather too strongly of the They hate us for our freedoms nonsense. I concede the point, Keith. I should have thought of that more carefully. The finest hour I have ever witnessed in my life as an American occurred shortly after the 11 September atrocities. I know that I've written this before, but the sight of a Virginia State Trooper parked outside a mosque to protect its worshippers underscores the value of plurality in American society. The same courtesy would not likely be extended to a Christian church in Algeria, Libya, Syria and many other countries. Are you quite sure about that Robert? No. What are you saying, that they're all fundamentalists, that their governments and authorities are fundamentalist? No, that isn't what I was trying to communicate. Tolerance for the diversity of religious practice in my country, at least at an official level, is quite high. Is this true in Libya? Can the same be said in Algeria? I've never been to these places and perhaps my cultural bias is showing. If you have evidence to the contrary, even if it's anecdotal, I would appreciate hearing of it. And that finest hour in the US hasn't had a very wonderful follow-up, has it? Ask Cat Stevens, for one of far too many instances. Again, no. We've really burned up our credibility with the rest of the world, haven't we? What disturbs me about that is the grim fact that so many of my fellow citizens don't really care. That is God's problem, not yours, not mine, and certainly not theirs! We will go as it has been written about us, without the assistance of radical Islamists. That might ring a little more true if you'd added: ... or Christian fundamentalists. I'm not writing clearly, else you would understand. We Americans will be the cause of our eventual demise. Our fiery end will not be instigated by radical Islamists; the responsibility will be lain squarely at our own feet. Decadence is part of our problem, and the iron fisted backlash of the NeoCons and their ilk are merely the another face of the same die. One of my sisters phoned me tonight in tears over this issue. She's so disgusted by what's going on that she wants to move to Europe. No one could successfully accuse her of being a Christian, she's certainly NOT a fundamentalist of any kind, but she's as American as anyone else born in my country. Many of us are absolutely sickened by what we're experiencing over here. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Hi Robert ; You know this is such a fascinating thread for me, and please believe me there is no offence intended for anyone, because I ponder this subject and consider the possiblity that I could be wrong or mis-informed. We exchange ideas; it's part of learning and growing. It's ok to be wrong, or mis-informed. That kind of thing happens to me all the time! First, I would say that it is not really fair to compare western moderates to Islamic fundamentalists. Was I doing that? Grief! When Jesus was on the earth HE never said C'mon let's FIGHT those sinners, and He never said C'mon we need to pass laws and lock them up. Why not? The answer is people must do the right thing of their own accord, and anything less is an illusion. Jesus would be locked up by the fundamentalists for being soft on sin! The finest hour I have ever witnessed in my life as an American occurred shortly after the 11 September atrocities. I know that I've written this before, but the sight of a Virginia State Trooper parked outside a mosque to protect its worshippers underscores the value of plurality in American society. But isn't this a good example of changing behavior at the barrel of a gun? No. I'm writing about the rule of law. Islam and other religions remain equal under American law, and that is something noble; an egalitarian principle I wholeheartedly support. I felt very angry that day, but even in my ugliest mood I would never have thought to harm a mosque or the worshippers therein; that would be unAmerican. Not everyone sees this my way, and therefore, that Virginia State Trooper served as a deterrent. There were scattered incidents of abuses toward people of differing religions in the days and weeks that followed, illustrating the need for that Virginia police officer's posting. Most of us, however, were appalled at any backlash Muslims (and mistakenly, Sikhs) endured. And aren't we doing the same thing in Iraq and the average voter approves? Is depleted uranium a good way to spread democracy? Is this the moderate western perspective? Sorry to say, we are the Great Satan they call us. We are the nation described in Revelation 13. (How appropriate!) We have two horns like a lamb, but we speak like a dragon. We look Christian, but we are not. Most people outside the United States can understand this. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Hello Robert, Ken This is robert's remark: I have a problem when the term Christian Fundamentalist is used to describe the racist, book - burning and intolerant zealots who behave in a manner utterly contrary to the clear teachings of social justice found in the scriptures; To which Keith replied: I believe all true Christians probably have a problem with that, and not only Christians - it seems that when it comes to religion, when people claim it's fundamentalist, the one thing it doesn't have much to do with is the fundamentals! Yes, like love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, and do not repay evil with evil, but overcome evil with good. True fundamental religion is deeply concerned about social justice and elevating humanity. On this, we agree. - perhaps arrogance? Pride has it's place, it's not necessarily negative: pride in a good job well done, for instance. It can be little different to self-respect. But wouldn't the pride that comes before a fall be more arrogance than pride? After all, you can say, Have you no pride? or you can say, Have you no shame? and it means exactly the same thing. Not so with arrogance, though: arrogance carries the silent prefix empty - it always protests too loudly, it's nothing more than insecurity, and in so much it's probably well-founded. The Greeks used the word hubris in describing the condition to which I refer. English is not my first language, and sometimes the nuance of expression eludes me. ... doesn't that perhaps suggest that what's stirred in you is worth something more deserving and, indeed, more noble than just a country, than any country can be? Wouldn't this noble feeling always find a mere nation wanting? Maybe you should keep the feeling and find more worthy symbols to summon it with, rather than these nationalistic trappings. Ah, but I am very much a product of the culture in which I was raised. I know in an intellectual manner that a colorful rag means nothing (though it can serve quite nicely as a god), but the ideas behind the symbol stir my heart. Who wouldn't find liberty, equality, justice and freedom of religion concepts worthy of utmost respect? These are supposed to be the undergirding principles upon which our nation was founded, and it may be difficult for foreigners to grasp how profoundly these ideas are impressed upon us from a very young age. We are taught to believe that America stands for these principles, and to define ourselves as Americans with these ideals. I learned the extent of my conditioning when I moved to Canada, discovering that people up here often define themselves in terms of what is NOT American, rather than what IS Canadian. (Luc and Ed, does this ring true?) You often contrast America, the government, from America, its people. I simply cannot see the distinction, though I remain firmly opposed to our policies and the misery they spread across the globe. Hakan is disconcertingly right about this. But it's not just the dispensationalist eschatology, it's their weird alliances with the neo-cons, recycled Reaganists and Straussians. It's remarkable that such mismatched alliances can hold together for so long (if they are). They are all merely different shades of the same color, Keith. The root of their perspective lies in the view that our world is a hostile place, and that only a firm and moral hand can navigate the nation through it. (This is why Mr. Bush won the election, according to the news media.) Dispensationalism is pabulum fed to the masses in church on Sunday; too confusing to be understood, too bizarre to be believed by anyone with a critical mind. Its companion thought control corporate spin spews like sewage from Fox, CNN and right wing talk radio. This, coupled with relentless advertising, builds a culture overwhelmed with information; much of it outright deception. It's all orchestrated and manipulated by people who see the world as a hostile environment. They tell us, without respite, that we need force and punishment to make the world safe. In this view, security = freedom. Let us take care of the bad guys. You can live the American dream, amass consumer goods and go to church so that everyone knows you're a good person. It's like a flash flood rising up to the neck. It sweeps the average citizen along in its irresistable tide. We can spend one million dollars per day incarcerating foreigners in Cuba. We can spend 85 billion dollars to destroy Iraq. We can nurse corporations at the Federal Government's breast with impunity, but woe to anyone who even suggests that such money might be better invested in education, national infrastructure, or (God forbid!) helping those dirty foreigners who hate us. That kind of talk is labeled Tax and Spend Liberalism. It's like a black hole, Keith. I think they despise what your government does in your name.
Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Keith, I'm sorry to see that you take my response using jk gasbag at his word ! I'm just wondering if you in turn have written to others about the continued rundown of anyone who has a basic belief in GOD JESUS, United States of America Etc ? Nobody runs me down. I believe Jesus IS God, and I'm an American. This is a diverse list and we have NO topic police here. I believe you are misunderstanding what other people have written. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Robert, This is interesting. I think that this is what really gets me about Christianity in general is the feeling that I am being pushed to repent for something that I do not believe to be sinful. as you point out here it is often the case that I am not being pushed into anything. I also frequently feel like I am being judged for my beliefs, (this man is a mirror) probably as I judge others I presume they must also judge me. I have a similar problem. However, I think it was Plato who wrote: The unexamined life is not worth living. If man is the measure of all things (Protagorus, right?), your comment about the reflection of yourself in others is interesting. there are a few other details though that I can't let fly, but they are not indemic to Christianity (homophobia and other forms of intolerance are an example) but are frequent symptoms so one tends to form an association. probably not fair, I apologize for pigeonholing. You were not the one who raised my hackles. I understand what you're saying about intolerance. With respect to the John Guttridge article, why is this the john guttridge article? I didn't write it, someone misinterpreted my comments about hypocrisy. whatever :) It's the John Guttridge article because your name appears in the thread's header. I didn't intend to imply that you'd written the article, only that you'd posted it. I've done a pretty poor job of communicating here in the last day or so. I have to say that having a respectful conversation with someone who you disagree strongly with can be trying at times. the problem is that when the egos start to get involved people stop talking about what their words are about and very little gets accomplished. this tends to be a trap one falls into when they feel something that they care about deeply is being questioned, especially if it is something that they have some question about themselves. Well stated, sir. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded troops in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and is slated to be portrayed by star actor Harrison Ford in an upcoming Hollywood movie, made the comments at a conference on Tuesday in San Diego, California. Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling, Mattis said. You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil, Mattis said during a panel discussion. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. In a statement, Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee praised Mattis as one of this country's bravest and most experienced military leaders. While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war, Hagee said. Lt. Gen. Mattis often speaks with a great deal of candor. I have counseled him concerning his remarks and he agrees he should have chosen his words more carefully, Hagee added. Maj. Jason Johnston, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon (news - web sites), said Hagee did not plan disciplinary action against Mattis. Johnston declined to specify how Hagee had counseled Mattis. During a Pentagon briefing, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld did not criticize Mattis' remarks, saying, I have not read his words. I don't know what he said precisely or the context. 'THE RIGHT EXAMPLE' Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, lauded Mattis' record and leadership. Without explicitly criticizing Mattis, Pace told the briefing, First of all, all of us who are leaders have a responsibility in our words and our actions to provide the right example all the time for those who look to us for leadership. Mattis, formally promoted to three-star general last month, heads the Marine Corps Combat Development Command, at Quantico, Virginia. In November 2001, Mattis proclaimed, We have landed and we now own terrain in south Afghanistan, after Marines took over a desert airstrip. The comment ruffled feathers at the Pentagon, where officials were uneasy with a U.S. general talking about owning Afghanistan. In Iraq, he commanded the 1st Marine Division during the 2003 invasion and subsequent counterinsurgency operations. Mattis was ordered to lead an assault on the Iraqi city of Falluja in April 2004 after the slaying and mutilation of four American contractors, but U.S. leaders halted the offensive and withdrew his Marines before a decisive showdown. He wrapped up his service in Iraq in August, a spokeswoman said. In November, Marines under different command seized control of the city after the U.S. presidential election. Ford has been pegged to play the role of Mattis in the film version of an upcoming book No True Glory, an account of the April battle for Falluja written by Marine veteran Bing West. Senior Pentagon Intelligence official Lt. Gen. William Boykin referred in 2003 to the struggle against Islamic extremists as a battle with Satan. In a speech, Boykin referred to a Muslim fighter in Somalia, and said, Well, you know what I knew, that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol. The Pentagon inspector general concluded in August that Boykin should face appropriate corrective action, and a senior Army general said in October said unspecified action had been taken against Boykin. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] RE: W.V.O. Source
Hey Rob, You have done a great deal of research and I am impressed. You are very thorough. I really appreciate all of the time that you have put into all of these plans. I have located one potential source for wvo. I am working part-time at a Ruby Tuesday and witnessed the process for removing the wvo. I was excited to see that the oil is filtered before it is pumped out of the fryer. I also noticed that the contracted removal service uses 50 gallon drums on roller dollies with a band seal on top to contain the wvo. This allows the restaurant to remove the oil while it is still hot and the contractor can come by and swap out drums without expensive removal pumps. Just thought that I would share this information with you. Please keep up the good job. Thanks, Peter McWilliams ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Some more on Depleted and Non-Depleted Uranium.
Hello All ; Cross post info of the horrors of depleted uranium and non-depleted uranium. Lots more already in the archives. I didn't know they were using NON-depleted uranium. Peter G. Thailand INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE, March 2004 Title: International Criminal Tribune For Afghanistan At Tokyo, The People vs. George Bush Author: Professor Ms Niloufer Bhagwat J. Evaluator: Jennifer Lillig, Ph.D. Student Researcher: Kenny Crosbie -- Civilian populations in Afghanistan and Iraq and occupying troops have been contaminated with astounding levels of radioactive depleted and non-depleted uranium as a result of post-9/11 United States' use of tons of uranium munitions. Researchers say surrounding countries are bound to feel the effects as well. In 2003 scientists from the Uranium Medical Research Center (UMRC) studied urine samples of Afghan civilians and found that 100% of the samples taken had levels of non-depleted uranium (NDU) 400% to 2000% higher than normal levels. The UMRC research team studied six sites, two in Kabul and others in the Jalalabad area. The civilians were tested four months after the attacks in Afghanistan by the United States and its allies. NDU is more radioactive than depleted uranium (DU), which itself is charged with causing many cancers and severe birth defects in the Iraqi populationespecially childrenover the past ten years. Four million pounds of radioactive uranium was dropped on Iraq in 2003 alone. Uranium dust will be in the bodies of our returning armed forces. Nine soldiers from the 442nd Military Police serving in Iraq were tested for DU contamination in December 2003. Conducted at the request of The News, as the U.S. government considers the cost of $1,000 per affected soldier prohibitive, the test found that four of the nine men were contaminated with high levels of DU, likely caused by inhaling dust from depleted uranium shells fired by U.S. troops. Several of the men had traces of another uranium isotope, U-236, that are produced only in a nuclear reaction process. Most American weapons (missiles, smart bombs, dumb bombs, bullets, tank shells, cruise missiles, etc.) contain high amounts of radioactive uranium. Depleted or non-depleted, these types of weapons, on detonation, release a radioactive dust which, when inhaled, goes into the body and stays there. It has a half-life of 4.5 billion years. Basically, it's a permanently available contaminant, distributed in the environment, where dust storms or any water nearby can disperse it. Once ingested, it releases subatomic particles that slice through DNA. UMRC's Field Team found several hundred Afghan civilians with acute symptoms of radiation poisoning along with chronic symptoms of internal uranium contamination, including congenital problems in newborns. Local civilians reported large, dense dust clouds and smoke plumes rising from the point of impact, an acrid smell, followed by burning of the nasal passages, throat and upper respiratory tract. Subjects in all locations presented identical symptom profiles and chronologies. The victims reported symptoms including pain in the cervical column, upper shoulders and basal area of the skull, lower back/kidney pain, joint and muscle weakness, sleeping difficulties, headaches, memory problems and disorientation. At the Uranium Weapons Conference held October 2003 in Hamburg, Germany, independent scientists from around the world testified to a huge increase in birth deformities and cancers wherever NDU and DU had been used. Professor Katsuma Yagasaki, a scientist at the Ryukyus University, Okinawa calculated that the 800 tons of DU used in Afghanistan is the radioactive equivalent of 83,000 Nagasaki bombs. The amount of DU used in Iraq is equivalent to 250,000 Nagasaki bombs. At the Uranium Weapons Conference, a demonstration by British-trained oncologist Dr. Jawad Al-Ali showed photographs of the kinds of birth deformities and tumors he had observed at the Saddam Teaching Hospital in Basra just before the 2003 war. Cancer rates had increased dramatically over the previous fifteen years. In 1989 there were 11 abnormalities per 100,000 births; in 2001 there were 116 per 100,000an increase of over a thousand percent. In 1989 34 people died of cancer; in 2001 there were 603 cancer deaths. The 2003 war has increased these figures exponentially. At a meeting of the International Criminal Tribunal for Afghanistan held December 2003 in Tokyo, the U.S. was indicted for multiple war crimes in Afghanistan, among them the use of DU. Leuren Moret, President of Scientists for Indigenous People and Environmental Commissioner for the City of Berkeley, testified that because radioactive contaminants from uranium weapons travel through air, water, and food sources,
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
Peter, Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded troops in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and is slated to be portrayed by star actor Harrison Ford in an upcoming Hollywood movie, made the comments at a conference on Tuesday in San Diego, California. Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling, Mattis said. You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil, Mattis said during a panel discussion. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. In a statement, Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee praised Mattis as one of this country's bravest and most experienced military leaders. While I understand that some people may take issue with the comments made by him, I also know he intended to reflect the unfortunate and harsh realities of war, Hagee said. Lt. Gen. Mattis often speaks with a great deal of candor. I have counseled him concerning his remarks and he agrees he should have chosen his words more carefully, Hagee added. Maj. Jason Johnston, a Marine spokesman at the Pentagon (news - web sites), said Hagee did not plan disciplinary action against Mattis. Johnston declined to specify how Hagee had counseled Mattis. During a Pentagon briefing, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld did not criticize Mattis' remarks, saying, I have not read his words. I don't know what he said precisely or the context. 'THE RIGHT EXAMPLE' Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the military's Joint Chiefs of Staff, lauded Mattis' record and leadership. Without explicitly criticizing Mattis, Pace told the briefing, First of all, all of us who are leaders have a responsibility in our words and our actions to provide the right example all the time for those who look to us for leadership. Mattis, formally promoted to three-star general last month, heads the Marine Corps Combat Development Command, at Quantico, Virginia. In November 2001, Mattis proclaimed, We have landed and we now own terrain in south Afghanistan, after Marines took over a desert airstrip. The comment ruffled feathers at the Pentagon, where officials were uneasy with a U.S. general talking about owning Afghanistan. In Iraq, he commanded the 1st Marine Division during the 2003 invasion and subsequent counterinsurgency operations. Mattis was ordered to lead an assault on the Iraqi city of Falluja in April 2004 after the slaying and mutilation of four American contractors, but U.S. leaders halted the offensive and withdrew his Marines before a decisive showdown. He wrapped up his service in Iraq in August, a spokeswoman said. In November, Marines under different command seized control of the city after the U.S. presidential election. Ford has been pegged to play the role of Mattis in the film version of an upcoming book No True Glory, an account of the April battle for Falluja written by Marine veteran Bing West. Senior Pentagon Intelligence official Lt. Gen. William Boykin referred in 2003 to the struggle against Islamic extremists as a battle with Satan. In a speech, Boykin referred to a Muslim fighter in Somalia, and said, Well, you know what I knew, that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol. The Pentagon inspector general concluded in August that Boykin should face appropriate corrective action, and a senior Army general said in October said unspecified action had been taken against Boykin. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
Paul, If it is as the web site selling them tells it is the key part of the statement. I can't seem to get any good information on them. Most of the information I have is anecdotal at best. If I would beleive any of the works/doesn't work stories - I would also have to beleive that meths and lye don't work to make BioD simply because someone couldn't do it. I would also have to believe that there is no safe way to run WVO in an mercedes 80's diesel and you can dump WVO into any diesel and it will work fine at the same time. I have read anecdotal stories on all of these, but very little facts to go along with them. Andy On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:11:57 -0500, Arbuckle, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some questions about the Acusorb beads. what kind of product do they make. If it is as the web site selling them tells it why use chemicals and other stuff. Is the end product as good a quality as the reaction method? I found three sights selling these products, all at different prices is there more? All were resellers so who really makes this stuff? The web site selling them says they are a good use in the reaction process. would you use filter and beads with WVO before reacting or after to filter and remove water of both? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Clark Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads Hello Andy, A freind of mine is puting in a new stove and has promised me his old one. I intend it for regenerating the beads I have. As soon as I can I will grab a hand full and see what happens at 400 F. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads Hi, Someone recently replied, I did a quick seach and it turned up this description of them: http://www.survivalunlimited.com/biodiesel.htm#techno It probably is a form of silica with the additional salts. If I'm not= mistaken industry refers to this as a molecular sieve. I doubt that these are zeolites, silica compounds, molecular sieves since they have to be regenerated at greater than 350F.. The description states that these beads turn black when heated over that. Could we ask Bill to take one and bake it at 400F and see if it turns black? Please Bill :) Andy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. Thank you. Metaldyne LLC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
For perspective let's read it, The Ayatolla Hazim said,'At times the killing of innocents is a pleasurable experience' . What kind of uproar would THAT cause ? The US media would be all over it as proof that they deserve to be invaded and destroyed due to their lack of respect for the sanctity of life, ect, ect, ect. The man is sick in his soul, although he is no different than the US soldier who used a wounded man as target practice and after he was dead declared Wow, that was awesome! or the Marine shooting to death an unarmed man in a Mosque or Apache pilots turning their 30mm cannons on degenseless farmers ect, ect,ect.And of course he will not be disciplined because then they would have to discipline the entire lot of them, and we just couldn't have the troops, our kids having their moral abased by such things as a moral question of being a basic human being now could we ? Winning hearts and minds and bringing democracy and freedom American style, what's not to love ? Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People' Peter, Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 95 Dodge Cummings
Congrats on the acquisition. Fuel filters are pretty inexpensive unless you have a two filter system where there is a primary and secondary filter, like the Benz. Get some spare primary filters and install them in-line before the pump. http://www.dansperformanceparts.com/buggy/fuel/buggyfuel2.htm Down the page, Universal in-line Filter. The problem that will bring you to a halt more than that would be an in-tank screen sediment filter. Don't know if the Dodge has one, but that would be a point of concern. It looks like this: http://oem.overnightautoparts.com/parts/overnightautoparts/viewImage.jsp?image=img.overnightautoparts.com/live/E101087062MEY.JPG They mail order. Luc - Original Message - From: Arbuckle, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 95 Dodge Cummings To All, I recently purchased a 95 dodge with a Cummings diesel. I am searching for a source of Biodiesel as we speak. The truck has 250,000 miles on it. I thing the tank will be crudded up and I will get plugged filters when I start Biodiesel usage. Does anyone know where I can but fuel filters at a reasonable cost? Any other helpful hints. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. Thank you. Metaldyne LLC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
re: [Biofuel] World Energy and Dow Chemical Sign Biodiesel Production
Keith, People have been saying that here for five years, and elsewhere no doubt much longer. I'm not being sceptical, I agree with you. That they're so slow off the mark and it's taking them so long would rather tend to reinforce my scepticism of their much-vaunted and largely mythical super-efficiency, and certainly of their economies of scale. Small is more beautiful! LOL! Lets hope that they are too blinded by their outlook on petroleum long enough for the co-ops and local interests to take hold. It's sometimes compared with the Prohibition (not a bad comparison, Big Oil certainly had their grubby little fingers deep into that particular pie). Anyway, alcohol (ethanol) was much too entrenched to be so simply eradicated from society, people wouldn't accept it. I've seen data that the consumption of alcohol went up by 80% - the attraction of the illicit, and perhaps a measure of how little people like being told by a government/corporate nanny what they can and can't do for their own good. I think it's too late to stop it with biofuels and probably especially biodiesel. There are such moves afoot to control and deter, in Australia, and elsewhere (quite swingeing, some of them), but more likely it will simply drive the backyarders and DIY-ers - the small guys - underground. I can see indications of that happening. These tend to be individualistic people, independent-minded, perhaps less a part of the herd than many or most. Not so easy to push them around, or at least to make it stick. But again, why so late? The backyarders and small-scalers have cost Big Oil and government millions upon millions already in lost revenues and lost taxes, and they're only beginning to notice now? We're right under their radar sceen, and likely to remain there, no matter how much they try to stop it. It's out of control, IMO. Of course with the Prohibition the highly unfortunate effect was to give a massive boost to organised crime, much like the drugs controls (per se) have done since. Ah well.. so we're all headed to be stinking rich kingpins of the illicit biofuels trade, biodiesel godfathers, LOL! Anybody inerested in an offer you can't refuse? :-) However, the avaliable feed stocks are not enough to fulfill our current consumption (talking both biodiesels and ethanol). So, is it plausable that any given fuel economy of an industrialized nation can be sustained with out a sizable infrastructure? Current consumption of the OECD countries, especially of the US, is out of the question, biofuels or no biofuels. See: World energy use http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html#energyuse Hence the Biofuel list mantra, or one of them: It's become something of a mantra that simply substituting biofuel for fossil-fuels is no answer - a rational energy future requires great reductions in energy use (waste), great improvements in energy efficiency, and probably most important, decentralisation of supply to the local level, along with the use of all available renewable technologies in combination as the local circumstances demand. Not good news for big, central and top-down vested interests, eh? Add to that what can only be described as a pure addiction to fossil fuels and I think we have part of the answer to why they're moving so snailishly fast. See, eg: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1395/ How much fuel can we grow? http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1801/ Re: Biofuels hold key to future of British farming Regards Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Kim - Re: [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Allen and Hakan used to have their say with me! Gosh, I guess that it can get out of hand so quickly! I wasn't demeaning the list Yes you were. but, it seems to me that you and several others have taken great offense. It's not offence, it's not personal: like any other community, this list community and its traditions are to be respected by its membership. As its steward I cannot allow the tradition of freedom of discussion here to be sneered at, as you did. Just as I had by Mr. Guttridge's comment! Was this enough ? Sincerly, Kim No, it's not enough. Answer the questions. For the third (and last) time. I also want an answer to this, and to the rest of the issues you've raised that have been questioned: When I gave you my interest in this forum I thought that you stated that it would be really good to stick to the biofuel interests in the forum perimeters ? I said that? Nope. Tell me where I said that - give me the exact quote and the reference, please. Don't ignore this: tell me where I said that. Okay? Just putting a few words on top like you've been doing is NOT enough. Do a thorough job of it. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner - Original Message Follows - Hello Kim Hmm... Keith, I'm sorry to see that you take my response using jk gasbag at his word ! You said it. I'm just wondering if you in turn have written to others about the continued rundown of anyone who has a basic belief in GOD JESUS, United States of America Etc ? Huh? What are you talking about? My message to you was about your sneering at the freedom of discussion on this list, nothing else, it's not possible to read anything else into it because nothing else is there. Yet that is what you've done. I think you have a problem. This is what I said to you - it's below, though you cut it: I reinstated it, but I think I'd better put it above too: Bob Hakan, Much literary criticism comes from people for whom extreme specialization is a cover for either grave cerebal inadequacy or terminal laziness, the latter being a much cherished aspect of academic freedom. JKG Thanks for your reply, Kim What's that supposed to mean, Kim? There is freedom of discussion at this list, it's something that has been established, built and maintained over five years, and many of us set great store by it. Are you saying that it's just terminal laziness, a cherished aspect of academic freedom??? Because that it sure as hell isn't, other than cherished perhaps. There's nothing merely academic about it, and it's the very opposite of laziness - it's rigorous, as it has to be else it would quickly succumb to the lowest common denominator, which has happened elsewhere, but not here. Kindly explain yourself. Hakan had said this: Since we many times enjoyed the freedom of discussion, I guess that we have to accept this kind of voodoo also. And you sneered at it. That's what my message to you was about, and that's ALL it was about. It has NOTHING to do with your continued rundown of anyone who has a basic belief in GOD JESUS, United States of America, etc, which is in the eye of the beholder and nowhere else - not in my message to you and certainly not in the archives. Dave Shaw is an American, and he just wrote this: Thank you Keith for reassuring all that we are welcome. I have certainly been guilty of reacting to statements that I read as anti-American, only to reread the further and find that the statement was of different intent. It was I who was reading anti-American sentiments. How funny. This is another important lesson that has been learned over the years, and I largely credit this list for speeding up that learning process. I've just written this: I don't think the system in the US is a good reflection of who you are as a people, you're much better than your system, and I think most people sense that in differentiating between Americans and Washington. And this, the day before: Still, as I've said here a few times before, despite various foolish accusations of America-bashing and America hating (baseless slander), I still look to Americans to lead the way in countering this, and to take their country back. I'm sure I'm not alone here in thinking this way. Many of the most tireless and effective campaigners are indeed Americans, in this as in many other most pressing issues challenging the world today. In spite of everything, it's MUCH too soon to write them off as a lost cause. Washington, now... well, that's another matter. If you can't see the difference, that's your problem (another one). There is no America-bashing here. There is CERTAINLY no Jesus-bashing here! Good grief! When I arrived here I was under the auspice that I was fortunate enough to find a forum that won't have the typical retrograde stances that you
Re: [Biofuel] Some more on Depleted and Non-Depleted Uranium.
Cross post info of the horrors of depleted uranium and non-depleted uranium. Lots more already in the archives. I didn't know they were using NON-depleted uranium. Aarghhh!!! Neither did I. :-( You also get INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE Peter, good stuff eh? Somehow I stopped getting it a few weeks back, I'll try re-subbing. Do you know this one? UNDERNEWS February 2, 2005 FROM THE PROGRESSIVE REVIEW EDITED BY SAM SMITH Since 1964, Washington's most unofficial source E-MAIL: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] LATEST HEADLINES INDEX: http://prorev.com UNDERNEWS: http://www.prorev.com/indexa.htm XML FEED: http://prorev.com/feed.xml SUBSCRIBE VIA TOPICA: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PROBLEMS SUBSCRIBING? SUBSCRIBE DIRECTLY: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Also good stuff. Hm... I just found this quote at the top of the last ICH posting I received, seems pertinent to recent discussion: We're not a democracy. It's a terrible misunderstanding and a slander to the idea of democracy to call us that. In reality, we're a plutocracy: a government by the wealthy. - Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General Chomsky said this: It has often been pointed out by political scientists that the US is basically a one-party state -- the business party, with two factions, Democrats and Republicans. Most of the population seems to agree. A very high percentage, sometimes passing 80%, believe that the government serves 'the few and the special interests,' not 'the people.' ... More serious political scientists in the mainstream describe the US not as a 'democracy' but as a 'polyarchy': a system of elite decision and periodic public ratification. There is surely much truth to the conclusion of the leading American social philosopher of the 20th century, John Dewey, whose main work was on democracy, that until there is democratic control of the primary economic institutions, politics will be 'the shadow cast on society by big business.' Regards Keith Peter G. Thailand INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE, March 2004 Title: International Criminal Tribune For Afghanistan At Tokyo, The People vs. George Bush Author: Professor Ms Niloufer Bhagwat J. Evaluator: Jennifer Lillig, Ph.D. Student Researcher: Kenny Crosbie -- Civilian populations in Afghanistan and Iraq and occupying troops have been contaminated with astounding levels of radioactive depleted and non-depleted uranium as a result of post-9/11 United States' use of tons of uranium munitions. Researchers say surrounding countries are bound to feel the effects as well. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. If indeed he has been doing that and it's not just vicarious (even sicker?) - a senior U.S. Marine Corps general? How much frontline action does he ever see? Right there in the firing line? Maybe... The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hmph - the kind that grows from the barrel of a gun maybe, give him a dose of his own medicine... No, I don't really mean that - an eye for a tooth doesn't get us anywhere except rapidly backwards. Regards Keith Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded troops in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and is slated to be portrayed by star actor Harrison Ford in an upcoming Hollywood movie, made the comments at a conference on Tuesday in San Diego, California. Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling, Mattis said. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
Please read this previous message: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/43433/ ... and follow the link there: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37536/ What it tells you about the website itself should give you some indication of what they're trying to sell, quite apart from all the sneers at stupid people trying to make that awful stuff known as biodiesel. Naah. It's a no-no, and so are they. Best wishes Keith Paul, If it is as the web site selling them tells it is the key part of the statement. I can't seem to get any good information on them. Most of the information I have is anecdotal at best. If I would beleive any of the works/doesn't work stories - I would also have to beleive that meths and lye don't work to make BioD simply because someone couldn't do it. I would also have to believe that there is no safe way to run WVO in an mercedes 80's diesel and you can dump WVO into any diesel and it will work fine at the same time. I have read anecdotal stories on all of these, but very little facts to go along with them. Andy On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:11:57 -0500, Arbuckle, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some questions about the Acusorb beads. what kind of product do they make. If it is as the web site selling them tells it why use chemicals and other stuff. Is the end product as good a quality as the reaction method? I found three sights selling these products, all at different prices is there more? All were resellers so who really makes this stuff? The web site selling them says they are a good use in the reaction process. would you use filter and beads with WVO before reacting or after to filter and remove water of both? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Clark Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 9:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads Hello Andy, A freind of mine is puting in a new stove and has promised me his old one. I intend it for regenerating the beads I have. As soon as I can I will grab a hand full and see what happens at 400 F. Bill Clark - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads Hi, Someone recently replied, I did a quick seach and it turned up this description of them: http://www.survivalunlimited.com/biodiesel.htm#techno It probably is a form of silica with the additional salts. If I'm not= mistaken industry refers to this as a molecular sieve. I doubt that these are zeolites, silica compounds, molecular sieves since they have to be regenerated at greater than 350F.. The description states that these beads turn black when heated over that. Could we ask Bill to take one and bake it at 400F and see if it turns black? Please Bill :) Andy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Hi Keith, I hate to be a buttinsky here on what is really a non-issue in this thread. Driven however by the sage advice, indeed wisdom, handed down by a certain group of sub-editors, yourself included, in a golden age of journalism Aah!... sigh... Golden days of yore, yes. I do miss having an editor! I must add a mild comment. Among those pearls scattered so liberally for the benefit of the common herd in the reporters pen was one constant refrain: Check your sources. To the issue: the now cliched phrase about fooling some of the people some of the time etc has been attributed variously to Abe Lincoln and Phineas Barnum. Winston Churchill might well have mouthed it but it was certainly around long before Hitler made him famous. Oh, was it Hitler who made him famous? LOL! I thought the Boers did that. On my first newspaper job, in Pretoria, I wrote a piece about how they'd finally found out how the guy escaped from the house in Pretoria they'd imprisoned him in after capturing him. He'd had the sense to replace the bit of flooring or walling or whatever it was (can't recall after so long) behind him when he tunnelled out, and they only discovered it when renovating the old house 67 years later. Odious fellow anyway, should have stayed in his hole maybe. Thanks Bob, very erudite, quite right too. I thought Churchill hadn't originated it, but he did apparently say it, and he certainly knew it was nonsense and capitalised on that, a nice example of cosy political myth-fostering vs political realities, so it's him I quoted. Best wishes, Bob. PS: should add I've been following the discussion with great delight. :-) Regards Keith - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day (snip) What was I saying about Churchill? ... what I tend to think of as Churchill's critical threshold level, when he mouthed that nonsense that you can fool some of the people all of the time and you can fool all of the people some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - while knowing very well that there's absolutely no need to fool all of them all of the time just as long as you can fool enough of them enough of the time. Which all our governments succeed in doing. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] very dark biodiesel
A lot of people have responded to your questions and given you a lot of help and advice, but you do not respond to them, nor even acknowledge it other than a generalised thanks (for exactly what nobody knows except you). Please respond to the replies your questions get on the list - response and feedback is required, especially if you want to go on getting help. If it appears that you simply take no notice of people, they won't respond to you anymore. That's not how a discussion works when you're talking with your friends, why would you think it works that way here? Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner hello! again! i finally got the wvo to react it formed three layers.. glycerin , soapy gel, and methyl esters on top.. but the top layer is very dark.. as dark as the glycerin .. it is very hard to tell the difference.. after washing it does get a little bit lighter couloured.. but,, it still is very dark.. is this dark biodiesel usable? best anibal ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Acurate, except it leaves open the falsehood that the present occupiers of the political State of Israel are the decendants of the Hebrews, which they are not. They are Khazar, a racial mix of Fino-Turk origin more commonly asociated with an east aisian mongol tribe than anything closely resembling a semitic heritage. I dealt with this whole thing at length (some will say way too much length,ha!) and can be found in the archives Oil and Israel. References and links to support the claim. Luc - Original Message - From: Jeremy Tracy Longworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion The heritage splits at Ishmael an Isaac. This is where it gets tricky. And please understand that BOTH the descendants of Ishmael and Isaac are BLESSED. But they are two distinct blessings and some would say that the blessing placed on ishmael was more like a curse. The promise was given to Abraham :your descendants will be as numerous as the stars in the sky: That promise was fullfilled in Isaac not Ishmael. Ishmael Was the son of Hagar, the slave of sarai Abram's wife and therefore was Illegitimate and not a true son. This is what the Angel of the Lord spoke over Ishmael Genesis 16:11 The angel of the LORD also said to her: You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers. In Genesis 22:2 The Lord Called Isaac Abraham's only son further confirming Ishmaels Illegitimacy Abraham loved Ishmael and pleaded with God to bless Ishmael also. The Lord said to him In Genesis 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
Luc, This winning the hearts and minds, has to be the ones in glass jars, if it could be achieved. Winning the hearts and minds is propaganda for US consumption, it is an extremely naive and stupid phrase. If you make a simple mathematics and relate to your own feelings to discover that. As I said before, the age distribution of the population is awfully skewed in todays Iraq, with over 80% women, children and elderly. Three wars took and frightening toll with hundreds of thousand in mass graves. The estimates are 300,000, only killed by Americans in the two Gulf wars. If you look at behavioral statistics for the humans, the mathematics goes like this, - On average a person will have and can manage around 10 very close relationship on the level of family and relatives. The 300,000 killed, represent 3 million who lost a family member, killed by US. If anyone killed members of your family, how good is the chance that you are more inclined to join the resistance, instead of giving the killers your hearts and mind? - On average a person have around 30 close friends, with frequent contacts. The 300,00 killed, represent that around 9 million people lost a friend, killed by US. If anyone killed your friend, how good is the chance that you are more inclined to join the resistance, instead of giving the killers your hearts and mind? - On average a person have around 60 people, that he/she know and have infrequent contacts with. The 300,000 killed, represent that around 18 million people knew someone killed by US. If anyone killed someone you knew, how good is the chance that you are more inclined to join the resistance, instead of giving the killers your hearts and mind? If you only think about the above, almost all Iraqis have been touched by a killing performed by US and that my argument about naivety and stupidity in the sentence winning the hears and minds of the Iraqi people have merits. It also give some possible perspectives on the insurgent activities. Hakan At 12:39 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote: G'day Hakan/Peter; For perspective let's read it, The Ayatolla Hazim said,'At times the killing of innocents is a pleasurable experience' . What kind of uproar would THAT cause ? The US media would be all over it as proof that they deserve to be invaded and destroyed due to their lack of respect for the sanctity of life, ect, ect, ect. The man is sick in his soul, although he is no different than the US soldier who used a wounded man as target practice and after he was dead declared Wow, that was awesome! or the Marine shooting to death an unarmed man in a Mosque or Apache pilots turning their 30mm cannons on degenseless farmers ect, ect,ect.And of course he will not be disciplined because then they would have to discipline the entire lot of them, and we just couldn't have the troops, our kids having their moral abased by such things as a moral question of being a basic human being now could we ? Winning hearts and minds and bringing democracy and freedom American style, what's not to love ? Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People' Peter, Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
You would think that the current administration and their so-called Culture of Life talking heads would be up in arms over this clown's statements. Too bad the Culture of Life was ever good enough for anyone in the Middle East. Disgusting, fred On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:00:27 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. If indeed he has been doing that and it's not just vicarious (even sicker?) - a senior U.S. Marine Corps general? How much frontline action does he ever see? Right there in the firing line? Maybe... The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hmph - the kind that grows from the barrel of a gun maybe, give him a dose of his own medicine... No, I don't really mean that - an eye for a tooth doesn't get us anywhere except rapidly backwards. Regards Keith Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. Lt. Gen. James Mattis, who commanded troops in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) and is slated to be portrayed by star actor Harrison Ford in an upcoming Hollywood movie, made the comments at a conference on Tuesday in San Diego, California. Actually it's quite fun to fight 'em, you know. It's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up front with you, I like brawling, Mattis said. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Methanol Recovery
I have just completed a simple condenser for methanol recovery, however I am still left with a question. Do I need to bring the glycerine to a rolling boil or just bring up the heat sufficiently to get the methanol to evaporate (148.5F/65C) not necessarily boiling ? Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
snip Who wouldn't find liberty, equality, justice and freedom of religion concepts worthy of utmost respect? These are supposed to be the undergirding principles upon which our nation was founded, and it may be difficult for foreigners to grasp how profoundly these ideas are impressed upon us from a very young age. We are taught to believe that America stands for these principles, and to define ourselves as Americans with these ideals. I learned the extent of my conditioning when I moved to Canada, discovering that people up here often define themselves in terms of what is NOT American, rather than what IS Canadian. (Luc and Ed, does this ring true?) snip Greetings, Yes the concepts of liberty, equality, justice and freedom of religion are worthy of respect. It is sad so few have any for them. Freedom of religion??? I have met extremely few Americans that actually believe that, and most of them I have met are on this list. To most Americans, freedom of religion means that it is okay to be a Quaker or Mormon. Jehovah's Witness is dicey, forget being Pagan. There are court battles going on right now, over the custody of children, the issue: Mom is a Witch, therefore it is the duty of the court to remove the children to a family member that is Christian. And yes, if you really want me to I can give specifics. While I am not Luc or Ed, I did spend my first 35 years in Canada. Canada has its own conditioning, as I suspect each county does. And yes, much of Canada's conditioning is anti American. This point is brought home to us very strongly every time we visit Canada, especially when the subject of citizenship comes up. The fact that we are willing to give up being Canadian to have the right to vote where we live is not understood. If the world had the tolerance and ability to communicate that I find on this list, I think we would have a much more peaceful world. To those who do not think that peace is possible, I hold up this list as an example of what is possible. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Corporate biofuel is a reality
up (!) all the feedstock, no doubt with government protections about to be put in place, the backyard as they like to call it with the conotation that it is backwards, homebrewer can always get his econo-friendly fuel where ? Corporate ! At what cost ? Upteen times what it costs you now and the quality won't be any where near what you are doing now when it is done right. You have a vested inetrest in makin good fuel, it is your vehicle. They, on the other hand, do not. The prime and only concern of corporate is the profit line as has been shown in too numerous an amount of examples to recount here. When well-meaning biofuels advocates invite corporate into the fray it is cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.Soon the teacher will be the servant, no doubt. Corporate will try to sustain the same levels of consumption of fuel to fuel the profit margin only attempting to replace dino with WVO ect thereby depleting the availability of the feedstock and turning it into a comodity that corporate will pay to acquire then pass that cost on to you, which heretofore you were making at a fraction of the cost for a higher quality product. Corporate and government involvement in these projects in a Third World setting seems to be a good thing, a need looking to be filled, however when western corporate, with it's long history of abuse, gets involved it can't be a good omen. Luc - Original Message - From: bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Corporate biofuel is a reality UK: January 19, 2005 LONDON - Britain's newest biodiesel plant, capable of turning recycled cooking oil and animal fats into fuel for cars, is due onstream in Scotland this spring, boosting output of the green fuel by up to 35,000 tonnes a year. Its privately-held owner, Argent Energy, said the 15 million-pound ($28 millon) facility was already warming up. We've just started commissioning...there may be other plants in construction at the moment, but when this comes online -- which we hope will be mid-April or May -- it will be the largest in Britain, the firm's joint managing director Andy Hunter told Reuters on Tuesday. It will be larger than the total capacity of the rest of the UK for processing saturated fats into a quality diesel fuel and the largest of its kind in the world. The London-based company said it is in talks with a number of transport companies interested in using the fuel. The plant near Motherwell in Scotland is expected to be up and running a few months before green fuel start-up Biofuels Corp. brings its giant 250,000-tonne facility at Teesside in northeast England into use. When our plant comes online, we will effectively increase total UK capacity somewhere between four- and five-fold. Obviously, with Biofuels Corp. coming on, we should see another dramatic rise, Hunter said. In 2004, Britain produced only 10,000 tonnes of biodiesel. Biodiesel can be made from a range of vegetable oils including rapeseed, soy, sunflower and palm, but it can also be derived from animal fats, grease and tallow. It is seen as an environmentally-friendly alternative or addition to regular diesel. EU TARGETS SPUR INTEREST Argent Energy said European Union targets on biofuel had helped help spur interest in the sector. If one looks at the moves both politically and economically throughout the whole of Europe, there's been a significant shift towards biofuels, the firm said. As part of a range of measures drawn up in response to international agreements to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the EU is keen to see biofuel account for two percent of all fuel sales in 2005, rising to 5.75 percent by 2010. The reduction in the UK duty level on biodiesel by 20 pence per litre in April 2002 has also encouraged the firm and further expansion is on the cards. As soon as this Scottish plant is working and proven, we would look to build at least two more plants of similar size in the UK and we would expect those to come online over the next two-and-a-half to three years, Hunter said. Earlier this month, UK renewable fuel maker Greenergy said it has submitted plans to build a 200,000-tonne per year biodiesel plant on England's east coast, with a view to bringing it onstream by mid-next year. The Motherwell plant is expected to meet five percent of Scotland's diesel needs. (US$1=0.5345 British Pounds) Story by David Cullen REUTERS NEWS SERVICE ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
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Re: [Biofuel] OOPS (typo) -- sorry Kieth
...for what it's worth, My grandmother's house is only 400+ years old. Freudian slip? :-) Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Kieth, There's a lot of stuff you threw out there. To address it all would take a heck of a lot of time -- suffice to say that I agree with most of it. Switzerland: If part of it's government was based on the US constitution, you wouldn't know it. It gained it's Independence over 700 years ago and I think they had it pretty much nailed down before Jefferson put pen to paper. I visited my grandmother two weeks ago as I've done almost every year since I was an infant. Her 700+ year old house is a testament to their cautious attitude toward progress (I'm alluding to housing development). You are right about voting. Before my Aunt could build her new house, it had to be approved by those in her neighborhood. She, in fact, had to build a stick frame of the house to show its size and shape and offer a visual aid for all who would approve it (or not). Presidents: They have seven of them, representing all of the regions of the confederation. Since Switzerland has four national languages, They are usually fluent in two or three of them (German French Italian and Rhetto-Romanish). This makes me wonder about the whole one nation, one language thing. I don't want to go on too long -- especially since I think you already did a great job covering much of this. I just wanted to offer some perspective as a witness to quite another interpretation of democracy. I sometimes see my relatives and the country they live in with envy. This is a country that hasn't experienced war within its borders since the crossbow was the weapon of choice. They have a well organized, cohesive government where you don't have to own a car and you would be hard-pressed to find a hungry child -- all of this while the language (and sometimes culture) can change within a thirty minute walk. Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, Hakan and all Hakan, Thank you for spending the time to point toward better examples of democracies than the US. As a dual citizen, I think that Switzerland is an especially good choice. Are you really? That must make for some interesting comparisons. I posted this before, but I think I'll post it again, seems pertinent right now. What difference does one person one vote make when non-person corporations that are inimical to democracy and the public interest can buy off the entire political apparatus? It's just a meaningless formula now, it obscures the reality as much as reveals it. How many of those increasingly meaningless votes even get cast? - or how few rather? You think that's what democracy means? You have to abandon these formulas and look at what really happens in people's lives. How about a rich country that didn't allow its women to vote until 13 years ago? Probably some backward oil sheikhdom in the Gulf or something, eh? Switzerland, actually. I think it's the oldest democracy in the world, going back to the 13th century, and much admired, though certainly not without its flaws. Everywhere you look you find exceptions to these simplistic formulas, both better and worse. I don't want to interpret what Hakan said, but I believe he was talking about realities, not just empty forms. Switzerland, by the way, modelled its current federal constitution on the US, in 1848. Government there is a very local business, strictly bottom-up, the federal government is tiny and hardly seems to matter. There's no clear division between the governing party and the opposition. The Swiss don't just vote once in four years, they seem to be voting most of the time - in fact they vote whenever they feel like it, it's a citizens' right to organize a referendum on just about anything. Interest and turnouts are high. Not so easy to recognise today's US in that mirror image, is it? Who's the president of Switzerland? The name doesn't spring immediately to mind, does it? Or maybe, does Switzerland have a president or a prime minister, or a chancellor, or what? Don't know? Neither do I. Sounds good to me. It would seem the leaders, if that's quite the word (I think it isn't quite the word), don't have much choice but to abide by the consitution, and anyway nobody seems to take very much notice of them. At the time James had got a lot of Americans all upset with his talk of teledemocracy, which they saw as Direct Democracy, in other words mob rule. I said this to one of them: Anyway, you see teledemocracy = Direct Democracy = Mob Rule, the preferred alternative being the Rule of Law, and, what, the status quo? Somehow I don't think you're that happy with either of those. The bit above ending with the Patriot Act [Now the Homeland Security Bill basically suspends our Constitution under Color of Law, on top of the Patriot Act] is either the Rule of Law at work or shows that it's a weakling, easily
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives
Hello, Can you tell me where I could buy this Wintron CX-30 out here in Holland ? Thanks in advance. Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives G'day Jan; From my understanding, Lubrizol works very well for the purpose it is intended for and that is B20 blend. It works primarily on the dino end, not the BD end. I am a bit scetchy about all the details and it could be a bit higher % on the BD side although I am certain that it is of littole value on B100.A consideration to keep in mind. Wintron CX-30 on the other hand was formulated especially FOR biodiesel and is reputed to do just fine on B100 down to -10C and the answer I got when I sent them an emai lwas that they were working on a formula that could in effect be winter friendly on B100 down to -20/-25C. (hopes and anticipation I am sure) Luc Luc - Original Message - From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Try to find a Lubrizol dealer or contact biofuelsystems in Britain. JLB - Original Message - From: Nuno Alegria - MT Energia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Hi Does anyone knows any additives for use with biodiesel to low CFPP in winter? Where can we buy it in Europe? Thanks, -- Nuno Alegria ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] My first batches
I have recently processed 4 separate 1 litre batches in my kitchen using 2 different off the shelf brands of fresh rape oil. I dissolved 3,5 grams of 100% NaOH in 2 dl methanol (racing fuel) shaking the mix and then leaving over night and at the time of introducing the methoxide into the oil I could see no undissolved particles. I measured the NaOH on a 1g kitchen digital scale measuring the grains in 4 different heaps on some aluminium foil (zeroing the scale to compensate) so that when the scale went from 3 to 4 grams I could half the last little pile to get app 3,5 g. The methanol was measured in a graded beaker. The oil was heated to 54¡c and the methoxide added at that temperature in a blender which did the mixing for 15 minutes, temperature was not maintained in the blender. The mixture was then decanted into a glass jar to settle. After about 1/2 hour 2 distinct layers formed - however it took one week before the top layer became clear. Should it really take this long to clear? All in all I was quite pleased with the result until I washed some of the first sample which has been settling for more than a month now. I took 3 dl clear oil and mixed it in a jar with 1 dl tap water a bit colder than room temperature, I am guessing at around 15¡c. I just shook the jar for maybe 2 minutes. The whole sample turned white and not much happened after I placed it to settle in room temperature at app 18¡c. The next morning there were 3 layers. Clear water at the bottom with a frothy white layer floating on the water. This froth has uneven surfaces top and bottom and it seems sticky as 'entrails' of it extend down into the clear water layer on the sides of the jar. Above these two layers the oil seem to be settling out but is is still opaque a week later. I plan to decant the oil and wash that again, maybe a couple of times. Before proceeding I am hoping with this description for a response from someone on the list with experience to tell me if I have gone wrong or if this is normal, also what this white frothy stuff is. I thought soap but I was under the impression that soap floats on oil.. Well, I am trying to start at the beginning and learn my way properly, this I am doing at the same time as a e-mail friend up country. He has gone straight into wvo litre batches, he doesn't use a blender just shakes his mixture in a PET bottle, albeit for 45 minutes, at room temperature and he gets 2 distinct layers after 1/2 hour and he can wash this getting 2 layers again, water and oil - it's not fair :-( ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] American or Canadian
It is not so much that Canadians are trying to not be Americans so much as it is a case of just being, without nationalistic afrontery. Canadian tradition is pretty deep rooted, and a big part of that is to live in peace and to embrace tolearnce. Of course this also has had it's moments of ignominy (disgraceful or dishonorable conduct, quality, or action), more so recently than before, or maybe it is that I have just recently been made aware of it ? In any case, when I lived in Australia I was not out of place, nor did I feel so. When I travelled the Pacifc Islands I did feel out of place, being amongst the very few white people there :-) however not uncomfortable with it, one adapts. While in South America I wasn't at a loss either, having already travelled quite a bit and having learned that my home country's traditions and quirks were not necessarily practiced elsewhere, one adapts. But what is it that makes a Canadian and American so different ? Could it be the accent, eh? -Canucks will get that one. Recetly travel bureaus in the US were handing out guides on How to speak Canadian for people wishing to travel outside the US so that they could pass themselves off as Canadian. Pretty sad, eh? Of course it would also take an entire course in etiquette as well. Many Candians try to immitate American stuff, or I should say USED to. The primary reason for this is most likely that Canada has no strong cultural persona, not to say that there is not one present, it simply isn't worn on one's sleeve, jacket, car,tea cup (oops, coffee mug), at every and each opportunity where a display of national propriety isn't called for but is there nevertheless. Canadians are generally reserved and polite (generally) and the politicos have seen to it that Canada has it's own homebred dissention (DISAGREEMENT; especially : partisan and contentious quarreling) as anyone who has ever been in the country while a seperatist flare was fired into the air. It keeps things divided. Elsewhere it is something else, but there is always something, and where all else won't work there is always the old fallback - religion. Get inside each one of the main religious entities and set them aginst each other and even against factions of themselves. Divide and conquer. Sound a little too conspirational ? Step back from the tree and look at the mess the forest is in,Ha! Canadians are no more trying not be American than the Kiwis (New Zealanders) are trying not to be Australian. They are different, and it just is. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] OOPS (typo) -- sorry Kieth
400 + 300 is 700 :-) I enjoyed that history and all about Switzerland, interesting. You learn something here all the time. Luc - Original Message - From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] OOPS (typo) -- sorry Kieth ...for what it's worth, My grandmother's house is only 400+ years old. Freudian slip? :-) Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Kieth, There's a lot of stuff you threw out there. To address it all would take a heck of a lot of time -- suffice to say that I agree with most of it. Switzerland: If part of it's government was based on the US constitution, you wouldn't know it. It gained it's Independence over 700 years ago and I think they had it pretty much nailed down before Jefferson put pen to paper. I visited my grandmother two weeks ago as I've done almost every year since I was an infant. Her 700+ year old house is a testament to their cautious attitude toward progress (I'm alluding to housing development). You are right about voting. Before my Aunt could build her new house, it had to be approved by those in her neighborhood. She, in fact, had to build a stick frame of the house to show its size and shape and offer a visual aid for all who would approve it (or not). Presidents: They have seven of them, representing all of the regions of the confederation. Since Switzerland has four national languages, They are usually fluent in two or three of them (German French Italian and Rhetto-Romanish). This makes me wonder about the whole one nation, one language thing. I don't want to go on too long -- especially since I think you already did a great job covering much of this. I just wanted to offer some perspective as a witness to quite another interpretation of democracy. I sometimes see my relatives and the country they live in with envy. This is a country that hasn't experienced war within its borders since the crossbow was the weapon of choice. They have a well organized, cohesive government where you don't have to own a car and you would be hard-pressed to find a hungry child -- all of this while the language (and sometimes culture) can change within a thirty minute walk. Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, Hakan and all Hakan, Thank you for spending the time to point toward better examples of democracies than the US. As a dual citizen, I think that Switzerland is an especially good choice. Are you really? That must make for some interesting comparisons. I posted this before, but I think I'll post it again, seems pertinent right now. What difference does one person one vote make when non-person corporations that are inimical to democracy and the public interest can buy off the entire political apparatus? It's just a meaningless formula now, it obscures the reality as much as reveals it. How many of those increasingly meaningless votes even get cast? - or how few rather? You think that's what democracy means? You have to abandon these formulas and look at what really happens in people's lives. How about a rich country that didn't allow its women to vote until 13 years ago? Probably some backward oil sheikhdom in the Gulf or something, eh? Switzerland, actually. I think it's the oldest democracy in the world, going back to the 13th century, and much admired, though certainly not without its flaws. Everywhere you look you find exceptions to these simplistic formulas, both better and worse. I don't want to interpret what Hakan said, but I believe he was talking about realities, not just empty forms. Switzerland, by the way, modelled its current federal constitution on the US, in 1848. Government there is a very local business, strictly bottom-up, the federal government is tiny and hardly seems to matter. There's no clear division between the governing party and the opposition. The Swiss don't just vote once in four years, they seem to be voting most of the time - in fact they vote whenever they feel like it, it's a citizens' right to organize a referendum on just about anything. Interest and turnouts are high. Not so easy to recognise today's US in that mirror image, is it? Who's the president of Switzerland? The name doesn't spring immediately to mind, does it? Or maybe, does Switzerland have a president or a prime minister, or a chancellor, or what? Don't know? Neither do I. Sounds good to me. It would seem the leaders, if that's quite the word (I think it isn't quite the word), don't have much choice but to abide by the consitution, and anyway nobody seems to take very much notice of them. At the time James had got a lot of Americans all upset with his talk of teledemocracy, which they saw as Direct Democracy, in other words mob rule. I said this to one of them: Anyway, you see teledemocracy = Direct Democracy = Mob Rule, the preferred alternative being the Rule of Law, and, what, the
Re: [Biofuel] My first batches
- Original Message - From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: [Biofuel] My first batches I have recently processed 4 separate 1 litre batches in my kitchen using 2 different off the shelf brands of fresh rape oil. I dissolved 3,5 grams of 100% NaOH in 2 dl methanol (racing fuel) shaking the mix and then leaving over night and at the time of introducing the methoxide into the oil I could see no undissolved particles. I measured the NaOH on a 1g kitchen digital scale measuring the grains in 4 different heaps on some aluminium foil (zeroing the scale to compensate) so that when the scale went from 3 to 4 grams I could half the last little pile to get app 3,5 g. The methanol was measured in a graded beaker. The oil was heated to 54¡c and the methoxide added at that temperature in a blender which did the mixing for 15 minutes, temperature was not maintained in the blender. The mixture was then decanted into a glass jar to settle. After about 1/2 hour 2 distinct layers formed - however it took one week before the top layer became clear. Should it really take this long to clear? You don't have to wait until the top layer is competely clear before washing. It will still have suspended particles in it anyway. All in all I was quite pleased with the result until I washed some of the first sample which has been settling for more than a month now. I took 3 dl clear oil and mixed it in a jar with 1 dl tap water a bit colder than room temperature, I am guessing at around 15¡c. I just shook the jar for maybe 2 minutes. When you wash tested the sample you didn't use enough water. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality The whole sample turned white and not much happened after I placed it to settle in room temperature at app 18¡c. The next morning there were 3 layers. Clear water at the bottom with a frothy white layer floating on the water. This froth has uneven surfaces top and bottom and it seems sticky as 'entrails' of it extend down into the clear water layer on the sides of the jar. Is it possible that some glycerine got mixed in with the processed BD? That could have caused the soap on top, or the improper amount of water aded. Luc Above these two layers the oil seem to be settling out but is is still opaque a week later. I plan to decant the oil and wash that again, maybe a couple of times. Before proceeding I am hoping with this description for a response from someone on the list with experience to tell me if I have gone wrong or if this is normal, also what this white frothy stuff is. I thought soap but I was under the impression that soap floats on oil.. Well, I am trying to start at the beginning and learn my way properly, this I am doing at the same time as a e-mail friend up country. He has gone straight into wvo litre batches, he doesn't use a blender just shakes his mixture in a PET bottle, albeit for 45 minutes, at room temperature and he gets 2 distinct layers after 1/2 hour and he can wash this getting 2 layers again, water and oil - it's not fair :-( ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives
http://www.biofuelsystems.com/uk2shop-2.htm However when I just tried thelink it was down. Hope they are still tehre. Luc - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Hello, Can you tell me where I could buy this Wintron CX-30 out here in Holland ? Thanks in advance. Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Corporate biofuel is a reality
down with most independent (non corporate franchise) restaurant owners and convince them why partnering with a local biofuel co-op is better for all. Get yourself (or your co-op, or your small biofuel company) set up as a legal hauler, and take the time to establish legal collection accounts. Again as stated in my recent posts (see microsclae - was World Energy), I think a unification of the backyarders is in order. Unless you simply want to exist under the radar (which I do not think will make much of a difference in the big picture in sheer gallons), teaming up and establishing a legal small-scale systems could go a long way. A micro-scale coalition, or co-op of co-ops, can be a central body for funding appropriate testing/QA, can provide a trade association representing the interests of small scale production, and may be able to serve as a central purchasing agent in order to negotiate lower chemical prices. You already know the economics of small scale distributed production. What is needed now is a legal way to grow it. At 09:28 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: Wow ! And just where does that leave the homebrewer ? With corporate suckin up (!) all the feedstock, no doubt with government protections about to be put in place, the backyard as they like to call it with the conotation that it is backwards, homebrewer can always get his econo-friendly fuel where ? Corporate ! At what cost ? Upteen times what it costs you now and the quality won't be any where near what you are doing now when it is done right. You have a vested inetrest in makin good fuel, it is your vehicle. They, on the other hand, do not. The prime and only concern of corporate is the profit line as has been shown in too numerous an amount of examples to recount here. When well-meaning biofuels advocates invite corporate into the fray it is cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.Soon the teacher will be the servant, no doubt. Corporate will try to sustain the same levels of consumption of fuel to fuel the profit margin only attempting to replace dino with WVO ect thereby depleting the availability of the feedstock and turning it into a comodity that corporate will pay to acquire then pass that cost on to you, which heretofore you were making at a fraction of the cost for a higher quality product. Corporate and government involvement in these projects in a Third World setting seems to be a good thing, a need looking to be filled, however when western corporate, with it's long history of abuse, gets involved it can't be a good omen. Luc - Original Message - From: bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Corporate biofuel is a reality UK: January 19, 2005 LONDON - Britain's newest biodiesel plant, capable of turning recycled cooking oil and animal fats into fuel for cars, is due onstream in Scotland this spring, boosting output of the green fuel by up to 35,000 tonnes a year. Its privately-held owner, Argent Energy, said the 15 million-pound ($28 millon) facility was already warming up. We've just started commissioning...there may be other plants in construction at the moment, but when this comes online -- which we hope will be mid-April or May -- it will be the largest in Britain, the firm's joint managing director Andy Hunter told Reuters on Tuesday. It will be larger than the total capacity of the rest of the UK for processing saturated fats into a quality diesel fuel and the largest of its kind in the world. The London-based company said it is in talks with a number of transport companies interested in using the fuel. The plant near Motherwell in Scotland is expected to be up and running a few months before green fuel start-up Biofuels Corp. brings its giant 250,000-tonne facility at Teesside in northeast England into use. When our plant comes online, we will effectively increase total UK capacity somewhere between four- and five-fold. Obviously, with Biofuels Corp. coming on, we should see another dramatic rise, Hunter said. In 2004, Britain produced only 10,000 tonnes of biodiesel. Biodiesel can be made from a range of vegetable oils including rapeseed, soy, sunflower and palm, but it can also be derived from animal fats, grease and tallow. It is seen as an environmentally-friendly alternative or addition to regular diesel. EU TARGETS SPUR INTEREST Argent Energy said European Union targets on biofuel had helped help spur interest in the sector. If one looks at the moves both politically and economically throughout the whole of Europe, there's been a significant shift towards biofuels, the firm said. As part of a range of measures drawn up in response to international agreements to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the EU is keen to see biofuel account for two percent of all fuel sales in 2005, rising to 5.75 percent by 2010. The reduction in the UK duty level on biodiesel by 20
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery
on 2/4/05 5:41 AM, Legal Eagle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day; I have just completed a simple condenser for methanol recovery, however I am still left with a question. Do I need to bring the glycerine to a rolling boil or just bring up the heat sufficiently to get the methanol to evaporate (148.5F/65C) not necessarily boiling ? That depends on the exact shape of the boiling pot/chamber and still head, but my concentrating solar still used to start getting methanol in the condenser coil ONLY when the glycerine was simmering. The question is -- how rapidly does vapor have to be produced to overcome the rate that it condenses before reaching the downhill side of your setup. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Magnesol XL ?
http://www.rti-inc.com/magnesol.htm I noticed they now run an ad in Biodiesel Magazine February 2005, Page 44 Reduce or eliminate water wash Eliminate Emulsions ..etc I am actually more curious of its application for cleaning WVO for direct WVO usage. -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] My first batches
On 2005-02-04 16.30, Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Luk, thanks a lot, but I'm not getting anywhare I have recently processed 4 separate 1 litre batches in my kitchen using 2 different off the shelf brands of fresh rape oil. I dissolved 3,5 grams of 100% NaOH in 2 dl methanol (racing fuel) shaking the mix and then leaving over night and at the time of introducing the methoxide into the oil I could see no undissolved particles. I measured the NaOH on a 1g kitchen digital scale measuring the grains in 4 different heaps on some aluminium foil (zeroing the scale to compensate) so that when the scale went from 3 to 4 grams I could half the last little pile to get app 3,5 g. The methanol was measured in a graded beaker. The oil was heated to 54¡c and the methoxide added at that temperature in a blender which did the mixing for 15 minutes, temperature was not maintained in the blender. The mixture was then decanted into a glass jar to settle. After about 1/2 hour 2 distinct layers formed - however it took one week before the top layer became clear. Should it really take this long to clear? You don't have to wait until the top layer is competely clear before washing. It will still have suspended particles in it anyway. All in all I was quite pleased with the result until I washed some of the first sample which has been settling for more than a month now. I took 3 dl clear oil and mixed it in a jar with 1 dl tap water a bit colder than room temperature, I am guessing at around 15¡c. I just shook the jar for maybe 2 minutes. When you wash tested the sample you didn't use enough water. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality My updialed connection is there a lot - costs me a fortune - tell you what - Kieth for president! But I have done it all right I thought. Allright - good one, no harm done then? The whole sample turned white and not much happened after I placed it to settle in room temperature at app 18¡c. The next morning there were 3 layers. Clear water at the bottom with a frothy white layer floating on the water. This froth has uneven surfaces top and bottom and it seems sticky as 'entrails' of it extend down into the clear water layer on the sides of the jar. Is it possible that some glycerine got mixed in with the processed BD? Oh no, I just scooped out a small sample with a soup spoon, I did not disturb the darker glycerine level. That could have caused the soap on top, or the improper amount of water aded. No. Dear Luk the white stuff was not on top, the white stuff is under the oil on top of the clear water - how can water quantity be critical? Thanks for your help. Luc Above these two layers the oil seem to be settling out but is is still opaque a week later. I plan to decant the oil and wash that again, maybe a couple of times. Before proceeding I am hoping with this description for a response from someone on the list with experience to tell me if I have gone wrong or if this is normal, also what this white frothy stuff is. I thought soap but I was under the impression that soap floats on oil.. Well, I am trying to start at the beginning and learn my way properly, this I am doing at the same time as a e-mail friend up country. He has gone straight into wvo litre batches, he doesn't use a blender just shakes his mixture in a PET bottle, albeit for 45 minutes, at room temperature and he gets 2 distinct layers after 1/2 hour and he can wash this getting 2 layers again, water and oil - it's not fair :-( ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Hi Kim, Luc, and all [snip] While I am not Luc or Ed, I did spend my first 35 years in Canada. Canada has its own conditioning, as I suspect each county does. And yes, much of Canada's conditioning is anti American. This point is brought home to us very strongly every time we visit Canada, especially when the subject of citizenship comes up. The fact that we are willing to give up being Canadian to have the right to vote where we live is not understood. If the world had the tolerance and ability to communicate that I find on this list, I think we would have a much more peaceful world. To those who do not think that peace is possible, I hold up this list as an example of what is possible. Bright Blessings, Kim We all have a lot in common on this list: we all have computers, we have a few minutes a day to read all the mail, we are fascinated by the outrageous, logic-defying developments in our world. A lot of people think that fuel is the issue of the century: its abuse, the quest for it, the political railroading to justify the destruction of the planet to get it... It's huge. What is a national border in the face of this? American, Canadian... it's going to be meaningless. Oops, not to everyone, I guess. First somebody will thrash out who gets sovereignty over the Northwest Passage, wreck the culture of the indigenous Innuit, and perfect wind turbine shipping. THEN we can all be happy together. HA! It's a crappy scenario. but there are some up sides. I like thinking about locally grown food, less trucking, decentralization, and community. I hope my four kids will have secure and productive lives. That's what everyone thinks, isn't it? Jesse ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] thanks all
hello all, i would like to thank every one who responded to me postings. washing of the small test batches are going good and am quite confident with the processes. this weekend i am setting up my BIG system consisting of a 100 US gallon reaction tank. i have 2 of these tanks and will be (hopefully) expanding to include both of the tanks. I will then be producing about 75 US gallons a day(again Hopefully) wish me luck Vincent Zadworny Vancouver Canada - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] U.S. Soldiers Head North To Seek Asylum
Canada Gave Asylum To Vietnam War Defectors POSTED: 6:27 pm PST February 3, 2005 UPDATED: 10:03 am PST February 4, 2005 During the 1960s and 70s some 50,000 Americans resisted the Vietnam War and moved to Canada, rather than serve in a war they didn't believe in. Canada didn't back the Vietnam War and gave asylum to those defectors. Now, there's a new war that Canada doesn't support and history is starting to repeat itself with soldiers starting to cross the boarder so they don't have to go to Iraq. Dan Felushka joined the Marines because he wanted to be trained by the best, and he believed in the mission. We were training for war and we were trained to respond to 9/11, Felushka said. I was gung-ho for it. Totally into it, into the idea of responding to an attack made against Americans that made sense. Felushka was based out of Camp Pendleton. He says boot camp was one of the best experiences of his life. I loved boot camp, he said. It was hard. I learned to push myself hard. I liked the training. I met cool guys who I got really close to really fast. In July 2003, when Brandon Hughey was 17 years old, he was looking for a way to pay for college when he started basic training. He also liked boot camp, but felt cut off from the world and from information about the war that he would soon be sent to fight in. When I got out of basic training, they had occupied the country for several months, Hughey said. They had found no links to al-Qaida. (Sadaam's) military was weak and his weapons were all but nonexistent. We were basically the aggressor attacking a country that practically couldn't protect itself. At Fort Hood, Hughey told his superiors he was having serious moral concerns about going to war. He asked for a discharge. They said there was no way they would be willing to cooperate with me, so I began to think that leaving the country was the only option, he said. It didn't take long for Hughey to get a weekend leave. As soon as he did, he headed north. And in March of last year, he crossed the border at Niagra Falls and traveled to Toronto, where he sought out immigration Attorney Jeffrey House. Through the Internet, word is traveling fast that House is the man to go to for U.S. soldiers thinking of defecting. I'm speaking to more and more and more U.S. soldiers, House said. I've spoken to three since noon today for example, and it's about 4 o'clock. House says more than 150 soldiers have contacted him about moving to Canada. He says he can talk to them, not only as an attorney, but as someone with experience. He resisted the Vietnam War and moved to Toronto in 1970. He says the similarities between then and now are striking. The most common thing I hear about the war in Iraq is that 'It's bogus,' House said. ...It's pretty similar to the reasons we were told then -- we had to give up our lives, so why should we have to? It's similar to how Hughey feels. I'm not going to give the ultimate sacrifice or shoot at somebody else or cause grief in their family for the rest if their lives for a cause my government can't even justify, he said. For me, personally, I couldn't deal with that. Felushka ultimately left his Southern California Marine troop for similar reasons. I wasn't prepared to be put in that situation by the government, having to participate in acts of violence against people without just cause, he said. They just flat out weren't able to convince me it was justified. Felushka says leaving was one of the most important decisions of his life. The only inalienable right that I have as a human being, regardless of your country of birth, is my right to choose between right and wrong, he said. It leaves me here with my conscience intact to deal with the rest of my life. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations
My name is Ross Oakley, and i'm about to commence a biodiesel dissertation in the area of Reno, Nevada. I'm looking to produce my own biodiesel once it warms up a bit and in the meantime am looking for a suitable vehicle to run biodiesel with. Im convinced that a Mercedes is the way to go. Does anyone know a specific year, type, model, or feature (turbo vs. not) (direct vs. indirect compression ignition engine) that would be the best choice for a reliable means of promoting biodiesel? thanks much and let the biodiesel revolution begin Ross ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Power for Moonshine City
jsh Original Message Follows From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin K [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Power for Moonshine City Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:20:04 -0800 (PST) Do you think solar power at Moonshine City could be economically beamed to Earth? POC On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, Martin K wrote: Party of Citizens wrote: Party of Citizens wrote: Since wind and water power are out, what would this list recommend for Moonshine City, post-2015? POC What is Moonshine City, and why are wind and water power out? The base/colony President Bush wants built on the Moon post-2015. Z Nucular, of course... Actually solar would be the best on the moon. -- Martin K http://wwia.org/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act?
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Is It Time For A Corporate Death Penalty Act? : Hello Doug : : I guess you win the prize! Only there isn't a prize, sorry about that. :-( : : Keith, Not a problem, story of my life :) I did win a holiday turkey from a local merchant once though. : I'm really glad you know that Doug. I was wondering if Peggy did. I : doubt it, or she'd have blind-eyed it or something, in her usual : inimitable style. I couldn't understand what she was on about - was : she saying Bhopal's claims against Dow are frivolous? :-/ I only mentioned frivolous in reference to the frivolous lawsuits filed routinely by corporations as a standard business practice, that rarely get pointed out. : : Time to put the real McDonald's hot coffee story in the archives, do : you think? I think so (below). That has to be up to you, as long it remains available elsewhere on the net why use your server space? Anyway sometimes many don't want to know the facts and readily dismiss them when they don't support their point of view. Doug, N0LKK : ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
43433 says: User report: STAY AWAY FROM THE BEADS..the pumps work well but you can find them cheaper elsewhere, same with the biopass filter...STAY AWAY FROM THE BEADS..!!! No details, therefore useless. 37536 says: The same thing, a quote from Adlai Meredith No details, therefore useless. Following the link here is follow-up post by Meredith: Here she states I by no means understand the whole chemical side of fuels or biodiesel (okay I barely passed chemistry). With that statement and references to use of hydrogenated oil I really question the way they were used. For all I can tell, they didn't drive off the water before using them and tried to use it to add double bonds to the oils. http://www.forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3243 UPDATE: In all fairness to the manufacturer, I will state that Bob Green has been extremely timely with his response to both our emails. Here is his latest response: Sounds like you picked the wrong type of oil to recycle. Sound like mcdonalds grease. some oils are so badly hydrogenated they never get clear. The best you can do is ad 50% diesel and get them thin enough to flow properly. Try getting some good used soy from a Chinese restaurant or a fish and chips place. Those types of oils are easier to work with than the hydrogenated stuff you have. Margarine starts out as a clear thin oil (corn oil) and THEN they Hydrogenate it until it gets thick and cloudy and presto you have margarine. Some restaurants only use hydrogenated oils and it best to stay away from those types of oils. If you have use this stuff you have you will have to use a 50/50 ratio of Diesel to oil. Do yourself a favor and try to find some other oil sources. The stuff you have is the worst type to work with!!! Regards Bob Green We will try some different oil when we get a chance. I guess my biggest gripe is that the ad states that the product does things that it obviously doesn't do such as: Decontaminates ALL types of vegetable oils up to 97% clean. Removes all types of water bonded molecules from oils and fats. Turns mucky and milky waste oil emulsions into clear (non-opaque) burnable fuels. and on and on for like 20 pages (I just printed it out) At the end of our experiment we had the oil (that was extremely diluted with regular diesel and warmed up in a hot water heater) that looked pretty clear go into the beads. What came out was totally opaque (the pumps were on the slowest setting).I by no means understand the whole chemical side of fuels or biodiesel (okay I barely passed chemistry) but I do know enough to say that in my opinion this product does not work in the manner that is advestised (and I think I was probably one whom the ad was targeted to; mechanically inclined but not so chemically aware?). Anyway, next time we change our oil in the truck we'll see how the beads handle the black oil and I will let you all know.unless anyone in in the market for some slightly used Acusorb Beads??? :) (I also have a bridge for sale) :) Until then feel free to spam away :) Meredith So unless I missed something (if I did please provide the link) there is no evidence that the beads work or don't work in any capacity. I agree that the site is overstated, but I see no evidence that the claims are completely unfounded. Andy P.S. Does anyone have Meredith's email address? If I could ask a few questions on what was done, perhaps I could determine what happened. On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:00:27 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Andy, Paul Please read this previous message: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/43433/ ... and follow the link there: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37536/ What it tells you about the website itself should give you some indication of what they're trying to sell, quite apart from all the sneers at stupid people trying to make that awful stuff known as biodiesel. Naah. It's a no-no, and so are they. Best wishes Keith Paul, If it is as the web site selling them tells it is the key part of the statement. I can't seem to get any good information on them. Most of the information I have is anecdotal at best. If I would beleive any of the works/doesn't work stories - I would also have to beleive that meths and lye don't work to make BioD simply because someone couldn't do it. I would also have to believe that there is no safe way to run WVO in an mercedes 80's diesel and you can dump WVO into any diesel and it will work fine at the same time. I have read anecdotal stories on all of these, but very little facts to go along with them. Andy On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:11:57 -0500, Arbuckle, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some questions about the Acusorb beads. what kind of product do they make. If it is as the web site selling them tells it why use chemicals and other
Re: [Biofuel] very dark biodiesel
I Agree.This thread has been the most interesting to me as a newby. Also of the threads it seems to be the most constructive and potentially fruitfull presumeably even to the single most experienced people. Well, maybe... Only it's probably happened a hundred times before, or so. Still, the archives is very accommodating, it doesn't complain, and the more often it's there the easier it should be for newbies to find it all. Of course you DO have to look in the first place. Which was why I pointed you to the List resources after your first post - see: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050131/005327.html [Biofuel] wvo won't react Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner - Original Message - Keith Addison Anibal A lot of people have responded to your questions and given you a lot of help and advice, but you do not respond to them, nor even acknowledge it other than a generalised thanks (for exactly what nobody knows except you). Please respond to the replies your questions get on the list - response and feedback is required, especially if you want to go on getting help. If it appears that you simply take no notice of people, they won't respond to you anymore. That's not how a discussion works when you're talking with your friends, why would you think it works that way here? Hi Friend, I Agree.This thread has been the most interesting to me as a newby. Also of the threads it seems to be the most constructive and potentially fruitfull presumeably even to the single most experienced people. I have been helped by other people like lagal eagle and fox moulder be it simply because they've resonded or taken a rudimentary interest in what I've posted and I would like to thank them. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] The Axis of Oil
The Axis of Oil -- In These Times January 31, 2005 The Axis of Oil By Jehangir Pocha China and India are locked in an increasingly aggressive wrangle with the United States over the world's most critical economic commodity: oil. More than any other issue, this tussle will shape the economic, environmental and geopolitical future of these three countries, and the world. Ensuring a steady flow of cheap oil has always been one of the central goals of U.S. foreign and economic policy, and Washington's preeminent position in the world is based in large measure on its ability to do this. But China and India are increasingly competing with the United States to secure oil exploration rights in Africa, Southeast Asia, Central Asia and Latin America. India has invested more than $3 billion in global exploration ventures and has said it will continue to spend $1 billion a year on more acquisitions. China, which has already invested about $15 billion in foreign oil fields, is expected to spend 10 times more over the next decade. The motive, says Zheng Hongfei, an energy researcher at the Beijing Institute of Technology, is that there is just not enough oil in the world to cover China's and India's growing energy needs. By 2010 India will have 36 times more cars than it did in 1990. China will have 90 times more, and by 2030 it will have more cars than the United States, according to the Energy Research Institute of Beijing. More than 4.5 million new vehicles are expected to hit Chinese roads this year alone, a far cry from the time when families saved for months to buy a Flying Pigeon bicycle. The country is now the world's largest oil importer after the United States, guzzling about 6.5 million barrels of oil a day; this figure will double by 2020, says Stephen Roach, chief economist at Morgan Stanley. India, the world's second-fastest growing economy after China, now consumes about 2.2 million barrels a day-about the same as South Korea-and this is expected to rise to 5.3 million barrels a day by 2025, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. With global oil production barely 1 million barrels over the global consumption rate of 81 million barrels a day, the surge in demand from China and India could eventually lead global demand to outstrip supply, causing fuel prices to shoot up beyond their recent highs of around $56 a barrel, says Roach. The impact of this on the global economy, particularly in developing countries that import most of their fuel, would be severe. The International Energy Agency says that for every $1 increase in oil price, the global economy loses $25 billion. Anxiety over this is already throwing the nervous oil market into further disequilibrium. In September, Michael Rothman, a senior energy analyst at Merrill Lynch, said rising oil prices were not so much a result of the Iraq war or political instability in Venezuela and Sudan, but of extensive hoarding by China. According to Rothman's analysis, China and India are roiling oil markets by creating oil reserves, which are designed to provide the minimum cache the country needs to ride out a crisis, along the lines of the United States' Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR). With both countries flush with foreign exchange reserves that are threatening to infect their economies with inflation, creating an oil stock seems a sensible solution. But critics say Beijing's and New Delhi's timing is unfortunate, coming just as the global economy seemed to be recovering and the United States was questioning the value of its own reserve. At 175 million barrels and 25 million barrels respectively, China's and India's estimated oil reserves are just a small fraction of the 700 million barrels held by the United States in its SPR. China and India, which are both nuclear states, are also taking advantage of the United States' strained ties with Iran, Vietnam and Myanmar by extending these countries military and political support in exchange for energy supplies. And a Washington preoccupied with Iraq, the war on terror and nuclear crises in Iran and North Korea has been unable to checkmate either country as successfully as it did earlier. For example, U.S. nervousness over China's intentions in Latin America had led it to use its leverage with Panama to impede China's access to the all-important canal connecting the Pacific and Atlantic. But in December, Beijing signed a landmark deal with Venezuela and its neighbor Colombia, under whose terms a pipeline would be constructed linking Venezuelan oil fields to ports along Colombia's Pacific coastline. This will allow Venezuelan oil to bypass the Panama Canal and create a new and direct route to China. There are also signs that China is warming to the idea of a Russia-China-India axis, which, in cooperation with Iran, would turn the oil-rich Central Asian region into their domain. This proposal would put
Re: [Biofuel] My first batches
On 2005-02-04 16.30, Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Luk, thanks a lot, but I'm not getting anywhare I have recently processed 4 separate 1 litre batches in my kitchen using 2 different off the shelf brands of fresh rape oil. I dissolved 3,5 grams of 100% NaOH in 2 dl methanol (racing fuel) shaking the mix and then leaving over night and at the time of introducing the methoxide into the oil I could see no undissolved particles. I measured the NaOH on a 1g kitchen digital scale measuring the grains in 4 different heaps on some aluminium foil (zeroing the scale to compensate) Do you have a way of checking the accuracy of the scale? Weigh something of precisely known weight? Freshly minted coins can be useful for this, check with a bank. so that when the scale went from 3 to 4 grams I could half the last little pile to get app 3,5 g. The methanol was measured in a graded beaker. The oil was heated to 54¡c and the methoxide added at that temperature in a blender which did the mixing for 15 minutes, temperature was not maintained in the blender. The mixture was then decanted into a glass jar to settle. After about 1/2 hour 2 distinct layers formed - however it took one week before the top layer became clear. Should it really take this long to clear? You don't have to wait until the top layer is competely clear before washing. It will still have suspended particles in it anyway. All in all I was quite pleased with the result until I washed some of the first sample which has been settling for more than a month now. I took 3 dl clear oil and mixed it in a jar with 1 dl tap water a bit colder than room temperature, I am guessing at around 15¡c. I just shook the jar for maybe 2 minutes. When you wash tested the sample you didn't use enough water. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality Um, that wasn't so much a wash test as a wash. Try it a bit warmer Go, both the water and the biodiesel. Room temperature is usually considered to be about 22 deg C/72 deg F - try that or more. My updialed connection is there a lot - costs me a fortune - tell you what - Kieth for president! Aarghhh!!! I thought we were friends! What did I ever do to you for you to seek such a terrible vengeance? Have you no mercy in your heart of stone? LOL! Um... come to think of it, president of what? But I have done it all right I thought. Allright - good one, no harm done then? No, no harm done. Keep going, you're doing just fine. Do a few more tests, you'll get better at it, more deft, more accurate, you'll get a feel for it, and soon your test batches will pass all quality tests without difficulty - and don't worry too much about the feller with the PET bottle! I think you'll be overtaking him quite soon. The whole sample turned white and not much happened after I placed it to settle in room temperature at app 18¡c. The next morning there were 3 layers. Clear water at the bottom with a frothy white layer floating on the water. This froth has uneven surfaces top and bottom and it seems sticky as 'entrails' of it extend down into the clear water layer on the sides of the jar. Is it possible that some glycerine got mixed in with the processed BD? Oh no, I just scooped out a small sample with a soup spoon, I did not disturb the darker glycerine level. Hm. I think better measuring equipment is recommended Go. That could have caused the soap on top, or the improper amount of water aded. No. Dear Luk the white stuff was not on top, the white stuff is under the oil on top of the clear water - how can water quantity be critical? It's not, very. Thanks for your help. Luc Above these two layers the oil seem to be settling out but is is still opaque a week later. I plan to decant the oil and wash that again, maybe a couple of times. Before proceeding I am hoping with this description for a response from someone on the list with experience to tell me if I have gone wrong or if this is normal, also what this white frothy stuff is. I thought soap but I was under the impression that soap floats on oil.. A bit of emulsion. Well, I am trying to start at the beginning and learn my way properly, this I am doing at the same time as a e-mail friend up country. He has gone straight into wvo litre batches, he doesn't use a blender just shakes his mixture in a PET bottle, albeit for 45 minutes, at room temperature and he gets 2 distinct layers after 1/2 hour and he can wash this getting 2 layers again, water and oil - it's not fair :-( How does he wash it? Maybe he doesn't shake it for 2 minutes like you did. Even if he does, don't let it worry you, just keep going. regards Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at
Re: [Biofuel] OOPS (typo) -- sorry Kieth
old. Freudian slip? :-) Only. I see. :-) You're to be forgiven Mike, what's a trifling 300 years or so between friends? Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Kieth, There's a lot of stuff you threw out there. To address it all would take a heck of a lot of time -- suffice to say that I agree with most of it. Switzerland: If part of it's government was based on the US constitution, you wouldn't know it. It gained it's Independence over 700 years ago and I think they had it pretty much nailed down before Jefferson put pen to paper. I visited my grandmother two weeks ago as I've done almost every year since I was an infant. Her 700+ year old house is a testament to their cautious attitude toward progress (I'm alluding to housing development). You are right about voting. Before my Aunt could build her new house, it had to be approved by those in her neighborhood. She, in fact, had to build a stick frame of the house to show its size and shape and offer a visual aid for all who would approve it (or not). Presidents: They have seven of them, representing all of the regions of the confederation. Since Switzerland has four national languages, They are usually fluent in two or three of them (German French Italian and Rhetto-Romanish). This makes me wonder about the whole one nation, one language thing. Seven presidents - no wonder I didn't know his name! LOL! That's extremely civilised, having seven presidents. One nation, one language - another myth? Even if they all call it English, language use is so local, in spite of television. Do New Yorkers speak the same language as Texans and San Franciscans? And it hasn't been all English for some time, has it? South Africa has 11 official languages, officially anyway, though I don't think they've succeeded in implementing that. How much of the EU's budget goes to translation services? Some huge amount - but imagine the outcry if they tried to unify it under any one language! Quite right too. Europeans are really to be envied their language skills - more than a skill, it brings a much easier understanding of other cultures and cultural differences. Which is THE big problem with arrogant and hegemonic English, the world language (apart from the fact that it eats other languages). I don't want to go on too long -- especially since I think you already did a great job covering much of this. I just wanted to offer some perspective as a witness to quite another interpretation of democracy. I sometimes see my relatives and the country they live in with envy. This is a country that hasn't experienced war within its borders since the crossbow was the weapon of choice. They have a well organized, cohesive government where you don't have to own a car and you would be hard-pressed to find a hungry child -- all of this while the language (and sometimes culture) can change within a thirty minute walk. Thankyou Mike, interesting comparisons indeed. I've been to Switzerland a few times, but never for very long - two weeks was the longest, a week up in the mountains and a week at a conference in Basle. Each time I was there I wanted to stay longer, see more, learn more. Another time perhaps. Regards Keith Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, Hakan and all Hakan, Thank you for spending the time to point toward better examples of democracies than the US. As a dual citizen, I think that Switzerland is an especially good choice. Are you really? That must make for some interesting comparisons. I posted this before, but I think I'll post it again, seems pertinent right now. What difference does one person one vote make when non-person corporations that are inimical to democracy and the public interest can buy off the entire political apparatus? It's just a meaningless formula now, it obscures the reality as much as reveals it. How many of those increasingly meaningless votes even get cast? - or how few rather? You think that's what democracy means? You have to abandon these formulas and look at what really happens in people's lives. How about a rich country that didn't allow its women to vote until 13 years ago? Probably some backward oil sheikhdom in the Gulf or something, eh? Switzerland, actually. I think it's the oldest democracy in the world, going back to the 13th century, and much admired, though certainly not without its flaws. Everywhere you look you find exceptions to these simplistic formulas, both better and worse. I don't want to interpret what Hakan said, but I believe he was talking about realities, not just empty forms. Switzerland, by the way, modelled its current federal constitution on the US, in 1848. Government there is a very local business, strictly bottom-up, the federal government is tiny and hardly seems to matter. There's no clear division between the governing party and the opposition. The Swiss don't just vote once in four years, they seem to be voting most of
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
At 01:32 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: snip Who wouldn't find liberty, equality, justice and freedom of religion concepts worthy of utmost respect? These are supposed to be the undergirding principles upon which our nation was founded, and it may be difficult for foreigners to grasp how profoundly these ideas are impressed upon us from a very young age. We are taught to believe that America stands for these principles, and to define ourselves as Americans with these ideals. I learned the extent of my conditioning when I moved to Canada, discovering that people up here often define themselves in terms of what is NOT American, rather than what IS Canadian. (Luc and Ed, does this ring true?) snip Greetings, Yes the concepts of liberty, equality, justice and freedom of religion are worthy of respect. It is sad so few have any for them. Freedom of religion??? I have met extremely few Americans that actually believe that, and most of them I have met are on this list. To most Americans, freedom of religion means that it is okay to be a Quaker or Mormon. Jehovah's Witness is dicey, forget being Pagan. There are court battles going on right now, over the custody of children, the issue: Mom is a Witch, therefore it is the duty of the court to remove the children to a family member that is Christian. And yes, if you really want me to I can give specifics. While I am not Luc or Ed, I did spend my first 35 years in Canada. Canada has its own conditioning, as I suspect each county does. And yes, much of Canada's conditioning is anti American. This point is brought home to us very strongly every time we visit Canada, especially when the subject of citizenship comes up. The fact that we are willing to give up being Canadian to have the right to vote where we live is not understood. If the world had the tolerance and ability to communicate that I find on this list, I think we would have a much more peaceful world. To those who do not think that peace is possible, I hold up this list as an example of what is possible. That's great Kim! Don't forget to take the credit, eh? You're very much a part of that, as is Robert, and indeed the whole list community. Thankyou, and Bright Blessings, to you too. Keith Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Keith Addison wrote: Are you sure this is what they advocate violence over? Some of them (VERY close friends of the US) do so as a penalty in their own countries, but that's not what you're talking of. Bin Laden has been very clear about this, so have many others. I don't believe they're motivated by what Westerners do in the West. Primarily they wanted US troops out of Saudi Arabia, and they objected to US support for Israel. Our foreign policy feeds from the well of our culture. I have a couple of Arabic friends (a Palestinian and a Lebanese) who complain that decadence in our society, especially consumerism and the weird depravity of fundamentalist Christianity, drives the exporting of violence overseas and perpetuates misery among oppressed people. Hm, that's a little different. This is what Peter said: ... but I think they hate the entirety of the western culture. Sex before marriage, divorce, adultery, navel rings (and more extreme forms of body piercing), tatoos, Madonna, Brittany, gay marriages, Baywatch, the Fashion Channel, pornography, discos, atheism (or any God other than Alah). And your reply: Indeed! The difference between the moderate western perspective on this and that of any fundamentalist (I really hate that word!) is one of what to DO about the perceived immorality. I don't believe that convincing someone to be moral at the barrel of a gun is an effective method of changing behavior. Islamists who advocate violence are on no higher moral ground than the culture they so fervently despise. What you've said now is that rather than their wanting to change/destroy the West, they see these things as part of the drive that visits evils upon their own countries, which sounds more like it's the effects of it that they suffer themselves that they hate, rather than just hating the West because of Westerners' domestic behaviour: I don't believe they're motivated by what Westerners do in the West. Admittedly, this idea derives from a small sampling, and perhaps I should be careful not to broadly characterize a region on the basis of such limited contact. However, these are intelligent men whom I have come to trust and I've formed the basis of my view in light of their counsel. If I am in error in thinking this way, please enlighten me. No, I wouldn't disagree with that. Again, it's foreign policy, not domestic cultural issues. This smacks rather too strongly of the They hate us for our freedoms nonsense. I concede the point, Keith. I should have thought of that more carefully. The finest hour I have ever witnessed in my life as an American occurred shortly after the 11 September atrocities. I know that I've written this before, but the sight of a Virginia State Trooper parked outside a mosque to protect its worshippers underscores the value of plurality in American society. The same courtesy would not likely be extended to a Christian church in Algeria, Libya, Syria and many other countries. Are you quite sure about that Robert? No. What are you saying, that they're all fundamentalists, that their governments and authorities are fundamentalist? No, that isn't what I was trying to communicate. Tolerance for the diversity of religious practice in my country, at least at an official level, is quite high. It's supposed to be, but I think there's another side to it. Is this true in Libya? Can the same be said in Algeria? I've never been to these places and perhaps my cultural bias is showing. If you have evidence to the contrary, even if it's anecdotal, I would appreciate hearing of it. I think you can't paint them with such a broad brush, or you're making the same mistake as those who accuse us here of hating America(ns) and so on if we criticise Washington. And that finest hour in the US hasn't had a very wonderful follow-up, has it? Ask Cat Stevens, for one of far too many instances. Again, no. We've really burned up our credibility with the rest of the world, haven't we? What disturbs me about that is the grim fact that so many of my fellow citizens don't really care. Yes. I think you and I have reached this point before, haven't we? But on the other hand, so many of them DO care. (Did I say that before at this stage too?) That is God's problem, not yours, not mine, and certainly not theirs! We will go as it has been written about us, without the assistance of radical Islamists. That might ring a little more true if you'd added: ... or Christian fundamentalists. I'm not writing clearly, else you would understand. We Americans will be the cause of our eventual demise. Our fiery end will not be instigated by radical Islamists; the responsibility will be lain squarely at our own feet. And the effects, rippling worldwide as they do now? Decadence is part of our problem, and the iron fisted backlash of the NeoCons and their ilk are merely the another face
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
snip - perhaps arrogance? Pride has it's place, it's not necessarily negative: pride in a good job well done, for instance. It can be little different to self-respect. But wouldn't the pride that comes before a fall be more arrogance than pride? After all, you can say, Have you no pride? or you can say, Have you no shame? and it means exactly the same thing. Not so with arrogance, though: arrogance carries the silent prefix empty - it always protests too loudly, it's nothing more than insecurity, and in so much it's probably well-founded. The Greeks used the word hubris in describing the condition to which I refer. English is not my first language, and sometimes the nuance of expression eludes me. You do very well indeed! Hubris will do nicely - hubris and nemisis closely echoes pride going before a fall. As for nuances, that's probably just me being pedantic about it, perhaps a dictionary might not agree. But I think it's a useful distinction, a clarification. snip We saw something of that here before the last election or-whatever-you-want-to-call-it when several foreigners (!?) complained, sort of, about not having a vote in the world's greatest democratic election when the outcome would probably affect them as much as it would an American voter, or something like that (with some hilariously out of synch American responses). That was a difficult thread for me to read. But you persevered instead of lashing out, as many would do. I felt like I was standing with one foot on each side of a widening chasm. Maybe we all felt like that, in one way or another, and that's why they were complaining, though it wasn't quite complaining. I've often felt it, not just mild, semi-teasing complaints like these were but outright fury ... some benighted fool from the world's greatest democracy who might know where Texas is but would ask me where I'm from (obviously not Texas) and I'd say Cape Town - Where's that? - South Africa - Oh, Africa - would get to vote in a government that would do the most terrible things in Africa, of which he'd remain cosily oblivious, and no African ever got a say in it. Is that why you said this? You often contrast America, the government, from America, its people. I simply cannot see the distinction, though I remain firmly opposed to our policies and the misery they spread across the globe. Hakan is disconcertingly right about this. Well, that guy does exist, no doubt about that (sorry, I'm not picking on Texas, any state would do), and he and his would seem to have it going all their own way right now (but I don't believe it, though they sure are making the most noise). It's not just me who makes that distinction, I think most of the world does, and I think it's real. I simply cannot see the distinction, though I remain firmly opposed to our policies and the misery they spread across the globe. That IS the distinction, isn't it? Washington's creed too often is that of the schoolyard bully - might is right, and the bully can make it stick because he's able to hurt anyone who disagrees. Do most Americans really think like that? Perhaps disregard international relations for the moment - do they tend to treat each other that way by and large, in their neighbourhoods and communities? Isn't this more like what the colorful rag invokes in you? Right is might, and the most effective use of power is to refrain from its use. Isn't that more truly American than the schoolyard bully? Regards Keith robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Matters of Scale: Coal Facts
Matters of Scale: January/ February 2004 Coal Facts Number of late-model cars it takes to generate 10,000 tons of nitrogen oxide (NOx), the principal constituent of lung-inflaming smog, in one year 500,000 Number of average-sized coal-burning power plants it takes to generate the same amount of NOx 1 Number of coal-burning electric power plants it took to release 17.5 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2), the principal global-warming gas, in the town of Monroe, Michigan in 1 year 1 Number of trees you'd have to cut down or burn to add that amount of CO2 to the atmosphere 761,000,000 Approximate number of Americans who had died in the aftermath of the Iraq War, with these deaths becoming a major national political issue, as of late 2003 300 Number likely to die each year, according to widely accepted statistical models, as a result of diseases caused by the Monroe, Michigan coal-burning plant-the plant where George Bush chose to give a speech touting his new energy policy giving high priority to building new coal-burning power plants 300 Population of Cheshire, Ohio, in 2000 2,500 Population of Cheshire in 2003, after a protracted dispute between the citizens and the American Electric Power Co. (AEP) over pollution from the company's coal-burning plant, which resulted in the company's decision to just buy the town rather than try to stop the pollution 12 Number of miners killed in coal mine accidents for every 29 million tons of coal produced in the United States (where more than 51,000 people have died in coal mining accidents in Pennsylvania alone) 1 Number killed in coal-mining accidents in the Ukraine for every 29 million tons produced 203 Tons of sulfur dioxide (SO2), the principal cause of acid rain, emitted per year by a typical 1,000 Mwe thermal gas or oil power plant 44 Tons of SO2 emitted per year by a coal-burning power plant of equal capacity 30,000 Sources: Auto emissions and coal burning: Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS); trees and coal burning: UCS and Elizabeth Kolbert, The New Yorker; deaths caused by the Monroe plant emissions: Kolbert; exodus from Cheshire: Robert E. Pierre, The Washington Post; mining deaths: Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection, and Occupational Health Institute of the Ukraine; SO2 emissions: Eric Goldin, Southern California Edison. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Oil Price Surge Threatens Economic Stability and National Security
Worldwatch Institute: Global Security: Worldwatch Global Security Brief #1 Global Security: Worldwatch Global Security Briefs Global Security Brief #1: Oil Price Surge Threatens Economic Stability and National Security By Christopher Flavin Washington, DC-One of the central issues facing policy makers in Washington and around the globe in 2005 is the prospect of further instability in world oil markets. This new reality carries both economic and security risks. Another oil shock could tip the world economy into a premature recession, while the massive flow of oil revenues into the Persian Gulf and Russia threatens to derail economic reforms and foment political unrest. The dramatic rise in oil prices from $24 per barrel in 2002 to between $40 and $55 in late 2004 stems in part from a sharp increase in consumption in China and the United States. But it also reflects the fact that for the first time in more than two decades, there is virtually no spare oil production capacity left-with far-reaching implications for national security, economic stability, and all of our pocketbooks. Although oil prices have fallen over the past month, this is likely to prove a brief respite from the oil escalator we're now riding. Already, oil production is falling in 33 of the world's 48 largest oil producing countries, including 6 of the 11 members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). Among the countries where oil production is declining are Great Britain and Indonesia. In the continental United States, oil production peaked at 8 million barrels per day in 1970, and has fallen to just 2.9 million barrels per day in 2004. In this year of soaring prices, only Russia and the Persian Gulf countries have been able to increase production significantly-and they are now pressing against their current limits. The urgent question is whether the recent difficulty in boosting oil production represents a temporary challenge or something more basic. Many government agencies still believe that there is plenty of oil left, and that higher prices will open the floodgates. They argue that there is enough for world oil production to keep rising for the indefinite future-reaching 115 million barrels per day by 2020, or more than 40 percent above the current level according to the International Energy Agency. However, a growing number of geologists question whether remaining oil reserves are sufficient to keep production going up much longer. For the past three decades, they argue, oil companies have not been finding as much oil as they have been extracting-a gap that has widened in the past ten years. Royal Dutch Shell's repeated downgrades of its estimated reserves over the last year have raised further alarms, as have figures showing that even the limited exploration that is being done is no longer very productive. These developments suggest that the stable oil prices of the past two decades may soon be a distant memory. PFC Energy, a Washington-based oil forecasting group, has carefully analyzed global reserve figures, and concluded last month that world oil production might be unable to meet projected demand as early as the middle of the next decade. PFC and a growing number of other forecasters now project that world oil production will peak in the next 10-15 years. Some believe it could happen even sooner. In the past, it was assumed that if oil supplies got tight, Persian Gulf countries would quickly and easily provide whatever oil the world needs. But today, the ability of countries like Saudi Arabia and Iraq to raise production substantially is in doubt. Some of the largest oil fields in the Persian Gulf are aging rapidly, according to experts, and no independent verification of their claimed oil reserves has been permitted for decades. The oil industry is hitting the wall at a bad time for the world economy. Demand is surging in developing countries-particularly in China and India-adding to the market pressures generated by the huge fleet of gas-guzzling SUVs already on U.S. roads. China in particular has been building factories, houses, roads, and virtually everything else at a furious pace, scouring the world for resources. China's oil consumption went from less than 5 million barrels per day in 2002 to 6.2 million barrels per day in 2004, a 24 percent increase. Two decades from now, China could be importing as much as 10 million barrels of oil per day-as much as the U.S. now imports or Saudi Arabia now produces. It is time for political leaders to recognize-as former U.S. President Bill Clinton did last week when he called for efforts to reduce U.S. reliance on unstable Middle Eastern sources of oil-that an oil-hungry world is on a collision course with an overstrained resource base-laying the stage for a period of instability in energy markets. Among the potential impacts: ? Economic growth will slow and inflation will
Re: [Biofuel] thanks all
That's one heep of a jump from test batches to 100 gals. You sure you don't want to try something in the order of 20-30 liters first ? Only a suggestion mind you. All the best, keep your lye dry :-) Luc - Original Message - From: Vincent zadworny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biomailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] thanks all hello all, i would like to thank every one who responded to me postings. washing of the small test batches are going good and am quite confident with the processes. this weekend i am setting up my BIG system consisting of a 100 US gallon reaction tank. i have 2 of these tanks and will be (hopefully) expanding to include both of the tanks. I will then be producing about 75 US gallons a day(again Hopefully) wish me luck Vincent Zadworny Vancouver Canada - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
do better than that (well, the Macintosh version can anyway - not that I ever use it). 43433 says: User report: STAY AWAY FROM THE BEADS..the pumps work well but you can find them cheaper elsewhere, same with the biopass filter...STAY AWAY FROM THE BEADS..!!! No details, therefore useless. 37536 says: Okay Let me spell it out for you then. A mere three lines down, 37536 says this - they're links, click on them. http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/14806/ Accusorb beads http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/26341/ Back yard Bio-Diesel chemists are playing with a toxic time bomb Once you've done that and read what will thus be revealed, then maybe you'll see why I said this: What it tells you about the website itself should give you some indication of what they're trying to sell, quite apart from all the sneers at stupid people trying to make that awful stuff known as biodiesel. Naah. It's a no-no, and so are they. Useless? If you say so. Up to you of course, play with beads and mirrors if you like. Keith The same thing, a quote from Adlai Meredith No details, therefore useless. Following the link here is follow-up post by Meredith: Here she states I by no means understand the whole chemical side of fuels or biodiesel (okay I barely passed chemistry). With that statement and references to use of hydrogenated oil I really question the way they were used. For all I can tell, they didn't drive off the water before using them and tried to use it to add double bonds to the oils. http://www.forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3243 UPDATE: In all fairness to the manufacturer, I will state that Bob Green has been extremely timely with his response to both our emails. Here is his latest response: Sounds like you picked the wrong type of oil to recycle. Sound like mcdonalds grease. some oils are so badly hydrogenated they never get clear. The best you can do is ad 50% diesel and get them thin enough to flow properly. Try getting some good used soy from a Chinese restaurant or a fish and chips place. Those types of oils are easier to work with than the hydrogenated stuff you have. Margarine starts out as a clear thin oil (corn oil) and THEN they Hydrogenate it until it gets thick and cloudy and presto you have margarine. Some restaurants only use hydrogenated oils and it best to stay away from those types of oils. If you have use this stuff you have you will have to use a 50/50 ratio of Diesel to oil. Do yourself a favor and try to find some other oil sources. The stuff you have is the worst type to work with!!! Regards Bob Green We will try some different oil when we get a chance. I guess my biggest gripe is that the ad states that the product does things that it obviously doesn't do such as: Decontaminates ALL types of vegetable oils up to 97% clean. Removes all types of water bonded molecules from oils and fats. Turns mucky and milky waste oil emulsions into clear (non-opaque) burnable fuels. and on and on for like 20 pages (I just printed it out) At the end of our experiment we had the oil (that was extremely diluted with regular diesel and warmed up in a hot water heater) that looked pretty clear go into the beads. What came out was totally opaque (the pumps were on the slowest setting).I by no means understand the whole chemical side of fuels or biodiesel (okay I barely passed chemistry) but I do know enough to say that in my opinion this product does not work in the manner that is advestised (and I think I was probably one whom the ad was targeted to; mechanically inclined but not so chemically aware?). Anyway, next time we change our oil in the truck we'll see how the beads handle the black oil and I will let you all know.unless anyone in in the market for some slightly used Acusorb Beads??? :) (I also have a bridge for sale) :) Until then feel free to spam away :) Meredith So unless I missed something (if I did please provide the link) there is no evidence that the beads work or don't work in any capacity. I agree that the site is overstated, but I see no evidence that the claims are completely unfounded. Andy P.S. Does anyone have Meredith's email address? If I could ask a few questions on what was done, perhaps I could determine what happened. On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:00:27 +0900, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Andy, Paul Please read this previous message: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/43433/ ... and follow the link there: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/37536/ What it tells you about the website itself should give you some indication of what they're trying to sell, quite apart from all the sneers at stupid people trying to make that awful stuff known as biodiesel. Naah. It's a no-no, and so are they. Best wishes Keith Paul, If it is as the web site selling them tells it is the key
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery
on 2/4/05 5:41 AM, Legal Eagle at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day; I have just completed a simple condenser for methanol recovery, however I am still left with a question. Do I need to bring the glycerine to a rolling boil or just bring up the heat sufficiently to get the methanol to evaporate (148.5F/65C) not necessarily boiling ? That depends on the exact shape of the boiling pot/chamber and still head, but my concentrating solar still used to start getting methanol in the condenser coil ONLY when the glycerine was simmering. The question is -- how rapidly does vapor have to be produced to overcome the rate that it condenses before reaching the downhill side of your setup. -K I can remember people mentioning other equipment besides stills for the removal of the methanol, words I can remember include thin film, evaporators, vacumn etc etc. Can anyone provide a few buzz words, or links, that I should look for if I want to do a slightly larger BioD unit, 20 Kl/week, and do methanol recovery. Any thoughts greatly appreciated, Andrew Lowe ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations
- Original Message - From: Ross Oakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations to the biodiesel enthusiasts: My name is Ross Oakley, and i'm about to commence a biodiesel dissertation in the area of Reno, Nevada. I'm looking to produce my own biodiesel once it warms up a bit and in the meantime am looking for a suitable vehicle to run biodiesel with. Im convinced that a Mercedes is the way to go. Me too :-) 1983 240D 4 cylender 4 speed manual. Slow like a poker face but I just love it. And it *loves* B100 homebrew. Does anyone know a specific year, type, model, or feature (turbo vs. not) (direct vs. indirect compression ignition engine) that would be the best choice for a reliable means of promoting biodiesel? There aren't really any best years for the promotion end, however for economy look around for either a 240D (non-turbo) or a 300D (5 cylender turbo)in the early to late 1980's. There are still some good ones out there. The way I see it a $2,000 car in the Benz class, even if you put another $3-4,000 into it you will still be way ahead of the game. These cars were built to last and they do. Mine has 462,000Km original on the clock and the motor has never been opened except for valve adjustments, which you must do regularly to one of these diesels. And once (if) the car is done then pull the engine and turn it into one dynomite genset, part the rest of it to others looking for *used* (we never use the word old,ha!) parts. Luc thanks much and let the biodiesel revolution begin Ross ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] very dark biodiesel
- Original Message - Keith Addison Anibal A lot of people have responded to your questions and given you a lot of help and advice, but you do not respond to them, nor even acknowledge it other than a generalised thanks (for exactly what nobody knows except you). Please respond to the replies your questions get on the list - response and feedback is required, especially if you want to go on getting help. If it appears that you simply take no notice of people, they won't respond to you anymore. That's not how a discussion works when you're talking with your friends, why would you think it works that way here? Hi Friend, I Agree.This thread has been the most interesting to me as a newby. Also of the threads it seems to be the most constructive and potentially fruitfull presumeably even to the single most experienced people. I have been helped by other people like lagal eagle and fox moulder be it simply because they've resonded or taken a rudimentary interest in what I've posted and I would like to thank them. JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
